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Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) speaks to reporters during the 14th day of the partial government shut down in Washington on October 14, 2013. U.S. senators said they were closing in on a deal Monday that would reopen the government and push back a possible
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)
Though emergency unemployment aid made it through a first procedural vote in the Senate on Tuesday, it faces a tough road with a lot of uncertainty and fear for the 1.3 million and counting people who've lost benefits. Five out of the six Republican senators who voted yes on Tuesday have said they won't keep voting yes on the bill, which faces another 60-vote threshold, unless measures to pay for it are included (which, given who we're talking about, means cuts to other programs). And obviously John Boehner's House is unlikely to take up a clean bill unless it faces an immense amount of political pain for not doing so.

Even for just a three-month bill that buys time to work out a deal on a longer extension, Republicans are insisting on offsetting cuts. The question is how Democrats will face down these demands on such a high-priority bill:

Obama called at least three key Republicans — Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Mark Kirk (Ill.) and Rob Portman (Ohio) — in the run-up to the vote, signaling that he is willing to discuss other spending cuts.

“When he called, the president did not eliminate the possibility of paying for an extension, but he did not get into how exactly he would do that,” Collins said Tuesday.

White House advisers said that Obama is willing to discuss spending offsets only for a ­longer-term extension of unemployment benefits, not the three-month bill under consideration.

And as always, Democrats should be pushing not just for less harmful cuts but for additional revenue if they're going to concede the Republican myth that governments shouldn't do deficit spending to boost the economy. Cannibalizing one important government service to fund another is not a long-term route to recovery. But, as we know, Republicans aren't actually interested in recovery. They're interested in repealing Obamacare, building the Keystone pipeline, and hurting unemployed or poor people. And if some Republicans aren't interested in the last item on that list, now would be a great time to show it with one simple vote.

Sign and send a petition your Republican senator or senators, demanding that they restore benefits to the Emergency Unemployment Compensation program.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 07:11 AM PST.

Also republished by BellowsforSenate and Daily Kos.

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Comment Preferences

  •  An eminently reasonable demand (27+ / 0-)

    May I suggest we facilitate this with cuts to said Congressperson's salary and across-the-board cuts to all federal expenditures in his or her district/state?  The Congressperson can name the percent that suits his or her thirst for fiscal responsibility.

  •  thanks (8+ / 0-)

    for pushing Democrats on this.

    It is hard to get turnout in the midterms.  We should do all we can to generate it

    Another shining sphere flies from Feior's hands, and you are frozen where you stand

    by GideonAB on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 07:20:39 AM PST

  •  I would rather see a cut than the unemployed (2+ / 0-)
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    Wildfaery, rhonan

    become homeless and without hope. I know it is unfair but we have real people that are already suffering.

    •  Depends on who's.... (5+ / 0-)

      ..ox is getting gored now doesn't it.  How about we cut your salary first?

      We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

      by delver rootnose on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:18:28 AM PST

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      •  Amen! (0+ / 0-)

        Typical concern troll caveat/misdirection:  "I know it is unfair..."  Yeah, well, then let's take the cash out of your hide.  You'd scream like a stuck pig.

        “When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.” —Abraham Lincoln

        by Pragmatus on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:40:19 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  They gore the ox to save the sacred cow. nt (0+ / 0-)

        "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

        by Lily O Lady on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:09:05 AM PST

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      •  delver says (1+ / 0-)
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        Wildfaery
        How about we cut your salary first
        Since the House GOP have a 90 day working schedule for the whole of 2014 , lets start with all top GOP staffers getting half their pay cut  , they should be able to get part time janitor jobs around DC , right ?

        Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

        by Patango on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:32:18 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  I know what ya mean lina (1+ / 0-)
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      librarisingnsf

      But I feel like an exasperated parent, with a child that says I'm gonna hold my breath until I get what I want! Except waaaay worse, the POTUS is dealing with adults...Thank the Goddess for Harry Reid. I hope the Dems. make them hold their breath. Once they breathe, then bargain.

      Catholic by birth, Wiccan by choice. Namaste WF

      by Wildfaery on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:21:10 AM PST

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    •  They've already made cuts to military (8+ / 0-)

      retirements, and the military are real people. They'll keep making cuts to groups saying that they're sparing others. Then they'll go after the others.

      Congress is careful to restore things like air traffic controllers so congressmen and women can fly back home  unimpeded. But if it doesn't affect them, they don't care.

      Austerity is bull$h1t. Congress sees its job as preserving the wealth of the 1% and the 1% doesn't need extended unemployment benefits.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:24:43 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Amen Awomen (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Patango

        WHY DID this country become an independent union? Can't these (supposed learned people) understand? In order to form a more perfect union, we are here! Granted the Aristos still existed, but Jeezus H. Christ, so have THE TIRED,THE POOR,THE HUNGRY,THE OPPRESSED! I am sick and tired of the haves thinking they can go back and take away ordinary folks rights & human dignity!

        Catholic by birth, Wiccan by choice. Namaste WF

        by Wildfaery on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:50:36 AM PST

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    •  The problem is that the cuts they want (2+ / 0-)
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      delver rootnose, Patango

      will make the same people suffer in other ways.

      It's time for the wealthy to make a few "sacrifices."

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:08:18 AM PST

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  •  I'm confused? (0+ / 0-)

    I thought that the bill is to add 3 months (12 weeks) onto the 27 weeks of unemployment allowed?  Or is it a 3 month funding of unemployment that congress will have to revisit in 3months to vote on further funding?

  •  Fuck the cuts (28+ / 0-)

    Those assholes NEVER demanded payments for extensions in the past.

    The Democratic response should be

    'The Republican has NEVER demanded cuts before so why start now?  But in the spirit of bipartisanship here are some revenue offsets we would consider  

    -Elimination of the Carried Interest Loophole
    -Elimination of Oil and Gas subsidies
    -Elimination of Farm subsidies to large corporations
    -Allow re-importation of drugs
    -Allow price negotiation of pharmaceutical drugs
    -Tobin Tax or some variation of it as Rep Ellison has introduced

    Anything short of this will be seen as a purely partisan attempt at harming the President via millions of Americans who will be hurt by not extending unemployment benefits.  Partisan attempts to tie unemployment extensions to cuts to vital social services will be seem as counterproductive and destructive to our economy and those who were most affected by the recession which began under the presidency of President George W Bush.'  

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:19:57 AM PST

    •  This is exactly the right strategy (14+ / 0-)

      If we lose the fight on policy we win the politics. Make it clear who is defending the average person and who is defending the elites.

      There's a difference between a responsible gun owner and one that's been lucky so far.

      by BeerNotWar on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:55:14 AM PST

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    •  Problem is, it's up to the Dems to make the case (8+ / 0-)

      and they are ineffectual.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:59:43 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  How much do they want to make that case? (8+ / 0-)

        Except for the likes of Warren/Sanders/ Grayson, I honestly don't know at this point.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:05:49 AM PST

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      •  If Obama and the dems make another (0+ / 0-)

        backroom deal , I am going to eat a dozen hot chicken wings , 6 mentos , chug a 2 liter of Dr Pepper , go to my GOP senators next meet and greet , and hurl explosive puke all over everyone !!!!!!

        Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

        by Patango on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:42:06 AM PST

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      •  Are Dems "ineffectual" or on-board with the cuts? (0+ / 0-)

        Have we already forgotten that our Dem Leadership (Patty Murray) just agreed to the cuts in December?

        Or that the Administration did not issue a "veto threat?"

        Read the 2014 Budget--the Administration supports cutting corporate taxes and lowering the individual tax rates on "the wealthy."

        IIRC, the so-called "Buffet Rule" is set at about 30%--still a very substantial tax cut for "the wealthy."

        And Dems also want to offset these proposed cuts by "broadening the base and lowering marginal tax rates."

        Translation:  Raise taxes on lower and middle income Americans.

        Bowles and Simpsom tell everyone who will listen that you can't raise enough revenue to offset these marginal tax (rate) cuts UNLESS you raise taxes on everyone--including poor and middle income Americans.

        This is the "same method" used by the Reagan Administration (with the help of Dems Dick Gephardt and Bill Bradley) in 1986.

        With the Tax Reform Act of 1986, Reagan and Congress sought to raise taxes on lower incomes, eliminate many deductions, and reduce tax rates on the wealthy.

        In 1983, Democrats Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt had offered a proposal; in 1984 Reagan had the Treasury Department produce its own plan.

        The eventual bipartisan 1986 act aimed to be revenue-neutral: while it reduced the top marginal rate, it also partially "cleaned up" the tax base by curbing tax loopholes, preferences, and exceptions, thus raising the effective tax on activities previously specially favored by the code.

        Ultimately, the combination of the increase in tax rates on lower incomes and decrease in deductions raised revenue equal to about 4% of existing tax revenue.[11]

        From Wikipedia:
        Reagan followed his 1981 tax cuts with the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which sought to eliminate deductions, lower marginal rates for the wealthy, and significantly raise taxes on those earning less than $50,000.

        It sounds a lot like "Reaganomics" to me.

        Read Bowles-Simpson's Chairman's Mark, The Moment Of Truth--here's the link.

        We need to oppose the "tax overhaul," as it is presently proposed.

        It should be a tax increase on "the wealthy and corporations"--not on lower and middle class Americans!

        Mollie

        "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


        hiddennplainsight

        by musiccitymollie on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 05:25:38 PM PST

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    •  cut the 10 most wasteful spendings (3+ / 0-)

      1) F-35 fighter.

      2) Afghanistan

      3) Corn Ethanol.

      4) restructure the military.

      5) let Medicare buy drugs off the DoD price list.

      i'm sure there are a lot more out there.

    •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

      The republicans want cuts, then make them defend all their favorite pork, so all can see what they really think is more important, Christian virtue toward the poor or more pork for the 1%.

    •  So well stated (0+ / 0-)

      This should be the marching orders of every Democrat in Congress. There is NO give here, THIS is the line in the sand that the Rethugs have drawn. THIS is the line the Democrats in power should hammer away at them. THIS is the weak point, where the hammer should strike!

      Catholic by birth, Wiccan by choice. Namaste WF

      by Wildfaery on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:34:16 AM PST

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  •  How 'bout we offset the $24 billion the shutdown (7+ / 0-)

    cost the taxpayers.  That should take care of at least a year of unemployment insurance.

    Imagine all the people, living life in peace. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. John Lennon

    by GwenM on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:55:41 AM PST

  •  Ok, let's start with the military (10+ / 0-)

    We'll see how many tens of billions of dollars we can free up there.

  •  Cut Their Office Budgets (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, Anakai

    And see what Executive Orders can be signed to move money out of the states of those Senators who care more about the Republican Party than they do the people.

    Remember, the road to victory is paved with big words and professorial arrogance. Passion need not apply.

    by The Lone Apple on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:56:09 AM PST

  •  The Dems, of course, will miss this opportunity .. (8+ / 0-)

    For example, they could say this is a great idea - let's cut the subsidy to the oil companies to pay for it.  But they won't.  They're way too chickenshit to play political judo.  It means they'd have to "raise their voices" make a stink, and be firm and persistent.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:57:10 AM PST

  •  Corporate Welfare costs $100 Billion a year (14+ / 0-)

    or $25 Billion for 3 months of Corporate Welfare

    Let's look at the numbers

    $6.5 Billion for 3 months of UI
    Not including the cost benefit & job creation that goes with extending the UI for three months, the "cost" (outlay) would be approximately: $6.5 Billion for 3 month extension.

    $100 Billion for 1 year of Corporate Welfare
    Rightwinged CATO institute reports

    Corporate welfare in the federal budget costs taxpayers almost
    $100 Billion a year.

    ~Tad DeHaven CATO Institute. July 25, 2012

    Well ... I suppose we know what to "cut" in order to satisfy the "how ya gonna pay for it" crowd.

    CATO goes on to say

    Corporate welfare does not aid economic growth and it is an affront to America’s constitutional principles of limited government and equality under the law.
    hmmm ... we know that people who get unemployment benefits buy goods and thus keep people employed (job saving) thus, extending unemployment benefits does aid economic growth.

    Doing a little simple math:

    Unemployment Insurance Outlay:

    3 months x 4 = 12 months in one year

    Therefore: $6.5 Billion in three months for UI (times) 4
    = $26 Billion in UI for 1 year

    CATO's Corporate Welfare Numbers:
    12 months = 1 year.

    12 months (divided by) 4 = 3 months

    Therefore: $100 Billion a year on Corporate Welfare (divided by) 4
    = $25 Billion for 3 months in Corporate Welfare cost

    Well, math does not lie.

    Mathematically, for the cost outlay to extend unemployment benefits for 1 year ($26B) is what it cost's the taxpayer, according to CATO, to pay for 3 months of Corporate Welfare ($25B).

    There you have it: We have found the perfect way to pay for the UI extension, we simply cut Corporate Welfare ... hell .... even for just 3 months and we can afford another 12 months of UI extension.

    And to think, we did not have to touch: SNAP, Obamacare, Farm Bill, or any other safety-net the poor and middle class depend on to survive.

    ------ I copy/pasted this from my Diary -------------

  •  Cuts? Fine! (8+ / 0-)

    Cut DOD. It's that simple. Everyone here knows that we spend a gazillion dollars on defense, more than the "next 15 countries put together".

    Do we need it? Can pigs fly? Look what good our DOD gazillions have done us in the newly failing Iraq and the soon-to-fail Afghanistan and ask again.

    $683 Billion-with-a-B dollars and we get just about dick. Cuts are easy to imagine. This could be the true legacy of BHO...the guy who was brave enough to cut defense spending...but I forgot congress. Well, they WERE asking for cuts, weren't they?

    What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

    by TerryDarc on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 08:58:23 AM PST

  •  Cut all defense contracts in Red districts (8+ / 0-)

    Then cut out all tax loopholes for multi-national corporations with less than 70% of their employees living in the United States

  •  Funny (4+ / 0-)

    except sad. Well all know, any cuts, will be heaped upon the middle and lower classes. Stop pretending otherwise. Both Parties hate us.

    The Republicans are crazy, but why we follow them down the rabbit hole is beyond me.

    by Jazzenterprises on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:03:09 AM PST

  •  Cut weapons programs and subsidies to Big Oil (9+ / 0-)

    and Big Ag. The Democrats should propose cuts only to things the Repugs want to continue.

  •  I totally agree (3+ / 0-)
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    Anakai, stewarjt, wishingwell

    We should definitely cut something to help fund unemployment insurance. Since the WSJ estimated that we spend $200 billion a year on corporate welfare, I suggest we look there first for cuts.

  •  this is some good advice: (0+ / 0-)
    And as always, Democrats should be pushing not just for less harmful cuts but for additional revenue
    other things Democrats should do-stop funding the stupid Republicans and tea partiers, but that won't happen.

    I wanted single payer. (please don't hurt me.)

    by Krush on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:05:23 AM PST

    •  Exactly, (0+ / 0-)

      some money can be saved by eliminating faith-based programs that have not proven themselves effective in alleviating poverty and hunger, or creating jobs.

      •  Some faith based programs (0+ / 0-)

        are effective but others are not. It really depends on the relgion and the people running the organization.

        Government funded programs are sort of useless too in some instances you really have to be able to jump through hoops.

        I wanted single payer. (please don't hurt me.)

        by Krush on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:59:14 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Spend like a drunken sailor... (3+ / 0-)
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    Lily O Lady, stewarjt, unfangus

    when you've got the political power and hold the purse strings, run up the deficit at record rates, load up the credit card with unpaid for wars and programs and then go all austerity on their ass when the other party has it's turn. Their hubris and lies and phony justifications are spectacular to behold.  Perhaps even more wondrous is the total disregard for the human lives they jeopardize or destroy in playing their ridiculous game!

    •  I'm an ex-sailor - and I occasionally drink - (1+ / 0-)
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      unfangus

      But there's no way in hell I have that kind of money to piss away on the kind of bilge these chum toss over the side.

      I wish that phrase would die the kind of death I wish for another one that shudders my giblets: "... for the future of our children." This country cares less for its kids than any industrial nation (and most of the rest) on this planet.

  •  Give them the same cuts they demanded of Bush: 0. (5+ / 0-)

    Austerity during an economic downtown is bad policy. Cutting off the unemployed is disgusting.

    I'm tired of the Republican run-around. Where's LBJ and his nutcracker?

    Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

    by Bob Love on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:06:33 AM PST

  •  So here's a couple places to make cuts (4+ / 0-)

    to pay for the unemployment extensions: how about downgrading some of the architectural hardware for the wardroom of the new Ford Class aircraft carrier so it won't resemble the Waldorf Astoria? That ought to save several million right there, considering that the damned ship cost 15 BILLION dollars just to float at its berth in Newport News?

    Or how about scrapping the F35 - the plane that's designed to kill its pilots? Or stopping the production of unwanted and unneeded tanks?

    There are any number of places to make cuts to help out Americans looking for work but unable to find a job.

    And while we're at it, tie the unemployment extension to a law which prohibits trans-national financial gangsters like Mitt Romney and corporations like Bain Capital from buying American businesses and shipping their jobs overseas so the wait for domestic jobs is not so hopeless?

    Just a few thoughts - those which will never enter the minds of the fools running the country right now. BTW, I'm just waiting for Obama to put his Social Security cuts back on the table again to entice Boehner to play along... in the spirit of "bipartisanship", of course.

  •  obama is always (2+ / 0-)
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    delver rootnose, left of center

    ready to compromise with the repugnants but where is the backbone to stand tall for those that elected him twice or was that saved for elections only.

  •  Where were the Democrats in December? (1+ / 0-)
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    When they actually passed the budget without UI extensions? Why is it such an emergency NOW, as opposed to say, right before Christmas? The answer:

     The Democrats are getting what they want... the opportunity to shaft the rest of us, with of course, the help of the Republican Party.

     Again, neither Party has our interests at heart. We are alone.

    The Republicans are crazy, but why we follow them down the rabbit hole is beyond me.

    by Jazzenterprises on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:11:10 AM PST

  •  To earn the GOP's respect and acquiescence (0+ / 0-)

    Democrats need to take the same approach as they did in 2013.  The GOP thought the Democrats would fold on the sequester and give them what they wanted either during the summer or during the FY 14 budget negotiations.  The GOP also thought the Democrats would cave when the GOP threatened a default and a government shutdown.  Dems did not cave and won a big victory.

    The Republicans do not care about people, so reminding them that average folks, even those that vote for them, are getting hurt won't move the needle one bit.  They take their voters for granted (and how we change that is a discussion for another diary).  I also don't think increased revenue payfors or reductions of corp subsidies are going to pass the GOP.  They just want to stick it to Head Start and Food Stamps.

    Rather, I think Democrats should be prepared to stop negotiating with the Republicans and make a complete capitulation on full funding of UI with no payfors a condition to doing anything. Anytime a GOP chairman wants money for a bridge project in a transportation bill, threaten a veto unless the UI issue is sorted out. Democrats should then use this as a political issue in campaigns to demonstrate that this issue will hurt the GOP politically and that Democrats are not above playing the game of politics.

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    by khyber900 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:12:45 AM PST

  •  Dems also need to run attack ads on the GOP for (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    this election season stating the ONLY agenda for the GOP is to stop Obamacare. Nothing else matters!

  •  And democrats are.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...to cowardly or cowed or feckless to just say

    'take if from the defense department slush fund'

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:15:01 AM PST

    •  DoD is just another gov't works program (0+ / 0-)

      If you think about the DoD as a military force, it's ridiculously outsized. If you think about it as a gov't works program, then it starts to make sense.

      •  Yea except .... (1+ / 0-)
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        sweatyb

        ..everything they invent is to kill people and is secret so even if it has non military applications it takes years to get out into the general public..

        I would much rather have a works program here in the US building the electric grid or rails or even roads or exploring the moon and mars or even just looking at the stars.  The money gets to less military right wing people and we make less enemies and kill less wedding parties in the process.

        We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

        by delver rootnose on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:45:11 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  me too (0+ / 0-)

          I'll be the first to back a proposal to split the DoD in half and re-assign everyone in the Army into the "civil engineer corps". $200B/year builds a lot of bridges and trains and such.

          But cutting the defense budget to pay for UI doesn't make more sense than cutting food stamps. Those cuts hurt people. Just because they're enlisted doesn't make me not care about them.

          How about this. Don't cut. Accept the fact that UI is literally the least we can do to help ensure that the unemployed will still be employable when there are jobs for them.

  •  I Wanna Know (0+ / 0-)

    WHY, EXACTLY WHY President Obama is willing to cut other working class programs to pass an unemployment benefits extension?

    If I was a communist, rich men would fear me...And the opposite applies. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

    by stewarjt on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:16:40 AM PST

  •  Tis Better to Give Than to Receive (0+ / 0-)

    What part of extending unemployment benefits to Americans for as long as she/he needs it don't the Republicans understand?

    God don't like ugly

  •  One of these days, it'd be nice if the... (2+ / 0-)
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    Hirodog, unfangus

    Democratic party SAW THIS COMING... and ran a few little pre-emptive strike commercials.

    "Next Month, Republicans will demand more cuts in exchange for hostages."

    "When a group holds hostages, and threatens to hurt them unless their demands are met... we call that terrorism, unless the Republicans do it."

    /snark

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:18:11 AM PST

  •  Cut the Pentagon !!! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Positronicus

    The last time that the GAO tried to audit the Pentagon,
    they discovered that there was 1 TRILLION dollars
    Missing from the accounts.

    The Biggest WASTE of Tax dollars is right there.

    Unfortunately, those Wasted Tax dollars go to LOBBYISTS
    that make sure that the Pentagon Budget will NEVER
    go Down by so much as a Penney.

    The Rethuglycants HATE "Big Government" EXCEPT when
    that "Big Government" fills their pockets with Cash.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:18:23 AM PST

    •  Yes, (0+ / 0-)

      but don't call it cutting the military or pentagon.  Call it cutting wasteful spending.  Republicans have shown this is a far more effective technique.  Don't focus on the military aspects, but rather on corporate and political pork.

  •  we are the wealthiest nation in the world (1+ / 0-)
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    We are rich beyond the dreams of Croesus. House Republicans wasted $24B on their shutdown, now they're complaining about ponying up $6B to help out of work people pay for heat & electricity, food, bus fare, etc?

    Obama's response should be: "You get nothing. I'm not asking you for a favor. Sure it's the right thing to do, but you will extend UE insurance as long as it takes because it's the only thing to do."

  •  Stock Sales Tax (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, Hirodog
  •  Suspend Aid To Israel for 1 year (1+ / 0-)
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    •  With you on that one (0+ / 0-)

      Reform capitol gains tax so that it is very much higher on very short trades, while lowering capital gains rates on stocks held for more than 2 years and even lower for stocks held for more than 5 years.  This help appreciate all stocks of value to society and lessen wild short term speculation.  It would do nothing to impede liquidity because intrinsic human greed would insure that traders would continue to trade since that is where the money is.

      A 65% tax on stock trades held for less than 1 second, 60% on trades less than 1 minute, %50 on trades less than 1 hour, etc.  The current 2 year rule with only two classes of gains is outdated.  

      Most people don't realize it but nowadays with computerized trading, most trading volume is done with stocks being bought and sold within fractions of a second of one another.  Not only would this raise hundreds of billions of dollars, it would stabilize the markets by forcing short term traders to operate more to the benefit of the long term economy rather than just hedge fund managers and a few speculators.

  •  I for one am sick and tired of Obama calling (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans to offer a white flag.

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:19:50 AM PST

  •  Eeezy-Schmeezy... (0+ / 0-)

    ....we just CUT the TAX EXPENDITURES given to the oil industry!

    Oughtta cover it JUST FINE!

    Then, when Thug politicians start up with their "Obama won't make any cuts to save unemployment" bullshit, we come back with "the Thug Party thinks the prosperous oil companies that screw you at the pump every day need taxpayer's dollars more than the unemployed need extended benefits!"

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:23:48 AM PST

  •  I think we should cut Darrel Issa's budget (3+ / 0-)
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    for "Oversight". Surely there would be sufficient funds there to pay for the extension.

    American taxpayer dollars wasted on Witch Hunts.

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    by Sybil Liberty on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:23:56 AM PST

  •  Spending cuts (0+ / 0-)

    I actually agree that there should be spending cuts to provide unemployment benefits. The funds should come directly from the oil company subsidies the republicans so generously give to those they really care about.

  •  Oh yeah, the economy really needs another (0+ / 0-)

    GOP hit. They don't want to borrow money from China to give to the unemployed but were fine to borrow $24 BILLION!!! to pay for the stupid, useless, insane government shutdown.  They could end any chance for the unemployed getting a job since job hunting takes money for gas, copies, cell phone and life.  With no income at all how do they even continue. Committing a crime would be one way to secure food and housing, I suppose. Then the GOP can sneer at them for being immoral rather than reacting to GOP abuse.

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    by J Edward on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:27:27 AM PST

  •  Cut corporate welfare & (0+ / 0-)

    impose stiff penalties on businesses that send American jobs overseas.  Pick up benefits for unemployment at a source of unemployment.

  •  Republicans demand cuts (1+ / 0-)
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    In other news, General Franco is still dead.

    "If you pour some music on whatever's wrong, it'll sure help out." Levon Helm

    by BOHICA on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:28:43 AM PST

  •  Cut Pentagon spending (1+ / 0-)
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    Duh.

    “Hardworking men and women who are busting their tails in full-time jobs shouldn't be left in poverty.” -- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:29:16 AM PST

  •  fine (0+ / 0-)

    cut the pentagon and the oil subsidies. Done

  •  Pocket change for corporate welfare queens (0+ / 0-)
  •  Great that we give these alternatives to cut, but (0+ / 0-)

    ... let's face it, most are non-flyers.

    What we're saying is toss back at the GOP the idea of having to cut at all to provide longer-term unemployment comp benefits. After all, offsetting via other cuts buys the GOP premise that balance is necessary. The best this track - foregoing an extension with a hard line - gets us is campaign fodder (providing, of course, our candidates particularly in marginal districts, do use it adroitly). And more than a million individuals will have no benefits in a mostly moribund job market.

    On the other hand, some of us do want to extend UC benefits enough to accept sacrifices. For this crowd, it's practical politics at work. Compromise is necessary. So the issue becomes, Cut What?

    For this, again as a practical matter, we will need to be specific. Sure, we could propose a sequester-like slashing across-the-board to budgets generally or to some specific ones like the military, but (1) I thought we opposed that notion, and (2) that pits one group (face facts, it's a group that includes Democrats and jobs in many districts!) against another.

    I'm just saying that venting and ranting is OK - it's good therapy for self and group! - but realism is necessary for Washington to be less broken: either elections later or deal now.

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:37:48 AM PST

  •  I thought that was what the sequester was about... (0+ / 0-)

    Everybody thought the sequester was a bad idea.  The latest "deal" was supposed to be about reversing the sequester. So why is it that they keep wanting cuts in return for new legislation.  We've already been down that road.

  •  Remind me again …. (0+ / 0-)

    why Democrats agreed to the cuts in the first place?

    Oh yeah, it was so they could blame Republicans for not reinstating them, and as a cover to cut more money from the budget.

    And now they're agreeing to more than twice as much cuts to food stamps as they did last year.

    It's a disgusting game that Democrats play with the most powerless and vulnerable along with their Republican colleagues. But I won't play this ridiculous handwringing game about how evil Republicans are when Democrats have been enabling them every step of the way for decades now.

    The Democorporate faction of the party uses the Far Right as its excuse for moving further right.

    by masswaster on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:41:52 AM PST

  •   (0+ / 0-)

    Why can't the SAC $1.8 billion penalty - and similar DoJ settlements/fines - help fund these extensions?  I realize in some cases (e.g., Madoff) the penalties go to the victims, but cases like SAC go to the "general treasury," correct?  

  •  GOP's war against the poor makes me sick (0+ / 0-)

    and this on the day LBJ declared the "war against poverty" 50 years ago. Most agree that the reason for current poverty is social inequality. Thus, financing of unemployment benefits must come from the rich. It must involve higher taxes on the rich. This is the only credible solution.

    •  Tax stock trades (1+ / 0-)
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      that way it can be argued that one is not taxing the rich, only those greedy enough to want to be rich.

      Also reform capital gains taxes so that they are much higher for trades of very short duration.  A 65% tax on stocks bought and sold within one second, a 60% tax on those held under one minute, etc. would generate lots of money, since nowadays about 85% of all stock bought are held for less than 1 minute.  It would have the benefit of bringing credibility and stability back to the markets, as well as lowering capital gains on stocks held for 2 or more years.  Make capital gains on stocks held for longer than 5 years, only 7%.  This could be done, if the present two tiered capital gains tax has many more tiers, with very short trades having the highest rates.

      If this is done it would generate much more long term thinking in the investment community which would be particularly helpful to the long term unemployed, since corporations would begin to focus on the longer term rather than making decisions one microsecond at a time.  This would have the benefit of allowing corporations to more clearly demonstrate that what they are doing is actually helping society.

  •  Sure! (0+ / 0-)

    Take it all from DoD.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:43:38 AM PST

  •  Cut defense, NSA. (0+ / 0-)

    They have so much money they can't even keep track of it ( for real! ).


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    by No one gets out alive on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:44:30 AM PST

  •  There is plenty of fat in the defense budget (0+ / 0-)

    Please propose cutting from the defense budget.

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    by gjohnsit on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:48:55 AM PST

  •  Offset with cuts to unemployment benefits, food (0+ / 0-)

    stamps, healthcare exchange subsidies, and just about every other federal program that is hit less when people are able to find decent jobs.

    In other words -- get on board with things that encourage small business to grow and to hire people. Make sure it is profitable to HIRE AMERICANS in decent jobs.

    That a very Republican value.  How strange that they don't seem to get it.

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    by dinotrac on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:49:44 AM PST

  •  Replace Collins (0+ / 0-)

    With a progressive Democrat and a leader in the fight for the 4th Amendment in Maine.  Shenna Bellows

  •  So they want cuts (0+ / 0-)

    Well give them cuts to their favorite programs, forcing them to demonstrate to everyone that they would rather see the 1% overfed than feed the neediest among us.

    Dems should pick on the most egregious of the GOP pork and slash it as a response for the cuts they seek.  The good news is that there are so many items to choose from.

  •  Easy. Cut the bloated (0+ / 0-)

    National Security/Surveillance State and Pentagon budgets.

    Now.

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    by felix19 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:05:11 AM PST

  •  Collins... (0+ / 0-)

    Moderate, my ass.

  •  Ya want cuts? We've got cuts. (0+ / 0-)

    1. Farm subsidies to millionaires who aren't really farmers.
    2. The tanks being built in Boehner's district that the Army didn't ask for and doesn't really want or need.
    3. All subsidies to oil, gas, and coal extractors.
    4. Drones. All of them.
    5. Whatever it was that Sen. McConnell larded into the shutdown-lifting bill, to benefit his own district.

    That should add up to quite enough.

  •  This Enrages Me On Two Levels (0+ / 0-)

    One, of course, is the millions of Americans that are being devastated by this. I think I can understand the panic and desperation they are going through and my heart pours out to them.

    But the other is that the MSM is completely ignoring what should be a major component of this story which is the phony GOP memo literally instructing the conservative/Republican/Tea Party members of congress detailing how to fake concern for the unemployed.

    That glaring hypocrisy should be national news but as usual its being deliberately ignored because it shows the conservative/Republican/Tea Party members of congress for the phony hypocrites they really are.

    Collect Different Days

    by Homers24 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:28:12 AM PST

  •  Unemploymnet aid (1+ / 0-)
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    If the Republicans insist upon cutting an equal amount
    from the budget if they restore unemployment aid have
    them cut from the military budget.

  •  Why more Americans can't see that it's (0+ / 0-)

    time to cut out the cancer that is the "take from the poor and give to the rich" crowd is beyond me.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:30:56 AM PST

  •  I love that photo. (0+ / 0-)

    Not the first time I've seen it. It's Collins, fresh from another Faustian bargain, having ridden the elevator back from Hades. It's a long way down.

    In any case, about this business of "paying for an extension": when is enough going to be enough for them? Isn't the sequester still in effect? Couldn't you get that money back by doing any one of a number of things: imposing a tiny financial transaction tax for Wall Street trades? Eliminating the insane cap on payroll taxes above 119,000 in income? Repealing pretty much the remainder of the Bush tax cuts?

    The imposition of this kind of miserly bean-counting is offensive when it comes to the unemployed, who are in more severly dire straits than at any point in recent history. And the whole thing is just kind of insane when you consider what kinds of sacrifices are not being made at the other end of the income scale.

    And of course, with "moderate" Republicans like Collins, who needs the conservative kind? If Maine had some kind of Ted Cruz wingnut in the Senator's office, at least we'd know where we stood. I guess Collins is worried about getting primaried from the right; maybe she should start worrying about what the rest of Maine has to go through, just because she wants to hang on to her seat.

    Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

    by Dale on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:31:41 AM PST

  •  Same Ol Same Ol (0+ / 0-)

    Until we as a society united, figure out the game that is being played on us, by ALL politicians who are bought...

    We all know how this will be done in the end.

    They will raise the emotions of the people, ignore all petitions, and the dems will say okay we can just take some more from let's see, oh it was the seniors last time, so it's childrens food again.

    The Dems will say... oh I don't like it but we have to...

    in three months it can be the unemployed's turn again...
    This cycle has played now for what 5 years?

    meanwhile.. people starve, live in the streets, freeze, get attacked, torture, suffer and yes death.

    We must wake up and unite with all partied citizens who are the unheard and being attacked by the very systems built but  to create this environment.

    We have great minds we are not incapable, we are intelligent, generous and humane, as a majority of people.

    We must think, try things, plan, something.

    Hell at least commit to each one reach and register ONE unregistered voter everywhere.

    No longer numb with hopeless acceptance. And I am doing all the thinking, reading, learning that I can.

  •  One More (0+ / 0-)

    thing. These people depended on their government to be minding the store and acting to protect them and all they worked for all their lives.

    And now that very fact is being used with expert precision, to take all the rest.

    It is time to take to the streets united.

    Thanks for hearing this, I am trying to balance my emotions here.. (weak Moment) Even though it is true, the politicians are manipulating the emotions of it's people. (in order to take us down, what? further?)

  •  How's about those jobs you promised, Boehner? (0+ / 0-)

    Weren't you and your little forced-birth buddies running on the whole "jobs" thing just a few years back?

    Ya think maybe you could spare a day or two of your terribly busy Congressional workload to perhaps lessen the actual need for emergency UI benefits?

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    by here4tehbeer on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:59:11 AM PST

  •  Diary (0+ / 0-)
    Obama , signaling that he is willing to discuss other spending cuts.
    I do not like to be hyper critical , but I am beyond disgusted with the cuts that have happened since 2010 , all while massive profits are being made around the nation , I would rather see Obama hammer this issue from the bully pulpit , then watch dems cave to more safety net cuts , and I mean " safety net" in very broad terms

    This is where dems can tie this to "income equality "

    Daily Kos can even write it for the dems

    " SINCE TRICKLE DOWN HAS BEEN A MASSIVE FAILURE THE LAST 20 YEARS , WE ARE GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THESE MASSIVE WALL ST PROFITS , AND 'TRICKLE THEM DOWN' ONTO THE UNEMPLOYED , REPUBLICANS SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH AMERICA IMPLEMENTING THEIR OWN POLICY , RIGHT ? "  

    Bumper sticker version

    " Wall St Profits Must Trickle Down 2 Unemployment Extension "

    Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

    by Patango on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:17:38 AM PST

  •  This sounds good to me (0+ / 0-)

    Cut tax breaks for corporations, farm subsidies, sugar subsidies. Should be enough there to get unemployment benefits back.

  •  What's good for the goose is ... (0+ / 0-)

    Let the Regressives go stand under a bridge or on a street corner with a sign that says "I WORK FOR FOOD STAMPS".  We know it's all about the Regressives insulting the poor and unemployed.  It's all about "I'm better than you."  Especially let them do it when it is unbearably cold and again when it is unbearably hot.

  •  Cut out the idiots in Congress (1+ / 0-)
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    If Republicans feel the need to make cuts, why not cut their own unearned and undeserved salaries.  Since the majority of them are multi-millionaires they can well afford to take a cut in wages.  The unemployed and under-employed cannot afford any cuts.   I think it is not only sheer arrogance on their part but a total lack of compassion and respect for those  who are struggling to make ends meet each day.  Millions are out of jobs due to no fault of their own but because congress has allowed greedy corporations to send millions of jobs off-shore and refuses to tax them. On the contrary congress continues to subsidize uber rich corporations while taxing the hell of  hard-working Americans.  I pray and hope the voters vote these idiots out of office.  Congress like the CEOs have put profit before people.  

    •  They sure don't work hard for their constituents. (0+ / 0-)

      They do work pretty hard for fund-raising, though.

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      by smileycreek on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 02:16:39 PM PST

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      •  I believe there should be spending cuts (1+ / 0-)
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        Not necessarily tied into the extension of unemployment benefits, but in general. We do need to control cost.
        I am against cuts for people who need help (such as food stamps).
        I would start my means testing congressional pension recipients. I would also start means testing for crop insurance, farm aid/subsidies, and any other corporate aid.

        Eliminate the subsidy for rural airports and have the states/localities pick up the tab.

         They can go back and look at fraud in many of the Iraq war contracts and demand repayment.

        The locality adjustment for federal workers needs to be overhauled. Federal workers in Houston get a larger adjustment than federal workers in DC.  It should be based on the local cost of living.

        Consolidate some federal offices – close the federal offices in Red states who despise the government (such as the ORS center in Utah).

        I am sure there are many other cuts that can be made without hurting people who need assistance. When it comes down to it though republicans do not cut funds that aid their district.

  •  $24 billion was okay for a pointless shutdown? . . (0+ / 0-)

    but we can't afford a fraction of that for a brief extension of benefits that would boost the economy, add jobs, and help people who are truly needy and looking for work?    
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