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The way some people have been carrying on you'd think that Richard Sherman was Oscar Pistorious or something. The frigging media! O how I despise talking heads!
This week we should have been hearing about his great, athletic, intelligent play which gave Seahawks the win. We should be talking about him being a Stanford graduate; a guy who took graduate courses while still doing his undergraduate degree. We should have been talking about his giving back to his community and his foundation.  Instead he is being described as, " thug," "n****r," "low life" "loudmouth."

Yes, black guy plays his heart out on the field, shows passion, cares about the game and people sitting on their asses complaining about what he should not have said.
Pray tell, what the hell did he say that was so earth shatteringly offensive? Give me a freaking break already! Anybody remember the petulance and tantrums of  John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors? Anybody seeing what happens in a hockey game? Anyone?

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Now the audio has been released from the last encounter with Crabtree on Sunday and it shows, as he said it would, that despite being all pumped up Sherman was doing the classy thing with no hint of sarcasm. He put out his hand, demonstrating a level of maturity and sportsmanship, and said, "Good game."

Seems to me that there's a lot some of these haters could learn from this young man. For the others, well...there's just no hope for them. We'll just leave them to stew in their own hate and jealousy.

Go Seahawks!! Go Richard!!

Originally posted to JoanMar on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 11:29 PM PST.

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  •  Richard Sherman (23+ / 0-)

    Is an amazing young man and we are proud to have him in Seattle and with the Seahawks.

    All the hoopla is just nonsense - the live mike proves it.  Crabtree response was uncalled for.  

    "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

    by sara seattle on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 11:38:20 PM PST

    •  True dat! (11+ / 0-)

      Without his athletic prowess the Seahawks would be on vacation. :)

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 11:42:18 PM PST

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    •  I'm a Hawks fan in California (10+ / 0-)

      -- Northern California to be exact.

      Everyone here, from San Diego to Humbolt is furious at Sherman. Even Raiders fans are fired up, which is hysterical.

      It just shows that people perceive Sherman's outburst based on their bias.  As WaPo explained before last week's game, America Hates the SeaHawks

      I thought Sherman screaming at what's-her-name was kind of rude, but expected and therefore, kind of funny. (I also found McEnroe and Connors rude and never liked them)

      But despite what he's dealt with since then, Sherman has comported himself with grace and I'm therefore totally on his side. I hope he shows Seahawks-hating America that he truly IS the best cornerback in the NFL and that the Hawks are the best team as well.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:38:42 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  What did you think of the "choke" gesture (0+ / 0-)

        he gave?

        A real class act there.

        •  It was all in the moment of the game. (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          grover, JoanMar

          I saw no problem with that - Go Broncos!

          •  It's like no one here has ever watched sports: (7+ / 0-)

            All of a sudden gestures on the field of play (or on the court, or ice)  are brand new, outrageous, and absolutely unacceptable.

            I like football. I'm a rabid NHL fan, not much of an MLB, soccer, or NBA fan much at all, but certainly have seen my share of games.  

            And (fanning self and asks for smelling salts) this is the first time I have ever seen a rude gesture on the field, especially at the professional level. Good thing our collegians, as well high school and children's level sports are played with far more decorum. Of course, it's because their parents are the models of restraint.

            Heh..

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:31:25 AM PST

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            •  I've watched a lot of sports. (0+ / 0-)

              So have millions of others out there who saw a bad sportsman on television.

              Typically someone who wins a game isn't a dick about it after the fact. I want to see a winner who is happy about his win, not bitter.

            •  There are limits. (0+ / 0-)
              And (fanning self and asks for smelling salts) this is the first time I have ever seen a rude gesture on the field, especially at the professional level.
              I refereed another sport at the national amateur level for a decade.  There are many things tolerated in the NFL that would be automatic ejections in any game in other leagues.

              I would love to see the NFL adopt a weak policy against end zone celebrations, for instance.  Start at a cumulative year suspension per incident, and we can talk about something stronger.

              Some things really are deeply unsportsmanlike.  "Act like ya been there before."

              -7.75 -4.67

              "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

              There are no Christians in foxholes.

              by Odysseus on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 09:54:16 AM PST

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              •  Yup. And he forgot the one I strongly believe in: (2+ / 0-)
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                Odysseus, BlackSheep1

                "Leave it on the field."

                But this was a profanity-free, threat-free interview. He went overboard. I've said that.

                I'm just as concerned with Crabtree grabbing Sherman's face ask which few seem to remember.

                Sherman apologized for his rant.

                He apologized.

                He said, I screwed up.

                He apologized.

                But I guess some people here (not you per se) should think he should be punished more.

                I dunno. I'd rather we got this furious over Football TBIs, criminal behavior by NFL players, denied NFL disability payments, the whole mess of NCAA football bribes, graduation rates, etc.

                © grover


                So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

                by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:20:47 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

      •  Not everyone. (2+ / 0-)
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        grover, JoanMar

        I'm in NorCal as well and I thought the reactions were way overdone before the context of everything that happened and who Sherman is came to light.   But yeah, a ridiculously large percentage are....so you're basically right.

        •  Well then, good to meet you! (2+ / 0-)
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          JoanMar, Maverick80229

          That's two of us!

          Whatcha doing Super Bowl Sunday?

          (Actually, you don't want to be with me. It's gonna be ugly. We have a friend who is a legit life-long Broncos fan. And then there's us.  The battle in his living room might be worse than that on the field: flying Cheetos and guac everywhere!)

          ;)

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:35:31 AM PST

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    •  As a Hawks fan what isn't there to love? (10+ / 0-)

      Sherman is intense, not a bad thing.

      He's also community minded, appreciates what he has and works to maintain it, loves the fans and shows it...

      What's not to like.

      Now on to the Super Bowl...though I'm nervous as can be about Denver.

      Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

      by Morgan Sandlin on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:44:05 AM PST

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  •  I actually caught the end of the game (17+ / 0-)

    As I was wasting time and I still don't see what the fuss is about. Sherman made an absolutely amazing play and was obviously still riding that when he gave his interview.  I don't know what people expected but personally I think their expectations were at best mistaken if not utterly racist.

    Der Weg ist das Ziel

    by duhban on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 11:41:18 PM PST

    •  I blame the talking heads. They set the (18+ / 0-)

      agendas. And then they turn around and accuse him of diverting attention from the game. O how I despise them! Really, I do.

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 11:44:12 PM PST

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      •  agreed (7+ / 0-)

        I'm not sure what fox was thinking though I suppose the kindest explanation is that they were not aware of the history between Sherman and Crabtree (nor Crabtree's bad  sportsmanship and having to eat all those words of his) but even still it's Richard Sherman what did you expect to happen? Not to mention I find it hard to believe they didn't know considering a lot of it was on twitter (which I personally found out after the fact).

        And yeah all those 'sports commenters' that want to sit there and judge from on high annoyed the hell out of me. Than again I generally think 'sports commenter' is one of those jobs where your ego generally takes over. I don't know if you watch baseball but you should hear the 'purity police' it's either amusing or infuriating.

        I figured there's be a backlash I only found out tonight how bad it was. A sad comment on the state of America imo

        Der Weg ist das Ziel

        by duhban on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:04:14 AM PST

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      •  The talking heads? (1+ / 0-)
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        Tonedevil

        I had an instant reaction when I saw the play and its aftermath. Great play, lousy sportsmanship.

        The talking heads didn't need to tell me that. But I do love how the Seattle fans are stumbling over each other trying to be Sherman's best defender. It has the smell of desperation.

        •  Well I'm not a Seattle fan, (3+ / 0-)
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          JoanMar, poco, BlackSheep1

          I'm not even a football fan, and I'm sure not desperate.

          But as I said in another comment, I think it's kinda crazy for people to expect all of the adrenaline and aggression that goes into football to turn into sweetness and light two seconds later.

        •  Sherman doesn't really need defenders. (5+ / 0-)
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          a2nite, grover, poco, BlackSheep1, jennybravo

          And this diary is not to defend but to highlight.
          His game, his life story, his thoughtfulness, his foundation all speak for him.
          The tolerance level for black athletes "misbehaving" is floor high. I get that.

          Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

          by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:28:32 AM PST

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          •  Did racists jump on this? (1+ / 0-)
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            Tonedevil

            Sure they did.

            But so did a lot of people who saw someone acting like a dick on national television - the cool thing about this country is he is allowed to act like a dick and his audience is allowed to say, "he acted like a dick."

            This happens in the NHL, Boxing, and Tennis. In fact McEnroe used to get criticized harshly for his childish behavoir on the court and it had nothing to do with race.

  •  oh my (27+ / 0-)

    an nfl player trash talks- i think i'm getting the vapors...

    sherman went from compton to a scholarship at stanford, the first kid from his high school to do so. and it wasn't just because of his athletic ability- not even close- he was a straight "a" student in high school, and also took time to tutor other kids. as an nfl star, he uses his stature and money to help promote education to kids from similar backgrounds, and also buys educational supplies for schools.

    i missed this story when it first happened, but watching it snowball into A Very Big Deal has been astonishing. once again, welcome to "post-racial" america.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 11:44:55 PM PST

  •  My apologies. (9+ / 0-)

    It is 2:45 am and I need my beauty sleep. :)
    Sorry to post and run.
    Will respond to comments (if there are any) in the morn.

    Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

    by JoanMar on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 11:46:33 PM PST

  •  I don't understand why (14+ / 0-)

    people are finding his words shocking, he was nabbed for an interview right after one of the biggest plays of his career. He was hyped up. Pro football is a hyped up thing that encourages maximum focus and competition. On the one hand we want these pro football  dudes to be beasts and we more or less live out our displaced fantasies  through them and blather on (not done here) with those stupid war analogies and then we want them to be little lambs for the interview. We also fetishize manhood vis a vis pro sports as something larger than life and now he is getting a finger waving for being larger than life in response.....

    Oh. Ahem. Massive hockey fan here.

  •  What? Huh? (5+ / 0-)
    Anybody seeing what happens in a hockey game?
    They're just skating around on the ice minding their own business. Why are you dragging hockey players into this ugly mess?

    ;)

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:26:59 AM PST

    •  There was a recent hockey game (2+ / 0-)
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      dougymi, JoanMar

      Vancouver and somebody (not a hockey fan).  The ref dropped the opening puck and the two in the face-off started fighting immediately.  Then hell broke lose with fights all over. Then one coach tried to enter the opposing teams lockerroom.  It was very very ugly.

      "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
      This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

      by MTmofo on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:50:15 AM PST

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      •  Yeah, sometimes the emotions (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        grover

        carry over from a previous game in Hockey.  It's not the first or last time a fight will happen on the opening faceoff.

        I don't like fighting in hockey, but I prefer it to guys swinging their sticks over other guys heads or trying to gash them with the razor blades on their feet.  Fighting has a purpose in hockey, and if you remove it the game will get a lot more violent/ugly.

        And it's not like it's "allowed".  It does carry a major (5 minute) penalty, but since it takes 2 to tango, there is usually no manpower loss to either team.  Third man into a fight is usually kicked out of the game and subject to a suspension.  Egregious acts usually result in some sort of suspension.

        •  Ding ding ding! (2+ / 0-)
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          terrybuck, tampaedski

          We have a winner!

          I don't like fighting in hockey, but I prefer it to guys swinging their sticks over other guys heads or trying to gash them with the razor blades on their feet.  Fighting has a purpose in hockey, and if you remove it the game will get a lot more violent/ugly.
          Hockey players are armed with weapons (those sharp skates can be used for ill purposes too), they move very fast, and stuff happens quickly.

          Most of the time, guys drop their gloves, pound on pads a few times, pull jerseys over the other guy's head and the refs (and other players) stop the fight. It's a way to vent.

          Immature? Yup. Harmless. Usually.

          Serious injuries in hockey almost always result NOT from fights but from horrible cheap shots, and usually not when it's a bunch of guys battling it out at the boards but in open-ice situations or one player coming up and boarding another.

          In other words, what most people think are the most violent and dangerous things about hockey aren't.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:51:21 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Controlled, acceptable violence in hockey. (2+ / 0-)
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          terrybuck, poco

          Basketball and the NFL? Not acceptable. Thugs on the loose!
          I wonder why the double standards.

          Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

          by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:34:27 AM PST

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          •  Welp, there are a few black dudes in hockey. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            JoanMar

            Not a total double standard!

            (I do think having weapons in your hands makes a difference. If they have NBA players swords, they might tolerate more fistfights. Not saying this is a good thing, mind you, just a theory.)

            (Swords might make it difficult  to keep intact game balls in stock... Good for the economy? Maybe we should give it a try? )

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:29:59 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  Yet in the Olympics there is no fighting, nor is (0+ / 0-)

          there attempts to gash people with sticks or skates.  I've heard apologists for NHL's constant fighting make your argument for years, but they can never explain why such fighting isn't present when it comes to the Olympics.

          And yes, it is like it's "allowed".  If NHL players did what they do on the streets rather than on a rink, they'd be arrested for assault.  The NHL is a defacto "sanctioning body" for fighting, just like boxy sanctioning bodies, but they pretend not to be.

        •  And McSorley nearly killed Brashear (0+ / 0-)

          when he hit him in the head with his stick, because Brashear was ignoring his whishes to fight rather than play hockey.  McSorley said, "I didn't mean to hurt him that bad, I just wanted to fight".  Just typing that out, I can't help but shake my head at how utterly stupid that sounds.

          McSorley was banned and convicted of criminal assault, but it's the NHL's culture of violence that led to that incident.

          Meanwhile some claim Sherman is a "thug", as if he's in the same class as the likes of McSorley.

      •  I have some pretty strong opinions about this. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        JoanMar

        Mostly, it comes down to, I expect that you'll hear Coach Tortorella might be given a mid-winter break.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:07:22 AM PST

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      •  Hadn't even heard of that. Par for the course. (0+ / 0-)

        Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

        by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:32:15 AM PST

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    •  It was Saturday night (2+ / 0-)
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      dougymi, grover

      "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
      This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

      by MTmofo on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:55:00 AM PST

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  •  The reporter he was talking to... (14+ / 0-)

    Erin Andrews, said she "loved it." She knew that he wasn't threatening her or yelling at her. She came away with a memorable interview and her name got more exposure.

    Thank your stars you're not that way/Turn your back and walk away/Don't even pause and ask them why/Turn around and say 'goodbye'/Just wish them well.....

    by Purple Priestess on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:30:15 AM PST

  •  Sorry (2+ / 0-)
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    Egalitare, JoanMar

    "No hint of sarcasm"? I don't think we know that for sure.

    He's a good guy with a charity and all, but I can't root for anyone on Pete (I wrecked USC and then left town) Carroll's roided-up Sea Chickens.

    Having said that, at least Sherman condemned the classless "12th Man" jags who threw stuff at Navarro Bowman as he was carted off the field with a potentially career-ending injury (on a horrendous call by the refs.)

    Yes, I'm a Niner's fan.

  •  not that it affects my opinion of sherman (6+ / 0-)

    , which is positive, either way...but i don't believe for a second that the heavily selectively edited audio and video gives even a smidge of a hint of a suggestion of what actually transpired between the two throughout the game.

    and frankly, i'm insulted that anyone would think that there needs to be some 'reason' or 'justification'....that there was some 'provocation'...to explain the exuberance and vigor of sherman's post-game interview. there are those who are only going to see one thug, or two thugs. they are NEVER going to see sherman as a complex human being capable of joy, deserving of pride in his accomplishment, and dedicated to a job and a sport with appropriate passion and commitment.

    i'm an eagles fan, but i picked the seahawks to win the super bowl in early december. and i wasn't even worried until i saw manning embarrass the pats. good luck!!

    "What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say"~Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by 73rd virgin on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:34:18 AM PST

  •  Well, the good to come out of this non-scandal (15+ / 0-)

    is that we are getting to know a player who could be a real role model for kids.  The guy has a mathematical mind. Watch this video to find out how Sherman uses tapes to interpret and construct plays.  I hope he has a coaching career after he retires as a player.  

  •  Sherman's a great player and person (3+ / 0-)

    and the outrage over his remarks is pretty dumb and overblown.  The racist remarks directed toward him are a million times more offensive than anything Sherman said.

    But he does have a history of not exactly being Mr. Classy on the field, before and after the game.  That reputation long preceded this latest incident.  Just look up his post game taunting of Tom Brady and Trent Williams last year.

    That's within Sherman's right to talk trash.  But he shouldn't be surprised that he's not exactly well liked by a lot of non-Seahawk fans.  If Peyton Manning were to go in front of reporters after the Super Bowl and ranted about Richard Sherman being a sorry, mediocre cornerback, you don't think that would rub a lot of folks, and particularly Seahawk fans, the wrong way?

    And by the way, a lot of folks hated John McEnroe specifically for his temper tantrums.  

    "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

    by puakev on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 12:58:44 AM PST

    •  There is more to the "You mad bro?" story (2+ / 0-)
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      JoanMar, Charles CurtisStanley

      Brady was talking smack before the game and told Sherman to see him after the game when the Patriots won.  So Sherman made a point to see Brady after the game.

    •  Trent Williams deserves it (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Charles CurtisStanley

      He has entirely too much to say and his team was last year's media darling.

      •  So Trent Williams deserved what he got (0+ / 0-)

        because he talks too much, but when Sherman gets criticism for talking too much, he's a poor victim?  Makes perfect sense.

        "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

        by puakev on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:55:58 AM PST

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        •  Trent Williams is garbage (0+ / 0-)

          He has an overinflated opinion about his own skills, plays for an all-hype no-talent franchise, and refused to take his beating quietly vs. the Eagles this year when he mouthed off to a ref and was put in his place.

    •  Eh, it's Brady's wife that talks (0+ / 0-)

      Trash

      Gisele Bundchen, the Brazilian supermodel wife of New England Patriots QB Tom Brady, all but blamed the Pats' receivers for the team's Super Bowl loss to the Giants.

      "You [need] to catch the ball when you're supposed to catch the ball," Bundchen said in a video posted on TheInsider.com.

      "My husband cannot ----ing throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time," she said after fans jeered about Brady at her. "I can't believe they dropped the ball so many times."

      Though Bundchen, 31, didn't name names, it was clear she was talking about Aaron Hernandez, Deion Branch and Wes Welker, all of whom dropped crucial passes.

      What? Talking trash is when you talk smack about the OTHER team?

      Oh.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:40:46 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  So Sherman talking trash = Brady's wife (0+ / 0-)

        talking trash?  I'm not Tom Brady's biggest fan, but really, you're kind of reaching there.

        "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

        by puakev on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:52:33 AM PST

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        •  Oh come ON! (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Mostel26

          I posted that because it's funny.

          Holy moly, the sanctity in this room is thick today.

          SMH.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 11:08:13 AM PST

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  •  Didn't vote. Sherman is human (2+ / 0-)
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    Maverick80229, grover

    And like all of us, complex and inconsistent. Sports at a high level is as much psychological as physical. The "hate" expressed for an opponent is almost always temporary and is a tool to focus attention and energy to the task at hand.

    As a 49er fan, I concede that Sherman is currently one of the best in the business. It don't have to like it, though. ;-)

    Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 01:29:48 AM PST

  •  Hyperbole much? (9+ / 0-)

    Sherman may indeed be a "greater" than "amazing" human being (as your title suggests).  I don't know the man, so I will leave that dubious judgment up to those who do.  But what I do know is that his post-game interviews were an embarrassment.  I have coached youth sports teams for 12 years.  I see my coaching role as not only teaching the kids how to play the game, but also to teach them about concepts like sportsmanship; winning with class and losing with class.  If one of my 12 year old players was publicly insulting a player on the other team after the game, I would be disappointed in his childish behavior and I would pull him aside and encourage him to take a more mature approach.  I get that Sherman was excited after his big play and that he and Crabtree have history, but I would still expect more from a 12 year old.  Sherman's statements were childish and embarrassing.

    •  What kind of liberal are you? (3+ / 0-)
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      Yoshimi, exlrrp, Tonedevil

      You're supposed to be defending this poor mistreated man. Nah, you're right; he looked like a jerk. I'd compare it to me over-reacting and screaming at my kid for something or other. Understandable but not acceptable.

      We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

      by PowWowPollock on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 02:48:35 AM PST

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    •  Great comment. (3+ / 0-)
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      We shouldn't excuse this behavior and I've lost a lot of respect for people who have.

    •  I am willing to bet that there's precious little (0+ / 0-)

      you could teach Sherman.
      People make childish and embarrassing comments everyday and don't get called "ni***r" and "lowlife."

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:52:39 AM PST

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    •  And that is why Sherman apologized. (0+ / 0-)

      I think he likely agrees with your assessment of his own behavior, Coach.

      It sounds like you're doing great work out there. Your players are lucky to have you.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:45:44 AM PST

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  •  I thank Richard Sherman (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Charles CurtisStanley

    ...........because he sent Kaepernick home!

  •  Good morning Sis (9+ / 0-)

    (I know you may not be awake yet)

    Thanks for this - since I don't follow much (or any) football news - I didn't even see this story - nor had I ever heard of his foundation.

    Now - thanks to you (or not really thanks to those who have blown up this incident - since I had to reset my news searches for sports) I've been introduced to a young man who is giving back to the community.

    Tipped, rec'ed and republished

    "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

    by Denise Oliver Velez on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 03:28:32 AM PST

  •  I assume he's at least a median-fine human being (2+ / 0-)
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    smirking, Tonedevil

    The problem, insofar as there's a problem (and, of course, there's not) isn't trash-talking.  It was that he directed it at a particular person, rather than a team, or better yet, the next team he would be playing.  That's what trash talking is supposed to be--not getting pissed at a particular player you just played against.  The other problem (sic) was that he made that his #1 item when asked about the game. Clearly it was his #1 item, but that's not really ideal.  

    There's a difference between saying this is a silly non-issue and that he didn't do anything crappy.  He did do something crappy.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 03:42:01 AM PST

    •  No, it wasn't his #1 when asked about the game (3+ / 0-)

      He was asked about the play itself, not the game

      ttranscript

      Andrews: "The final play, take me through it."

      Sherman: "Well, I'm the best corner in the game! When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree, that's the result you gonna get! Don't you ever talk about me!"

      Andrews: "Who was talking about you?"

      Sherman: "Crabtree! Don't you open your mouth about the best, or I'm gonna shut it for you real quick! LOB!" (That's a reference to the Seattle defense's nickname, )

      I had to look up what he said because it sounded like he must have said really wretched things I didn't know about.

      Sounds like he called out Crabtree because Crabtree was talking about/treah talking him
      as players do

      So he got caught being all hyped up right after the game and sounded dumb. But he didn't threaten anyone or swear at them, nothing.

      On a scale of crappy that doesn't rate very high. If a kid I parented or coached acted that way I would surely correct them
      but I'm guessing he doesn't need much correction now. It's not his habit and I'm pretty sure he got it.

      I can't say for sure how I or anyone would act right in that moment. I can imagine if someone was trash talking on the field and man I stopped him and we won that game, showed that sucker, HA! kind of high
      and then got asked about the game...

      No it wasn't classy
      we aren't always classy
      it was classier than the twitter response though

      I vote the interview as  a silly non-issue
      it's the racial response that's not so silly and is an issue
      for some reason it reminds me of a bunch of comments I read after Whitney Houston died
      really hateful, racist and out of place.

      It isn't hateful and racist to think it wasn't a good interview etc
      but the ape,#igger, thug parts...

      •  The Irony of his Statement Being (0+ / 0-)

        if He were as talented an athelete as Michael Crabtree, he'd be a wide receiver.

        I agree this controversy is waaay overblown... but I've seen more digital ink wasted in defense of Sherman than I have attacking him.

      •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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        joynow

        Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

        by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 08:00:21 AM PST

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      •  If you think that's an appropriate answer... (2+ / 0-)
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        Darmok, grover

        ....to "The final play, take me through it," then I don't really have a response to that.  

        Again, the failure to distinguish between "this isn't a big deal" and "he didn't say anything wrong" is a mystery to me, but since it's not a big deal, I suppose failures of understanding that come from it shouldn't be a big deal either.  Except that it exemplifies the wider progressive weirdness of rescuing people from undeserved demonization by lionizing them.

        Anyway, the hell with all of this. You're making me feel like David Brooks.

        It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

        by Rich in PA on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 08:05:08 AM PST

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        •  If you think I said that was an appropriate answer (0+ / 0-)

          then I don't have much of a response either.

          I was just clarifying that it was not a response to being asked about the game since part of your post was about what a bad answer that was to the game.

          Since I said his answer was dumb and not classy and something I'd correct someone I had charge of
          not sure how that is a rescue or saying he didn't say anything wrong
          But it sure wasn't as wrong as I expected when I looked it up considering the reaction to it. I really thought he must have made a threat or something
          not just sounded dumb.

          However to avoid judgement if I am ever in a game leading to super bowl if we win and make some big play that makes possible our victory and get grabbed for an interview a couple minutes later I will be very, very dignified. I will speak in calm, quiet tones.

    •  I didn't know that there was a book of rules for (0+ / 0-)

      trash talking. I thought the only off limit topics were the opposing player's family - his mother, wife and children.
      Everything else is fair game.

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 07:59:19 AM PST

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  •  Do you care to make an excuse for his choke (5+ / 0-)

    gesture? Was this because he was the top of his class or because of all the great stuff he has donated?

    One can be nuanced enough to say, "hey he's smart off the field but did something dumb on the field." He should work on that and hopefully as he matures he'll be a great role model.

    One could also be nuanced enough to say, "Hey he was pretty selfish out there on the field but he also gives to charity."

    No excuses. Treat him like a human and a role model - not a god who can do no wrong.

    •  I know I was sleepy when I wrote this... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...but I don't think "god" is in the title, is it?
      He was selfish when he picked a ball and directed it to his teammate? When he won the game for a team and city?
      How was he selfish? Giving his all for his team and the game?
      I wish more people would be as selfish as Richard Sherman.

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 08:07:26 AM PST

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    •  It's just like Reggie Miller when he did the same (0+ / 0-)

      thing to the Knicks.  :)
      This is entertainment.
      Like in the movie Gladiator,

      "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?  ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?  IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?"
      Not sure why you're so upset (you've made many posts about this) or why you want everyone to be emotionless Vulcans.  What, you a niner fan?  lol
  •  Yes, I do remember McEnroe. (2+ / 0-)
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    He was as much an ass as Sherman.

    Hell, I think Bill Gates is a total ass as well, and he's out there getting half of Africa inoculated and schooled and whatever.

    It's possible to be lucky genetically, parlay that luck by training intensely to play a game that overpays its players obscenely, take a lot of that money and use it for charities, and still be an ass.

    Hockey players who start fights should be suspended for a half season, those who do it three times should be banned from playing.

    Ditto 'trash-talkers', steroid takers, and anybody else who sneers at the notion of 'sportsmanship' in sports.

    •  That philosophy should govern every other (0+ / 0-)

      field of endeavor. The political world, the media world, the military world, the business world, the blogging world...everybody, right?
      Surely you wouldn't demand this level of perfection only from athletes?

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 08:12:06 AM PST

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    •  Speaking of Bill Gates, (1+ / 0-)
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      The man has a bazillion dollars. His new heavy thick black plastic glasses make him look like über-nerd. It's not a look for everyone.

      Maybe that's the look he was going for: smart nerdy philanthropist vs suave billionaire, but I would think he could do better than the Walmart optical department.

      Sorry, totally off topic, but I just saw him on Charlie Rose the last two nights, and it's bugged me.

      Anyhow, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

      Wrt to your comment, I think that trash talkers are speed bumps and steroid takers are Mt Rainer when it comes to levels of badness.

      Serial dog killers, rapists and murderers are the Himalayan Mountains.

      As long as professional sports have mountains playing within, I'm not going to lose sleep over speed bumps, as annoying as they are.  

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 10:58:57 AM PST

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  •  My favorite was when one asshole, a (white) (6+ / 0-)

    reporter asked Andrews if she feared for her safety!!!

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 04:31:34 AM PST

  •  Why is Sherman "thug"? (6+ / 0-)

    I find Peyton Manning one of the most condescending and smug athletes I've ever seen.  But he's generally revered.  The choke gesture was not cool, but compared to DUI's, domestic battery, and murderers does it really rise to such a level of outrage?

    And, like players who fight in hockey game, the choke gesture was penalized.  If he did earlier in the game it could have been a bad penalty to take.  At the end of the game it made little difference.

    Yeah, the NFL could use more thugs like Richard Sherman.  I'm now rooting for the Seahawks.

  •  The whole thing reminded me of 'Macho Man' Savage (2+ / 0-)
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    dougymi, Ozy

    going off on the Ultimate Warrior in front of 'Mean' Gene Okerlund.

  •  He Said it Best it was "Immature" (8+ / 0-)

    I saw his rant mostly as a cringeworthy display of narcicissm, but oddly enough a few days afterwords, I've come away with a better appreciation of the guy precisely because of what he did after the fact. He owned up to his true offense, which was to make himself up to be bigger than the team and just general immaturity.

    That word, immaturity was the perfect word to explain his actions. You can be brilliantly smart, but I unless you've got a clinical disorder, all of us have trouble controlling our emotions in our younger years. When I saw the Richard Sherman interview, my first thought was, "Oh geeez. What an self centered asshole."

    My second thought was, "Wait. I think I was like that once myself. Ouch. I'm glad there weren't any cameras around."

    It sounds like he's well on his way to that better personhood. If he is, then I hope this isn't an incident that sets him back.

  •  I thought he embarassed himself and his team (4+ / 0-)
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    smirking, jhecht, TooFolkGR, Tonedevil

    he ran his mouth and talked trash. You can explain it any way you want but it was really poor sportsmanship.
    He may be a swell person otherwise but he's a lousy sport

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 05:57:12 AM PST

  •  Thanks, I hear a lot of white privilege & bigotry (5+ / 0-)
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    JoanMar, Ozy, grover, poco, jennybravo

    Against a young man who overcame terrible odds to be successful. M

    Let your haters be your motivator.

    Tipped & rec'ed

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:00:09 AM PST

    •  You got it, a2. (3+ / 0-)
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      grover, poco, jennybravo

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 08:14:57 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's particularly subtle. (0+ / 0-)

      But I'm starting to cringe more and more when I see people posting about 'class' and 'sportsmanship'. As if these nebulous 'rules' generated by mainstream society are somehow immune from further examination.

      Sportsmanship should be about making the game fun for both the players and the watchers. That's why we don't want dirty plays and fighting. Sure, you don't want the game stopped because two players are engaged in screaming insults at each other.

      But a little after-game trash talk, well deserved by all the reports of Crabtree's prior behavior?

      What's the harm? Does anyone really think Crabtree's feelings were hurt?

  •  My only complaint... (2+ / 0-)
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    Charles CurtisStanley, JoanMar

    as I wrote on Facebook a few days ago, was given that he went to Stanford, I just wish he'd used Stanford-level taunting, like calling Crabtree a mountebank or a rapscallion.

    Can we at least have some intelligent insults, people?

    :-P

  •  The best thing he did (3+ / 0-)

    was taking the pressure and spotlight off of Russell Wilson (my favorite player).

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 06:55:41 AM PST

  •  A fine athlete. A fine man. (3+ / 0-)

    http://www.nfl.com/...

    Take a look at that video. How the media can take that little snippet and the public can call him a thug because of that is pure bullshit.

    This better be good. Because it is not going away.

    by DerAmi on Thu Jan 23, 2014 at 08:36:38 AM PST

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