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Originally posted to Comics on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 02:50 PM PST.

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  •  Oh and... (10+ / 0-)

    Paying all that money for a really crappy game - priceless.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

    by RichM on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 02:59:51 PM PST

    •  entertain them (0+ / 0-)

      Keep the masses entertained and the 1%ers can have the world they dream of. ie cheap labor and lots of         profits.

      Guns, wal marts and sit coms nothing entertains Americans more than those three. ok sports a distant forth.

  •  Why I didn't watch and stopped following football (7+ / 0-)

    ...a long, long time, ago.

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:04:10 PM PST

  •  OMG priceless. (2+ / 0-)
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    Puddytat, JuliathePoet

    No way.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:05:28 PM PST

  •  Says it all! (6+ / 0-)

    I think we were ALL shocked to find that the NFL isn't paying a penny in taxes.  Time for that to end.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:09:24 PM PST

    •  The teams are. (1+ / 0-)
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      Scioto

      Anyone know how much money is contained in the non-profit organization vs. the 'for profit' teams, that are taxed?

      •  This is embarrassing (1+ / 0-)
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        The Termite

        I expect misleading information from the right wing, but I expect more from progressives.  DKos has been a big offender in this misleading campaign, unfortunately.

        There are huge issues to go after the NFL and pro sports in general, which are more important and involve a lot more money.  

        Here's an article at ESPN from last summer that explains it.

        "The NFL League Office is a not-for-profit organization. The NFL League Office receives funding from the 32 member clubs to cover its non-revenue overhead activities such as office rent, League Office salaries and game officiating. In addition, the NFL League Office collects revenues on behalf of the 32 member clubs and distributes those revenues to the clubs. All national revenues (e.g. broadcast TV payments) collected and paid to the member clubs, as well as local revenues earned individually by the clubs, are subject to tax at the club level."
        Bolding is mine.
        Congress' Joint Committee on Taxation recently estimated it [additional tax revenue if exemption removed] at $109 million over the next 10 years.
        I think I've seen the DKos petition on this implying that the NFL should be paying taxes and that their annual revenue is $10 billion.  That makes it seem like they should be paying much more than $10.9 million of annual taxes.  If you add up what the clubs are paying, yes it probably is more than 10.9.  
        If the NFL were to lose its tax exemption, it would then be eligible for a host of business-related tax deductions that would offset some of the league's taxable income.
        As I said, there are other valid issues that are more important, but I guess don't fit on a bumper sticker.  I'd like to see some figures on how much tax money is lost every year on the millions of dollars of deductions that are taken as "business expenses" for private boxes and ridiculously expensive tickets, for starters.
        •  How much is the NFL Commissioner paid? (3+ / 0-)

          How about the other execs?

          Name one real non profit that came cough up that kind of coin for their executives.

          On top of that, licensure deals also bring megabucks, something nonprofits don't collect either.

          Time for some tax payments from the NFL.

          There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

          by Puddytat on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:43:29 PM PST

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          •  What problem (1+ / 0-)
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            Scioto

            are you trying to fix? Do you think the commissioner would be paid less if it was a non-profit organization? I grant you, it's an insane amount of money, though salaries above $1M of the top non-profits are not all that uncommon. And presumably those salaries are taxed.

            Do you think licensing deals would bring less profit to the teams if the NFL organization was non-profit? The large majority of money brought into the NFL is taxed.

            Just curious what problem this diary is trying to solve.

            •  It's NOT a non-profit organization (2+ / 0-)
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              NonnyO, JuliathePoet

              They should pony up their taxes just like everyone else.

              There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

              by Puddytat on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 08:12:29 PM PST

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              •  And the NFL does (0+ / 0-)

                on the vast majority of their income, contrary to your original post. Most of the money in football, by a large margin, is passed down to the individual teams, which are not non-profit, and which do pay taxes.

                So, on annual revenue of $10B dollars, we are 'shorted' by about $10 million in taxes each year if you would change the part of the NFL that is non-profit.

                That's 0.1%. So, they are effectively paying a rate 0.1% lower than they otherwise would.

                And that assumes the income/revenue/tax deductions would remain the same which already has been pointed out is unlikely to be true.

                •  That's right up there with the (1+ / 0-)
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                  JuliathePoet

                  claim that if we don't give tax cuts to business they won't "create" any jobs or that tax cuts to the rich trickles down.

                  In the same light, you could argue that McDonalds as a corporation shouldn't pay taxes because their franchises do.

                  It just doesn't fly.

                  There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                  by Puddytat on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 08:33:18 PM PST

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                  •  What? (0+ / 0-)

                    I didn't say anything about 'should' or 'shouldn't'. I'm pushing back on your statement that the NFL doesn't pay a cent on its taxes, when reality is, at best, they get a break of about 0.1%.

                    And they do this by taking advantage of the same statute that gives the United Chess Federation tax exempt status. Should we just yank exempt status from all of those organizations too?

                    I personally don't care one way or the other about the tax status of the NFL organization. However, I DO care about accuracy, and many people are getting it wrong about this topic.

                    •  Nobody's getting it wrong (1+ / 0-)
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                      JuliathePoet

                      If the Chess Federation was as in the chips as the NFL, I'd be demanding they pay taxes too.

                      What we have, though, are football fans who believe the NFL is sacred and untouchable.  They aren't.

                      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                      by Puddytat on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 12:14:39 AM PST

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                      •  Your statement (0+ / 0-)

                        'They don't pay a cent of taxes'

                        is 100%, unequivocally, no question about it, wrong.

                        So yes, people are getting it wrong.

                        And you still haven't acknowledged getting it wrong, but instead reinforce it with statements like "I'd be demanding they pay taxes too", which indicates that you don't think the NFL pays taxes. Which, as has been pointed out, what, 3 or 4 times now...is wrong.

  •  Best ad so far! (3+ / 0-)
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    WakeUpNeo, JuliathePoet, Puddytat

    We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

    by occupystephanie on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:11:10 PM PST

  •  Watching Christie booed by the fans, priceless. (5+ / 0-)

    eom

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    by Kimball Cross on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:11:36 PM PST

  •  is baseball a non-profit too? (0+ / 0-)

    if not, how did NFL get that status when other sports might not be??!!

    "You can't think and surf at the same time" Yogi Surfdog

    by surfdog on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:18:30 PM PST

  •  Keith Obermann was right... (1+ / 0-)
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    Puddytat

    10 reasons not to watch the superbowl

    the game sucks!

    "You can't think and surf at the same time" Yogi Surfdog

    by surfdog on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:20:09 PM PST

    •  Especially if you're a Manning/Denver fan (0+ / 0-)

      Otherwise, go suck a lemon. ;-)

      What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

      by TerryDarc on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 04:27:25 PM PST

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  •  I AM DYING (1+ / 0-)
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    gfv6800

    Read this chapter that I am thinking about writing.

    I am playing my music too loud in your opinion, and it so offends you, that you shoot at me while I am sitting in a car with 3 of my friends who happen to be Black. Your bullet hits me in the chest and in the head. I am wounded and I know I am dying.
      Yeah sometimes when my mother thought I was playing my music too loud in my bedroom, my mother would say... "Boy if you do not turn that music down" and that was all she needed to say. Her words were enough and it was my mother, whom I dearly love. My mother is a good mother and so is my father. They raised me right. I am respectful to senior citizens and to my teachers and to my neighbors and to young ladies. I do not drink and I have never done drugs. I want to graduate from high school and attend college. I know I will not do that now because I am dying.
      I remember seeing portions of a movie on TV called American Graffiti. I watched as those students played their music and some of it was loud perhaps. Yet no one threatened nor raised a gun and shot in their car to do them bodily harm. It was not important at the time but now that I think back on those movie scenes all of the students were White. I wonder if that is why the man shot into the car where I was sitting? Are racist attitudes and racism that prevalent today that you will kill me because of your perception of music too loud? If I was breaking the law why not call the police? Is playing music against the law? I heard some kids the other day playing Madonna, some might have thought it was loud. I did not.
      All of that is moot I guess. Playing music is not in my future. Only a homicide detective...the medical examiner...the funeral director...a cemetery. I wonder if my parents will give the funeral director my favorite Blue suit and my new shoes I just got for my birthday. I do not know how it works and I cannot ask anyone. This dying sucks. I will miss my family and my friends and my classmates and my school and my church and my neighborhood and my girlfriend and my room and my favorite foods.
    All this because my music was too loud? Really?

    Like I said I was thinking about writing this but I changed my mind. Not realistic. Plus, no one would believe this. Sounds too much like fiction.

    •  You should try cartooning (0+ / 0-)

      It might be your strength.

      What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

      by TerryDarc on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 04:28:54 PM PST

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  •  Nailed it! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    TerryDarc, Puddytat

    Marx was an optimist.

    by psnyder on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:41:07 PM PST

  •  Never sacrifice truth at the altar of humor (2+ / 0-)
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    The Termite, Puddytat

    How much of the Superbowl's revenue goes to the NFL? Certainly not all or even most of the items this cartoon lists.

    The TV network sells the advertising; they are taxed. The game host sells the tickets, parking, food, and merchandise. I don't know the specifics but I imagine that is split between the host team and host city. The individual teams are for-profit entities and pay taxes. The money earned by the municipality goes to public benefit.

    Those who ignore the future are condemned to repeat it.

    by enigmamf on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 03:59:45 PM PST

  •  Keef, I wouldn't have thought (0+ / 0-)

    you were a football fan. snark

    What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

    by TerryDarc on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 04:26:04 PM PST

  •  keef, you're brilliant (1+ / 0-)
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    Puddytat

    Love your work. SO glad you're here.

    Hugs.

    English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

    by Youffraita on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 04:48:13 PM PST

  •  Next time......this should be hysterical (0+ / 0-)

    ~Arianna_Editrix-- I willingly accept Cassandra’s fate, To speak the truth, altho’ believ’d too late

    by Arianna Editrix on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 04:56:39 PM PST

  •  The Concussion Scandal, (3+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO, WakeUpNeo, Puddytat

    referee lock outs, tax payer subsidized stadiums, bogus reports on job creation by NFL teams.

    Sorry, the NFL and pro sports has lost me. Screw the health of the players, screw the public, it is all about money.

    Billionaires need more, more more.

    I think this is a winning issue that would resonate with low information/casual voters.

    Great cartoon, I agree with it.

    •  Three alone in Minnesota (2+ / 0-)
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      WakeUpNeo, Puddytat
      tax payer subsidized stadiums
      The third one hasn't even been built yet.  Last time I had my TV on months ago (I've since turned it off permanently), they were still arguing about where to locate it and how much extra work would have to be done for traffic access.  Aaaaand, while the plan was for a stadium with no dome, they were still arguing about making a stadium with a retractable roof so the boys could play in inclement weather.  [The Metrodome collapsed under the weight of snow several years ago and had to be replaced.]

      The first two stadiums were completed, and the baseball one has statues of some allegedly famous players out front.  One of those "players" held a gun to his wife's head (or maybe it was his mistress whose apartment was paid for by him?  Or both?), he beat up both of them, I remember that.  Yeah, some "nice guy."  In spite of repeated emails asking who paid for those statues to be made, no one has ever answered me.  [That tells me no one wants to admit those statue costs and installations were paid for by taxpayers.]

      Our fucking legislature can close the state government down because they were mad that a Dem was elected when the legislature was Repuke for the first time in many decades, they slashed funding for education and Medicaid..., but the fucking football players got approval - and state tax dollars! for their fucking stadium.

      Some priorities!

      Even the Dem governor favored the fucking stadiums being built with state tax dollars because = jobs.  Who would pay the construction workers' salaries wasn't noted, but presumably our state taxes.  [He and the legislators neglected to say construction jobs are temporary, of course.]

      The only good things one can say about our governor now is that he favors higher taxes for people like him who are rich, and he loves, loves, loves his dogs.

      The owner of the football team has a penthouse apartment in NY worth millions (or was it billions?).  The players are paid gazillions.  They can all afford to take a pay cut to pay for their fucking sandbox AND pay taxes on top of that.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Tue Feb 04, 2014 at 08:44:10 PM PST

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  •  "Non- Profit" (1+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO

     "Non profit" is really a matter of how you cook the books.

  •  yeah.. and let's get the churches off of our backs (0+ / 0-)

    they suck $100 billion out of the economy with their free tax ride.. TAX RELIGION NOW!

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