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The event was meant to explore the age old question, “How did we get here?” from the perspectives of faith and science.

Ham, an Australian native who has built a thriving ministry in Kentucky, said he trusts the story of creation presented by the Bible.

“The Bible is the word of God,” Ham said. “I admit that’s where I start from.”

Nye, true to his TV persona, delivered a passionate defense of science and challenged the museum’s teachings on the age of the earth and the Bible’s flood story.

“If we accept Mr. Ham’s point of view ... that the Bible serves as a science text and he and his followers will interpret that for you, I want you to consider what that means,” Nye said. “It means that Mr. Ham’s word is to be more respected than what you can observe in nature, what you can find in your backyard in Kentucky.”

Every child need to watch this, hands down.  Full video below.

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  •  what's with the built in delay at the beginning (6+ / 0-)

    of the video? That's not a youtube thing, it's built in.

    I think what it's about is that when you go to Ham's website and click on the debate you'll get the same thing, but you can go right into the other site features without delay, including Ham and an associate answering questions after the debate, un-rebutted.  It's how they do shit.

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

    by nailbender on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 05:33:52 AM PST

  •  I've always thought here (8+ / 0-)


    the real target audience for Nye,

    were the young impressible minds,

    -- aka. the future inventors, the future engineers,

    the Future, itself.


    thanks of the links, icebergslim.

  •  I smiled all the way through (5+ / 0-)

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 05:36:14 AM PST

  •  Gotta give Nye credit. He was the underdog. (2+ / 0-)
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    After all, he was going up against a master debater.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 05:58:34 AM PST

  •  What is especially important is that (3+ / 0-)

    Ham immediately starts with defining or re-defining the fundamental words.

    He also accuses "secularists" of "hijacking" the terms of science.

    Of course "secular" has been hijacked and re-interpreted as "atheist".

    Nye starts out well.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 06:08:46 AM PST

  •  What's an ICYMI? nt (3+ / 0-)
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    Denise Oliver Velez, David54, geez53

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 06:21:12 AM PST

  •  thanks for posting this (2+ / 0-)
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    Ohiodem1, geez53

    am going to show it in class next week

    "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

    by Denise Oliver Velez on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 06:21:44 AM PST

  •  As I've posted elsewhere (2+ / 0-)
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    pvasileff, gffish

    Nye does well in this event, better than I had hoped to be sure. I still cant help but see it in the end as a victory for Ham.

    Not because he has the better claim of course, his ideas are patently absurd, but rather by granting YEC's equivalence on the stage.

    I don't think Bill has a ghost of a chance of talking any YEC out of their mindset,and mainstream xians aren't going to care about this debate because even they don't believe Ham is right.

    Ham's beliefs are held by only a very tiny, fundamentalist minority that hold science and scientists in such disdain that anything they claim is immediately held in deep contempt.

    That's not so easily overcome.

    Religion is like a blind man, in a pitch black room, searching for a black cat that isn't there.....and finding it.

    by fauxrs on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 07:05:06 AM PST

  •  The problem that Ken Ham and his ilk have: (3+ / 0-)
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    They are positing a static interpretation of the Bible and "God's Law" on a dynamic world.
    The Bible , in spite of their claims is a story of evolution.
    Christianity has evolved over the centuries, and that evolution has accelerated in the last 50 years.
    The religious right is a political cult, which is attempting to hijack Christianity for purposes of establishing authoritarian political power, and using Orwellian methods of "group-think" to achieve their objective.
    The religious right can be depicted as a pyramid, with Dominionists at the top, rabid evangelicals and fundamentalists in the middle, and some of the members of mainstream congregations being pulled into it on the bottom.
    The problem with their agenda and their method of brainwashing, their Achilles heel, is the static, ahistorical nature of it.
    Societies evolve. They're in constant flux. This is their natural state and they cannot be contained except temporarily by rigid coercion.  As knowledge has grown about the natural world, even non-atheists have adapted their concept of God to fit what they know about the world. As people leave home, study foreign cultures, go abroad and live with other cultures, they have to come to grips with the xenophobic/racist/ethnocentric nature of the "Abrahamic" religious tradition.
    If they study theology, they become aware of how syncretic Christianity is, how it reflects knowledge of Mithraism, the Orphic mystery cults, etc., in addition to Judaism, which connects back to Zoroastrianism.
    Etc.
    So this New Age Fundamentalism represented by Ham posits this nonsensical, narrow interpretation of the Bible (necessitated by the absolutism of the idea that abortion is murder and the existential threats of Islamic fundamentalism and atheism) like a lariat, trying to rope in the wild steer of evolving religious culture.
    The problem for them is that it's a very brittle, weak rope.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 07:07:40 AM PST

  •  Shorter Ken Hamm (0+ / 0-)

    because reasons....

    The Republican party has become the politburo of capitalism. It seeks to direct the direction this country is going NO MATTER WHAT WE THE PEOPLE THINK.

    by tarminian on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 07:10:23 AM PST

  •  Some on line Christian site had an on line poll (2+ / 0-)
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    houyhnhnm, gffish

    Nye won 92%-8%, so I guess it wasn't a fundie site

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 07:51:57 AM PST

  •  If life on Earth was destroyed, (2+ / 0-)
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    along with all of its writings (including religious texts), and an extra terrestrial civilization discovered it, what would they conclude about the earth?  That it was 6,000 years old when it was destroyed?  that the hand of a mysterious "God" destroyed it?  Or rather, that it was a planet approximately 4.5 billion years old when life was destroyed by its lifeform's own ignorance?

    ''The guarding of military and diplomatic secrets at the expense of informed representative government provides no real security for our Republic.'' - Justice Hugo L. Black of the Supreme Court

    by geekydee on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 09:20:02 AM PST

    •  Not ignorance ..... willful stupidity. (3+ / 0-)
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      Ignorance is just the lack of knowledge. And it would be difficult/impossible for any one human to know everything knowable at any given time. But if you need it or want it, you can find it.

      The real danger, to all of us, is this resurgence in willful stupidity. Meaning there are things you can know and understand, but refuse to because of some intractable belief.

      21st Century America: The distracted, superficial perception of a virtual reality. Gettov Milawn

      by geez53 on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 09:55:18 AM PST

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  •  Strange concurrence....... (0+ / 0-)

    Was re-watching Powder while trying to track down the full video of this debate. [i would strongly recommend reversing that order. The mind set imposed by the movie makes Ham's 30 min. "argument" nearly impossible to set through.]

    One of the truths of the movie, as explained by the hero, is that we are all connected to each other and every thing around us. And the only reason some don't see that, is the inability to see past "a spot" in our head. That "spot" is a filter comprised of ego, hubris, greed, ignorance and lack of intellectual curiosity. The debate reveals a truth that that "spot" is not dissipating.

    The most egregious part of Ham's presentation was the use of a PhD. astronomer who believed and rationalized his own 6000-year-old "spot" and no one has clawed back his PhD. It's already hard enough to push (l)iberal education when there are too many instances, like this twit, who prove there are times when there is no difference between vellum and toilet paper.

    21st Century America: The distracted, superficial perception of a virtual reality. Gettov Milawn

    by geez53 on Wed Feb 05, 2014 at 10:40:02 AM PST

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