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Originally posted to Comics on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 06:50 AM PST.

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  •  Yup, and we're MUCH better in this country... (15+ / 0-)

    When we cut funds to the poor children, we're not doing something frivolous like the Olympics!

    We're making certain that our corporations keep their profits up!

    And uh, something about motivating the kids to help themselves.

    /snark

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:05:23 AM PST

    •  depends who you ask (3+ / 0-)
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      brasilaaron, TerryDarc, sponson

      I doubt that many gay people would prefer to live in Russia rather than the U.S., and if I had to choose to be a poor child in the U.S. or Russia, I'd still choose the U.S. despite our problems.

      But it doesn't require nearly as much thought or effort to say we're equally bad.  Seems to make some folks feel more enlightened as well, even though they're just exposing their ignorance.  

      •  You see countries. (5+ / 0-)

        I see a bunch of rich people screwing the poor.

        Just like everywhere else.  Only difference is that Russia has picked targets we consider unacceptable in this country.

        I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

        by detroitmechworks on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:28:45 AM PST

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        •  You see from your limited point of view (1+ / 0-)
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          I know I'm not nearly as enlightened or caring as you think you are, but I can look at how children and the poor are treated here versus elsewhere and see the differences.  
          Try life as a poor or a gay person in Russia, then get back to us about how we're equally as bad.  Until then you have no idea what you're talking about.  
          There's a huge difference of degree that doesn't fit neatly into your "both sides suck" framework.  

          •  Try living as a Transgender person... (0+ / 0-)

            in this country and we'll talk.

            But please, don't let me stop you from breaking your arm patting yourself on the back for how much BETTER we are than them.

            Because, you know, 1 out of ten is INFINITELY better than 0 out of ten.

            I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

            by detroitmechworks on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:59:11 AM PST

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            •  Thank you! (0+ / 0-)

              I do not like the fact that too many here seem to be content to look at how bad it is in Russia and then dismiss that there are problems here.

              The income gap is widening and if we don't stop it, we will be as bad as Russia. Lets stop pointing finger and get to work.

          •  Why don't you ask a (0+ / 0-)

            starving child in either the US or Russia and see if he or she feels more hungry in Russia or America.  Ask if the garbage they pick through is tastier here or there.  If the sidewalk they sleep on is softer here or there...

      •  motto: America - not as bad as Russia. Fuck Yeah! (1+ / 0-)
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        We're exceptional because we don't stone homosexuals to death in the streets.

        "Tell the truth and run." -- Yugoslav proverb

        by quill on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:02:31 AM PST

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    •  You know, we absolutely *should* (1+ / 0-)
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      pay attention to the plight of children in post-Soviet, neoliberal Russia.

      Because contemporary Russia stands as a pretty good case study for what might happen to the US if the Koch bros., ALEC, and assorted Tea Baggers (to say nothing of Dem deficit hawks) succeed in chipping away at our few remaining social protections.

      We should absolutely train a light on social injustice in Russia, not to feel better about ourselves, but to foreground direction things are already taking in our own country.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 12:39:54 PM PST

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      •  many other countries as well (0+ / 0-)

        For instance, when people are opposed to affordable health care for everyone, I wonder if they have spent time in a developing country.  In those countries even if one is wealthy, the sick provide a clear and present danger.  The social safety net is not there, so even though one might keep more of the money that is earned, one spends more on protection and one often has less ability to move freely. A fatal infection from a scratch during a robbery show no economic borders.

        The same is true in land development.  In the US out tax structure tends to encourage redevelopment of land that is no longer used at it's maximum value.  The exception is land that owned by religious organizations.  But all other land tends to eventually be pushed towards it's best current use.  Sometimes this results in a lost historical value, but I prefer that to the situations in other country where economic growth is paralyzed because an aristocratic family is hanging onto the land and doing nothing with it, limiting the opportunities of the local population to innovate.

    •  In the US, there are SOME people in power (0+ / 0-)

      who want to change that direction, and they still have the freedom to ask voters to support them, and voters still have the freedom to vote differently if they choose.

      In Russia, even the wealthiest businessman or elected leader besides Putin's buddies dare to say anything in contradiction to Putin.  Owners of businesses have been imprisoned and their companies seized.  Others have been murdered OUTSIDE of Russia.  It is just like the old USSR or the Tsar but under another name.

  •  In post-Soviet Russia (10+ / 0-)

    Olympic Games play you!

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:06:10 AM PST

  •  Reminds one of the "Right to Life" propaganda: (8+ / 0-)

    Lots of tear-jerking rhetoric, full of sound and sympathy, signifying NOTHING!

  •  And for all they spent on the Olympics, (3+ / 0-)

    the facilities would still have to be renovated to reach the level of sub-standard.

    A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon. -Bill Clinton

    by PSzymeczek on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:08:39 AM PST

  •  Russians can be real clunkheads (4+ / 0-)
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    Not just Putin.

    Heard on NPR this morning, some brief newscast by some Russian newscaster, speaking in heavily-accented English. I believe I'm getting the quote almost right:

    Gay people have nothing to fear in Russia. They are welcome. Just leave the children alone.
    Yikes. They have a long way to go.

    “Hardworking men and women who are busting their tails in full-time jobs shouldn't be left in poverty.” -- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:11:18 AM PST

  •  Anyone else try to read the cyrillic (1+ / 0-)
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    and got a headache?

    Small varmints, if you will.

    by aztecraingod on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:23:17 AM PST

  •  Didn't recognize him with his shirt on (5+ / 0-)

    Disclaimer: If the above comment can possibly be construed as snark, it probably is.

    by grubber on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 07:29:25 AM PST

  •  this is the first Olympics where I refuse to watch (6+ / 0-)

    I will not be watching any television broadcasts about the Olympics. I will not be watching all the $$$ multi-million ad campaigns. I will not be participating in any online forums dedicated to discussing winner results, athlete news and trivia, or any part of this travesty called the Sochi Olympics.

    The fact that the Olympic Committee failed to pull these Olympics throughout all of Russia's vile rhetoric and policies geared 100% towards strengthening a naked plutocratic Corporate/Putin fascism inside Russia makes watching this spectacle nauseating.

    This post is the only mention I will ever give these particular Olympics. History will not be kind to Putin and this era of Russian History. The liberal intelligentsia inside Russia has been sidelined and greatly marginalized, and the continuing brain drain from Russia will mean the country will struggle in the decades to come. These Olympics may serve as the temporary crown Putin will place on his own head. I will have nothing to do with it.

    •  1936 Munich Olympics Redux? (0+ / 0-)

      We need a GLBT Jesse Owens.

      What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

      by TerryDarc on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:19:07 AM PST

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    •  I love winter sports, but.... (4+ / 0-)

      I, too, will have nothing to do with these Olympics.

      Putin is vile; his fascist state is vile; the commercial entities willing to overlook the Russian policies are vile. And the athletes willing to lend their glory to such a sorry mess should really rethink their goals.

      I am sorry I cannot support the athletes who have worked so hard. But does winning a medal really soothe the conscience?  

      "May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house." - George Carlin

      by Most Awesome Nana on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 08:39:41 AM PST

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      •  Apparently so... (1+ / 0-)
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        But does winning a medal really soothe the conscience?
         
        ... along with the lucrative commercial endorsement packages.

        ("Amateur" sports? Yeah, right.)

      •  Hey (1+ / 0-)
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        Those "amateur" athletes need to earn a living, just like everybody else.

        (I don't mean to put down the athletes.  They work their butts off for years and they get one chance, or at most a few.  There's not a non-Russian athlete in the world who wouldn't prefer to have this somewhere else, and I'm willing to bet plenty of Russian athletes feel the same way.  I do kind of scorn the hypocrisy of calling the major sport Olympic athletes "amateurs", but as professionals, they aren't very well paid unless they hit the very unlikely jackpot and somehow win big in a way that leads to a lot of public adulation/endorsements in a major market.  There are also "world championships" and whatever, but if you're a working class kid who is modestly supported to figure skate on the expectation that you "make your country look good" in the Olympics, you can't be too picky about showing up.)

        •  Then grow a spine and do something else rather (0+ / 0-)

          than:

          "make your country look good" in the Olympics, you can't be too picky about showing up.
          Sorry, but I think that "you do what you have to do" frame of mind in "amateur" sports is a cop out. It is all really about the money.

          "May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house." - George Carlin

          by Most Awesome Nana on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 08:17:16 AM PST

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    •  And to top all of that off (5+ / 0-)

      They killed 7,00 dogs so far. "The friendly ones are the easiest to catch".

      They say they cannot help every child? Why not?

      Whenever food stamps are cut in this country I wonder if the Congressman or woman ever who piously votes for it even considers that the deaths of children are on their hands, literally. Mine perhaps, if I don't get to the food bank as often as I should, but absolutely, directly they are responsible for horrors in people's lives when they so blithely vote against what is better for the workers and the poor.

      Mr. Pukin does not seem particularly concerned or even regretful.

      Life ain't like a box of chocolates. You pretty much do know what you're gonna get.

      by Nodin on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 10:34:34 AM PST

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    •  just wondering (0+ / 0-)

      how does what you wrote not apply to the 2008 games in Beijing?  I felt very similarly about those games.

  •  I don't understand the wisdom... (1+ / 0-)
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    Of having ANY Olympics so close to a civil war area.  3 Bombings in Volgograd a few weeks ago, portends the carnage that awaits.  I am hoping I am wrong, but I fear (and I am not unique on this) that Sochi 2014 is going to make Munich 1972 look like a neighborhood mugging...

  •  May the universe protect the athletes... (1+ / 0-)
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    their loved ones, their families and all who attend the games, including the soldiers and police.  No matter how it happened that Sochi was awarded the games, people of good will need to be respected and protected.  It is sad that the spirit of the ancient games was traded for awarding the games to Sochi this year, if that is the case.

  •  Goddamn straight... (2+ / 0-)
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    We think our government has trouble with corruption, you ain't seen nothin' like the kind of shit that goes down in Russia.  I even put some of it into my next Suzie novel, Suzie's Technical Support.

          So this is the new crew, not the old crew, hooked up to Putin like a long-chain human centipede.  He takes care of them, they take care of him.
           A good example of this is the road they put up for the winter olympics, a hand-out by the government to just about every corrupt politician, businessman, and gangster in the region.  It runs from Sochi to Krasnaya Polyana, forty-two tunnels, twelve bridges, and corruption around every turn in the road.  The road - only the road - costs twice as much as the entire 2010 winter olympics in Vancouver.
           The rich guys are sent "messages."  Cars blown up, an oligarch sent to prison briefly, a bullet in an envelope. For the rest of us, a nastier fate if we get in way the of the Putin and the Oligarchs tour bus.  I wasn't joking about the polonium.  Alexander Litvinenko, former FSB/KGB, rat for MI6, supporter of the non-Putin oligarch  Boris Berezovsky, he got a big dose of it, died of radiation poisoning.  Now why in fuck would anyone use a traceable radioactive element as an assassination weapon? To send a message.
           Sometimes the message is more brutal. Anna Politkovskaya, journalist and Putin opponent, shot dead in the elevator of her apartment complex.  Konstantin Popov, journalist, beaten to death by the police.  Ivan Stepanov, another journalist, stabbed to death.  Maxim Zuyev, who alledged corruption in Russian law enforcement, murdered.  Magomed Sultanmagomedov, drive-by.  On and on and on.
           Putin keeps smiling.  So do his oligarchs, Litvinenko, Abramovich, Potanim, Malkin, Prokhorov, and the rest.  Fuck me, but one of them, Lebedev, is an ex-KGB agent. Oh, and let's not forget the extended Krivelov family, an old, old name in Russian organized crime, going all the way back before the Tzar, it's said. If Putin's eventually out, well, it doesn't matter much if they choose a new lead singer, it'll still be the same musicians behind him.
    What the Koch brothers hope for here already exists in Russia. Come to the Russian winter olympics and look at our future.

    Join Essa in a revolt against the gods. Continue the fight, Causality.

    by rbird on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 12:09:32 PM PST

    •  This: (2+ / 0-)
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      What the Koch brothers hope for here already exists in Russia. Come to the Russian winter olympics and look at our future.
      Exactly.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 12:43:11 PM PST

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  •  DIRECT visual of PUTIN and boy... (0+ / 0-)

    Did you all miss this ? This is screenshot from video of Putin accosting a little boy IN DAYLIGHT on crowded street! .. I am sorry but it looks like he does this ALL THE TIME..and who knows what goes on in private?

    The Daily SHow: Homphobic

    PUTIN and boy

    Proud to be part of the 21st Century Democratic Majority Party of the 3M's.. Multiracial,Multigender and MiddleClass

    by LOrion on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 12:36:49 PM PST

  •  The Russian people always seem to have the worst (0+ / 0-)

    rulers!  I have read alot of history of Russia, it is really sad what the average russian citizen has had to live with, serfdom, under the Czars and the awful years of Stalin, and the years during the cold war when food became a luxury.  Some of the Czars were decent but some were crazy, dangerous men who abused their own people.  There were a couple women too, Cathrine and Elizabeth, who married Czars and managed to take over, mostly by murdering their husbands. (not directly, but "friends" took care of it!)  I lived next door to some Lithawanian imigrants when I was a child, they were such nice people, hard working, family orientated.  They fled their homeland because of Stalin.  I hoped things would turn around for the people of Russia when Communism fell.  They now just have a new kind of elected dictatorship.  

  •  Did Vladimir Puten spend more money on the (0+ / 0-)

    Sochi winter Olympics than Mitt Romney spent on the Utah winter Olympics?

  •  Hey, how about ANOTHER cartoon... (0+ / 0-)

    This cartoon about how Vladimir Putin is protecting Russia's children is awesome. Sad but true. But how about doing ANOTHER cartoon showing what the Russian government is doing to protect the athletes and spectators at the Sochi Olympics from the dangers of stray dogs?

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