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Florida Rep. Dan Webster
Uh-oh, it looks like Florida Rep. Dan Webster has gone off the rails again. His latest concern is that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, AKA the one agency tasked with keeping the bankers in line in a government otherwise tasked with fulfilling their every need and whim, is like the Gestapo.
"So this is far more than the NSA. Far more than their metadata, which only collects phone numbers but not names, far more because they have no re-authorization, far more because there is no appropriation restrictions placed on it. This is more than just NSA-style, this is more Gestapo-style collection of data on individual citizens who have no clue that this is happening.
He seems to be talking about the National Mortgage Database, an effort to build, well, a database of mortgage information, including information about the lender, borrower, borrower's credit profile and updated payment history. This is deemed necessary because of the revelation that the banks themselves are Goddamn Bad At knowing which of them owns what mortgage, as we all learned in spectacular fashion not all that long ago. Having someone, somewhere keep a valid list would seem to be a pretty good bit of consumer protection, but, alas, the more pressing federal concern is to monitor the mortgage market in aggregate, lessening the chance for regulators be caught off guard by similar industry-wide bungling in the future. The information it contains about borrowers is intended to be anonymous.
The database will not contain personally identifiable information and appropriate precautions will be taken by the agencies to ensure that individual consumers cannot be identified through the database or through any datasets that may be made available to researchers or the public.
How you get from there to Full Gestapo Alert Level Twelve is one of the mysteries of the modern Republican Party. How you even get from there to "worse than the NSA" is a stumper, too, assuming that Dan Webster has been paying any attention at all to the NSA revelations of late. In his defense, he probably isn't.

I think we need a whole new federal agency tasked with determining what the hell these people are going on about. I'm dead serious, it can work out of the Congressional Budget Office and their task will be to establish a database of what the hell Dan Webster and other legislators are going on about, on any given date, and some guesses as to why they are going on about it, and what percentage of what they are going on about has any relationship to reality as we know it. Then you'd have a whole sub-office in that office dedicated strictly to Gestapo, Nazi and Hitler comparisons, and those poor staffers would deserve every bit of federal pay coming to them.

Originally posted to Hunter on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 12:23 PM PST.

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  •  Another week, another bad Nazi analogy. (7+ / 0-)

    I'm convinced they're doing this on purpose. They want the term Nazi to become so meaningless, so misused, that when they actually try to implement their own fascist agenda that any attempt to rightfully compare it will fail.

    Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

    by ontheleftcoast on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 01:01:51 PM PST

    •  Funny you said that (1+ / 0-)
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      I compare their political philosophy to Fascism. Tit for Tat.
      Definition:
      fas·cism  [fash-iz-uhm]  
      noun
      1.
      ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

      “He talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans.” James Carville

      by Mokislab on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 01:14:15 PM PST

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      •  exactly the same, tit for tat, except for (0+ / 0-)

        dictator
        complete power
        forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism
        regimenting all industry.. etc

        aggressive nationalism and racism, yes, though real fascists don't use dog whistles.

        "Exactly what is tat, and where can I get some?" -- George Carlin

        There's no such thing as a free market!

        by Albanius on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 01:39:37 PM PST

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        •  Actually they're closer to this than many want (1+ / 0-)
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          to believe. And our own side has been all too cooperative. Forcibly suppressing opposition? Did you see what happened to Occupy protestors? As for regimenting industry they've short circuited that requirement and just handed government over to industry. Cuts out the middle-man. Yeah, we're not 1930's Germany. But I could see how we can get there from here and that shouldn't be the case.

          Food processed to be nothing more than simple starches with two dozen flavorings and stabilizers added to make it appear to be food isn't "food". It's "feed" -- what you give to livestock to fatten them up for slaughter.

          by ontheleftcoast on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 01:56:36 PM PST

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          •  I saw cops bust Occupy firsthand (1+ / 0-)
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            I witnessed 3 big cops tackling Occupy Albany's lead organizer, who is so vertically challenged he could look up to Robert Reich, apparently for the offense of trying to discuss it when they ordered us to stop marching in the street.

            We are winning this in court, and he wasn't really brutalized like e.g. John Lewis in Selma, where the Alabama cops fractured his skull.  That was typical outrageous police brutality, gross human rights violations which contributed to the national defeat of The Lost Cause (which the Tea Party is trying to resurrect).

            Actual fascists just disappear people. Even the lynching of the 3 civil rights workers in Mississippi was a near last gasp of what could be characterized as a caste system enforced by Klan terror, a very different phenomenon from fascism.

            Yes, the US Right has authoritarian tendencies, and plutocracy is running rampant, buying pols wholesale.  But equating that to fascism is a simlar error to what Hunter is ridiculing in the diary.

            There's no such thing as a free market!

            by Albanius on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 02:43:59 PM PST

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    •  Somewhere... (4+ / 0-)

      ...Godwin is crying.

      "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

      by CanisMaximus on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:04:26 PM PST

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    •  As a Neocon, could he mean it as a compliment? (0+ / 0-)

      Just sayin'

  •  Daniel Webster's going to lose re-election (5+ / 0-)

    He's got three Democratic challengers and barely won re-election last time in 2012:

    Michael McKenna:

    http://www.mckennaforcongress.com/

    Shayan Modarres:

    http://www.shayanforcongress.com/

    Bill Ferree:

    http://www.ferreeforcongress.com/

    Should add that Shayan Modarres represented Treyvon Martin's family in the case against George Zimmermann and he could very well be the Democratic nominee given name recognition.

  •  I suppose that if I thought about this long ... (1+ / 0-)
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    enough I could somehow compare this to slavery too; the 2nd most favorite Republican historical event for comparing things to.
    The good news is that I don't have to think about these things. People like Dan Webster do this kind of thinking for me. I get to spend my time instead with thinking about who the f^^k elects these rubes.
    The funny thing is that Dan has no clue this is happening.

    this is more Gestapo-style collection of data on individual citizens who have no clue that this is happening.


    I’m not a big fan of vegetable gardens. Like my chickens, I prefer my salads to be cage free.

    by glb3 on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 01:25:56 PM PST

  •  I saw a movie about this, starring Julia Roberts (1+ / 0-)
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    and saintly friend to all Mel Gibson.  I know you're intimately familiar with the movie, but for others I'll give a summary.  Called "Conspiracy Theory" it had the basic story line that a loner who spent all his available time scouring sources for pieces of information that could reveal government and private conspiracy theories, Mel published a newsletter that had, over the years, amassed some six or so subscribers.  Mel finally hit upon an actual connection between the space shuttle and earthquakes and for that, the subscribers to his newsletter were killed and he would have been except he was able to set his place on fire and escape with Julia Roberts (and later, having been outsmarted by an English super-villain, he had to sing his way to freedom).  

    I think what you're suggesting is a government office to look for conspiracy theories set up on a similar basis.  I'm sure I'd support you to head the office, at least as it is getting started.

  •  When Bush Sr. was getting ready to attack Iraq (0+ / 0-)

    after Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Iraq, he said that Saddam Hussein was as bad as Hitler, and Bush Senior was roundly attacked for this comparison. And remember, Saddam Hussein was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands.  How far we have regressed since 1991.

    "Corporations exist not for themselves, but for the people." Ida Tarbell 1908.

    by Navy Vet Terp on Tue Feb 11, 2014 at 02:03:15 PM PST

  •  gestapo (1+ / 0-)

    Well then, will the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau be coming to jail Webster? Gestapo for sure. CFPB let's find out.

  •  When was he ever on the rails? (2+ / 0-)

    Because I can't remember him being in that state.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:04:58 PM PST

  •  if CFPB=Geheime Staatspolizei,GOP=Reichsleiters (0+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:07:48 PM PST

  •  If you don't know what fascism is, how can you (1+ / 0-)
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    effectively oppose it?

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    by Kimball Cross on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:08:00 PM PST

  •  Wherein I compare Rep. Dan Webster (1+ / 0-)
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    to Goebbels. Why? B/c it makes as much (little) sense as what he's saying...'cept for one thing.

    He's actually in favor of classic fascism, and the rest of us are not.

    English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

    by Youffraita on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:09:02 PM PST

  •  If the CFPB is comparable to the NSA (0+ / 0-)

    I'd rather look favorably on the NSA than look unfavorably on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

  •  Look out, It's gonna blow! (5+ / 0-)

    The random talking point generator has short-circuited with the random Godwin generator and the random history generator is overheating.

    Dear future generations: Please accept our apologies, We were roaring drunk on petroleum -Kurt Vonnegut

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:12:28 PM PST

  •  A Hunterpost funnier than modern Repub party n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Venceremos! (We shall overcome!)

    by Redfire on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:14:02 PM PST

  •  So the memos clearly gone out. (1+ / 0-)
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    When you have no agenda to help the people, compare everything you don't like to nazism and the holocaust.  Very clever.  Does the republican base like being called stupid because this is what this does.

    "So listen, oh, Don't wait." Vampire Weekend.

    by Publius2008 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:14:15 PM PST

  •  Why Don't We Just Incoporate the Gub-mint, (0+ / 0-)

    let Morgan-Stanley Chase do the offering, peddle shares to the 1%, the defense community, and the government haters, and watch the nation drown in its own ignorance and love of money?

  •  Oh for Pete's Sake! (2+ / 0-)

    ENOUGH with the Nazi comparisons!

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abbey

    by SaraBeth on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:16:00 PM PST

    •  Except as we have seen over and over (1+ / 0-)
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      the Repugs LOVE the Big Lie! The bigger the better. And they keep repeating it over and over until most people and the MSN think it is true.

      That was not an original thought with either Hitler or Goebbels but they took it to the extreme (but not as extreme as the current GOP is doing).

      I reject your reality and substitute my own - Adam Savage

      by woolibaar on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 05:06:55 PM PST

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  •  Such a mortgage database may be needed and useful (0+ / 0-)
    database of mortgage information, including information about the lender, borrower, borrower's credit profile and updated payment history ...
    The database will not contain personally identifiable information and appropriate precautions will be taken by the agencies to ensure that individual consumers cannot be identified through the database or through any datasets that may be made available to researchers or the public.
    ... but I have a hard time imagining that any attempts to make  it truly anonymous will be effective. Sure, PUBLIC reports could be anonymized, but under the hood, not so much.  Even if all that is stored on a borrower is an id number, that is coupled with a property address and a credit rating, not too hard to track them down.  

    It's fine with me if the Feds keep track of me and my mortgage company.  I think it would probably help.  But claims that it won't store personal information, seem to me ill-advised claims to make.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:16:00 PM PST

  •  GOP's Department A (Political opponents) (0+ / 0-)
    Communists
    Counter Sabotage
    Reactionaries and Liberals
    Assassinations

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:17:16 PM PST

  •  Stalin too (0+ / 0-)

    It is just like Hitler and Stalin only worse.

    Black criminals are treated like animals. Black victims are treated like criminals. Black heroes are treated like punchlines. -@aemccarthy

    by docterry on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:19:05 PM PST

  •  This asswipe wouldn't know true Gestapo (0+ / 0-)

    if Heinrich Himmler himself walked up to him and kicked him in the nuts.

  •  Tell It To Florida's Jewish Community, Dan! nt (4+ / 0-)

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:24:41 PM PST

  •  As if mortgages were secret (2+ / 0-)
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    Silly Banana Repubican is worried that a mortgage database is so bad, even though it doesn't release personally-identifiable information.  Unlike, say, your local (typically county-level) Registry of Deeds, or whatever your state calls it, where property records including mortgages are all out there for public inspection.  Sometimes via the web.

    Like at http://www.masslandrecords.com/... , where Boston's property records are on line, and I found a record of a $227,000 mortgage granted just this afternoon to Santander Bank by the owners of a property that I searched by address.  Name and all.  So what's the secret?  That Webster doesn't know anything about real estate?

  •  The Devil in the Details and Daniel Webster nt (2+ / 0-)

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:29:06 PM PST

  •  Gerrymandered (0+ / 0-)

    Even though Florida passed Fair Districts Amendments in 2010, they did not go far enough.

    If they had been drawn correctly, this would be a democratic seat.

  •  MY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE (0+ / 0-)

    I have used this agency,  I had a credit company cash my checks and did not reduce the amount I owned and charged a service fee.  One letter with proof of payment and problem solved; fees cancelled, and problem solved.  No! gestapo tactics used.

  •  We don't need a new federal agency (1+ / 0-)
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    .. if just appointing a Czar of What the fuck are they talking about will do the trick.

    I'd nominate Lewis Black, myself..

    Dear future generations: Please accept our apologies, We were roaring drunk on petroleum -Kurt Vonnegut

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 04:35:22 PM PST

  •  Mortgages are already public documents (0+ / 0-)

    and have been ever since states (following the lead of the Mother Country, England) established public registers of deeds. If I want to know whether Mitt Romney took out a mortgage on his California house, and for how much, I can probably find out from the comfort of my home computer, and could certainly find out by going to the land office where the records are kept.

    So, for example, if the IRS wants to put a lien on your house because you owe a gazillion dollars in unpaid taxes, it can find out how many mortgages are in there ahead of it.

    There are a lot of things that you should be able to keep private, especially from the government. Mortgages aren't one of them.

  •  How dare we protect consumers against fraud, huh? (0+ / 0-)

    Isn't the government only there to protect corporations??

  •  I wonder what history books will say (0+ / 0-)

    about this period in American political history.

    "The Republican Party was taken over by shameless plutocrats and bigoted cranks."?

    "The federal government became dysfunctional due to a party that flaunted its extreme patriotism while doing its best to wreck the government."?

    I do not think that history will be kind to the bastards who run for office in order to damage the general welfare…for our own good.

    Marx was an optimist.

    by psnyder on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 06:53:33 PM PST

  •  Wow! He didn't go straight into playing the Hitler (0+ / 0-)

    Card?

    Must be a moderate.

  •  Taliban Dan strikes again. (0+ / 0-)

    Hey if he can compare the Dems to the Nazi's then the Dems can compare this radical wackadoodle fundy to the Taliban.  

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:03:12 PM PST

  •  As more of the Greatest Generation pass away (0+ / 0-)

    I expect more and more Republicans to make statements like this - the line tween the NSDAP and the GOPTP are becoming blurrier by the day.

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