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Washington State is not known as a state who uses the Death Penalty much. The "Green River Killer named Gary Ridgeway,killed 48 Women, and he got life with no parole. In 2007
A couple killed her entire family on Christmas Eve. Among the dead were 2 children age 5 and 3. The  Seattle Times says it has cost our state nearly 7 million dollars on this case.
The couple has yet to even GO to trial. There is no doubt about their guilt.

Yesterday,our Govenor Inslee pressed the "pause button" on ANY executions . He did not
commute any sentence, he just said ,we should talk about it. What a coward, if he is against
the Death penalty,he should commute all current death sentences to life in prison with no parole.

The 9th circuit of appeals is a very liberal court. Very few death sentences are ever carried
out in the Pacfic Nortwest.Our state has killed 5 men since 1976 and Oregon has killed 2.
Texas has killed over 500 during the same time period.

I remember calling on our prision in Walla Walla, Washington in the 1980"s when I sold
medical equipment. They had a prison hospital and I demonstated our products. The man
I talked to was a convicted murderer, He seemed to have some say in what type product
the hospital carried. The Doctors would make the final purchasing decesion but my convict
head had to see it first. He seemed like a nice guy and was happy enough for a man who wou;d never leave prision.  I researched everything he said,he was indeed a murderer.

I always thought the State should let the victims loved ones decide the punishment. Now the more  I think about this subject, I think Life in prision is more harsh than death.
Death frees the convicted of everything. I think a murderer should be made to stay in his or her cell 23 hours a day for the rest of their life. They should NOT be given the same privileges as the rest of the inmate population.

I was taught never to "lower" myself to a level of any evil. A moral person should have standards to live by. If we kill a murderer,than we are no different than the murderer.

I have yet to see one example of the death penalty lowering the number of deaths. You would think NO ONE in Texas would kill. That state  WILL put you to death if you commit
a murder.

It costs much more to seek the death penalty for  the state than simply lock them up and throw away the key. The murderer should eat the cheapest food a state can find.

So many times,I hear the family of the murdered person say,"they are still gone," after
a person is put to death.

Lets rise above revenge in our society,

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

    by Vet63 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:18:27 AM PST

  •  Relatives (6+ / 0-)

    The overwhelming reason for the abolition of the death penalty is to benefit the relatives of the victims.  UK experience has shown that the families and friends get "closure" at conviction.  With the death penalty in the USA and the subsequent appeals etc taking many years or even decades between conviction and execution, this cannot happen.

    BTW, I come from this from the perspective who has had one friend murdered by a serial killer and another whose attacker received a manslaughter conviction on appeal from a murder verdict.

    "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 09:34:15 AM PST

    •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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      and this comes from my perspective as one whose friend was murdered and whose primary suspect remains free.  I want nothing of a death penalty for the crime, I just want justice, and that is a conviction.  Another death does me no good.

      "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

      by Uncle Moji on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 10:00:33 AM PST

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      •  Similar experience (3+ / 0-)
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        Killer not convicted, and now walks free. I want so much for him to be punished. At least he spent a year in jail, waiting for trial.

        •  I am sorry for your suffering (1+ / 0-)
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          and your loss.

          Evidence was mishandled in my friend's case by completely inexperienced but well-meaning police, and all was lost.  But I blame no one but the person who did this.

          "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

          by Uncle Moji on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 10:59:40 AM PST

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        •  wenchacha (1+ / 0-)
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          I am so very sorry for this. Someone once told me there is no justice in the world. Evil things happen to good people. I will
          never understand that. One reason my lady and I are not together is the fact I blasted God. I have seen death too much
          I guess.
          Be well,stay strong,
          Mike

          Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

          by Vet63 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:27:49 PM PST

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      •  Uncle Moji (1+ / 0-)
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        I am so sorry for your loss. Good and Evil in the world is a fact.
        It does not mean that we have to crawl in to the darkness as tempting as it might be. I have had a lady I love attacked and
        raped. I would have shot them if I had caught them.
        I know that is not what your supposed to do,but I would have.
        Thanks for your comments,
        Mike

        Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

        by Vet63 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:22:16 PM PST

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    •  Lib Dem FoP (1+ / 0-)
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      If aperson is sentenced to death,that person can wait 26 years
      for the outcome. Sometimes the killer is someone else. I am so
      sorry for the hell your friends and you have gone through. I
      have to ask,would it have been easier if the serial killer was
      put to death? I understand if the answer is yes.
      Thanks for writing,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:13:40 PM PST

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  •  You realize that by advocating the kind of (3+ / 0-)
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    lockdown isolation you're suggesting you are advocating a punishment that much of the civilized world--and increasingly, experts in the US--consider to be cruel and unusual punishment.

    I don't carry any water for murderers, but I also think that being deprived of your liberty and most of your civil rights is punishment enough for anyone without being barbaric. Constant lockdown and long-term isolation is barbaric. Besides, that murderer you talked to years ago? Clearly he had rehabilitated himself enough to become a trusty. Very few criminals are beyond some level of rehabilitation.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 10:07:25 AM PST

    •  commonmass (1+ / 0-)
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      I know your right. I have no details of the murder my contact
      caused. Each case is unique. I would try and make the
      punishment fit the crime. In our super-max prison I think the
      inmates have to spend 23 hours a day in their cell.
      Be well,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:33:10 PM PST

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  •  While I agree that the death penalty is abhorrent (3+ / 0-)
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    and should be abolished, I cannot agree that 1) the governor is cowardly--he is effecting real, substantial change in the arena, or 2) convicted murderers should be disproportionately punished within prison walls.  It seems as though you are advocating for something akin to solitary confinement for life, as well as something as close to a bread-and-water diet as possible.  These are elements of torture.  No one, especially the state, should have such power over another person.

    •  novapsyche (1+ / 0-)
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      I would have much more respect for our Governor if he had just taken all prisoners off Death Row and commuted their
      sentence. You are for or against the Death penalty. I  feel the
      type of crime should decide how we deal with the person in prison. I am against killing anyone now. I used to be very much in favor. If your rich,you get away with just about everything. If your poor,too bad.
      Black and white rules are tough in a world that is so often
      a shade of grey,
      Take care,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:42:01 PM PST

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  •  I don't like giving government the power to (2+ / 0-)
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    kill fellow citizens.  I do have a few exceptions, however:

    1.  A person already serving a long sentence who kills another person while in prison.

    2. A person who is able to continue to lead a dangerous criminal organization while in prison.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:03:31 PM PST

    •  nextstep (1+ / 0-)
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      I agree with your words. Killing children I would add to your list,
      I know Mothers have killed their chilren (Susan Smith?) I would never put a mentally ill person to death.
      Be well,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 02:46:44 PM PST

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      •  If the person who killed children is in prison, (1+ / 0-)
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        they should no longer be a threat to anyone outside of the prison.  There is then no compelling state reason to put that person to death unless they kill in prison or are able to lead violent crimes outside of prison.

        I don't believe in giving government the power to kill citizens, unless it is necessary to stop that person from killing others.

        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 03:06:48 PM PST

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        •  nextstep (0+ / 0-)

          I am against the Death penalty,I can see,however,in cases
          like Timothy McVeigh why he was put to death. People murde
          with or without the Death penalty. It is  absurd to spend 26 years on death row. It is absurd to wait 6 years for a murder
          trial. Both statements I just made,are real stories about real events in Washington State.
          Take care,
          Mike

          Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

          by Vet63 on Wed Feb 12, 2014 at 08:07:56 PM PST

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