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Venture capitalist Tom Perkins is interviewed in his office in San Francisco, California September 12, 2011.  REUTERS/Robert Galbraith
Oooh, I get it now. Venture capitalist Tom Perkins is not actually venture capitalist Tom Perkins, but a very dedicated performance artist.
The venture capitalist offered the unorthodox proposal when asked to name one idea that would "change the world" at a speaking engagement in San Francisco moderated by Fortune's Adam Lashinsky.

"The Tom Perkins system is: You don't get to vote unless you pay a dollar of taxes," Perkins said.

"But what I really think is, it should be like a corporation. You pay a million dollars in taxes, you get a million votes. How's that?"

The audience at the Commonwealth Club reacted with laughter. But Perkins offered no immediate indication that he was joking. Asked offstage if the proposal was serious, Perkins said: "I intended to be outrageous, and it was."

He's the Gallagher of rich people, that one.

To be clear, Perkins was of course joking. Everybody knows that that is largely how the system currently works. If you don't pay much in taxes, you probably also have more trouble getting to the polls, and if you pay millions of dollars in taxes you get to buy your own government. Current stakeholders wouldn't like Perkins' proposed new system very much at all, because all the companies that do not currently spend vast sums of money on their own lobbyists and electoral plans would suddenly have, in aggregate, votes on par with the Koch/Pope/Adelson efforts, and that is not how the system is meant to work. The top tenth of a percent is supposed to have absolute authority in these things; you can't have the merely wealthy gumming up the hopes and goals of the super rich.

Silly Mr. Perkins. Such a card, that fellow.

Originally posted to Hunter on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:11 AM PST.

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  •  cash flow (12+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:17:09 AM PST

  •  Confirmation of how they think (37+ / 0-)

    They are our betters.
     They deserve less taxes and more votes.  
    They deserve deferred prosecution for stealing billions, but the shoplifter with the candy bar gets 20 years.
    They deserve their outlandish salaries, but a $10 minimum wage is greedy.
    They deserve the separate line at the airport security screening.
    Food stamps discourage work, but their business funded, tax deductible lunches and banquets are a business necessity for executives.
    They are firing the heavy artillery in the class war, and feigning shock when anyone notices.

    "Searches with nonspecific warrants were ‘the single immediate cause of the American Revolution.’” Justice Wm. Brennan, referring to the 4th Amendment

    by Nailbanger on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:22:33 AM PST

  •  As loony as this may come off, it is (10+ / 0-)

    important to note that his model is very much in keeping with the views of the Founding Fathers. Originally, only landed white men could vote. So while Perkins' idea is radical, it isn't new.

    •  True... But... (14+ / 0-)

      We expanded the franchise to women, people of color, and 18 year olds ... so I would like to think we have moved on from this view.

      A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

      by falconer520 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:33:27 AM PST

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      •  The truth is that if the poor (25+ / 0-)

        and middle class really voted their pocketbooks the way that Perkins votes his, he'd be screwed. There just aren't enough billionaire votes to elect anybody. It's only because tens of millions of poor and middle class people vote non-economically - based on "values", or Jesus, or nationalism, etc. - that there are enough Republican officials running around who can protect Perkins and other greedy types. Even amongst the rich, 40% of them voted for Obama in '12. So Perkins can't even totally count on other rich people to be greedy like he is.

        •  And of course he is only talking about (7+ / 0-)

          income taxes, 'cause they are the only kind of 'real' taxes.  

          Include all the 'non-real' taxes every american pays and we'd still outvote a**holes like this.

          When was the last time anyone in DC told America the f*cking truth?

          by jaf49 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:58:23 AM PST

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        •  That's the REAL reason they destroyed ACORN. (6+ / 0-)

          Because ACORN was registering POOR PEOPLE to vote which is the absolute biggest threat to the greedy one percent. As you said, there are millions upon millions more of us than there are of these sociopathic billionaires. If we all got out there and voted they way we should by voting our pocket books, we would finally have economic justice for everyone.

          The right wing knows this which is why-as we know, they do everything they can to pass voter suppression laws to keep enough of the rest of us from voting; which does make a crucial difference in close elections. These one percenters absolutely can't stand the fact that on election day, we are all equal-whether we are homeless, living in a motel, public housing, middle class, working class, etc and have our votes count on the same par as the ballot of a greedy billionaire.  What better way to counter-act that than through gerrymandering, cutting back early voting, unworkable voter ID laws, closing down voting locations in only Democratic precincts and destroying unions. But I digress. All this goes to what Perkins said; that he does not want enough of us voting because we would be equal to him on election day.  

          If Not Us, Who,..... If Not Now, When?

          by VirginiaBlue on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:57:46 PM PST

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          •  There is a such thing as (2+ / 0-)
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            the 1%. I don't think there is a such thing as "the greedy 1%" since greed is not some sort of entry ticket to wealth in this country. You can be decidedly non-greedy but very successful. You can also be greedy but not rich. Plus, this guy Perkins, like the Kochs, is in the top 1% of the top 1% - the 0.01%.

            •  The 1% screw their employees and the taxpayers (0+ / 0-)

              That is greed. Not being satisfied with what you have. And money is power, and perhaps that is an even bigger motive but you can be greedy for power also.

              Ironically the 1% accuse the poor of "class-envy" and greed when no one is suggesting that the poor should make the same money as a CEO. Wanting your basic needs taken care of (food, shelter, clothing, health care)  is not greed.

    •  Which goes to show how regressive he is. (14+ / 0-)

      If you have to go back two centuries to find your political theory, maybe it's time to listen to some new ideas.



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:42:19 AM PST

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      •  He's a pretty smart guy when it (5+ / 0-)
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        comes to evaluating technology startups and management teams. Like all of us, his brain is good at certain classes of problems but fails at others. For him not to understand just how wrong he is here shows that even very smart people can have huge blind spots.

        •  He is not "wrong" (3+ / 0-)
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          He is not wrong, he is revealing his value system, or rather lack on one.  Total sociopath, no moral imagination.
          Whenever I come across someone like this, someone who thinks government should do virtually nothing for anybody, I ask, what kind of place would that person like to live if they had been poor a minority, or poor, or disabled, or to dysfunctional parents, poor parents, disabled parents, etc?

          •  It is willful ignorance for a lot of people (0+ / 0-)

            He may be a sociopath, but not all of his followers are. My brother-in-law has been out of work for three years and his family is living off of my 85 year old father, who is not rich. My sister is disabled and after a great deal of procrastinating has applied for disablity. My father had to push them HARD to get state insurance because medical bills would bankrupt him.

            So what is their attitude? The poor have it great. I feel like saying that if they did not have our father to take care of them then they would find out what being poor really is like.

            In fact I am on disability myself and $1000 a month does not go very far. I have tried to let them know about issues that not only could affect me but could affect them as well as far as benefits for the poor. My father cannot take care of them indefinately.

            I just found recently that my sister does not even read the e-mails I have sent to her giving links to news stories. She deletes them.

            Again willful ignorance, with more than a touch of hypocrisy.

        •  doc2 (2+ / 0-)
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          avamontez, thanatokephaloides

          yes one cn be smart in some aspects but the addiction of power and greed starts to blind you from reality. and makes you lose EMPATHY for the rest of the world.

      •  Here's an idea (2+ / 0-)

        Since we're regressing back a couple of centuries, I think he has the sort of head that would look good in basket!

        +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

        by cybersaur on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 01:36:59 PM PST

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    •  Keep historical perspective. The Consitution was, (2+ / 0-)
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      flawed and incomplete bas it was, an improvment on previous (specifically 18th Century British) voting limitations. As was said in the movie 1776:

      Edward Rutledge: [In the final vote for Independence, Rutledge wants the slavery clause removed from the Declaration, or else he will vote against independence] Well, Mr. Adams?
      John Adams: Well, Mr. Rutledge.
      Edward Rutledge: [stands] Mr. Adams, you must believe that I will do what I promised to do.
      John Adams: [stands and approaches him] What is it you want, Rutledge?
      Edward Rutledge: Remove the offending passage from your Declaration.
      John Adams: If we did that, we would be guilty of what we ourselves are rebelling against.
      Edward Rutledge: Nevertheless... remove it, or South Carolina will bury, now and forever, your dream of independence.
      Dr. Benjamin Franklin: John? I beg you consider what you're doing.
      John Adams: Mark me, Franklin... if we give in on this issue, posterity will never forgive us.
      Dr. Benjamin Franklin: That's probably true, but we won't hear a thing, we'll be long gone. Besides, what would posterity think we were? Demi-gods? We're men, no more no less, trying to get a nation started against greater odds than a more generous God would have allowed. First things first, John. Independence; America. If we don't secure that, what difference will the rest make?
    •  One peice of land=one vote (0+ / 0-)

      He's advocating one million dollars=one million votes.

      Not what was intended, did you even read the article?

      I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

      by roninkai on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:57:27 AM PST

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    •  neither is the idea of slavery (2+ / 0-)
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      or the legal status of women as chattel new. We've been there, done that, and, fortunately, progressed beyond such ideas.

      I half expect some Republican to come out in favor of returning to debtor's prisons or putting people in the stocks as punishment. I don't think any of them will advocate pinning a scarlet letter on adulterers, though. That hits too close to home for so many of them.

      •  Debtors prison are still with us. (but one sample) (0+ / 0-)

        Advisory warns against using prosecutors as debt collectors for payday
        lenders

        The Texas District and County Attorneys Association website has posted a notice to prosecutors about using their hot check divisions as a stalking horse for abusive payday lending practices. It reads:

          We have been asked by State Rep. Mike Villarreal (D-San Antonio), chairman of the House Committee on Investments and Financial Services, to notify prosecutors of a recent advisory bulletin issued by the Office of the Consumer Credit Commissioner (OCCC) regarding payday lending.  Specifically, the agency is warning payday lenders against using a prosecutor's hot-check division "simply as a means for collecting on delinquent loans," especially those secured by post-dated checks from the consumer/borrower.  These
        lenders' (alleged mis-)use of the criminal justice system was highlighted in an expose earlier this summer that should serve as a warning to unsuspecting hot-check divisions.  Fortunately, you now have a statement from the state agency regulating these businesses that will back you up if you decline to pursue charges.

        http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/...

        http://www.texasobserver.org/...

    •  Not going back far enough...... (1+ / 0-)
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      Classical Greek.

      21st Century America: The distracted, superficial perception of a virtual reality. Gettov Milawn

      by geez53 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:20:54 PM PST

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    •   response to doc2 (0+ / 0-)

      I respectfully disagree with your assessment that this is what the founding fathers  would approve of! They actually  tried to create a democracy that would be governed(voted) by the people for the people , and thus preventing  one  or a few rich A-holes,  the priviledge of buying out all the votes and power, just because they have money,  just to get their  way in congress, pass their agenda for their corporations to pollute with no consequence as we just saw in W. Virginia! , regardless of the damage they are creating.
      A good ex are:  the Koch bros , an evil duo of greed and irresponsibility...they alone want to control the country, the world,  and they dont care if they ruin the whole planet in the process!...they are already old so they think they wont live long enough to see the effects of their destruction...yet the want even more money than they could ever spend! But the effects of their destruction is happening faster than they think! and do they have children and grandchildren? Do they care about future generations that will have to deal with the trash they left behind? Polluted air and water , destroyed environments making them unsustainable for human life? They dont seem to care about anybody , but even all their  money won't save them from extinction!

      •  They did not create (4+ / 0-)

        "a democracy that would be governed(voted) by the people for the people". They just didn't. They created a democracy that would be governed by white landowning men. The prevailing wisdom at the time was that the uneducated miscreants among us would just fuck up the vote. They debated allowing non-landed white men suffrage, but decided against. They did not even debate allowing women or blacks or minorities the right to vote. Such thoughts did not even exist in 1770-80's America.

    •  yah (2+ / 0-)
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      Except back then the rich landowners actually paid their taxes. This guy? Not so much.

      "Milton Friedman's misfortune is that his policies have been tried."

      by el fuego on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:51:01 PM PST

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    •  Memo to doc2 (0+ / 0-)

      We do not live in the 18th century anymore!  Stop rationalizing all this crap on what was begun over 200 years ago!  
      Also, in 1776:

      slavery was legal
      women were property of their husbands and fathers
      public education was nonexistent
      people only bathed maybe once a month
      doctors used bleeding and leeches in their medical practices
      men in court and congress wore white wigs and short pants

      The US Constitution is a living document.  The FF were intelligent enough to allow for updates, but they were also men of the 18th century.  We are not.

  •  Let's expand on this. (19+ / 0-)

    You're good-looking? Ten extra votes.

    You're George Clooney or Scarlett Johannson? Fifty extra votes.

    My BMI is 21.2. That's worth 10 more votes.

    I shovel my elderly neighbor's sidewalk. Gotta be worth at least 20 votes.

    Let's turn voting into a grocery-store perks' program. And to add to the fun, you don't get to find out how many votes you get until you sign in at the voting booth on election day.

    Let your friends and neighbors gasp in awe when you're told you have 10,000 votes. Or feel their scorn when you're told you have only one measly vote, you damn loser.

    What could possibly go wrong under such a scenario?

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:27:55 AM PST

  •  His body language... (2+ / 0-)
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    says it all. Look at the crossed legs and clasped hands protecting the genital area. The tight lipped grimace (I looked for photos, even when he smiles he looks pretty uptight) and shifty eyes. This is a man badly in need of a stick-ectomy. If this is what being in the 1% does to you, the price is way too high!

  •  Not a bad idea... (9+ / 0-)

    but, it depends on what you consider "taxes"--the beauty of it is EVERYONE pays at least $1 in taxes each year: sales tax.

    Better yet, these rich assholes work so hard to  avoid paying taxes he might find that in his "ideal democracy" that he's not payed enough in taxes in an election year to balance the votes of his low-paid house staff!

    So, not a bad idea if implemented properly :)

    Cheers,

    Sean

  •  It's not just taxes, but particular kinds (4+ / 0-)

    of taxes. Thus paying sales tax doesn't count. it has to be property tax (lots of advocates of that around) or income tax.

    •  We all pay property tax anyway (6+ / 0-)

      If not, I would like to meet the landlords who don't include that cost in the rent and just pay it themselves to be nice.

      •  Absolutely. We ALL pay real estate taxes.... (4+ / 0-)

        ....whether we own a little cottage or rent. As you said, landlords always pass on the cost of their real estate taxes to the renters. I would even say that if someone lives in a motel, their weekly or monthly rate includes some kind of portion of real estate taxes that the owner of the building ultimately passed down. Everyone pays sales tax too.

        So this absurd idea that just because someone does not pay income taxes; that they should somehow, enjoy less rights than the ones who do pay income taxes, is absurd.

        Hey, how about a workable solution with these "takers" who don't pay income taxes? The biggest reason why so many workers don't is because their wages are so f* low that they don't earn enough money to qualify to pay income taxes (even though they work very hard). How about paying these workers a liveable wage so that they would most likely qualify to pay some kind of income taxes?   Oh, no; we can't do that either because of .......whatever the one per center's lame excuse is for not paying a liveable wage. I am so f* sick of these greedy sociopaths, I am ready to revolt. I need to go before I get pissed off again. Happy Valentine's Day.

        If Not Us, Who,..... If Not Now, When?

        by VirginiaBlue on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 01:14:20 PM PST

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    •  And carried income doesn't count (3+ / 0-)
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      watch the hedge fund people's heads explode!

    •  Perkins is perpetuating the Big Lie ... (7+ / 0-)

      that the poor don't pay taxes.

      If you pay rent, part of that rent's going to pay taxes.  If you drive an old car, you pay gas & license taxes.  And we all pay Social Security and Medicare taxes on the first dollar of earned income, even if we earn too little to pay income tax.  (Of course, Perkins' venture capital earnings aren't subject to those "working class" taxes.)

      Perkins' proposal does raise some interesting questions -- for instance, based on taxes paid, would somebody like Mitt Romney be allowed to vote?

  •  (*Poll tax not included) (5+ / 0-)

    Righteousness is a wide path. Self-righteousness is a bullhorn and a blindfold.

    by Murphoney on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:41:20 AM PST

  •  Basically he is a troll (6+ / 0-)

    Based on these comments, I suspect he may be responsible for a very high percentage of the comments on Yahoo News and other such sites.

  •  so corporations that don't pay taxes (11+ / 0-)

    cannot contribute to any campaigns, support any candidates, or employ any lobbyists.

    This is a good way to get money out of politics fast!

  •  How many wealthy people would that stop (3+ / 0-)
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    from voting?  A "taxpayer" can have wealth while still having a zero tax liability in a particular year.

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 10:56:36 AM PST

  •  I understand that the super-rich (3+ / 0-)
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    can contribute quite a bit to society (The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation comes to mind, and our state is full of beautiful libraries in relatively small towns built with Carnegie grants a hundred years ago) but they can also get super-nasty when called out. Perkins represents that super-nasty reaction when the 99 percent speak out.

    The fact of the matter is the 1 percent already buys what they need from the government while showing actual contempt for the rest of us (remember Romney's "secret" speech?).

    I think it's high time for some serious tax changes, including taxing unearned income at a much higher rate and not just as income tax: raise the FICA cap and make these misers pay into social security. They don't do as much as they fancy they do for the rest of us. It's time we taught them some social responsibility.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:02:56 AM PST

    •  and don't forget (3+ / 0-)

      to tax inheritances over $2M - at 75%.  Making some allowances for family farmers and such - which is usually the complaint of those that want to end the inheritance taxes - 'Oh the farmers!!!!'

      Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

      by Caniac41 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:16:51 PM PST

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    •  Taxes could build libraries too (3+ / 0-)

      The problem with letting the super rich decide how to spend their money "charitably" is that it excludes the public, the vast majority, from having a say in what public needs are and should be addressed.  Yes a library is great but if it is built with private money it gets built where the rich guy says, not where the rest of the community might think it is needed.  Or maybe the community does not need a library but a park, or a school, etc.  Or health care for all.
      Private philanthropy is essentially anti-majoritarian.
      Tax them instead and let the majority, through its representatives, decide what the public need is.  It is called social democracy

  •  24th Amendment to the Constitution: (7+ / 0-)

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/...

    "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

    •  Silly. Only amendment that matters is No. 2 (nt) (3+ / 0-)
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      Hard to have a government when one-third of your representatives are insane and the other two-thirds have been sold to the highest bidder.

      by Rikon Snow on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:35:39 AM PST

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      •  Only ones that matter are (0+ / 0-)

        the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th.

        The rule of law amendments.

        Without them, you got nothing. Nothing.

        Even Rand Paul gets that. I hope he can someday convince his troupe of loonytunes of the truth of it.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:59:14 AM PST

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    •  what protection is there for votes for states? (0+ / 0-)

      please tell me................or is megagerrymandering imminent?

      •  I believe the SCOTUS has outlawed poll taxes (0+ / 0-)

        in state elections as well, probably using the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. I don't have the citation handy.

        Trust me, if poll taxes or property requirements were still allowed, a number of states would have them.

  •  Because the richest 0.01% don't have enough (2+ / 0-)
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    political power already?????

    Libertarianism is just Fascism with a facelift. Scratch the surface of Libertarianism and you will find the notion that corporations should rule supreme, just as it was with Fascism..

    by Walt starr on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:31:09 AM PST

  •  It's kind of scary (1+ / 0-)
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    how someone that fucking stupid could make so much money.

    But let's take Perkins' crazy idea to its logical conclusion -- maybe there would be less incentive for tax avoidance, because every time you take that business expense deduction or depreciation expense, you not only reduce your tax liability, you reduce your voting power.

    So sure, the country would be run by plutocrats (not much new there), but it would be a great solution to our ongoing deficit problems.

  •  Why don't we give 3/5th's of a vote to people (1+ / 0-)
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    who don't pay income taxes.

    "In 20 years, the GOP will be small enough to drown in a bathtub." - me

    by estamm on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:39:49 AM PST

    •  Only if they guarantee (0+ / 0-)

      they'll count my 3/5 of a vote accurately.

      I want it in writing.

      Wait a minute...what court would uphold the agreement?

      Damn.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:59:56 AM PST

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  •  how about your vote counts based on (2+ / 0-)
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    percentage of income that goes to taxes; ie: if you contribute 30% of your income to taxes (state and federal, and city) you get 30 votes, if on the other hand you only contribute 1% of your income to taxes, you only get 1 vote, or if like mitt romney, you would not get any vote at all.

  •  So the fondest wish... (0+ / 0-)

    ...of this guy is to disenfranchise himself, because he and folks who applaud him DONT WANT TO PAY TAXES. So, by that, I guess they don't want to vote.

    Evolution IS Intelligent Design!

    by msirt on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:41:13 AM PST

  •  Already get a million votes. (2+ / 0-)
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    What a delusional asshole. Corporations and the infinite political funding and lobbying have already given the millions of votes to corporations. How else did they get declared "people." And the purpose of government is not to redistribute the wealth of the populace to corporations but to act as a mitigating agents when corporations no longer have sense that the only reason they can operate is because of the safety and security of the society around them.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:41:45 AM PST

    •  He's actually scared (2+ / 0-)
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      Back in day, a decade or so ago, the NYT ran a news item on the business page that claimed that "one dollar=one vote"… So this guy is nothing new.

      However, the fact that he feels he has to say it now shows me he's running scared, and is very, very afraid of the new populism in this country.

  •  He's mocking the poor - he's basically saying (2+ / 0-)
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    sawgrass727, TofG

    that people are overreacting and getting worked up over nothing because he was only kidding, get it? Ha-ha.

    So, he likes to kick people when they are down, apparently, and remind them they are sooooo poor that rich dicks like him get to make jokes about them because they are simply there for his amusement, as fodder for his stand up routine.

    Hmm, reminds me of someone - French, nobility, said something about eating cake.

    Beach Blanket Babylon should add Tom to its show dressed up as Marie Antoinette.

    For those who don't know Beach Blanket Babylon:

    http://www.beachblanketbabylon.com/

    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

    by We Shall Overcome on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:42:18 AM PST

  •  How about if you don't pay taxes you get to vote (0+ / 0-)

    But your vote only is worth 3/5ths as much.

    I'm pretty sure there's historic precedent...

    "Don't be defeatist, dear. It's very middle class." - Violet Crawley

    by nightsweat on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:43:37 AM PST

  •  What we have now aready works that way (1+ / 0-)
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    MyMy
    A timocracy (Greek timē (τιμή) "price" or "worth" + -kratia "rule") is a state where only property owners may participate in government. The more extreme forms of timocracy, where power derives entirely from wealth with no regard for social or civic responsibility, may shift in their form and become a plutocracy where the wealthy and powerful use their power to entrench their wealth.
    Sounds like the long term goal

    We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

    by ScrewySquirrel on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:44:20 AM PST

  •  "I intended to be outrageous, and it was." (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, TofG

    Yes, Tom, you certainly are outrageous.

  •  We are splitting hairs about someone who (1+ / 0-)
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    AmazingBlaise

    pays $400 for a haircut. Can we leave it at he is just a jerk.

    “He talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans.” James Carville

    by Mokislab on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:46:33 AM PST

  •  Yeh. Corporations ... You can't contribute (1+ / 0-)
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    MyMy

    To any candidate unless you pay a dollar of taxes.

    Can't lobby unless you pay a dollar of taxes ...

    Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

    by dadadata on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:48:30 AM PST

  •  Well, there is one good thing about this idea (0+ / 0-)

    It would encourage them to pay more taxes so they could vote for lower taxes for themselves...uh, wait a minute...how would that work again?

    Do facts matter anymore?

    by Sinan on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:49:19 AM PST

  •  Reaffirmation (0+ / 0-)

    this is simply a Reaffirmation of the Koch Philosophy!  After all, what good is a government if you can't buy it!  If it has no price, then it has no value!

    My wife, daughter and granddaughters should have more privacy in their doctor's office than I have buying another rifle or shotgun.

    by NM Ray on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:51:10 AM PST

  •  Now, the question is WHY is he saying this? (1+ / 0-)
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    JoesGarage

    Just senile dementia?
    A desire to fuck with us?

    A distraction?

    As it, "keep the progressives in Yet Another Pointless Turmoil, so they don't focus on something that might actually make a teeny tiny difference."

  •  He looks kinda familiar... (1+ / 0-)
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    JML9999

  •  Can we subtract votes for every dollar (2+ / 0-)
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    Major Kong, TofG

    Mr. Perkins offshores onto the Grand Cayman Islands?

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:55:36 AM PST

  •  The Tom Perkins system: (3+ / 0-)

    The Tom Perkins system: FASCISM.

    Fuck these guys, raise taxes on the rich to 85%, like in Americas golden days.

    I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

    by roninkai on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:55:58 AM PST

  •  Instead of watermelons, he smashes poor peoples' (2+ / 0-)
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    SouthernLiberalinMD, JML9999

    heads...

    ....and middle class peoples' dreams.

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:57:20 AM PST

    •  And rips out old peoples' hearts, yes. (0+ / 0-)

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:00:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Would _Sir_ prefer the tears of the elderly or (0+ / 0-)

      the blood of workers for his drink of choice?

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:01:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  "He's the Gallagher of rich people, that one." (0+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately the Melons he and his ilk insist on smashing  are people's lives and livelihood's

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 11:58:30 AM PST

  •  founding patriots (0+ / 0-)

    The founding patriots knew how to handle these aristocratic want-to-be.  They would ripe apart his home destroying his papers, furniture, windows and drink his wine, then take him, dip him in tar feather him and ride him out of town.  Today they have all died and he is protected.  We need to use on numerical powers to protect ourselves our vote our nation from there corrupting power.  Either we vote against the corrupting class or we lost our democracy, our way of life.

    •  Actually, not so much. (2+ / 0-)
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      Slightly Wobbly, doc2

      The Constitution did nothing to disrupt property requirements for white male voters, and disenfranchisement of everyone else. The Founding Fathers were not interested in mob rule, and designed a system that protected the vested interests and the wealthy (which was themselves) pretty well. It took popular uprisings in the 1840s and then the Civil War to roll back some of that, and the 24th Amendment to eliminate the poll tax.

      •  Yeah and the 24th was only ratified 50 years ago (0+ / 0-)

        Voted for in 62 admittedly but it wasn't ratified until January 64. It's pretty young as far as the amendments go, I'm surprised these idiots forget it exists since it's younger than some of them.

  •  Back in the day (0+ / 0-)

    the French were sending his kind to be "shaved by the National Razor." The aristocrats of that day and age thought that government was there just to serve their class, too. Until one day it became a government of the people.

  •  How 'bout we limit all political contributions of (0+ / 0-)

    any kind — politicians / PACs /  whatever — to just $1 Dollar per "person" for a few election cycles to see how things shake out.

    Doesn't impinge "free speech" - everyone still has it - and in fact I'll bet there'd suddenly be a lot more of it.

  •  Obviously not a Starship Trooper fan (1+ / 0-)
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    Major Kong

    I wonder what Perkins would think about a system as in Heinlein's Starship Troopers in which citizenship is granted only to veterans.

    This would not be my ideal system by a long shot, but certainly more deserving that giving more votes and political power to the wealthy. In this novel/movie the wealthy have no political power.

    •  It goes a lot further than you realise. (0+ / 0-)

      In SST the veterans turn around after a serious turn of events with corruption and chaos having essentially obliterated the governments of the world. By electing to make service a requirement to hold office, have a vote, etc they largely turned the world into a meritocracy, and you couldn't vote till your service was over. Part of the reasoning which isn't really covered in the movie (hell it changed and glossed over a lot of stuff) was that those who were willing to serve were seen to be of sufficient fortitude to vote for the greater good rather than individual benefit.
      The book is as interesting from a philosophical viewpoint as it is as a novel. It's a bit of a mistake to focus on the fact that civilians aren't citizens (BTW citizenship didn't require actually being a combat veteran just to do your service, which wasn't even necessarily military as such, you could be a human guinea pig for example [Rico references this when he is concerned he might not pass the muster for the MI even as they will find you something you can do for your service], however if you were MI the rule was everybody fights nobody quits, even the high command and chaplains were inserted) without actually looking at the reasonings, and then consider what was really happening in the world at the time Heinlein wrote it.

  •  How about this Tom (0+ / 0-)

    You get one vote for every hour of combat time in your logbook.

    That gives me 500 votes, how about you?

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:01:46 PM PST

  •  This is one of Hunter's best (1+ / 0-)
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    avamontez

    Hunter's post are all good, but this is sublime for its ability to succinctly torpedo Perkin's schtick.  

  •  Perish the government? (0+ / 0-)

    We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

    Lincoln was a liberal.

    I put it to you that the greatest threat to our government is not the elected conservatives but the amoral companies that seek only to consume all.

    Faith Manages. -- J.M. Straczynski

    by Master Alchemi on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:07:39 PM PST

  •  tom perkins assumptions (1+ / 0-)
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    Major Kong

    Tom, I have to say that for every one billion+ you pay in taxes,  you can get an extra vote. That would indeed help the economy and we could afford to give you that extra gratefully.

  •  No Clue (1+ / 0-)
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    doc2

    This guy demonstrates, yet again, that the .01% really have no freaking idea of how the rest of us think or live. What an assinine statement. Hope it comes back to him in spades.

  •  These types of sociopaths (2+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne, AmazingBlaise

    would love to live in Russia:
    - money buys power
    - Lots of kickbacks for doing business (ie - cost over runs on Sochi due to grafts)
    - 'Manly' Leader
    - they hate gays
    - women are second class citizens

    I apologize for some generalizations of life in Russia..

    Some of these blowhards are going to get theirs - hopefully on the wrong side of a subpena or lawsuit where they can't buy their way out.   That time can't come soon enough.

    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:10:10 PM PST

  •  Life is not fair (0+ / 0-)

    and human civilization is our tool to compensate for that lack of fairness. So, as I see it, this guy Perkins and his ilk are uncivilized barbarians and should be treated that way.

  •  wait a minute (2+ / 0-)
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    MyMy, AmazingBlaise

    if that's the case then most corps and elites should not be allowed to vote because most get a refund not earned but included in the tax code so they can have a disproportionate advantage over the 99% in the game of democracy capitalist style.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  Counterproposal (1+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne

    ...if you make over $1 million per year, you get one vote times your effective tax rate.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:18:46 PM PST

  •  Self defeating actually (0+ / 0-)

    But these a..holes would vote in folks who say they do not have to pay any taxes, then they would not get to vote!  

    But seriously, this is great proof capitalism is antithetical to humanism.  Only humans with wealth have rights, have value, the rest are what?  Slaves?  Cannon fodder?  Soylent green?  

  •  I think he meant exactly 1$ in taxes (0+ / 0-)

    You shouldn't be able to control the system unless you can cheat it to the point where you ONLY have to pay a single dollar.   You know, a badge of honor of sorts.  Hey, even the minions from hell have to have standards.

    What's the difference between the Federal government and organized crime? One's legally sanctioned.

    by FrankenPC on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:23:41 PM PST

  •  Tom's got some nasty skeletons in his closet (0+ / 0-)

    Nasty enough to get him kicked out of the 1% club if found out, and the 99% would eat him up if they knew.
    Me thinks old Tom is slipping a little bit and missing that old power he used to wield. I think its time for his handlers reign him in before he starts talking to empty chairs.

  •  Why does Tom Perkins hate America? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    thanatokephaloides

    n/m

  •  Since we're obviously going to have to finally (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    thanatokephaloides

    ..Eat the Rich - Any idea as to whether or not I can use my old Jack la Lane Juicer on his sorry-ass?

    Dear future generations: Please accept our apologies, We were roaring drunk on petroleum -Kurt Vonnegut

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 01:15:46 PM PST

  •  I've got a better idea: (1+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides

    You don't have to pay a penny of taxes unless and until you make a decent income.  Not a subsistence income, but a decent own a home, buy a car, go to the lake once a year income.  Everybody who makes good money pays taxes.  Enough taxes to balance the budget.  How about them apples, Richie Rich?

  •  Seems to me that with Citizens United (1+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides

    he already got his wish, no?

    "I can't come to bed yet! Someone is WRONG on the Internet!" - XKCD

    by SingularExistence on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 02:26:06 PM PST

  •  Sounds good to me (2+ / 0-)
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    ddn, thanatokephaloides

    An excellent proposal…..with one slight change.

    You get as many votes as percentage of income paid in tax.  All tax.

    That would be one for you Mr. Perkins, many for me.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 02:45:33 PM PST

  •  Here's another formula: (1+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides

    Eleventy billion votes if you or a close family member were killed or maimed, physically or psychologically, in a war of choice based on lies

  •  If I were sure he was joking, it would be funny (1+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides

    But I don't think Tom Perkins is joking about this.

    Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

    by Dirtandiron on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 03:51:35 PM PST

  •  As Republicans are devoured by the religious right (1+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides

    and the corporatist wing losing its mouthpiece (chris christie) , the "masters of the Universe" have to speak for themselves.

    "more money more voting power" .
    He has that now. politicians can be bought on the cheap.

    He's probably discovering that his money doesn't buy as much as i used to.

    I think it speaks to the fact that our democratic republic may still be stronger than money .( thank you founding fathers)

    Progressives better make sure their big money people don't come close to sentiment.

    Did the moderator challenged him?. he was telling them.
    "i have more money than you" "i should be telling you all what to do"

    I hope the laughter after the comment was because someone said "F*** YOU"   hahaha

    Keep It Real Fokks

  •  The Russian Revolution is looking better to me (1+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides

    all the time...

    Bring me the head of Geraldo Rivera.

    by old mark on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 04:37:43 PM PST

  •  Everyone pays sales tax, (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    thanatokephaloides

    So everyone, even felons and college kids, vote!  Right?

  •  Hmmmmm...he might be onto something..... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    thanatokephaloides

    When these corporations start paying Federal Taxes (since many pay none), and when they stop begging for tax breaks so they don't have to pay any (or many), then we'll let corporations vote.  Until then, they can STFU.

     

  •  Nothing is certain but death and taxes (1+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides

    Low-income smokers (those in households making under $30,000), spent an average of 23.6% of their annual household income on cigarettes. Federal tax on a pack of cigarettes is just over a dollar and NY taxes a whopping $6 bucks. Not a fan of smoking but .... looks like cigarette smokers in New York might get more votes than the average 99%er under the Perkin's system.

  •  Tom Perkins Tax-to-Vote System (2+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides, BeninSC

    I guess he forgot about sales tax.  Even the poorest must pay sales tax on food (in most places), clothes, and toothpaste.  Property taxes are included in their rent.  Nevermind that the working poor pay more in income taxes than big oil companies, who are then subsidized with the taxes collected from the middle class and poor.  How many moons, fairies, and wizards live in Perkins and his friends' world?

  •  Register to Vote! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    thanatokephaloides

    Anyone who submits a federal or state tax return should automatically be registered to vote.  

  •  Votes denied (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    thanatokephaloides

    Perkins has angered many large corporations who would not get to vote since they pay no taxes.  The argument that they are people notwithstanding.

  •  You know, I can actually support this (2+ / 0-)
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    thanatokephaloides, 1949girl

    if a clause was added that for every dollar you stuff into an offshore account your number of votes is reduced by one. If you're in the negative, you don't get any votes until your balance is paid in full.

    Oh, and if you're a C-level executive or on the board of a company that receives subsides no votes for you either.

    This would ensure that all the poor people that pay real taxes like payroll, state, local, sales, municipal, and a host of other taxes get to vote, middle class people like me that have been squeezed out by the wealthy with their lobbyists would get a bigger say in politics, and unproductive takers like useless investment bankers and hedge fund managers would no longer have an outsized voice in politics.

  •  Tom Perkins is as crazy as he is greedy... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    thanatokephaloides

    Tom Perkins' intent was to appear "outrageous" when he made his asinine comments about "one dollar = one vote," but we all know that behind all good humor is a kernel of TRUTH.

  •  Unless someone is homeless (1+ / 0-)
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    1949girl

    pretty much everyone pays taxes -- payroll taxes, property taxes (yes even renters since part of their rent goes to pay the property taxes of the owner of the building), and certainly sales tax.  And, if one considers those taxes as a portion of ones income or dividends, poor people should have many more votes than the rich.

  •  Let's reverse this proposal... (1+ / 0-)
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    1949girl

    If your corporation doesn't pay taxes and you offshore jobs and put your money in foreign accounts you don't get to lobby Congress.  

  •  Great idea (1+ / 0-)
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    1949girl

    Since most large companies don't pay taxes, their votes are nullified. And maybe that should extend to those that operate those companies, the Kochs, Romney's, DeVos, Blankfein and Perkins.

  •  So, is Perkins arguing for a higher taxes (0+ / 0-)

    on the rich, so they can have the power they so richly deserve? There's a novelty - pay taxes to buy an election instead of buying an election to avoid paying taxes.

  •  But Everybody Pays At Least a Dollar in Taxes (0+ / 0-)

    Usually of the most regressive kind. Show me one person in the United States that has not paid a dollar in sales taxes in the last calendar year! I despise all the folks that rail about "the people that pay no taxes at all," when they are referring only to INCOME taxes. Low income wage earners usually do not pay income tax but they certainly pay self-employment tax and sales taxes. Furthermore, they are the people who  pay out a greater proportion of their incomes on sales taxes because they make less money to begin with but the proportion of that money that is taken as tax is identical to what someone much wealthier shells out on the same purchase.

  •  From the Man Who Would Be... (0+ / 0-)

    King if he could.  Yet another effluvial outpouring from a little man who fancies himself to be King.  Unfortunately for him and fortunately for us we are (for the time being) a 'Democracy' not a 'Plutocracy'.

    But, people if we aren't careful, that is exactly what we will become, a plutocratic country 'OPENLY' run by the rich.  Right now they are doing it behind the curtain (just like the Wizard) and we all know that the man behind the curtain was a charlatan, a fraud, an a narcissist only interested in himself and no one else.

  •  SOOOO, Perkins WANTED to be (0+ / 0-)

    "outrageous"?  Well, he succeeded; too many more "outrageous" moments like that will land him someplace he doesn't want to be -- in the crosshairs of the 99%.

    He's already in the spotter's scope.....

  •  You must pay $1 in taxes to vote (0+ / 0-)

    That would mean everyone would get to vote because if you buy anything during the year, you would pay out way more than $1 in sales taxes.  If you work, you pay plenty in Social Security taxes and Medicare taxes. So, therefore, there should be more voting places, and more time to vote to accommodate ALL voters.

  •  We diregress (0+ / 0-)

    We'll use the old system of a poll tax.  Pay taxes and bring your 1099 and you can vote.  No picture ID or proof of residency necessary.  Make sure you are white.

  •  Wouldn't that keep a lot of 0.1%-ers (0+ / 0-)

    from voting?  I guess they'd be willing to pay a $1 tax.  Some would probably like to get a vote for each $1 they pay.  We could always go back to limiting the vote to white, male property owners -- wasn't that the intent of the Founding Fathers, anyway?

  •  There's people who'd love it. (0+ / 0-)

    Thank god for one of those constitutional amendments that make that unpracticeable however. Ah amendment 24 (voted for 62, ratified 64), you're younger than some of the people that will grow to hate you.

  •  no pay taxes, no vote (0+ / 0-)

    If that scumbag billionaire Perkins, feels that those who pay no taxes shouldn't vote, that would exclude many of his greedy buddies in the corporations from participating in voting,,,but then why should they care, they can and do buy our politicians anyway.  Revolution is the solution!

  •  What If? (0+ / 0-)

    Since we're playing a game of what if ...

    What if only those paying a % of gross income as tax get the vote if and only if the % paid is at or above the % paid by WeThePeople?  Further only those that pay such amounts be allowed to contribute either directly or indirectly to campaigns or informational advertizing?

    Those that pay no tax additionally be prohibited from employing paid lobbyist as well.

  •  Perkins' odd idea of U.S. freedoms (1+ / 0-)
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    Teenygozer

    Even though Perkins was "joking," he wasn't joking in reality.  There are many 1 percenters who actually believe letting the very rich have all the political power--as well as all the economic power--in the country would make for a wonderful world.  Well, it would.  For them.  This man and a few of the other American billionaires have absolutely no sense of what it means to live a life without obscene amounts of money.  And further, Perkins has most obviously NOT read the Constitution or he wouldn't even suggest a dollar for a vote (let alone the other).  These people have benefitted enough from being U.S. citizens; we need to make sure they DON'T have the power to change the country.

  •  I call bullshit.... (0+ / 0-)

    "I intended to be outrageous, and it was."

    No you didn't Tom....we all know that's exactly what you meant and what you want.

    Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth.

    Abraham Lincoln

  •  He is a troll (0+ / 0-)

    and a passive-aggressive one, at that.

  •  Shorter Tom Perkins: (0+ / 0-)

    "The rich should be allowed to kill one hobo for every million dollars in income they have. Make $100 million, kill 100 hobos."

    La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues, et de voler du pain.

    by dconrad on Mon Feb 17, 2014 at 01:22:34 PM PST

  •  Is this a poll tax or do you have a choice between (0+ / 0-)

    paying $1 poll tax at the polls and showing a receipt to show you paid at least $1 tax earlier or is the tax receipt meant to be proof of ownership of taxable property.

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