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Last night, Bill Maher warned us about how more and more Americans are only getting "news" from places that only reinforce what they think.

And finally, New Rule: the Sparkletts guy must tell me why nobody talks around the water cooler anymore.  But wait, I think I know why.  It's because as a culture, we don't have enough in common anymore.  And that's because the Internet, which was supposed to unite the world, has become too adept at serving us personalized content.  Do you know what I saw on Yahoo!'s front page this morning?  No you don't, because mine isn't the same as yours.  People get newsfeeds now that just spit back customized stories based on what we've clicked on in the past.  So I, for example, might see a lot of stories about pot, American history, and of course, Christian Mingle.  (audience laughter and applause)  Whereas Ted Nugent just gets ads for Prozac and bullets.  (audience laughter)

So yes, welcome to the brave new world of microtargeting, which look, admittedly is often harmless.  No one gets hurt if my computer tells me, "You bought James Taylor's Greatest Hits.  You might also enjoy this pillow and these sleeping pills."  (audience laughter)  Or, "You've shown an interest in nipple slips.  Here's every picture ever of Tara Reid.  And here's an article about another slippery boob."

(audience laughter and applause)

But consider this.  Back in the olden days, this is how people spent their time on the subway.

Amazing, isn't it?  Everyone's reading a newspaper, and no one's masturbating.  (audience laughter)

Here's a subway car today.

Everyone's playing Angry Birds, and no one is getting news.  Or if they are, it's their Facebook newsfeed, which is now a third of adults get their news.  And this month, Facebook unveiled an app called Paper, which Mark Zuckerberg calls "the best personalized newspaper in the world".  Yeah, I suppose the Washington Post is OK, like when it uncovered Watergate.  But Facebook lets you share pictures of your lunch and do this.

(audience laughter and applause)

But hey, if one of the richest companies in America can get richer by making you a little stupider every time you look at your phone, small price to pay.  And boy, does it make you stupider.  Paper tracks the news you're interested in, and gives you more of that and less of everything else, never burdening you with contradictory information or telling you anything new.  That's what makes it news.  But only seeing the stuff that confirms the opinions you already have isn't news — it's Fox News.  (wild audience laughter and applause)

The reason so many Americans, for example, think climate change is a hoax is that their only source for science news is Glenn Beck, Fox, and Matt Drudge, the cracker trifecta.

Newspapers may be old-fashioned, but here's what we're losing if you never see one.  They are trying to tell you what's actually important, not just what's important to you.  You may not read the whole paper, but you at least see headlines, making you aware that something's going on outside of your microtargeted world of fashion or music or Wiccans or zombies or whatever you're into.

I don't enjoy reading about climate change, it's depressing.  But for example, I originally saw a headline that said Jellyfish Are Taking Over the Ocean.  Which I found alarming.  So I read the article, and apparently, yes, jellyfish are the cockroaches of the sea.  And will happily eat all the toxic shit we're putting in the ocean, which is killing everything else down there, but the jellyfish are like, "Oil?  Fuckin' love it!"  (audience applause)  "Plastic?  I had some for lunch."

Yes, jellyfish.  500 million years of yuck, and now their time has come.  And no one is going to hear about it unless a jellyfish washes up on a beach and exposes its nipple.

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Originally posted to BruinKid on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM PST.

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  •  Maher has his own agenda. He should talk. (7+ / 0-)

    Personally, I find him to be a bitter man, but he does have a point.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 11:38:39 AM PST

    •  I don't think he is bitter (21+ / 0-)

      Angry perhaps but not bitter.  I probably get to meet him in April and I'll let you know.

      I am angry about lot of thing that make him angry too. His weapon is humor and he is a master at this.  And I share 99% of his agenda.

      Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

      by Shockwave on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 11:46:25 AM PST

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      •  He's snarky, not funny. (4+ / 0-)

        I don't find him entertaining at all, and the more he pushes his points, the less I like him.

        Personally, I don't think he can get beyond his aggressive atheism, which seems to drive every thing he says.

        Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

        by commonmass on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 11:49:36 AM PST

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        •  Maher has his moments.... (9+ / 0-)

          but in general I think he's a lightweight. He's a comedian, (in the pre-Stewart/Colbert sense of the term) and isn't a serious thinker or advocate for anything.

          I think of him as being kind of the American version of Chris Hitchens. Instead of being a smug writer, he's a smug TV host. He likes playing the independent contrarian, who supposedly rises above partisanship.

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          by nota bene on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:29:59 PM PST

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        •  Maher has issues, sure. (0+ / 0-)

          However, he is at his best when talking about religion. We need more aggressive atheism, not less, in this country.

          That said, if you had criticized him for his bizarre anti-women comments he's made more than once, I'd agree with you. I find that disgusting, and his tired 1980's jokes about women hating sex are not funny.

          That's one reason when he's not talking about religion, I tend to ignore him.

          But when he is? It's solid gold.

          Too many people pull punches in this country when it comes to pointing out the tentacles Christianity has in our supposedly secular, civilized government and society.

          That's not good for us, or our future.

          •  I agree.. (1+ / 0-)
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            He does throw some good punches and his Guests, (informed ones) are right on target, and give us some interesting facts..if he shuts up and lets them speak.
            He's correct on Climate control, but I agree, his age old women hating is old and insulting..But then he's not the most attractive small man.  He insults women by assuming "they'll bore him"? What does he offer them?
            I've noticed for sometime now he's a little out of touch with what's going on in News factually...and is often stale on the latest News of the week. Either he or his staff should be updated him on this. He's becoming a little snobby. I was nuts about him back in the day before he got kicked off TV.
            I also agree on his anti religious views.
            Religion has absolutely no place in our governing. Tolerating these fake religious types is both a danger to the country and makes us look weak and foolish to the world. We appear ignorant to allies who have by now been given damn good reasons never to trust the US again. (Bush/Cheney war lies and war crimes).

        •  Which is a big part of why you (0+ / 0-)

          don't like him.

          He's mean to Christianity.

    •  I think he's one of the most insightful (22+ / 0-)

      commentators we have today.  He's a mixed bag of virtues and vices, but so are all of them.  And the prude parade here always has the same tiresome complaints about him.

      Maher is doing above and beyond what even Stewart is doing Don't get me wrong, Stewart is a cultural icon and hero in some sense. Maher doesn't have the same restraints and isn't trying to be 'above it all,' which allows him to talk about things in a way that is more brutally honest and challenging to the status quo.  Who is challenging religious orthodoxy and anti-drug hysteria on a larger scale with as much efficacy as Bill Maher? No one.

      Governments care only as much as their citizens force them to care. Nothing changes unless we change -- George Monbiot.

      by Nulwee on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:54:06 PM PST

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      •  Agree, agree, agree! Kudos to (5+ / 0-)

        Maher for telling it like it ACTUALLY is, without the sugar coating seen almost everywhere else by liberal spokespersons.  I'm so tired of people who value the truth and KNOW it should be voiced shrinking in the corner and voicing it softly...  it should be shouted fearlessly like Maher did, pulling no punches.  This the most important and pointedly accurate rant I've seen by Maher, altho I don't watch him all the time... I  deliberately tuned in last night because I'd seen a blurb that Rachel was going to be on.

        "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

        by ceebee7 on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 01:24:23 PM PST

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      •  IMHO--I think Maher very much sees himself (4+ / 0-)
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        as an above it all, pox-on-both-yr-houses sort.

        Remember, he jumped on the anti-vax train too. He's hit and miss. I certainly cheer him on when I agree with him, but I also suspect he'd be just as happy doing fart jokes if it paid him as well as his current gig.

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        by nota bene on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 02:17:01 PM PST

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      •  My mother loved Bill Maher when he would be on (0+ / 0-)

        Larry King, she never missed him.   Yet Mom was very religious but also liberal in her political views.  Mom died shortly after Bush won a second term and she would be 84 today. So i was surprised when she told me she loved to watch Bill Maher..I think she liked that he made fun of Bush and company.

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        by wishingwell on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 02:29:22 PM PST

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      •  I totally agree (2+ / 0-)
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        Maher is very insightful. I don't appreciate some of his personal views, but he his views on our current world mess are quite right-on.
        How many of you watch Aljazeera tv?  I quite like their in-depth coverage of any one item.

    •  Guys is out for laughs.. (2+ / 0-)
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      Never take what he says too seriously because in the end of every point there is a punch line.

      ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

      by tommy2tone on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 01:48:36 PM PST

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    •  I'd say cynical, not bitter. He's certainly (5+ / 0-)

      right about this. For example, if, like me, your main news source is dailykos... (OK, and BBC)

    •  Bill Maher's point is moronic (0+ / 0-)

      Everyone reading a daily newspaper is reading the one version of events propagated by the editors of that single newspaper.

      So while this version of receiving news does come with the possibility of a person perusing an article of alternative interest, the news in a newspaper (or any news) is still coming from editors with a point of view.

      On the other hand, even if a person reads multiple 'left-leaning' political blogs, these people are getting diverse news sources, albeit with an editorial bend to the political-left.  This is still more diversity than the one local/national newspaper to which Bill Maher is clinging to.

      More to the point - a single newspaper or news source means that people are far less likely to be receiving accurate news.

      The most egregious case in point - people who watch Fox News are less informed than people who watch no news at all.

    •  Sardonic maybe, not bitter ... (0+ / 0-)

      Maher's cynical irony is usually spot on.

      “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire

      by RUNDOWN on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 09:57:49 PM PST

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    •  I Get An Equal Number Of Left & Right Wing (1+ / 0-)
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      Newsletter emails, & read all the stories, & love commenting on them, unfortunately when Google Bought Yahoo, all my persona stuff got flipped, so for instance on Kos I'm SidSeven, which has been my online gaming persona forever, while my real name shows up on all the right wing sites...I really need to fix all this stuff, & while I can build a computer, I'm bewildered by all the myriad twitter,facebook,persona,linking, what to reveal, what to conceal. etc.

      It is very enlightening to read some of the whacko right-wing stuff.

      I think Bill Maher is pretty funny, in measured doses...

      If corporations are people now, can we just confuse the hell out of them for no reason?

  •  Yeah, WaPo, Wa Times and NYT Are Only Telling (20+ / 0-)

    you the straight facts. Ask the people from Wisconsin about their press giving the people the clear picture of Walkerstan.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 11:44:45 AM PST

  •  Well, gee, Bill honey, I'd be more nostalgic for (23+ / 0-)

    the so-called "good old days" if we still had newspapers to read. Now the newpspapers report only what they think we should know, and my local rag doesn't think any news from Venezuela is important. Or that floods in southern England are important. Or bushfires in Australia.

    No, what I get are stupid stories about Sochi, a place I have never wanted to visit or ever will visit, celebrity "news," and junk like that.

    At least with blogs, there are boots on the ground in every country if the blog's members are sufficient. And we can comment on news stories and ask for coverage of the news that we think is important.

    Thanks for this, bruinkid!

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 11:46:22 AM PST

  •  He has a good point (5+ / 0-)
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    Not the biggest fan but it is true. "We" (and that is certainly true of so many here) tend to only reinforce our biases and predetermined beliefs rather than seek out alternative opinions and weigh them fairly against our own. Redstae/Kos, MSNBC/Fox, etc. All preach to the choir.

    •  I also agree with Maher's POINT, but (5+ / 0-)

      listing "RedState, Kos, MSNBC, Fox" as equivalencies is unfair and inaccurate.  The left and the right cannot be seen as simply opposing sides of the same issue(s), no matter the issue... even though traditional media insists on reporting as though that were the case.  This approach ignores the importance of critical thinking.  I believe the INTENT of dKos and MSNBC's evening shows (altho they're obviously left-leaning -- well, so is the truth) is to tell the truth.  Both are significantly known for scrupulous fact-checking ... They attract "the choir" because that "choir" is so fucking tired of seeing bullshit calling itself news... so if they "preach to the choir," that is a result, not a motivation.  The right's INTENT is to mislead, misinform, obfuscate, distract viewers/readers... in fact, to do anything to dominate, or at a minimum occupy, the news sources and prevent the dissemination of truth and instead perpetuate the status quo.  Political issues are by nature complex, and cannot be understood by scanning a few bullet points on either or any side.

      Broadcast TV, the main source of news/information for most of that section of America that is even interested in news, sold out long ago to bland infotainment, especially locally... national coverage is reportage of a very few important stories and lacks journalistic integrity and the skepticism necessary for digging down TO the truth.

      Corporate ownership of public information sources is the most basic reason the "center" of American opinion has moved so far to the right and the result is the overwhelming domination of public "information" by the right wing noise machine -- in direct opposition to the framers of the constitution, who listed freedom of the PRESS first in First Amendment protections.

      "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

      by ceebee7 on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 02:23:35 PM PST

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      •  I'll just say this (0+ / 0-)

        The folks at the other end of the spectrum would say the exact same thing. And any poll of reporters shows a major liberal/dem philosophy/voting.

        •  Except right wingers do not -- (0+ / 0-)

          because they cannot -- cite to verifiable facts in support of their positions.  Major difference.

          "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

          by ceebee7 on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 10:15:11 PM PST

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          •  Yes they do (0+ / 0-)

            They are wrong a lot, and use facts less often, but they do have facts on their side as well on some issues. But in the world of political opinion (and spin) its the interpretation of those facts that defines our differences.

            •  Okay... I'm curious... (0+ / 0-)

              Please cite a couple of verifiable facts used by the right to support their assertions... preferably on mainstream issues which dominate the public dialogue...  

              "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

              by ceebee7 on Sun Feb 23, 2014 at 02:01:56 PM PST

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              •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                Take the IRS targeting of optical groups. There's a ton facts to support their assertion that they were unfairly targeted.

                Another was just on the FP recently. A claim that women only make 77% of what men do. That is a gross comparison of all earners on an average. When in fact the actual wage gap when other real world factors are considered (education, career choice, hours worked, race and ethnicity, length in job, etc.) is about 91- 95%.

                •  "conservative political groups" (0+ / 0-)

                  iPad typing ...

                •  IRS "targeting" (0+ / 0-)

                  Sorry, the IRS "scandal" was long ago debunked by the AP reporting that the IRS also looked for keywords associated with liberal groups, something that never seems to get brought up when mentioning it.  Being that it was a broad scan across the spectrum looking at everyone, then it was, by definition, not "targeting".

                  •  Actually no (1+ / 0-)
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                    there is a lot more to the story than that one article. Which is Maher's point. If you only read MotherJones you would never know that:

                    They targeted conservative applications for extra scrutiny
                    They claimed it had  nothing to do with DC. which is   not   true

                    While Liberal groups were also selected but the breadth and depth of the extra burdens were not comparable

                    They said it was due to a rise in applications- which is not true

                    If there was no scandal why:
                    1) Did Lerner plead the 5th?.

                    2) Have there been three resignations, two sudden retirements, and two firings?

                    3) Did Chief Counsel of IRS Wilkens say he "could not recall" 80 times in his congressional testimony?.

                    They now say that have to change the exempt organization rules due to this fiasco, but that isn't true.

                    There is a lot of factual evidence that certainly suggested t the agency was targeting one end of the political spectrum and they certainly changed their stories multiple times. Now I;m an not one of those who thinks the WH directed this but there is certainly some unethical and unprofessional actions that warrant a thorough investigation and not the flippant "it's not a scandal" position of most progressive outlets.

                    As I always say what if there progressive groups targeted in this fashion with Romney on the WH? I think we'd be a lot more concerned.

    •  Facts have a liberal bias (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Targeted news is also a danger on DKos (8+ / 0-)

    Here's something to ponder:

    What if Obamacare doesn't work? What if this Heritage Foundation plan if flawed?

      Democrats are so politically invested in Obamacare will anyone here want to hear that we are headed for public health disaster?
       I sure don't want to post something like that because I know that I'll get flamed to a crisp. I'll be accused of being a Republican, or teabagger, or whatever.

      Considering how much disinformation and outright lies are coming from the GOP, I can understand why someone might think that.
       But what if they are right, for the wrong reasons?

     Granted, DKos isn't as bad as it was in 2009 when any criticism of Obama was met with STFU and clap louder. But Obamacare is still untouchable.

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:07:16 PM PST

    •  What if the tens of millions get quality insurance (5+ / 0-)

      and the sky doesn't fall??? Kind of like >today<.
      One thing I wholeheartedly agree with the President on is, people NOT having to suffer waiting on the perfect to come [as the convenient excuse for doing nothing]. Not getting caught up in modern Liberals or CONservative's gotcha nonsense is everyone own responsibility; it's NOT their fault 'people are saps'.

      Obamacare isn't untouchable -- but don't expect to hold it to a different standard and not be called on it by Kossacks.

    •  I rarely comment these days (0+ / 0-)

      I post a few comments a week.  I read daily.  

      Isn't it true that there are more than  couple orthodoxies that are calling for allegiance around here?  It's not just this one that you described, right?

      Streichholzschächtelchen

      by otto on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 02:02:25 PM PST

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    •  Compare the ACA to what we had (2+ / 0-)
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      and not the eutopian system the right has painted the old system and the answer is overwhelming the ACA is here to stay.

      The ACA could have been better but there are now no pre existing conditions to deal with. Insurance companies can no longer raise your premiums at their whim. Children are now covered on their parents plan to age 26 if in school, and insurance is now portable. We don't have to deal with Cobra.

      That's on top of improved prescription drug benefits, annual physicals and routine doctor visits that are all now included in every plan.

      ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

      by tommy2tone on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 02:06:28 PM PST

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    •  Can the ACA be better? Absolutely (0+ / 0-)

      Is it better than what we had, where people could be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions (even childhood asthma that cleared up when they got older like my husband had) or pay through the nose for crap coverage? Absolutely.

      Social Security didn't start out all perfect either -- in order to get the Southern vote, FDR had to exclude minority-dominated professions like farm worker and domestics from coverage. Took a few decades, but things became fairer.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 03:07:16 PM PST

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    •  ObamaCare best deal possible (0+ / 0-)

      There were not enough votes in Congress, even with a democratic majority in both Houses, to get single-payer.

      ObamaCare was the best deal possible.

      Millions more Americans will now have coverage, young adults and their parents no longer feel pressure for not having employer based coverage, and bankruptcies from health related costs are far less likely.  Also, average healthcare premiums are no longer rising at 2-3 times the rate of inflation.

      Is ObamaCare perfect?  Heck no.

      Is ObamaCare better than the status quo that existed from the period between President Clinton trying to restructure health insurance and ObamaCare?  Yes.

      There are plenty of healthcare industry problems that exists and that could be corrected with Congressional action.  Unfortunately, republicans voted against their own plan, why should anyone expect these intransigents to do anything more than sabotage?

  •  an app called Paper... the end of Civilization.... (2+ / 0-)
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    But hey, if one of the richest companies in America can get richer by making you a little stupider every time you look at your phone, small price to pay.  And boy, does it make you stupider.  Paper tracks the news you're interested in, and gives you more of that and less of everything else, never burdening you with contradictory information or telling you anything new.  That's what makes it news.  But only seeing the stuff that confirms the opinions you already have isn't news — it's Fox News.  (wild audience laughter and applause)

    The reason so many Americans, for example, think climate change is a hoax is that their only source for science news is Glenn Beck, Fox, and Matt Drudge, the cracker trifecta.

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    by annieli on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:09:35 PM PST

  •  Those newspapers being read on the subway... (26+ / 0-)

    ...in the era that photo was taken were often as full of propaganda (and propaganda by omission) as the media we have today. Take a look, for example, at coverage of U.S. imperial good will policy in the 1950s. We learned how the CIA toppled governments, how U.S. soldiers were exposed to radiation in nuclear bomb tests, how meddling in France and Italy put the people into power that Washington preferred, how resources were accumulated by the largest corporations that kept getting bigger, etc.

    Perhaps Bill should read a bit of history next time.

    Maher's view that we had a glorious age of media truth because we were all watching the same TV news and reading syndicated news in the newspapers and magazines like Time and Newsweek is bogus.

    That doesn't mean he has no legit criticism. He does. But basing it on the idea of a golden yesteryear is a huge mistake.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:11:14 PM PST

    •  I read a series of 1918 newspapers and it really (5+ / 0-)

      shows when you read a bunch in a row, that the same propaganda stories are repeated over and over on one page while the actual news is in there in small print the size of classifieds on another page. It was really noticeable when there were advertisements asking you to turn in your neighbor if he wasn't Patriotic enough to buy Liberty Bonds and eat "Liberty Cabbage" instead of sauerkraut. Anyone want Freedom Fries with that?

      We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

      by nuclear winter solstice on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 01:00:11 PM PST

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    •  I just want to hear more of Maher's cogent views (1+ / 0-)
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      on one of the least important political stories of the day: Chris Christie's turning New Jersey into a kleptocracy.

      Unless I misunderstood what Bill Maher meant by telling Rachel Maddow in this clip here

      http://www.youtube.com/...

      because it could be misconstrued as mansplaining how to prioritize the run sheet. Never mind how Chris Cooke comes off in the same vein.

    •  I think that is missing his point. (0+ / 0-)

      As I read it, he wasn't making a point so much about propaganda or lack thereof as he was about only getting stuff tailored to yourself.  The distinction he made is that a printed paper cannot cater specifically to each reader individually.  To have any decent readership it has to have at least somewhat broad appeal.  The rant was against custom-tailored "news".

  •  Maher is wrong (9+ / 0-)

    ....and is applying the false equivalency meme that we are becoming used to seeing from the likes of Wolf Blitzer, Chuck Todd, etc.  

    Yes, MSNBC has a bias, but the important distinction between MSNBC and Fox is that the former does not make shit up.  

  •  why radio is the most effective propaganda medium (5+ / 0-)

    for politics, you can (still) change the channel to other politics

    newspapers or internet, you can easily change the page

    and those medium leave a record, especially papers, that can easily be used to challenge veracity. on TV you have to look into the camera and lie. those fox people are very talented and/or capable of insane levels of denial.

    in those mediums you can easily choose alternatives, even if your choice is BS. you can be as specific or general as you want within 'acceptable' limits of a particular medium.

    but in most parts of the country there are no free alternatives for politics while driving or working. there is no written record for most talk radio, the liars don't have to look at the people they're lying to and can hide behind call screeners and cut off buttons, and in being so free of challenge and since most work for the same few companies, they can be and are well coordinated and managed.

    talk radio has a lot to do with what is and isn't acceptable in other media, yet is the least monitored or challenged.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:36:23 PM PST

  •  Well, This is Not Anything New (4+ / 0-)

    we've been getting sanitized "news" since at least when Grandpa Reagan was in office.

    the bullcrap propaganda didn't start with FAUX News.

    "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

    by Superpole on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 12:47:14 PM PST

  •  Push media (1+ / 0-)
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    jds1978

    I seem to recall back in the late 90's that there was a rumbling of concern about this idea called "push" content.  Then, we all decided we liked it, and nobody really complained about it until more people started getting a little bit annoyed at the fact that they were being manipulated by an algorithm deployed by a company that just oozes happy face.  

    Streichholzschächtelchen

    by otto on Sat Feb 22, 2014 at 01:51:35 PM PST

  •  I Think Maher Is As Depressed As He Is Cynical.... (2+ / 0-)
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    devis1, mama jo

    The young playmates may think he's getting a little old to tumble into bed w/ now.  That's his thing.  He's a long time aficionado of the Playboy mansion, but the boy is getting a little long in the tooth.  Let's face it, he's not exactly Hugh
    Hefner.

    He's also a BIG pal of Darrell Issa.  He has Issa on over & over & over again.  He calls him "a friend of the show".  Right, I bet.

    Maher has also been railing @ Rachel Maddow of late for her
    segments on Christie.  Maher no likey.  He says we're no better than FOX.  

    FYI, Bill.....the Christie thing is still unraveling.  Now the cops are involved.  The bigger scandal may not be Traffic Gate, but the disbursement of the federal Sandy funds.

    If Bill doesn't mind, we'd like some answers.  Maybe he could ask his BFF Darrell Issa to have one of his investigations.  

  •  How is this not a copyright infringement? (0+ / 0-)

    If you transcribe a television segment without doing anything transformative to the content, you're stealing.

  •  The Bubble Filter by Eli Pariser (0+ / 0-)

    covered this internet news dynamic a few years ago. Maher should have given him credit.

    as to 'long in the tooth',  Maher once observed that it took courage to fly airplanes into buildings, for which he was taken off the air.  after a while he got another gig, but has since seemed as if he had found a horse's head in his bed one morning. don't expect him to make new rules about the deep state..

  •  If You Get Your News From Yahoo! You're An Idiot (0+ / 0-)

    Duh, Bill!

  •  To MSNBC with love (1+ / 0-)
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    enufenuf

    I understand Rachel. Christie is a continuing story. But I wish you'd devote half that much time to the Trans Pacific Partnership.

  •  Gee, Maher is waking up that it's not a 3 network (1+ / 0-)
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    chrisculpepper

    world any more. It's about a decade and a half late. Like it or not the technological phenomenon which has given us hundreds of channels of TV has resulted in media compatmentalization for EVERYONE. That's why his having guests like Darrel Issa, P J O'Rouke, S. E Cupp, Anna Novarro, Ann Coulter, Dad Roerbacher make absolutely no fucking sense. The right sticks to their compartment--they don watch Bill Maher. He supposedly "liberal" and an atheist to boot. So why then foist this freaks of nature on loyal members of his own compartment? It only runs us off? Does he think he a one man crusader to turn back the hands of time and rebuild "Politically Incorrect" where in that media reality it was normal to play to all stripes? BILL THAT'S OVER. Get over it. Stop shoving obnoxious square pegs into round holes--this is how you ruin your own compartment. And that one compartment is all you get. Wise the fuck up already. Whoever is booking guests, fire them. I have already fired you.  

    "Education Is Not the Filling of a Pail, But the Lighting of a Fire" W.B. Yeats

    by RareBird0 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 12:03:38 PM PST

  •  Demented, But Always Right On! (0+ / 0-)
  •  I love Bill, but lately.... (1+ / 0-)
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    enufenuf

    He forgets or doesn't know yet, that our media went from 50+ private owners to 6 corporations owning every Newspaper, TV station and Radio station in America. Even MSNBC, which seems fairly Progressive is now a member of ALEC. Since it is also now run by conservative Phil Griffin...Phil is infamous for telling Anchors to, "Tone it down on the GOP or else". This is also why they hate Ed and we lost a great voice in losing Young Turk. He refused to comply with the Phil's "Tone it down" demand, and declined the offer for a job there.

    I'd rather look at the CBO, or leading Scientific Journals, foreign newspapers (with ethic like Canadian News) also leading economists articles, editorials, books, or check the Congressional Daily for who voted for what, seeking indisputable facts myself. But, our local newspaper, is owned by a known Conservative who never tells the truth, no thanks.
    When even The Hartford Courant was bought out, and the Washington Post..(look who owns that now) It's harder to find facts, that aren't slanted opinions or someone quoting "Fox noise".  
    When is the last time any journalist stood up to the absolutely ridiculous comments from the likes of any GOP talking point of the day..(note, they all repeat the same thing, as if pre-programed ahead of time daily).
    In fact, Media now distracts the public willingly. Bill is wrong to assume, "They show us what the public wants"..They do not.
    Bill is wrong here. The Internet does help and is often more reliable for searching for available info, that isn't even mentioned in any American Newspaper, radio or.
    No, the Internet isn't the problem. In fact, people sharing actual facts have begun to stop some things from becoming worse by petition signatures on media like Dailykos. Thanks Dailykos.

  •  BOTH sides are lying about ACA (0+ / 0-)

    Obamacare is the biggest and most deviously disguised pro-corporate-welfare coup ever passed over on a misled and misinformed public. We need healthcare justice and equality for all under a non-discriminatory not-for-profit public plan, not forced privatization and corporate subsidization of our healthcare "protection".

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