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Dear Kos,

It seemed to me that you lost your temper in your diary today.  I am not criticizing you for that because I have lost my temper many times on Daily Kos and your exasperation was clear.  For many, the value of what you had to say about the "NSA/paranoia" issue was overshadowed by how you said it and prevented what could have been a very profitable discussion about that.

More importantly, I think the tone of the diary was unfortunate from the point of view of group dynamics.  You are the leader of this group.  And whether you like it or not, or are even aware of it or not, you set up, both by your words and example, the tone of how members behave towards each other.  Your use of sarcasm and anger, I fear, will give the green light to increase this type of behavior on this site when people disagree with each other.  Polarization will be intensified for a period of time as people unleash their anger and sarcasm on each other.  That is simply how groups function.  They mimic their leader.

One of the things that can help to increase productive discussion on such hot topics such as the NSA etc., is for people to ask for and give clarification, rather than just resort to insults or attacks.  (I have been guilty of the latter as well.)  Before things reach that level of polarization, there are steps that can be taken to calm people down in discussions and hopefully avoid some of the 'drive by verbal shootings' that litter our diaries.  It has always seemed to me that a lot of the unnecessary argumentativeness that leads to name calling, hi-jacking, etc. etc. could be short circuited if there was some required step that could be invoked to clarify a disagreement.  A version of your DBAD rule.  A 'Time Out to Explain' Rule.  Perhaps a step which could be invoked where both sides a) explained what they were saying calmly (rather than tossing out word bombs) and b) explained why/upon what the opinion is based.

From the point of view of group dynamics, it brings the discussion back to the topic and removes it from personalities and hopefully helps the conversation be more focused on content rather than emotions.  And hopefully moves to a more productive and constructive goal.  So, if people are about to fight, a "Time Out to Explain" could be called.

2014 is at hand and 2016 is around the corner and we have a lot to accomplish.  Building a bridge between our many different sides would be a good preparation for that.

I thank you for providing this forum for us.  It has been a great source of learning for me, and at times, a great source of frustration.  As I am sure for you as well.  I can imagine that running this site must get overwhelming at times.  Forget about 'herding cats', - how bout 'herding mules' and 'swarming bees'!

Any way, thank you for all you do,

My Regards,

Sea Turtle

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  •  Tip Jar (36+ / 0-)

    "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

    by SeaTurtle on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 06:23:40 PM PST

  •  That was well stated. (12+ / 0-)

    Very measured of you. I tried to say something coming from the same P.O.V., but didn't achieve nearly the reasonableness of your diary.

    Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.

    by CenPhx on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 06:46:18 PM PST

    •  thank you.... its hard I can see both sides (3+ / 0-)
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      "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

      by SeaTurtle on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:09:08 PM PST

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  •  He seems to be increasingly rude and dismissive (27+ / 0-)

    ... in recent months.  From thinking concern about constitutional issues was evidence of "white privilege," to the continuing campaign to shove Hillary Clinton down our throats, to today's ridiculous demand that we provide evidence for NSA plants (as if the late departed Reggid's career weren't evidence enough, or nobody had ever heard of HBGary), it seems he's losing his tolerance for diverging opinions.

    Not sure where it's coming from.  Is running the blog and coming up with the bucks working his nerves?  Is he shut behind the gates he once wished to crash?  I don't know, and I don't much care.  The more he treats his community like he's been doing, the smaller it's going to get.  This site has had a good long run, but it's not immune to being destroyed by its owner.  He'd better remember what makes this site different than others, and not fool with that formula.  He, and many of us, might regret it otherwise.

    We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

    by Dallasdoc on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 06:56:55 PM PST

    •  I think dkos will become more intransigently (11+ / 0-)

      intolerantly, bullying Clinton fan site. It's already begun and will only get worse, IMO. It'll probably be far worse than wars of the past. With almost a million users any sense of community and collegiality is fading.

      The gates are firmly padlocked and all are safe within.

      It always seems impossible until its done. -Nelson Mandela

      by chuckvw on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:50:29 PM PST

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      •  It seems to be headed that way already (11+ / 0-)

        After almost 10 years here I may just shuffle off if that happens.  I don't want to be around for the death rattle of this site.

        We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

        by Dallasdoc on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:52:09 PM PST

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        •  Same here (4+ / 0-)
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          It always seems impossible until its done. -Nelson Mandela

          by chuckvw on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:53:48 PM PST

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        •  Dallasdoc, would you ever try Twitter? (7+ / 0-)

          I started using that about six months ago and I find I actually like it better than blogs. For one thing, there are folks like billmon, digby, greenwald, and lots of others whose work I appreciate, on Twitter. Since DK diaries are also frequently tweeted, I can see what's up here without having to go to the blog in order to find that out--saves a lot of time.  I find I can learn a lot just from a brief tweet but if I want to, I can follow a link to an article as most people provide a link to their source within the tweet. I find Twitter has opened up a lot of new information that I didn't necessarily find on DK and I can choose people whose focus interests me rather than reading only within the interests of this blog. I'm not here are much as I used to be because I can find out what's happening here in WI quicker on Twitter and that's really become my focus lately. Anyway, I'd love to "see" you on Twitter! I hope you'll think about trying it.

          "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

          by 3goldens on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:34:24 PM PST

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          •  You are so right 3goldens, thanks for reminding me (5+ / 0-)

            I have two Twitter accounts, one with my DKos name and one with my real name. I think I'm going to amalgamate them into one, my real name.

            The comments may be brief there but they leave plenty of good links. See you there.

            To thine ownself be true

            by Agathena on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:46:56 PM PST

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          •  Maybe one of these days I'll have to try it out. (6+ / 0-)

            Some aspects of it really turn me off, but there may be some good purposes for it as well, as you say.

            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

            by YucatanMan on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:31:55 PM PST

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          •  Twitter (6+ / 0-)

            has really broadened my informational world.  It takes a while to figure out how to effectively use it and to get the most from it.  I am still learning. Depending on who you follow, you can get real news almost instantaneously with links to in depth analysis.  For most, Twitter would not be a replacement for the community here at dkos, but it is probably one of the most valuable tools for keeping up with what's happening in the world.

            "I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~ Dr. Cornel West "It was a really naked declaration of imperialism." ~ Jeremy Scahill on Obama's speech to the UN

            by gulfgal98 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 04:14:53 AM PST

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          •  I've had no interest in Twitter (7+ / 0-)

            It's a culture I haven't really wanted to enter.  If DKos becomes too unwelcoming to people critical of corporatist Democrats I may have to search for a new home, but I haven't given much thought to where that might be yet.

            We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

            by Dallasdoc on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 05:35:58 AM PST

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          •  Twitter is only useful for linking shit. Virtualy (0+ / 0-)

            nothing of any import can be discussed on that platform.

            Nuance and complexity are hard enough even here.  They don't exist on twitter.

            "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

            by JesseCW on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 06:13:50 PM PST

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            •  Disagree but respect your take on Twitter. (0+ / 0-)

              It works for me because I guess I'm not as interested as I once was in plowing through diaries and comments here. I just don't feel a part of things here any longer although I check in occasionally.  I don't find what I need here and since I will not support Hillary in 2016 I don't think this is the place for me now.

              I find Twitter to be a quick way for me to find out what's going on in areas that matter to me and then if I have time and interest, I can follow through on the link/s provided within a Tweet (and where the discussion in depth occurs) or I can chat in real time with or ask questions of the person who tweeted something that I want to show support for or to ask further questions of.  I'm looking for things these days that are not covered here  ---like The Intercept, the new website Pierre Omidyar is backing and that emptywheel, greenwald, Matt Taibbi and a host of others are involved with. I like following what billmon, digby have to say via Twitter. it just works for me really well at least right now---but I realize that's not how others see Twitter. I guess I just feel the need to branch out---I've been at DK since March of 2005 and I need some change.

              "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

              by 3goldens on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 08:14:40 PM PST

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              •  3g, I would be most interested if you would (1+ / 0-)
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                just list the websites that are of interest to you.

                I too am looking to expand my knowledge and perspective, and certainly am not going to waste my time with the type of 'sturm und drang' that I wrote about in my diary.

                "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

                by SeaTurtle on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:15:26 AM PST

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                •  Sure, SeaTurtle, I'd be glad to. (1+ / 0-)
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                  In no particular order other than how they come to mind, these are some that I've found very informative:

                  The Guardian  http://www.theguardian.com/...
                  I have found it very interesting to read about the US as seen from the eyes of others.

                  Al Jazeera America is also good. From that site you can read US news OR you can click on their "International" news link and get more info than US media provide frequently.

                  Emptywheel (Marcy Wheeler) is a little deep into the thickets for me---but she still does the best in-depth searching and interpretation of some really knotty issues. Just have to be patient getting through her stuff--and the commenters on her blog are also pretty darn good.

                  First Look The Intercept--https://firstlook.org/...
                  This has become a MUST read for me because they've assembled a really fine group of investigative reporters and most importantly, those folks report with integrity.

                  Other places to check out:
                  Campaign for America's Future (a Progressive group)
                  Progressives United, founded by Sen. Russ Feingold
                  Mother Jones (David Corn writes for them and he's good)
                  billmon at Moon of Alabama, or if you're on Twitter, he tweets a LOT and short as tweets are, I learn more from him than a lot of other folks
                  Digby at Digby's blogspot.com (at least I think that's the correct address---if not, Google will give it to you)
                  Charles Pierce at Esquire Politics blogs
                  Joshua Holland at Bill Moyers and Company
                  EFF - Electronic Frontier Foundation (great source on privacy, especially on the internet and how it's being affected by the NSA)
                  Wired (similar to EFF as to how NSA affects our privacy)
                  John Aravosis at Americablog
                  Center for Media and Democracy and it's blog PR Watch
                  Jason Leopold - investigative reporter. I get him via Twitter--don't know about a blog address but Google should help
                  For econ. info:
                  Barry Ritholtz
                  Yves Smith
                  Jesse (Arthur Cutten) at Jesse's Americaine Cafe
                  Wall Street on Parade--excellent blog by Pam Martens

                  OK---I think that's about it! ;)  Hope these help. Again, a lot of these folks tweet their thoughts/ideas/opinions but you can also find them at their blogs or the websites they write for.

                  OOPS---can't forget Pro Publica.  That's a great site. And tech dirt is another good privacy/internet site too. Aaaaaand one more:  Tom Dispatch is excellent writing and well worth the read.  NOW I'm done! ;)

                  "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

                  by 3goldens on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:06:59 AM PST

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                •  Sorry to bug you again, but I wanted to (1+ / 0-)
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                  tell you that IF you ever want more ideas/suggestions I just discovered in looking at my Twitter list that there are additional places I left off---so if you ever want more, just let me know. I suspect I might have inundated you as it is (!), but there really are a LOT of good places to go to keep up with the news.

                  "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

                  by 3goldens on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:12:47 AM PST

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                  •  I would be appreciative of whatever you can share (1+ / 0-)
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                    3goldens

                    depending on the time you have to do it.

                    I am looking to expand my horizons as well.  Some of those you mention I already read, and those that I don't I will most surely check out.

                    Thanks,

                    "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

                    by SeaTurtle on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 03:13:15 PM PST

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                    •  I just saw this---after I sent you a kosmail (1+ / 0-)
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                      SeaTurtle

                      and before I checked to see if you'd replied to me! ARGH! Sorry--my bad. I do have the worst timing---lol! Feel free to ignore my kosmail.

                      Anyway, I'm happy to give you more sites, so here goes:
                      The Rude Pundit (Don't go there if you're offended by foul language because you WILL see it there. However, he has a great blog and writes IMO very, very well)

                      Senator Bernie Sanders's website---the man works so hard for all of us.

                      Naomi Klein

                      The New Yorker--they're very generous with allowing one to read their key articles. They also have some excellent reporters/writers.

                      The Nation

                      Truthout.org

                      Think Progress

                      David Dayen

                      Sunlight Foundation

                      consumerfinance.gov

                      Jeremy Scahill

                      Common Dreams

                      I think that's about it, SeaTurtle. All of the sites I've listed are on my Twitter feed---it's how I found out about many of them. Again, hope you'll find these worthwhile. Enjoy!

                      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

                      by 3goldens on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 05:55:21 PM PST

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                      •  thanks a lot again, best, ST (1+ / 0-)
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                        3goldens

                        "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

                        by SeaTurtle on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:11:25 PM PST

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      •  There are not and have never been (1+ / 0-)
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        anything like a million users.

        I'd be shocked if a quarter of those accounts were in any way legit.  I've seen too much evidence of 1) spammers 2) people with dozens of socks

        "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 06:16:01 PM PST

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  •  Fine letter. (12+ / 0-)

    Just don't expect him to read it.  

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 06:59:37 PM PST

  •  Funny thing, all the bad behavior described by the (6+ / 0-)
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    diarist has always occurred anytime someone here dares to try to have a logical conversation about the NSA, and the balance between govt surveillance and civil liberties.  These attitudes simply progressed to their logical absurdity.  It's no longer good enough to greet dissenting opinion with insults (troll accusations) and HRs, now the dissenting opinion must be a full time employee of the NSA.  Kos did the right thing to keep his site from going off the deep end.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:00:46 PM PST

  •  Between Kos and Ray its hard to say (13+ / 0-)

    who is being the biggest dick.

    Maybe they're having one of those big bull pissing contests.

    And such masterful writing by Kos: "crazy" and "fucking" this and "fucking" that, and "idiotic."

    Whatever, Kos. It certainly doesn't inspire respect from me.

    Oh, and our church was infiltrated by the FBI when we became a sanctuary in the overground railroad. And they didn't only come to spy, but to disrupt as well.

    But that must have been just because of our white privilege of course, never mind that the refuges we took in were Guatemalan Indians whose villages had been massacred. And that our church was integrated.

    But never mind, carry on, only remember that just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean that no one is out to mess with your web site.

    God spare me the Heart to fight them... I'll fight the Pirates forever. -Mother Jones

    by JayRaye on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 07:20:27 PM PST

  •  Sea Turtle, you're an asset to this blog. (10+ / 0-)

    Great to see you're still here in doing well.

    A compliment  from me will probably do you more harm than  good, but I'll say it anyway:

    in the thread where I got banned (relax people, the world isn't gonna end) for saying we should guard against election fraud against Ohio, you were reasonable and said a lot of good things.

    Again, you're a voice of sanity that is rare in these parts.

    have a great day SeaTurtle, blog on brother.

  •  Excellent, Sea Turtle! (17+ / 0-)

    Yes, just exactly this:

    More importantly, I think the tone of the diary was unfortunate from the point of view of group dynamics.  You are the leader of this group.  And whether you like it or not, or are even aware of it or not, you set up, both by your words and example, the tone of how members behave towards each other.  Your use of sarcasm and anger, I fear, will give the green light to increase this type of behavior on this site when people disagree with each other.  Polarization will be intensified for a period of time as people unleash their anger and sarcasm on each other.  That is simply how groups function.  They mimic their leader.
    When kos posts one of his outbursts, he is, in effect, instructing readers to attack the target of his outbursts -- with 'target' defind as both the position/ideas expressed and those users who express them.  He is modelling behaviors that his own rules forbid, rewarding and encouraging cruel behavior as a form of 'community moderation'.

    Like you, I used to wonder if he 'knew what he was doing' with this behavior.  Over the last several months, I had to come to the conclusion that, imo, he knows exactly what he is doing, and that he is doing it expressly to shape the site.

    •  I certainly do not know whether he is knowingly (8+ / 0-)

      shaping the site.... but it is certainly the result, unfortunately.

      I was just going to go off to bed... sad, because I suspected that this animus would brew and create an intolerable situation when the Hillary thing got into full swing.  And I just don't need extra agida in my life.  Then I thought, well, I will simply describe what I see.  And hope for what?  That things will calm down, I guess.

      "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

      by SeaTurtle on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:21:21 PM PST

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  •  Wow I always miss the meta (19+ / 0-)

    but I filed to run for local office today. I will probably be swallowed whole, but ya never know.

  •  For those in this diary who are dissing Kos: (3+ / 0-)
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    you are doing exactly what the diarist is asking that we try to avoid.

    Also, Kos can boot your asses for no reason at all, anytime he wants to, so maybe you should be grateful that you are in here
    dissing him and he hasn't done that. That is quite a bit of freedom granted to you all and quite reasonable on his part.

    Also, if you really hate it here, why are you here? I wonder about this everyday. There a so many political blogs out there.
    Why don't you find one where you can like where you are spending your time, instead of staying here and bitching?

    I MISS CACTUSGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by rubyr on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:19:15 PM PST

  •  Do you remember during the crackdown on (19+ / 0-)

    the Occupy movements across the country? Some people here suggested that the cops everywhere were coordinated, that they were under Federal control. There were photos posted of Department of Homeland Security cars, slightly hidden at crackdown events. People wondered how cash-strapped cities could afford the massive equipment being used against American citizens. There was one article on this from the Guardian which had not been corroborated yet.  When it was quoted here this place exploded with accusations of CT.

    And yet there really was a co-ordination with THE BANKS.  The police, the FBI and DHS teamed up to protect the banks from the protestors.

    It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves.

    The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, in a groundbreaking scoop that should once more shame major US media outlets (why are nonprofits now some of the only entities in America left breaking major civil liberties news?), filed this request. The document – reproduced here in an easily searchable format – shows a terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council. And it reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens.

    "FBI documents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) … reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat … The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted documents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country."
    http://www.theguardian.com/...

    Where are the apologies to the people who suspected this? The people here who were right.

    So, I'm looking at the Greenwald confirmation about the infiltration of operatives in political blogs, among other places and I am thinking it's deja vu. Even after confirmation, the CT accusations and dismissiveness continue.

    Good letter Sea Turtle but I am afraid it will fall on deaf ears.

    To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 08:39:17 PM PST

    •  Thanks, Agathena, for Guardian link (8+ / 0-)

      to Dec 2013 report  by Naomi Wolfe on suppression of Occupy.  I didn't have Internet access at that time, and missed it.

    •  Hostility to such concepts, which COINTELPRO and (11+ / 0-)

      other agencies and actions employed in the past, is just odd.  

      We know such things have been done. We know groups like Sierra Club and Greenpeace were infiltrated by live humans, let alone by Internet trolls. We know the government did that both to gather intelligence and to disrupt activities as well as to serve as provocateurs.

      These are historical facts.

      Scoffing at such speculation online, here, is one of the skeptical attitudes that gets proven wrong. And massive skepticism on this site is what causes group-think which runs off people like the guy with the 47% video of Mitt Romney.

      If the goal of this site is to be reality-based and make progress for Democrats, then it seems important to know what really is going on, to accept reality isn't as nice as we'd like it, and that our own government does some very ugly, assholian, and often unconstitutional things to our own citizens.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:27:46 PM PST

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    •  excellent point, Agathena.... (8+ / 0-)

      today's CT often has been tomorrow news story.

      The one that gets me is the 47% video that was roundly booed off this site with CT hurled at it.  I happened to be in the diary as that happened.  I just couldn't believe it.  You would think we would have learned.

      Thanks for the reminder of the Occupy situation, Agathena.

      "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

      by SeaTurtle on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:44:36 PM PST

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  •  Really? Your reading comprehension is obviously (3+ / 0-)
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    the complete opposite of mine.

    I did not find that diary by kos to be angry. I did find many of the responses to kos to be angry and extremely insulting. I was impressed that kos didn't respond to those insults.  That was extraordinary.  But then to kos, the issue was not about him, but about the site, itself.

    ...wispy longings for a time before Elvis and the Beatles, back when "a girl could cook and still would". You know before the troubles.~Hunter.

    by denig on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 06:56:27 AM PST

    •  well denig, there were a significant amount of (4+ / 0-)
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      people who read it the way I did.  And those who read it the way you did.

      Obviously this topic has elicited different responses, which is why I think it is important to explain ourselves to each other calmly.

      "The corporate state’s repression, now on the brink of totalitarianism, would with the help of Christie, his corporate backers ... become a full-blown corporate fascism.' http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_trouble_with_chris_christie_20140112

      by SeaTurtle on Wed Feb 26, 2014 at 07:56:26 AM PST

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