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Woody Harrelson as Marty Hart and Matthew McConaughey as Rust Cohle in HBO's True Detective
As I mentioned last week, some critics have grown irritated by what they see as sexism in True Detective's depiction of its female characters, others argue “that’s the point” and one of the themes of the story, and still others insist the women on the show are far more complex than people think at first blush. True Detective's creator, Nic Pizzolatto, has responded to these criticisms by saying the show is told from the point of view of its two male leads, and the world is filtered through their flaws and biases. But Pizzolatto also hinted last week that things may shift in a different direction in season two.

Since True Detective has an anthology format, next season will be a new story with new characters in a different setting. While Pizzolatto has suggested he would like some of the actors to return as different characters, there's a lot of speculation the two lead detectives next year will be women.

Last night's episode of True Detective felt very different in tone than from the first six hours of the show, but it also seemed to answer the motive behind the murders and revealed a key figure in them. More after the jump.

"You shouldn't have that." —Marty

"Nobody should have this." —Rust

Everything that follows is going to be a discussion of what's happened from the beginning to last night's show (episode 7). So if you're not caught up, and don't want to be spoiled, this would be the place to stop reading.
I think part of the reason last night's episode felt different for many critics is that for one thing the framing device is finally gone. No longer are things being recounted for us and shown in flashback. As the audience, we've finally caught up to the character's present (2012), and get to see the "results" of their actions over the past 17 years.

The other thing about it is the episode focuses much more on the nuts and bolts of the murder investigation than the grand metaphysical ponderings and character dysfunction that dominated the first six hours.

Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
  • The "Sprawl" of the Tuttle Family: Cohle seems to have pegged down the big picture of what was happening, but not the particulars of exactly who was involved. The Tuttle family (which seems like a mix of aspects from Lousiana figures like Jimmy Swaggart, former Governor Edwin Edwards, and the Long family) is intimately connected with the murders and kidnappings. Women and children, who've been murdered or have gone missing under similar circumstances to Dora Lange's, were from within a 10 mile radius of the Tuttle's schools. And it seems as if the Tuttles have used their political power to sweep things under the rug. The cult's ritualism of the molestation and murders is based around Courir de Mardi Gras. Cohle is finally able to convince Marty that what he's saying is true when he reveals a videotape he stole from Reverend Billy Lee Tuttle's home. It shows masked figures either raping and/or murdering a young girl. The girl in the video is identified by Cohle as Marie Fontenot. She was the girl whose death was originally ruled an accident and that Cohle found similar circumstances to Dora Lange's murder after digging through multiple missing person reports labled "report made in error." It's her death that brought Rust and Marty to the Tuttle's Light of the Way Academy and connected them to Reggie Ledoux.
"You know Carcosa? ... Him who eats time. Him robes, it's a wind of invisible voices. Rejoice. Death is not the end. Rejoice. Death is not the end. You know Carcosa? You rejoice. Carcosa." —Miss Delores
  • Driven To Madness: Marty's reaction to the videotape made me think of all "The King in Yellow" references. The videotape of the cult's abuse of Marie Fontenot is probably the show's real-world equivalent to the function "The King in Yellow" plays in Robert W. Chambers short story collection. In Chambers' book, the short stories are connected by a play called "The King in Yellow," and Carcosa is an ancient, mysterious, and cursed city. Anyone who reads the play is either driven mad or has a dark fate awaiting them.
Just little girls playing with toys?
  • Does This Remind You Of Anything?: Last week, I mentioned the suspicion, based on her behavior and actions, that Marty's daughter Audrey has been sexually abused by someone. Back in episode two, there's a scene where Marty walks in on his two daughters playing with their dolls. The closeup of the dolls in that episode (pictured above) is somewhat similar to what was happening to Marie Fontenot on the videotape. In fact, before Rust identified the girl as Fontenot, for a moment I thought Marty's reaction meant the little, blonde girl on the tape was Audrey.
"I was going to play baseball, ride bulls. You know you end up becoming something you never intended. I guess you never really know why." —Marty

"My life has been a circle of violence and degradation for as long as I can remember. I'm ready to tie it off." —Rust

  • Fatalism: In both their words and actions, Rust and Marty seem to feel this is not only the end of their time on the case, but the end of their relationship with the world. Marty's conversation with Maggie has the feeling of someone saying goodbye for the last time, and wants to make what amends he can before it's over. That's the way Maggie takes it too, since she seeks out Rust to find out what is going on. And Rust says he needs to finish this to "move on." TV critic Maureen Ryan had an article where she compares the show to Blade Runner. Ryan argues the main theme of True Detective is that it's a story about a "fallen world" devoid of God, where "sin has entered the garden" and despoiled it, and there's nothing left with any meaning. This is a show that exists in a universe where babies are fried alive inside of microwaves. And strangely enough, after everything that's happened, Marty and Rust have ended up with roughly the same mindset of not wanting to be part of that kind of place anymore.
Realizing your family is better off without you.
  • Broken Men with Broken Lives: One aspect I really loved about this episode is seeing the changes in Marty and Rust's lives. Both are reaping the consequences of their actions, and still live under the shadow of this case. That shadow and the "debt" it created is the only really meaningful thing these guys have left. The decay of their lives made me think of Rust's description of the decaying town in the pilot episode (i.e. "somebody's memory ... and the memory's fading"). We learn that Rust was working on fishing boats in Alaska during the missing time the Louisiana detectives were suspicious of in the previous episodes. Rust's life now consists of being a severe "functional" alcoholic bartender that's obsessed with finally solving this case. But it's interesting that Rust has become more personable, and actually wants know how Marty is doing now. And how he's doing is not so good. Marty has an empty office, and a home life that consists of eating frozen dinners on a tray and searching Match.com for dates.

From Jeff Jensen's interview of Nic Pizzolatto at Entertainment Weekly:
EW: In episode 7, the judgment of Marty for his failings is expressed via the revelation that Maggie and his daughters flourished after cutting Marty out of their lives.

Pizzolatto: Clearly they did. We had a scene where you glimpsed Maggie’s new husband but it was cut. They’re all much healthier. That’s what Hart is thanking her for in 7. Thank YOU for doing everything.

My family has been here a long, long time.
  • The Spaghetti Monster with Green Ears: The reveal at the end of the episode tells us that the "tall man with scars" is the landscaper Cohle spoke to way back in episode three outside the Tuttle's Light of the Way Academy. If you go back and re-watch episode three, two things take Marty and Rust's attention away from him. One is that he's wearing a beard that covers up the scars. And the second is that Marty learns about the connection between Charlie Lange and Reggie Ledoux at the exact moment Cohle begins questioning him, and pulls Cohle away from the landscaper to pursue the lead on Ledoux. The landscaper, who's identified by HBO as being named "Errol Childress," is implied by the episode to be an illegitimate descendant of the Tuttles. According to the Tuttle's maid, Miss Delores, the family's patriarch, Sam Tuttle, did a good amount of sleeping around. The pieces of the story then fit together. All of the murder/kidnapping victims are centered around the Tuttle schools because Childress has been moving from school to school as part of his parish contract, no doubt set up by the Tuttles. The former cop in Marty and Rust's CID unit, Steve Geraci (i.e. the cop Rust slaps in the first episode), that knew info about the Fontenot case but didn't provide it in 1995, used to work as a deputy for the Sheriff of Iberia parish and is now the Sheriff himself in 2012. That former Sheriff's name is Ted Childress, which probably has some relation to Errol Childress and the Tuttles. One other little tidbit about the landscaper in the end scene. After he goes back to mowing the lawn (which, in itself, is a reference embedded in the show), Childress is mowing the lawn in the spiral pattern that the murder victims have on their bodies.
I closed my eyes and saw the King in Yellow moving through the forest. The King's children are marked. They became his angels.
  • The Cult of the Yellow King: Somehow I doubt the landscaper is "The Yellow King" behind it all, instead of just one of the members of this cult. That leads to a question of how large of a "sprawl" are we talking about with this? Is this just the doings of one screwed-up, powerful family? Or does it go beyond the Tuttles and their illegitimate relatives? One theory floating around the internet that would connect Marty and explain some of the things with Audrey is that the cult of the Yellow King goes beyond the Tuttles, and is made up of the rich and powerful in Louisiana. Marty's father-in-law seemed to be very well off and was spouting conservative "concern" about society that you would probably have heard at a sermon led by Reverend Billy Lee Tuttle. Also, there must be someone with power behind the cult, beyond meth cooks like Ledoux, landscapers like Childress, or even Reverend Tuttle, since Rust believes, that when he stole the tape of the ritual with Marie Fontenot, others killed Reverend Tuttle to retaliate/cover up their links to him.
  • The Lawnmower Man and Have We Finally Ruled Out Marty and Rust?: Over at EW, Jeff Jensen posits a couple of theories, as well as a possible connection between True Detective and another work, specifically Stephen King's "The Lawnmower Man." Many of the comments online that I've seen still suspect Rust or Marty as being part of a big "twist" that will implicate them as being a part of things in the end. However, Pizzolatto has denied that the ending will be a trick, and says the show is not trying to "out-smart" the audience. He's also been pretty clear in saying that, while there are occult elements to the show, the story isn't going to turn supernatural. So anyone expecting a Lovecraftian version of Hastur to appear in the next episode, as the Yellow King behind it all, is in for disappointment.
Here’s a thought. What if Cohle’s grand conspiracy pitch — a unified field theory of all evil under the Louisiana sun — isn’t completely correct?  The fantasy of a damaged man trying to bring meaning and form to his meaningless, shapeless life before checking out. His conspiracy theory is his religion. He needs all of it to be true. So deep is his void, that he needs something this grandiose to fill it.  It can’t be just a few unconnected lone nuts doing psycho stuff. (And to be clear, psycho stuff was done!) No, everything must be connected. There must be intelligent design to “the sprawl”of this madness; there must be an organizing principle for everything; there must be logos. If there isn’t, then the catharsis of a final triumph — capturing/killing whoever remains to capture/kill — won’t be as satisfying, won’t give him a transcendent feeling of accomplishment, won’t fulfill the yearning of his chosen “immortality project,” the great heroic work that grants, in the here and now, a feeling of lasting significance. Basically, it all comes down to a denial of death. For all of his hard boiled nihilist rhetoric, Rust needs a fairy tale to get him through the day like the rest of us suckers.
  • The Basis for the Story?: In the interview with Pizzolatto I linked to above, he mentions that in addition to the imagery and references to The King in Yellow from Chambers' novel, he mentions many other influences with some of them having been referenced in the program, including Friedrich Nietzsche’s eternal recurrence, quantum cosmology and Brane Theory, Marilynne Robinson’s Gilead, and Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest. Pizzolatto also mentions that True Detective's story is not too far off from real-life ritual abuse that's occurred in Louisiana recently.

From the New York Times (May 25th, 2005): Sex Charges Follow a Church's Collapse
Hosanna Church in Ponchatoula, Louisiana
The authorities - who got the first whiff of trouble six weeks ago when a woman, Nicole Bernard, 36, called the Sheriff's Office from Ohio to say she had fled the town to save her child from sexual abuse - are still trying to piece together what happened.

Nine people have been arrested in the past week. A dozen computers have been seized, at least some of which the police believe contain child pornography, as well as dozens of videotapes, hundreds of computer disks and eight large boxes of documents and photographs. Inside the shuttered church compound, in a "youth hall" behind the sanctuary, the police found the faint imprint of pentagrams on the floor that someone had apparently tried to scrub away. Some of those arrested, the police said, described rituals within those pentagrams involving cats' blood and people dressed in black robes.

The abuse victims ranged in age from 1 to 16, the police said. Several are in protective custody, and a search is under way for others, who may have moved or are known to the police only by first name or nickname. On Tuesday, the police were at the church grounds with dogs, though they would not say what they sought. Sheriff Daniel H. Edwards of Tangipahoa said that as many as 25 children - about evenly split between boys and girls - might have been involved in sex acts at the youth center, in cars and in the homes of at least two of those charged. The abuse seems to have begun in 1999, he said, and stopped occurring on the church grounds after 2003.

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  •  TV is as good - better, even - than (14+ / 0-)

    it's ever been. I'm a good 4, 5 decent shows behind - including Breaking Bad - but I intend to catch up.

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    by winkk on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:05:37 PM PST

    •  I heard a Hollywood director on NPR a while (9+ / 0-)

      back talk about the last writers strike and the migration of some great writers to TV in its wake. In this case, however, we have a former community college associate English professor as writer, excellent seasoned big screen director, and exceptional big screen acting talent. Bring it on!

      Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

      by the fan man on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:48:36 PM PST

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    •  I couldn't agree more! (9+ / 0-)

      Sure, there's a lot of crap out there, but there always was back in the day, and back then we didn't have the myriad of choices we do today.

      And it seems that there is increasingly more status for good actors in good TV, and in the best of cases, every bit the status of a good movie....and in the case of a great series, it lasts a lot longer than a  movie.

      I hear people brag that they have no TV---it's always about how they don't need the crap---and I think, sorry for you, you're missing out on a lot.

      True Detective is one of those shows you don't want to miss, despite whatever controversy about the women's roles might exist---and for the record, I don't buy into the simplistic critique that the women on this show have no dimension, particularly Marty's wife.

      But it is true that the POV is from a male perspective, specifically from two males in this case, two very different males, which is part of what makes it intriguing.

      I'm glad to know that the next season will begin anew w/new POVs, perhaps two women detectives. As Kate Blanchett said last night upon winning her Oscar, in essence,  American women are watchers too, and their money is just as green as men's. Bully for you Kate!

      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

      by StellaRay on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 09:19:43 PM PST

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      •  Honestly, I think Hollywood has a tough time (3+ / 0-)
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        competing these days. You simply can't get the level of character and plot development in a 2 hour movie that you got with Breaking Bad, the Sopranos, or any of the rest of those shows. It used to bother me that the movie studios focus so much on big-budget special effects, but now I think that's probably their only real strength.

        To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

        by sneakers563 on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 08:38:54 AM PST

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        •  The problem w/movies (1+ / 0-)
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          is largely, imo, too much of the effort is all about the block busters, and it has to happen fast. If a movie doesn't catch fire in the first week or two, it's considered a disappointment.

          Not true w/TV which has more patience for something to develop. And now w/cable, and folks like me who are willing to pay a bit more to watch great stuff, there is more incentive than ever to produce better stuff.

          And I totally agree w/you that when TV is at its best, it can take character development to its zenith as it has w/the examples you mentioned and several other series.

          Boss w/Kelsey Grammar was amazing, and although it only lasted two seasons, that equaled 18 hours of story. Grammar's
          "boss" was one of the most evil and confounding characters I've ever seen on TV. His performance was amazing, almost good enough for me to forgive him for being a rabid republican. I said, almost. ;)

          "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

          by StellaRay on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 08:46:24 PM PST

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          •  I haven't seen that one (1+ / 0-)
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            I'll have to check it out.

            This diary prompted my wife and me to watch episode 1 of True Detective last night. Riveting.

            To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

            by sneakers563 on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 04:51:36 PM PST

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            •  Yep. (1+ / 0-)
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              I got connected w/True Detective by another Kossack, couple of weeks ago. Dark, but so compelling. And it just keeps getting more so as you watch more and more episodes.

              "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

              by StellaRay on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 05:05:11 PM PST

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              •  Dunno if you're into foreign stuff (1+ / 0-)
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                But the French series, "The Returned" is really quite good. It looks like there's going to be some kind of American remake coming out, but the French one is filled with a really eerie, existential horror. What would happen if dead people suddenly came back years later, with no memory of what had happened? How would the living see them? As monsters? How would "the returned" see themselves?

                It's available on Amazon's streaming service.

                To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

                by sneakers563 on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 05:11:39 PM PST

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                •  Thanks for the tip. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Hubby and I absolutely do foreign stuff, when we can. We still have to figure out how to hook up our TV to stream. Not comfy to watch whole movies on the laptop, and our desktops are in our home offices and need to stay there for work.

                  But so interesting that you would bring this up, because I've been seeing all the ads for the American version. Can't remember the name of it, but it's definitely coming.

                  Still, making note of "The Returned" on my desktop file of things to pursue seeing.

                  "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

                  by StellaRay on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 06:22:11 PM PST

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                  •  My wife and I went through the same thing (1+ / 0-)
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                    We ended up buying a little Asus Eee PC and connecting it to the TV. If it had been available at the time, though, I probably would have gotten a Chromecast and streamed the video from a laptop to the TV. If you have a TV with an HDMI input, that might be an option for you. I haven't tried it, but for $35 it's hard to go wrong.

                    To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

                    by sneakers563 on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 09:48:41 AM PST

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                    •  Thanks for another great tip! (1+ / 0-)
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                      Going to bring your ideas to my hubby's attention, I'm hopeless at these things. Nice conversation. Thanks.

                      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

                      by StellaRay on Thu Mar 06, 2014 at 09:54:32 AM PST

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  •  picky, but for your own perfection: (5+ / 0-)
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    criticism's

    remove the apostrophe.

    glad you're doing this for us.

    i located a series of "Best Scenes" on youtube, which includes scene dialog under "more," and can work with that quite well. eliminates my aversion to this type of visual storytelling. will put in link in a bit. gotta keep reading !!

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    by greenbird on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:11:43 PM PST

    •  Fixed It (4+ / 0-)
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      Thanks.

    •  random scene link from 'Best Scenes' youtube: (1+ / 0-)
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      which will/should provide other links in the righthand sidebar.

      i'm not a 'subscriber,' but others can tweak to their preferences. dialog, as i say, appears in full by clicking "more," and lets little chickens, er, birds such as me both listen and read, but not watch.

      once i know what to expect, i can return to watch.

      i'm truly impressed with TD: don't have cable, don't need more than this, to add to your splendid diary series, for a sufficient dose of state of the art of (some) tv.

      did the same/similar with BB. gack: same species produced "Babe," which won an OSCAR, can you believe it -- and that's no bull.

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      by greenbird on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:39:27 PM PST

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  •  More great insight (7+ / 0-)

    I watched after the Oscars...figured I'd get my 10 minutes in and be done?  Riiiiiggghhhtt...didn't exactly get up bright and early today.

    When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That is my religion. - Abraham Lincoln

    by EntrWriter on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:12:33 PM PST

  •  Addicting TV (8+ / 0-)

    I'm going to watch the last episode now.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:12:45 PM PST

  •  Very nice analysis (12+ / 0-)

    I just watched the episode with my husband. I am so psyched for next week. The only question I really have left right now is why the killer of the two women would publicly display them. The show seems to suggest that there have been many, many murders. Yet only two were meant to be found by the police.

    I really liked this episode a lot, especially after last week's episode. It covered a ton of exposition in a very short amount of time, yet it didn't feel rushed.

    I'm going to miss seeing Matthew and Woody together like this after the final episode. And I hope the writer comes up with another amazing story for next season.

    Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

    by moviemeister76 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:20:47 PM PST

    •  Public Display (10+ / 0-)

      The previous victims, before Dora Lange, seem to have either been disposed of in a way where they'll never be found (all those missing person reports reclassified "Report Made In Error"), or were staged in a way that the Tuttles could use their connections to have their deaths ruled accidental (like Marie Fontenot).

      If I had to guess why Dora Lange's death was staged so publicly, remember that the Tuttles used the incident to start a task force looking into "anti-Christian activities." And the Tuttles were trying to pass legislation for school vouchers so they could expand and open their charter schools.

      Maybe the Tuttles were trying to use her death as a way to pass the legislation and rally support to their schools that will teach "good values" that are "under attack."

      •  I dunno (3+ / 0-)
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        That wouldn't explain the second murder. And after last night's episode, I got the idea that Reverend Tuttles and his cousin were actually not behind the murder. More that he just obviously knew who was and wanted to cover it up.

        Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

        by moviemeister76 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:41:42 PM PST

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      •  Another reason for public display-election (2+ / 0-)
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        Also a reason to elect Tuttle, as champion of Christianity against the evil satanists and atheists killing these good people.  

        I thought the Tuttle comment that the schools closed for lack of funds very unconvincing, given how large the man's office was.  

        Not sure how they can wrap up all the loose ends in the last episode.  

        “Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects.” ― Will Rogers (Of course this also applies to me.)

        by MugWumpBlues on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 10:58:11 PM PST

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  •  It's easier to understand the type of female (7+ / 0-)

    characters depicted in the show if you've lived in the South, or have spent a lot of time in Louisiana. It is a very complicated culture made up of many ethnicities...it is a mixture of hedonism, voodoo, evangelical fervor, corrupt politicians, rednecks and so much more...to try to transform them into politically correct models wouldn't work.

    Dan Rather made the comment that it's alwasy best to marry a Texas woman because no matter how hard things get, they've always been through worse. I think the same could be said about Louisiana women.

    I love Lousiana, there are many gentle people living there. I have family living in Gonzales, so I've visited the state many times.

  •  The thing that bothers me (3+ / 0-)
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    is that there is a lot of Catholic iconography but the primary religion of the show has an evangelical flavor.  That may be quite normal for Louisiana, but for this northerner and former altar boy the juxtaposition is quite unsettling.

    •  I Mentioned This Last Week (4+ / 0-)
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      But the sermon and behavior of Reverend Theriot (the revival minister, who studied under Tuttle) struck me as strange. If you listen to Theriot's sermon from episode three, it's a bit odd. It's not exactly scripture based ("the wind between the stars").


      And he seems to be a Protestant evangelical, but makes the sign of the cross like he's Eastern Orthodox when told of Dora Lange's murder.

    •  Baptist\catholic\other religions (2+ / 0-)
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      IME, somewhat limited, a lot of the Baptist beliefs seems a lot like the Catholic, except without the Italian dominated Catholics running things.

      Curious that the proverb on the revival tent is something like "Trust in God, don't think."  

      “Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects.” ― Will Rogers (Of course this also applies to me.)

      by MugWumpBlues on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 09:39:12 PM PST

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  •  Hey thanks for this analysis. Sometimes the dialog (8+ / 0-)

    is hard to hear and the references not always immediately clear. Just what I was looking for. Glad this will not linger in TV mini-series hell, but sorry it will end so soon. Love those characters!

    Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

    by the fan man on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 07:50:46 PM PST

  •  A theory on Marty and Maggie (7+ / 0-)

    My guess is that Marty Hart was one of the cult's victims.  That's why he goes so emotionally ballistic when he saves the two kids; throws up after beating the two kids; and gets so upset when he sees the video.   Stretch but maybe he's been suppressing the memories.  

    Another guess of mine is the wealth:  We see many background shots of the big oil refineries; the Tuttle mansions Kohle enters are gigantic and filled with expensive things; Sheriff Childress drives a spanking new Maserati and has a (phony) little story about how he repossessed it; It also seems like Maggie's family has big money and we see it in their home on the lake.  Its the old theme of people using superstitionsreligion to garner power and wealth and it seems like we have one big family owning most and running most of everything.  In Ep 7, we learn that the Tuttles and Childress families are related and that old man Sam Tuttle took care of his family, including his by-blows.  

     A twist we might--but I hope don't--see is Maggie is in on the cult,   I thought it pretty clear Audrey, the Hart's daughter, was molested/used by the cult based on her drawings and the doll scenario she put together; my guess is that her (rich) Dad is part of it.  Cannot recall, though, whether at any point we received word on her maiden name earlier in the show and seems that would be set up.  

    We learned Kohl is an outsider, but didn't get any information about Marty Hart (except he's an ex baseball player and a champion bull rider) or Maggie's family.  

    “Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects.” ― Will Rogers (Of course this also applies to me.)

    by MugWumpBlues on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 09:35:42 PM PST

    •  Damn, nice insight on the daughter. (2+ / 0-)
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      Maggie doesn't have to be in on it for her father to have been, methinks.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:14:40 AM PST

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      •  How did Maggie find Rust Kohl (1+ / 0-)
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        The Father could be in on it without his daughter Maggie being involved for sure (or maybe involved as in looking the other day which it appears women had to do quite a bit when dealing with selfish men).  

        I had another question:  How did Maggie find Kohl so she could visit him at the bar?   Not through Marty for sure--they don't talk and Marty wouldn't tell her anyway.

        And why would Maggie ask what Rust what they were up to?  Concern for Marty is maybe not strong enough a reason for me to consider plausible.  Note Maggie did not apologize for anything.  She only asked Rust for information (and he deflects all her questions with his own.  Then quickly tells her to get lost and gets away from her).

        Odd eventscene unless Maggie is somehow involved. (Or the showrunners wanted to give her a scene).  

        Anyone else have an explanation?

         

        “Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects.” ― Will Rogers (Of course this also applies to me.)

        by MugWumpBlues on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 12:00:24 PM PST

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        •  I wondered about this too. (0+ / 0-)

          I had the feeling that she wanted to know what they were up to, and I wasn't really sold on the idea that it was out of concern for either Marty or Rust.  You make a good point about how she would've found Rust, unless the current cops told her.  OTOH, we haven't been given any other reason, that I've seen, to think she's hiding something as nasty as knowledge of the cult.  And on the other other hand (OTOOH?), Audrey is clearly messed up.

          They've got a lot to address in the finale, that's for sure.

  •  Thanks Doc RJ, (2+ / 0-)
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    for this post and the discussion it engenders. I must admit I didn't read the whole thing, because I've only watched 3 episodes of TD so far and didn't want to know too much, but read enough to be able to discuss a bit, appreciate, and enjoy the comments.

    (Want to talk about the ultimate spoiler? A few months ago I was googling the last season of Dexter before I watched it, wondering if it was available yet on DVD, and there in a headline on google was "fans angry Deb was killed off" or something damn similar. Grrrrrrr.)

    I learned about "True Detective" from another poster here on the DK, when I wrote a post about "House of Cards."  Started watching it soon thereafter and both the husband and I are quite compelled to continue to watch it, as soon as we can find the time. There is relatively little buzz out there yet on this show, so was very happy to get connected to it here.

    I am one of those who LOVE these posts on noteworthy entertainment on the DK, am very happy to occasionally step out of the political box, and into the cultural box---which of course is often also political, but through a different lens, literally.

    I like looking at the political through the cultural, and almost nothing does this better than TV and movies.

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

    by StellaRay on Mon Mar 03, 2014 at 09:38:46 PM PST

  •  thanks for the insight (4+ / 0-)

    I love the show, too.  You made me curious about what happened with the Hosanna Church case, so I looked it up.

    Interesting that one of those arrested had the last name of Fontenot.

    Those trials didn't begin until 2007-08. It was rather hard to find this information in a search, but the pastor received 4 consecutive life sentences, a woman sentenced to 3 life sentences. A third received 10 years and the post I found from 2009 said another was awaiting trial.

    We'll see next Sunday just how this wraps up. Who is the woman yelling in the preview, and who is the bloody person on the table?

    I'm not with the crowd that thinks either Rust or Marty were involved. But Marty's ex father-in-law?  Maybe. . .

  •  I need a snazier TV (2+ / 0-)
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    I bought my TV in ~1988. I couldn't see the scars on the guy's face when I watched the show. Now that I know the guy mowing the lawn is the scarred guy, it makes more sense.

  •  Great analysis and insight on a great show. (3+ / 0-)

    If Woody Harrelson and Matthew Mcconaughy don't share an Emmy for their performances, that'll be a true crime.

    The most violent element in society is ignorance.

    by Mr MadAsHell on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 08:41:07 AM PST

  •  oh here you are (1+ / 0-)
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    Just watched Ep 07 last night (Monday) and read this piece at daily beast this morning. In that piece, I was really glad to see that people are no longer suggesting (why did they ever?!) that perhaps one of our two guys will turn out to be the real killer. That never made any sense to me at all.

    I confess Im quite enthralled with the Rust character, although Marty is not exactly one-dimensional either. I still say (hope) the final wrap up will somehow reveal the backstory of how Rust lost his own daughter and that will (hopefully) provide some insight re his motivations and his overall weirdness, his depth. As it is, he makes total sense to me, as I said before, he is a man of integrity and has his own code of honor, no matter how messed up he is (he kinda reminds me of my ex, lol).

    Is anybody who's really into this show NOT gonna go back and re-watch the entire series after the Ep 8 conclusion? heh. Theres so many little things I know I missed the first time around.

    Thanks, great post.

    If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

    by Lady Libertine on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 11:26:38 AM PST

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