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Pro-segregation Gov. George Wallace blocks the door of Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama. June 11, 1963
National Review, on the same side of the argument since 1955.
A new report from the Department of Education shows that even from preschool, black students in America tend to receive disproportionately severe disciplinary actions. To most people this was taken as signal that something might be severely amiss in our classrooms; to the National Review, it is evidence that black children are inherently predisposed to disruptive behavior and crime.

I wish I was making that up, but that's the argument presented by NRO writer Heather Mac Donald, because it wouldn't be the National Review if they didn't have a steady supply of authors climbing Mt. Racist to plant their flags. You simply can't argue your way out of this one, National Review. It's a column explicitly declaring that black children simply have "weak impulse control" compared to whites, so suspending them or disciplining them more severely than white students is simply "common sense."

Actually, what [NAACP educational director] Ms. Smith-Evans should be trying to fathom is the black crime rate, which explains the school-suspension rate. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit homicide at ten times the rate of white and Hispanic males of the same age combined. Given such high crime rates, what do the civil-rights advocates and the Obama administration think is going on in the classroom — docile obedience and strict self-discipline? In fact, the same weak impulse control that leads to such high crime rates among young black males inevitably means more disruptive behavior in school.
We're talking about kids as young as four years old, remember. Four-year-old black children, according to the writer, suffer from worse "impulse control" than more docile four-year-old white children. And it doesn't get better:
Also on Friday, the New York media reported that a 14-year-old boy riding a bus in Brooklyn the previous night had opened fire on the bus and fatally shot an innocent 39-year-old passenger in the head. Did anyone doubt the race of the killer, even though the media did not disclose it?
This seems to be sort of a litmus test, this one. Dear Abby: How do I tell if I am a huuuuuge racist? If you see on the news that a bad thing happened, and you immediately thought "Oh, a black person was clearly responsible for that," yep, you're definitely a racist. How the hell in this day and age do you get away with writing that you did not doubt a certain criminal was black when you first heard the news? How many good, solid white people blasting their way through schools and movie theaters and convenience store parking lots need to be on the news before you start wondering if maybe good, solid white people have a problem with "impulse control" as well?

More below the fold.

You will be somewhat relieved to know that Mac Donald generously supposes that the "root" of these problems is the urban "black illegitimacy rate," single-parent households and the like. Black Americans are just bad parents, you see.

None of the federal studies mention or control for single-parent households, of course. Instead, we are supposed to believe that well-meaning teachers, who have spent their entire time in ed school steeped in the doctrine of “white privilege” and who are among the most liberal segments of the workforce, suddenly become bigots once in the classroom and begin arbitrarily suspending pacific black children out of racial bias.
This whole column misses a fundamental point: Black students are being punished disproportionately for the same offenses as white students. Mac Donald is spending her entire column asserting that black children have less "impulse control" than white children and are therefore being more disruptive, perhaps because their parents are similarly terrible, but the studies actually show that black children are given harsher punishments (suspensions, etc.) than white children who commit the exact same acts. That's rather key: Race-based disparities in punishments would seem to suggest race-based disparities in punishments, period. Our author here, however, is too invested in her Bell-Curve-ish suppositions of disruptive black preschoolers running amok in the classrooms:
It is simply common sense that boys are more likely to be aggressive and impulsive than girls. Given the black–white crime disparities, it is equally common sense that black students are more likely to be disruptive in class as well.
Ye gods, National Review. I realize that your whole magazine was founded in an effort to combat desegregation and civil rights and the notion you might have to let a black man sit at your lunch counter, but it has been a very, very long time and you are still cranking out steady columns supposing the racial disparities in everything from the prisons and drug sentencing to poverty to Being A Goddamn Preschooler have happened merely due to natural lack of "impulse control" among black people.

You get a certain number of tries, and then you're done. You can only bat away so many columns by the Derbyshires of the worlds, the Bell Curve crowd, column after column asserting that if black Americans are getting a worse shake than other Americans, after decade upon decade of the National Review demanding that they do, it is from a predetermined inferiority of black Americans themselves—you can only do that so many times before your protestations that oh no as an institution we're not racist at all, er, anymore look, well, as stupid as they look.

You published a column, in freaking 2014 from a writer that supposes it's only "common sense" that black children are punished more harshly than white children because young black children simply lack "impulse control" compared to their white counterparts. There's no walking that one back. Jeebus.

Originally posted to Hunter on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:44 AM PDT.

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    •  Time to reset my sign again soon. (17+ / 0-)

      How many days since the last National Review writer gets fired for being a white supremacist.

      It's like a "How many days since self-inflicted injury" sign.

      So very predictable from a magazine with a history of shitting on black people since the sixties.

      Regulate banks, not vaginas

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:37:39 AM PDT

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      •  Hmm... (7+ / 0-)

        I used to read NRO pretty regularly. To get the opposing view etc. But something happened around late 2008 or so. They suddenly turned even more aggressively assholish than they had been before imo  (although they've always been pretty terrible) I stopped going there soon after. Yes, it was late 2008. I cannot for the life of me remember anything that could've brought this change in attitude about....Did something happen about that time that made the entire staff of NRO lose what shit remained to them in this timeframe? Anyone?? Anyone?? Bueller?

        "Because we are all connected...."

        by Shawn87 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 03:13:51 PM PDT

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        •  Oooh, ooh! Call on me!! (4+ / 0-)

          Does it begin with an 'O'??

          Not to mention the economic disaster that struck at the same time (2008), displaying for all to see then and since the deplorable concentration of wealth in the hands of a few and the gutting of the middle class.

          Why should economic disaster be a cue for an uptick in racism? Because the function of racism in American society historically has been to justify the wealth of the few at the expense of the many.  Thus Paul Ryan: those "inner city" people just don't value "hard work" - voila, poverty explained.  Ever wonder why even poor white people identify as 'middle class' in the US?  Because, see, poverty is a black thing....like crime.

          The moment black and white Americans begin to see themselves as "in the same boat", i.e. as victims of class, so-called 'conservatives' play the race card to divide their opposition. Happened in the 1890s to divide the southern Populists, giving us Jim Crow. Happened again in the 1970s, in the wake of the massive multicultural civil rights movement of the 60s: Nixon was the original "law and order"president and the first author of the 'war on drugs' later expanded by Reagan (and Clinton), and his 'southern strategy' notoriously peeled away northern white working class and suburban Americans from the Democratic party.

          •  Apartheid as well (1+ / 0-)
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            IIRC it was predominantly pressure from the White working/lower class in South Africa which economists credit with the institution of apartheid policy there.  They didn't want to compete with the native inhabitants for jobs.  I wouldn't be surprised to find it was the wealthy Whites, mostly British, who were driving that sense of competition for jobs and using it as an excuse for further wealth-hoarding behaviors.

      •  I don't mean to be a sexist, but, for me, a (8+ / 0-)

        woman spouting this crap about little children, makes it worse.

        "Southern nights, have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint Remember the Gulf of Mexico.

        by rubyr on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:55:23 PM PDT

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        •  It's not sexist, just a natural reaction. (2+ / 0-)
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          What makes the ignorance of a Bachmann or a Palin even more frustrating, is that fact that they're women. Not because women should be more rational or well-informed than men, not at all.

          It's because we've spent enough years trying to brush off the "ditzy chick" motif, and push aside the notion that women are so prone to emotional rhetoric over rational thinking, that these ignorant twits are taking us back several steps. Plus these women act like THEY are the ones who are moving feminism forward - that only they have the guts to say what's right in front of us, and the rest of us are ignoring the real truth because we're too afraid of being politically incorrect. They miss that they're so misguided, that they've already gone well past being politically incorrect, to being outright ignorant bigots.

          I'm sure it's similar to when a person of Hispanic or African-American heritage acts as moronically (i.e. a Marc Rubio), and supports ideas that no rational person of a minority should support - people in their minority want to slap them even harder than the 'white folks' spouting that stupid crap. Because they, of all people, should know better.

          And frankly, any woman who still endures stupid articles suggesting the reason women aren't making as much money as men, is because they're doing different kinds of jobs and focusing more on families than promotion or overtime - when the point is they're still making less money for doing the same jobs at the same levels - should damned well know better than to misrepresent the facts as this article does.

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      by mwm341 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:08:55 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, I agree. Ridiculous these things (0+ / 0-)

      ever see the light of day.  Now I have to go throw up.

  •  Bill Buckley would be proud (21+ / 0-)

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    by Paleo on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:51:07 AM PDT

  •  And the GOP "reaching out" tour continues. (35+ / 0-)

    I'd make a joke here, but I'm too busy furiously shaking my head and trying not to punch my monitor.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:51:52 AM PDT

  •  Thanks, Hunter... (26+ / 0-)
    ... a steady supply of authors climbing Mt. Racist to plant their flags.
    That'll have me laughing much of the day.

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    by angry marmot on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:52:04 AM PDT

  •  I'm shocked, shocked (20+ / 0-)

    Charlie Pearce refers to the National Review as a journal of white supremacy.

    In the 1950s and 1960s it endorsed racial segregation and apartheid. .

    It is shocking to think it is still a journal of white supremacy in 20114.

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    by MoDem on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:52:57 AM PDT

  •  How odd that little blond-haired girls (32+ / 0-)

    don't seem to be as damaged by single parenting. Huh.

    And I never realized 4-year-old blond-haired girls came with supernatural impulse control.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:54:40 AM PDT

    •  Tell that to the parents of the little blonde girl (10+ / 0-)

      Who nearly scratched my eyes out during kindergarten because I wanted to play with blocks and racing cars with the boys instead of dress-up with her.

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      by Ellid on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:13:33 AM PDT

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    •  Unitl that sweater is too tight or the skirt too (4+ / 0-)
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      short and watch the impulse control of those little blond tramps go right out the window. See, those little blond girls just have to have it...you know they want it...
      /s
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      by Penny GC on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:14:37 AM PDT

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    •  Of course they do. (5+ / 0-)

      The impulse control genes take the place of the melanin genes. That's science.

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:19:40 PM PDT

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    •  Judging from some of the offspring... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...of white people in places like Portland or Park Slope, I'd say there's no monopoly on a lack of impulse control among children.

      And in going along with the new Rethug meme:  You, Hunter, are a racist for pointing out that racism exists!

      You can't spell "Dianne Feinstein" without "NSA".

      by varro on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:56:43 PM PDT

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    •  They haven't met my little blonde (2+ / 0-)
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      Oy vey.  So much fun to get called up to kindergarten because your adorable little blonde had poor impulse control. They called it something else, and repeatedly assured us that she's SO bright (we know that, we don't need them to try to make us feel better), but apparently she does what she wants when she wants to do it, even if it's not what the rest of the class is doing. Personally, I think a large portion of my daughter's issue is that her teacher is inexperienced. I shudder at the idea of anyone suspending a pre-schooler unless it's a safety issue brought about by grievous bodily harm of another student or teacher--biting, for example. Any other problems should be dealt with in class or in school by a teacher or principal. We are talking about four-year-olds here.  They're still BABIES!                                                                                                    

  •  It's hard to believe that in 2014... (20+ / 0-)

    the National Review -- and the attitudes it foments -- still exists.

    It's like watching a stagecoach drive by or seeing someone listen to a transistor radio.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:54:58 AM PDT

    •  I agree about the stagecoach, but I am (3+ / 0-)
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      listening to a transistor radio as I write and it is amazing--
      the sound, the range. WBGO in Newark--great station.

      "Southern nights, have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint Remember the Gulf of Mexico.

      by rubyr on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:38:10 PM PDT

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    •  No it's not hard to believe (19+ / 0-)

      I don't mean to pick you out, but I really wish people would stop equating racism with some ancient belief system like the earth is flat.

      All of the "well, they will die out soon", "the kids won't tolerate that", or "well, that old dinosaur...", etc is not productive because it is NOT an accurate representation of the state of race relations in this country.

      There are plenty of people young and old who openly believe that white people are better and more deserving of (fill in the blank) because they are white.

      You do not need to do any studies to prove this.  Just five minutes on the interwebs will show you.  Pick a site, any site and you will find all sorts of racist rantings, even on topics that have zero to do with race.  Hell, as a black person you can't even chit chat about cats online in peace without someone making some racist remark.

      Oh, it's just ranting online you say?  Well the internet is the great tongue lubricant.  On the interwebs people feel empowered to say exactly how they really feel and think.  So the idea that racism is some old idea that will die out soon if we're just patient is just plain wrong.  

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        But the pessimistic side -- or, perhaps I should say, the realistic side -- would be foolish not to admit that you have a point.

        The last five years especially have proven we're far from postracial.

        How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

        by BenderRodriguez on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:00:47 PM PDT

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      •  Possible effect of demographics changing ? (2+ / 0-)
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        Demographics are changing in America; the whites will become a minority in a not so distant future.

        Is this well known fact having an impact ?  Is it possible that we are witnessing a new spike in racism, or at least, in the openness about it ?

        I don't know many cases in history where a majority losing its status  accepts it peacefully.

        I'm concerned we will witness a growing number of ugly incidents with a racism component, in the next couple of decades.

        Combine the changing demographics and the insecurity that comes with it, with the Stand Your Ground laws and all sorts of insane gun laws pushed by the right, by A.L.E.C. , and you have a recipe for some serious problems...

    •  Stagecoaches and Transistor Radios are pretty... (1+ / 0-)
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      benign.

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      by Katakana on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 05:08:14 PM PDT

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  •  Rank racism. I see the National Review is helping (15+ / 0-)

    conservatives "reach out" to minority communities.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:56:01 AM PDT

  •  We Don' Need No Steekeen Studies!!! (5+ / 0-)

    You can see with your own eyes what America's race problem is, half a mile away.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:01:03 AM PDT

    •  Well, here's an NIH study that seems to support (1+ / 0-)
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      the basic NR hypothesis.

      Actually, what [NAACP educational director] Ms. Smith-Evans should be trying to fathom is the black crime rate, which explains the school-suspension rate. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit homicide at ten times the rate of white and Hispanic males of the same age combined. Given such high crime rates, what do the civil-rights advocates and the Obama administration think is going on in the classroom — docile obedience and strict self-discipline? In fact, the same weak impulse control that leads to such high crime rates among young black males inevitably means more disruptive behavior in school.
      So the NR writer is claiming that school discipline problems and crime rates are correlated and presumably have a common root cause.

      Here's the NIH study:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...

      The authors investigated discrepancies in arrest rates between Black and White male juveniles by examining the role of early risk factors for arrest. Two hypotheses were evaluated: (a) Disproportionate minority arrest is due to increased exposure to early risk factors, and (b) a differential sensitivity to early risk factors contributes to disproportionate minority arrest. The study included 481 Black and White boys who were followed from childhood to early adulthood. A higher incidence of early risk factors accounted for racial differences related to any juvenile arrest, as well as differences in violence- and theft-related arrests. However, increased exposure to early risk factors did not explain race differences in drug-related arrests. Minimal support was found for the hypothesis that a differential sensitivity to risk factors accounts for disproportionate rate of minority male arrests. In sum, most racial discrepancies in juvenile male arrests were accounted for by an increased exposure to childhood risk factors. Specifically, Black boys were more likely to display early conduct problems and low academic achievement and experience poor parent–child communication, peer delinquency, and neighborhood problems, which increased their risk for juvenile arrest.
      Now, there are alternative hypotheses.  For example, the "early conduct problems" may be more common in black youths because teachers discipline students unfairly, and that in turn may put kids on the path to crime, but that does not explain the other factors and it does not seem a reach to suggest that, for example, poor parent-child communication severe enough to have a significant impact on a child's likelihood of juvenile arrest could also have a significant impact on a young child's behavior in school.
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    by Shockwave on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:04:38 AM PDT

  •  At least back during slavery, the slave owners had (8+ / 0-)

    ... the right to "discipline" those slaves with "weak impulse control."

    Ah, pining for the good ol' days again over at National Review...

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos, November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:08:52 AM PDT

  •  But it could be fun to infiltrate...nah, nevermind (1+ / 0-)
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    leave it for someone with a cast iron stomach...
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    by Penny GC on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:17:25 AM PDT

  •  Nutrition issues in poor communities... (13+ / 0-)

    ...conflated into "Black kids are naturally wild and uncontrollable, be afraid!"

    My UnGirlfriend is an elementary school teacher, and kind of a nut about nutritional issues-though I think she might be right, so maybe not so nutty, she's just downright militant about diet affecting a number of health issues...

    She has taught in schools in poor neighborhoods for years, and has been complaining that kids who get a poor diet are more likely to be children with "poor impulse control" and that a number of such students are African-American, not because they are predisposed to such behavior, but because poverty is disproportionately present in the African-American community, and poor kids are more likely to have crappy diets, regardless of their race.

    I don't know if she's right or fullovit, but I do know that my own health has improved in a variety of ways after beginning to add a fairly large dose of omega-3 EFAs from fish oil and krill oil to my diet.

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:19:06 AM PDT

  •  My asshole is jealous of the shit they write (11+ / 0-)

    "And the other conservatives said to the NR scorpion, "why did you say that out loud, you dipshit? Now we will ALL be shamed!"   And the NR scorpion replied, "I can't help it! It's my nature!"

    Seems to me, the National Review has no business lecturing anyone on impulse control.  It just can't help itself.

    "It was all a mistake! I'm dieting and I told my staff to close the FRIDGE!" --attributed to Governor Christie

    by AdmiralNaismith on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:29:18 AM PDT

  •  I didn't know you could type in dogwhistle (5+ / 0-)

    Seriously, National Review, this sounds like something out of 1950's South Africa.

    Regulate banks, not vaginas

    by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:35:52 AM PDT

    •  1950s (7+ / 0-)

      Alabama.

      Dick Gregory claimed in his stand-up act that he got fired from the Post Office for putting mail to Alabama in the Foreign slot.

      Wait, I'm sorry, I meant 1850s Alabama, when the Curse of Ham was the long-established official Southern Baptist excuse for slavery. Noah's son Ham supposedly did something unexplained and apparently unspeakable to his father, and God cursed Ham's son Canaan and all of the son's descendants to be dark-skinned, mentally and morally incompetent, and fit only to be servants or slaves. For their own good. (Except that none of that is in the Bible.)

      Because Noah, the only righteous man in the entire Earth, had just invented wine, got roaring drunk all by himself, and was lying around naked in his tent, passed out, with the door open, so of course it was his son's fault.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:05:07 PM PDT

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      •  Not so long ago... (1+ / 0-)
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        I heard that shit in 1994 in an SB Church from a deacon and Sunday School teacher...

        It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness- Unknown -7.50, -5.03

        by dawgflyer13 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:49:10 PM PDT

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        •  Fortunately, the SBC has officially renounced (1+ / 0-)
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          racism and the Curse of Ham theology.

          Unfortunately, they doubled down on the bigotry and misogyny.

          Fortunately, they are losing young people at the rate of millions annually.

          Unfortunately, they responded by recruiting minorities.

          Fortunately, they have elected a Black President.

          Unfortunately, he is a bigoted, misogynistic Creationist.

          In the movie Old Yeller, the character played by musician Taj Mahal tells a group of children about sneaking into a White Baptist church and almost getting caught. As he was fleeing through the woods for his life, he apologized to God for making all that trouble.

          "Think nothing of it, my son," God replied. "I have been trying to get in there for centuries."

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:39:21 PM PDT

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  •  The Notional Review (5+ / 0-)
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    has had poor impulse control from the beginning. It has gotten much worse ever since Bill Buckley died, and the same for the entire Republican Party. Buckley claimed that the purpose of the Review was to

    stand athwart history, yelling "Stop!"
    But in reality it was always yelling "Go back!" as we slid ever further down the slippery slope toward the Republic with Liberty and Justice for all that they pretend to venerate.

    The history of poor impulse control can be traced back to Greek veneration of the Trojan War, supposedly started because this guy Paris allowed himself to be bribed by Aphrodite with the opportunity to make off with the most beautiful woman in the world, Helen, daughter of Zeus. And indeed much further, as in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and so on.

    Some Christians say that it started with the Fall. Buddhists say that greed, hate, and delusion have no beginning. YMMV.

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    by Mokurai on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:42:48 AM PDT

  •  Thankfully, whites (14+ / 0-)

    don't have weak impulse control -- say, for instance serial killers -- it takes pretty good impulse control to plan out multiple murders with similar MOs and not get caught for awhile -- which is the reason more than 81% of serial killers are white guys.

    And really, think of the stamina it takes to be a happy go lucky slacker pathological liar which is why 85% of Congress is white.  

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:50:40 AM PDT

  •  Well, we know SOMEBODY has an impulse control... (5+ / 0-)
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    ...disorder, don't we Heather?

  •  ...all part of them 'taking their country back'. (5+ / 0-)
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    Expect more of the same, much more.


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    by glb3 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:05:25 PM PDT

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    So lets take it as a given that the National Review is staffed by racist and right-wing nutjobs. But now we're left with the issue of addressing the facts they raise. And knee-jerk responses of racism don't really address the issue - in fact they just serve to prolong the problem. Is it not the case that the black community has an issue here of many single parents, overworked moms, and absentee dads who father children without a care? Then wouldn't that have some kind of impact on the behavior of said children raised without the father's influence, which is basically the disciplining factor in raising children? Is it then so surprising that those children would have discipline problems in school?

    •  The study says.... (21+ / 0-)
      Mac Donald is spending her entire column asserting that black children have less "impulse control" than white children and are therefore being more disruptive, perhaps because their parents are similarly terrible, but the studies actually show that black children are given harsher punishments (suspensions, etc.) than white children who commit the exact same acts. That's rather key: Race-based disparities in punishments would seem to suggest race-based disparities in punishments, period.
      So for example if a white child slaps a classmate and gets a time out and the black child slaps a classmate and gets expelled - how could it not be racial? Sure looks like it to me.

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:52:01 PM PDT

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      •  'Cause you can't be liberal and racist, right? (4+ / 0-)

        That's certainly the implication of this statement:

        Instead, we are supposed to believe that well-meaning teachers, who have spent their entire time in ed school steeped in the doctrine of “white privilege” and who are among the most liberal segments of the workforce, suddenly become bigots once in the classroom and begin arbitrarily suspending pacific black children out of racial bias.
        Apparently the highly education MacDonald can't fathom that even bleeding-heart liberals have been raised in a culture steeped in racial bias and white privilege, and may act according to that teaching, even without realizing it. It's known in some circles as "racism among the well-intended."

        Science Blogs

        You see, one does not have to be a flaming white supremacist to be influenced by the constant negative messages about people of color, especially men, in our society. And race is not the only facet that can produce these results. Feminists can be sexist toward other women, and gay men can be horrible toward other gay men who are perceived as too effeminate.

        Of course, to know this, Ms. MacDonald would have to leave her gated suburb and actually talk to people who didn't attend Andover.

        Cruelty might be very human, and it might be very cultural, but it's not acceptable.- Jodie Foster

        by CPT Doom on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:28:50 PM PDT

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      •  Keep in mind, folks, (1+ / 0-)
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        teachers in public schools do NOT expel students.   Administration does.  Teachers document disruptions in their classrooms.  So of a child is a constant source of problems, e.g. bothering other students, aggressive behavior, etc etc, the first job of the teacher is to make various attempts at modifying the behavior.  When all else fails, documentation happens and it is a timely thing.

        Often expulsions result from behaviors on the playground, fights, etc and the classroom teacher often has no say so in what happens, particularly in the upper grades.

        Not saying that there are no racist teachers.  There are.  .  

         But just be clear.  In most public schools, it is not teachers deciding on expulsions/suspensions.  

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        by Jjc2006 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:50:44 PM PDT

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        •  I don't think anyone should be expelled. Ever. (0+ / 0-)

          Having no relevant experience, I guess I can believe what I want, but it seems to me that behavior issue are a sign that something is seriously wrong, and the next task should be to figure out what and try to correct it, not just toss them out to fend for themselves.  Of course it's much easier all around to toss the kid out, the school doesn't have to deal with it, and the kid gets to do whatever he wants.  No school.  Whee!  Some punishment when you're 14.  

          I'm still mad about Nixon.

          by J Orygun on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 04:29:41 PM PDT

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          •  I agree for the most part... (0+ / 0-)

            However in extreme cases (in my 40+ years in the classroom in public ed, I have seen only a few so extreme)that I knew (though I did not have the decision making power))  the child needed something we could not give.

            One was a middle school 8th grader who became so angry at another student (over a girl) he went after him and when the male band/music teacher got between them, he ended up with a cut eye, broken glasses.  Luckily one of the students ran and got another teacher, another male, and between the two of them they were able to get the student off the other child.  

            I happened to be on my planning period and heard the commotion and went to help.  All I ended up doing was moving the students out of the classroom to another room and calm them down.  Police were called and the student was taken away.  Apparently it had not been his first violent incident.  

            However our district, a large district, had at that time, alternative schools (middle and high schools) where students like this one would be placed (sometimes by the courts, sometimes by the school before incidents happened).  However those are the kinds of public schools that are usually cut when the "austerity" bug hits communities.

            Most teachers, the good ones anyway, do not believe expulsion is the answer.  But we also know that not all students can be in regular ed.  We need classrooms to accommodate all kinds of human beings.....we know how to meet their needs.  But the money people want to cut because they have convinced the public that if there were no teacher unions, no public schools, they, the corporates could fix all those kids (translated......for profit schools with a pipeline to for profit prisons).

            “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

            by Jjc2006 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 06:11:02 PM PDT

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      •  Where does the study say that? (1+ / 0-)
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        studies actually show that black children are given harsher punishments (suspensions, etc.) than white children who commit the exact same acts.
        I don't see any data presented that addresses this issue.
        •  Maybe you missed . . . (0+ / 0-)

          this story:

          But the research challenges that assumption. Even when they commit the exact same offense as white students, black students suffer more severe consequences, according to research.
          The research was conducted by a group of experts called the Discipline Disparities Research-to-Practice Collaborative.  Moreover, their findings are supported by the U.S. Department of Justice (pdf):
          The Departments recognize that disparities in student discipline rates in a school or district may be caused by a range of factors. However, research suggests that the substantial racial disparities of the kind reflected in the CRDC data are not explained by more frequent or more serious misbehavior by students of color.
          As hard as it may be for some of us white folks to admit, racism is indeed a problem and will remain one as long as some of us continue to deny it.  

          "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

          by FogCityJohn on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 05:42:09 PM PDT

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          •  No, I didn't miss it (0+ / 0-)

            But when I looked at the actual DOJ report it doesn't say that.  The other group published a summary report, but again doesn't cite any research or data that demonstrates that.

            I also saw the AJC piece, which is an editorial, not a news report.  Note that the NY Times article on the recent report mentions the disparities in suspensions, etc., but says nothing about whether they were for similar offenses.

            http://www.nytimes.com/...

            I think this story has been taken places beyond what was found, and more media is citing sources that never reference the actual original source of the claim.

            So do you know where that claim came from?

            What is probably the most disturbing aspect of the report--the unequal access to advanced classes and experienced teachers--has been given relatively little coverage.  I think that's a shame.

            •  I'm not surprised. (0+ / 0-)

              You look at a report from which I have copied and pasted a direct quote, and then try to tell me that the report -- from which said quote is copied and pasted -- doesn't actually say that.

              Your denialism on the subject of racism appears to know no bounds.

              "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

              by FogCityJohn on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 06:32:40 PM PDT

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            •  But here . . . (0+ / 0-)

              since you seem to think the AJC is lying about the contents of the report, you can find a relevant portion of the group's research right here (pdf).

              Here's a quote from the linked document, a quote which I am once again cutting and pasting directly from the document:

              Nor is there evidence that students of color engage in rates of disruptive behavior sufficiently different from others to justify higher rates of punishment. Survey data from 8th and 10th grade Black, White, and Hispanic/Latino students indicate that Black males reported similar or lower use of drugs, alcohol, and weapons at school compared to other students, yet they also reported receiving more suspensions than any other group.19 Black and Hispanic/Latino high school students
              were significantly more likely than White students to be suspended out of school even with the same level of misbehavior
              .
              Oh, and since you like to claim the quotes aren't in the documents I link to, you'll find that one on page 2, starting at the bottom of the middle column and continuing up to the top of the right column.

              Not that any amount of research or data is likely to satisfy you that racism could actually be a problem.

              "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

              by FogCityJohn on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 07:08:17 PM PDT

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              •  OK, thank you (0+ / 0-)

                It's a summary document of other research but it does say what it says.  Of course, "same level of misbehavior" is not really the same as "commit the exact same acts."  

                That's one reason I doubted such research findings exist--because perceptions of most forms of misbehavior are grossly subjective.  I would like to see evidence that bias occurs for suspensions or expulsions for certain well-defined criteria, such as bringing a gun to school, or selling drugs on campus, or hitting a teacher.  From what I've seen of this research, the way they categorize levels of bad behavior is pretty vague and subjective.  

                With the whole zero tolerance style of discipline,  I would think there would be fewer instances of racial bias.  In that sense it's a good thing, in that it makes it less subjective.  I'm sure that it is in the behaviors that are more subject to discretionary discipline--acting up in class, uncooperative with teacher's instructions--that bias is most likely to occur.

                And I have zero doubt it does.

                •  Like I said (0+ / 0-)

                  No amount of research or data will ever be enough to convince you that racism is a problem.

                  So please feel free continue on with your rationalizations. But don't expect those of us who take racism seriously to pay much attention to your denialism.

                  "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

                  by FogCityJohn on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 10:46:06 AM PDT

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    •  You know what (14+ / 0-)

      contrary to popular belief, everyone in the "black community"  were not raised by single mothers with missing fathers.  Everyone in the "black community", did not grow up hungry and poor.  Every man in the "black community" didn't "father children without a care".

      Also contrary to popular belief, there are men of all races and cultures that father children without a care.  It is not some super special black only trait.

      I just love it when social economic issues are used to brand black people as a whole as lazy, fatherless, violent, wild hellions.  

      Just sayin'.

      •  Not everyone. 72% is not everyone. (1+ / 0-)
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        by SpamNunn on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:12:06 PM PDT

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        •  Wow. Just wow. (1+ / 0-)
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          Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

          by earicicle on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 01:52:56 AM PDT

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          •  You can look it up. (0+ / 0-)

            72% of black children are born to single moms.  

            If you get confused, listen to the music play - R. Hunter

            by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 05:11:57 AM PDT

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            •  No they aren't (1+ / 0-)
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              First of all, the only statistics tracked are women who get pregnant without getting married. And that is a very outdated tracking system, as many women get pregnant, don't get married, but the father still remains a part of the family. This is especially true among younger people who don't always see the point of marriage the way older folks do.

              Second, even going with that outdated system, it's 62%, not 72%. You're looking at data that is outdated, as the number of unmarried women of all races who are getting pregnant has dropped sharply in the last decade.

              Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

              by moviemeister76 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:40:45 AM PDT

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              •  Not according to the US Census (0+ / 0-)

                Don Lemon got in hot water over this, and the numbers he cited were found to be correct.

                In 2010, close to 73 percent of African-American children were born out of wedlock. The percentage of African-American children growing up in single-parent households was found to be slightly lower, at 67 percent.   That does not mean that you never see your Dad, it just means that he's not living with you and is not there to raise you, on a day to day basis.  

                Sadly, despite what you say, this is a trend that is increasing in all demographic groups.  

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                by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 11:53:26 AM PDT

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                •  Cite your data (1+ / 0-)
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                  Because I've got data from the cdc stating that the percent of babies born to unmarried black mothers in 2012 was 62%. And on top of that, all the data shows that this is on the decline.

                  And there are reasons that black women, especially in poor areas, would list themselves as single mothers. If the father is a convicted felon, it affects all kinds of things, thus making it logical to tell the government that the father is not there. Does not mean he actually is not there helping to raise the child. Which is why I say that even measuring this in poor areas is tricky business.

                  Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

                  by moviemeister76 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 01:18:30 PM PDT

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                  •  Here you go. (0+ / 0-)

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                    by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 07:19:29 PM PDT

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                    •  Um (0+ / 0-)

                      You just posted the link I did, and on page 9 of that document it says that the percentage is 62%. Are you trolling?

                      Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

                      by moviemeister76 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:55:42 PM PDT

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                      •  You need to read it again. (0+ / 0-)

                        The figure for non-Hispanic Black is what I said it was.  

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                        by SpamNunn on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 04:50:25 AM PDT

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                        •  Ah (0+ / 0-)

                          You are correct. I was looking at the birth rate, not the proportion. However, the other factors are important. The birth rate for all black women, married or unmarried, seems to be at the lowest it's ever been. And I still say that one of the reasons why we saw such a huge spike in unmarried black women is because of the changes made to TANF. After all, this huge spike in unmarried pregnancies didn't actually occur until around the year 2000, which was just a couple years after the changes were made.

                          In other words, the birth rate is at its lowest, because black women realize it's dangerous for them to have children now so fewer are having them. Even the birth rate for married black women is historically low, lower even than white women.

                          As usual, Ta-Nehisi Coates explains it way better than I do.

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                          by moviemeister76 on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 09:46:28 AM PDT

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                          •  She said this, which misses the point: (0+ / 0-)
                            There is nothing "immoral" or "pathological" about deciding not to marry.
                            Likes it's a decision, like when a single lesbian mother decides to undergo in vitro fertilization so that she can have a family, or that young professional women of color are making a conscious decision to have children but not marry.  

                            That's not what's happening, for the most part.   Drill down through the Census numbers and you will see that the women who are making this "choice" are poor and live in big cities.  

                            It's not about morality.  

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                            by SpamNunn on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 10:26:57 AM PDT

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      •  You're avoiding the issue (0+ / 0-)

        Leave aside the biases of whoever is conducting the survey, writing a report, or carrying out a socialogical experiment and just think this through. There is a higher rate of "single parentism" among the black community, most of whom are single moms. Now I ask you, don't you think that is going to have an impact, statistically speaking, on the children? The father plays an important role in providing discipline (to girls) and additionally a role model for boys. When the father is absent, isn't it more likely that the child will have discipline problems outside of the home.

    •  Just asking questions, right? (1+ / 0-)
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      Except that you're presuming facts not in evidence, counselor. These 'issues' you raise aren't necessarily exclusive to or emphasized in any ethnic or racial group, and you and the right wing certainly haven't demonstrated as much here.

      There's nothing knee-jerk about correctly identifying and pointing out racism on the right, and ignoring it is not going to fix that problem on the right. But then, the right doesn't want it fixed, eh?

      The Stand Your Ground defense is like bleach. It works miracles for whites, but it will ruin your colors. -- Jessica Williams on The Daily Show

      by tytalus on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 06:26:49 PM PDT

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  •  So many, many times I have a jaw-dropping read (9+ / 0-)

    of what these people say. They are hideous people. Remember the Koch brothers daddy helped distribute vile anti-integration cr-p about Dr. King. I feel soiled just thinking about it.

  •  And this was presented as reasoned thinking by (1+ / 0-)
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    who again? Never mind. Another cracked pot heard from, again. Sigh......

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    by flycaster on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:21:22 PM PDT

  •  I think you meant "desegregation" (2+ / 0-)
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    in the third to last paragraph, no?

    NRO = Nauseatingly Racist Offal.

  •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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    This certainly sheds light on the rationale behind their constant anti-Obama screeds as well.  And let's apply their "logic" to their arguments for voter ID laws, shall we?

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    by TDDVandy on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:43:56 PM PDT

  •  Its no laughing matter (2+ / 0-)
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    but "climbing Mt. Racist to plant their flags" is very funny.

    You can just see them toiling up the slopes.

    Remember to kick it over.

    by sprogga on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:47:13 PM PDT

  •  I cannot help but loathe these people. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    by rubyr on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:54:08 PM PDT

  •  So according to her, (6+ / 0-)

    the symptom is the cause, and the cause is ignored.

    As the parent of a kid who came home every day from 1st grade with a pink slip for not standing in bathroom line properly and such, I can tell you that it becomes very frustrating for the kid. Of course, they will act up, they are kids. Punish them endlessly for bullshit things and they will act up even further. Until the day he was so frustrated he jab himself in the hand with his pencil. At the meeting the following day every time they said his name the word problem soon followed. And he was IN the room.

    He never attended public school again, amen.

  •  People who say stupid shit like (10+ / 0-)
    Also on Friday, the New York media reported that a 14-year-old boy riding a bus in Brooklyn the previous night had opened fire on the bus and fatally shot an innocent 39-year-old passenger in the head. Did anyone doubt the race of the killer, even though the media did not disclose it?
    Are just begging to have question turned back on them:

    Did anyone doubt the race of the guy practicing his 2nd Amendment rights in the Newtown Connecticut grade school?

  •  The father who killed the kid in daughter's bed (1+ / 0-)
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    White or Black?
    Did you have an initial reaction?
    I did, and I was wrong.
    Racist? Yeah, probably.

  •  The writer based that comment about the shooting (0+ / 0-)

    on statistical probability, which was the basis for the other premise. This is what the comment about the shooting said, in context:

    Did anyone doubt the race of the killer, even though the media did not disclose it? Blacks commit nearly 80 percent of all shootings in New York City, even though they are only 23 percent of the population; whites commit less than 2 percent of all shootings in New York City, though they are 35 percent of the population. The chance that that young bus killer was a model pupil, quietly paying attention in class and not disturbing his fellow students and teacher, is close to zero.
    You can argue with the logic of the argument, but the statistics cited are, to the best of my ability to check, correct.

    Statistically, children raised in single family households are more likely to be disciplinary problems in school.  That's not racism.  That's a very sad fact.   I wish we would devote more attention to solving the problem of how to assist in raising children who have to be raised by a single parent who can't be there because they have to work.  Often, their teachers fill that role.   They all need more help.  

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    by SpamNunn on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:09:53 PM PDT

    •  The problem with using statistics to guide (2+ / 0-)
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      behavior is that almost all of us are dealing with individuals or small groups in our everyday lives, not statistical samples.

      Most of what we think are race-related factors in the US disappear if you match income levels.  There's a lot more similarities than differences between poor Black kids in the inner city areas of large cities, the poor White kids living in small communities in Appalachia, and the poor Native American kids living on a reservation.

    •  The statistics about murder Mac Donald quoted (2+ / 0-)
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      may be accurate, but her use of them is either woefully ignorant or intellectually dishonest to a repugnant degree.  Murder statistics are affected by socio-economic class and other factors.  Whites in New York city average out at a way higher income level than blacks. Especially in New York City. That matters.  Surely you don't think that whites commit only 2% of murders in this country as a whole.

       In addition, a significant percentage of the killings are related to drug trafficking and organized crime.  As I assume you know, drugs and organized crime have been dominated by different groups at different stages of US history.  The Irish ran the mobs at one point; the Italians later; Puerto RIcan and Russian mobs have played their part. Currently, there's more organized crime in black communities than white communities in NYC -- unless of course you consider corporations stealing people's houses or dumping toxins in their water and crashing the economy to be organized crime, but that's a whole other question.  The existence of Italian mobs or Irish crime bosses did not prove that those groups innately lack impulse control or are innately savage, tho it did feed those stereotypes at the time.  The existence of organized crime in the black community doesn't prove any of that drek either.  

      What I'm saying here, and what should be obvious to anyone pretending to the intellectual chops to write for a supposedly leading journal of conservative thought, is that you can't just pull some isolated crime statistics out of your hat and claim to prove anything.  Especially, you can't prove derogatory stereotypes of children, and thereby justify the differential, unjust treatment of those children.  "It's common sense!"  No, it's the racist assumptions that she began with.  That's all.

      Mac Donald's article deserves no respect, and really, no serious discussion.  She throws some utterly unanalyzed facts around as if she cared about them, and then just dumps racist rancor on a bunch of children.  My god.  Preschool kids.  They're all jumbled up with murderers in her mind.

      This is intellectual conservatism?  This is the best they've got?  

      Pitiful.

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      by Fiona West on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 08:27:01 PM PDT

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    •  This comment makes me very sad for you. (0+ / 0-)

      That you hold such beliefs. Maybe someday one of my AA nephews--raised by a single mother who works full time--will be your doctor. And then maybe you will understand how 'damaged' they were by their 'problematic, undisciplined' childhoods.

      Saying a prayer for you, SpamNunn. You know the one.

      Love,
      ear

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      by earicicle on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 02:00:28 AM PDT

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      •  I love that prayer, but you don't need to pray for (1+ / 0-)
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        me, ear.   I try to read carefully.  

        I grew up in a black neighborhood.  My brother in law is black. I  have no issues with people of color, as some might suggest.  

        My belief is based on fact.  Statistically, if you come from a single family home, you are more likely to have issues.   I wish that weren't so, but it is.   There are many successful people - several Presidents, for example- who show, though, that it's not a foregone conclusion.   My wish is that we could figure out how to help those moms, instead of attacking their teachers as racists for disciplining their children.

        Take care.  

        If you get confused, listen to the music play - R. Hunter

        by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 05:10:52 AM PDT

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        •  some of your best friends, even. right? (0+ / 0-)

          This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

          by mallyroyal on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 09:23:06 AM PDT

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          •  While that was uncalled for, it's actually true. (1+ / 0-)
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            I did not realize that I was supposed to hate people who were not like me until I went to a school where I was a member of the majority - and I never felt like I was not part of the neighborhood crew when I was growing up.  If I had the time, I could recount a story or two about how I almost got killed because I failed to realize that black people who did not know me would not really be receptive to the way I interacted with them or spoke to them until they figured out what I was about.  They just thought I was some wise ass white guy.  Navin Johnson had nothing on me.  

            I thought you knew me better than this by now, mally.  I know that this is a subject that is hurtful to discuss, but I don't think that you can say that no one besides a person of color can discuss it.  Children are children.  They need our help.   We can't ignore a problem because it's too painful to address.   Peace.

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            by SpamNunn on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 11:48:06 AM PDT

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  •  What do you expect from pro-Klan Nat'l Review? (3+ / 0-)
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    Doubt me on this?  Here's the money quote from 1957:

    The central question that emerges—and it is not a parliamentary question or a question that is answered by merely consulting a catalog of the rights of American citizens, born Equal—is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes—the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race.

    National Review believes that the South's premises are correct. If the majority wills what is socially atavistic, then to thwart the majority may be, though undemocratic, enlightened. It is more important for any community, anywhere in the world, to affirm and live by civilized standards, than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority. Sometimes it becomes impossible to assert the will of a minority, in which case it must give way; and the society will regress; sometimes the numerical minority cannot prevail except by violence: then it must determine whether the prevalence of its will is worth the terrible price of violence.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:10:29 PM PDT

  •  Since we also see children as young as 4 (1+ / 0-)
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    reflecting the social perceptions that a white babydoll is good and pretty, and the black babydoll is bad and ugly ...  might it be partly the case that children who have already been taught they are worth less, just might be less compliant?  I know I would be.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:13:19 PM PDT

    •  Are you suggesting then that the article is (0+ / 0-)

      correct but just because of a different cause than the one stated??

      •  I'm suggesting that hate hurts children (1+ / 0-)
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        and that people who've been hurt carry wounds.  

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:50:26 AM PDT

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        •  So you are saying they ARE prone to 'weaker (0+ / 0-)

          impulse control', although you use 'compliant', because of a different reason, that being they are taught they are worth less. Is this your argument?

          •  "Prone to weaker impulse control" is a framing (0+ / 0-)

            that sound essentialist to me, which is the opposite of my point, so no to that.  But yes, I do think that children of any color who are constantly told they are bad and disruptive, are thereby influenced to act out in ways that are bad and disruptive.  Perhaps you believe the contrary, that constant negative messaging has no effect on behavior, or perhaps even contributes to make its victims stronger and better and wiser as they endure and rise above it.  But for myself, yes, I do think that derogatory messages affecting self-esteem, also affect behavior, including in young children.

            I also quite agree that children of color, or any other perceived out group,  are far more likely to be punished for disruption even when it is entirely unwarranted.

            It seems to me that both phenomena can be true and can exist at the same time.  

            "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

            by lgmcp on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 04:23:06 PM PDT

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            •  After all that pointed questioning (0+ / 0-)

              I did think you might engage with my response.

              "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

              by lgmcp on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:19:34 AM PDT

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          •  And so? (0+ / 0-)

            "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

            by lgmcp on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:47:40 AM PDT

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  •  George Wallace elected President (1+ / 0-)
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    Did I miss that election where George Wallace was elected President in the revisionist preferred history of the National Review, and segregation and Jim Crow remain the reasonable outcome of the natural, Biblical order?

    "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:14:35 PM PDT

  •  another example (1+ / 0-)
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    of the National Review echo chamber, in which they think they're being totally reasonable (and hey! even magnanimous!) because they all just talk to each other, write for each other, and hang around with only people just like them. That's why when someone says something so racist as to be breathtaking, they act confused and puzzled as to why everyone is so upset. Because it's the same people in the pool with others exactly like them.

    Life is a shipwreck. But we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats. — Voltaire

    by agrenadier on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:15:50 PM PDT

  •  Frankly, this is what we get for tolerating (2+ / 0-)
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    pseudoscientists who come up with junk science like "weak impulse control" and "oppositional defiant disorder". You know perfectly well crap of that kind is made up to give supposed "experts" unjustified political power over others. Naturally other opportunists will try to grab these political weapons for their own uses.

    American Presidents: 43 men, 0 women. Ready for Hillary

    by atana on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:18:19 PM PDT

  •  That's what made them such lousy slaves. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Battling psychiatric myths with sensible skepticism at www.makingsenseofpsychiatry.com

    by candid psychiatrist on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:19:27 PM PDT

  •  This isn't a dog whistle - it's an effin' (4+ / 0-)
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    burning cross!  They couldn't have been clearer in their message if they'd hired a sky-writer.

  •  What can one say? (0+ / 0-)

    Seriously … this is deeply fucked up.  It’s as if conditions and poverty have zero to do with behavior.  Out here in crime-free suburbia, people are just better.  Even the "Canadians!"  Which kind of disproves this sheet-wearer’s point.

    By "Canadians," I'm referring to suburban Phila usage for blah people.  I've heard many people actually do this.  My friend heard it and said, "Canadians?  What do you mean?"

    The person shot back, derisively, "Niggers!"

    Yeah, we're post-racial cuz Obama is Canadian.

  •  Comparing Black and White Children (0+ / 0-)

    with similar income levels, access to decent housing and medical care and caring teachers? Doesn't this study simply re-state that there are many African-American children living in poverty, and who are the children of parents who might lack parenting skills and access to various support systems, institutions and ... employment?

  •  LOL (0+ / 0-)

    They never met my (white) kid. They also never taught kids of all races with similar incomes.

    "The 'Middle' is a crowded place - that is where the effective power is - the extreme right and left might annoy governments, but the middle terrifies them." Johnny Linehan

    by northsylvania on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:28:56 PM PDT

  •  National Review has an impulse control problem (9+ / 0-)

    They can't help displaying their racism.

    the fact that you're right is nothing more than interesting

    by Egg on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:31:47 PM PDT

  •  Are they kiddin' me? (0+ / 0-)

    T'his country is like a racist's paradise.

    Black children have weak implulse contol?

    Gee--would it be time to segregate the schools again?

    Rose Schneiderman (1866-1972). "The life of men and women is so cheap and property is so sacred."

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:35:05 PM PDT

  •  I disagree with the conclusions drawn in the (1+ / 0-)
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    National Review but I'm confused by the statement that blacks are being punished disportionality to whites for the same offense.  Does that mean blacks are committing more acts that are punishable or that if a black child and white child commit the  same punishable act the black child is likely to receive punishment and the white child is not?  Teachers are being racist then? A cite to the answer.  I couldn't find it in the original source.  Thanks.

    If I comply with non-compliance am I complying? Sarcasm is the ability to insult stupid people without them realizing it.

    by thestructureguy on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:35:57 PM PDT

    •  Unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

      Much of the hard data is behind a paywall. For some reason, I still have access at the university I just graduated from, so I can see the research for now.

      In this article:
      Multilevel exploration of factors contributing to the overrepresentation of black students in office disciplinary referrals. By: Bradshaw, Catherine P., Mitchell, Mary M., O'Brennan, Lindsey M., Leaf, Philip J., Journal of Educational Psychology, 00220663, 2010, Vol. 102, Issue 2

      The researchers found that even when they looked at how teachers viewed their individual students, teachers were still more likely to refer black students for discipline than white students they viewed as equally a problem.

      Not only that, all the research I have read shows that white students are expelled far more for often reasons that are objective, such as drug or alcohol use, or brandishing some kind of weapon. In other words, offenses about which there are very clear rules. Black students are far more likely to be referred for discipline for subjective behavior, things left completely up to a teacher's discretion.

      And when it comes to the punishment, research of schools in North Carolina from 2010 shows that black students are far more likely to be suspended for a first-time offense than a white student who committed the same offense the first time.

      Here is a pretty good summary of the data, with a nice bibliography at the end.

      Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

      by moviemeister76 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 10:24:03 AM PDT

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  •  this part (0+ / 0-)

    "Did anyone doubt the race of the killer, even though the media did not disclose it?"

    This is a statement so racist that the person who said it must have a different white-sheet-and-hood combo for every night of the week in their closet. Stunning, molecular-level dehumanization, hatred and bigotry... almost the most racist possible thing that could be said. Someone call the Guinness Book, hurry.

    "Some of you are going to die... martyrs, of course, to the Freedom that I will provide!"

    by emperor nobody on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:00:26 PM PDT

  •  Hunter, The National Review is unworthy of comment (0+ / 0-)
  •  Jackie Robinson (0+ / 0-)

    That's what the great Jackie Robinson's detractors said would lead to his failure.  How did that work out for them?

    In loyalty to their kind, they cannot tolerate our minds. In loyalty to our kind, We cannot tolerate their obstruction.

    by mojave mike on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:06:39 PM PDT

  •  Racism unleased! Wow--I always knew there (1+ / 0-)
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    were a lot of racists in America, but they are really, really no longer hiding it anymore.  Mac Donald's article is stunning in its failure to account for so many factors that go into being human, for goodness sake!  We are complex creatures that communicate with each other on many levels and in many ways.  It is as if Mac Donald did not even consider the effects of people believing black kids are automatic criminals just by being.  How can kids not absorb that crap from the outside?  Remember that strategy about saying lies until people believe?  Same.  Goes.  This.  Stuff.  You insist to a four-year old that he is bad, and he will start to believe it if there are not substantial counter forces keeping those toxic thoughts at bay.    

    Mix the blood and make new people!

    by Yonkers Boy on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:09:33 PM PDT

    •  They haven't been hiding it. "One term President" (0+ / 0-)

      was racist at the outset. They had nothing to object to Other than his race at that point. When the teahadist do a 180 on any of their own ideological beliefs just because Obama publicly embraces, endorses or accepts, they expose their core.  

      21st Century America: The distracted, superficial perception of a virtual reality. Gettov Milawn

      by geez53 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:22:52 PM PDT

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  •  No one here seems to be cancelling their (1+ / 0-)
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    subscription to the National Review.

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:16:10 PM PDT

  •  Isn't "less impulse control" (0+ / 0-)

    Something that is scientifically discernible?  And, if so, isn't it folly for conservatives to claim that less impulse control amongst AA's "obviously" exists and on the flip side isn't it also folly to assume there is no difference amongst the "races"?

    We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

    by theotherside on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:21:08 PM PDT

    •  What if such research showed (0+ / 0-)

      a particular demographic group to have "less impulse control?"   Do you really think that is a useful line of inquiry?  What should be done if the results showed a difference?

      •  i would want to know root cause (0+ / 0-)

        Is it genetic or environmental or something else?

        For example, I hear lead exposure leads to less impulse control which leads to more murder and other violence.   Less exposure has apparently led to a decline in murder and other crimes.

        We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

        by theotherside on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:52:52 PM PDT

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        •  Looking at environmental exposures is key (0+ / 0-)

          Just looking at demographics alone only gives you clues about underlying causes.  We can change things like lead exposure and poor nutrition.  That's one simple reason why   looking for genetic causes of human behavior is not likely to be very useful.

          •  What is with this "lead exposure" business? (0+ / 0-)

            When my children were young it was front page news. Get rid of leaded paint, scrape it off older buildings, etc. Bad for brain and body, especially for kids. A regulation or something came out whereby paint wasn't to have lead anymore. Also gas. Children's brains are saved!

            My kids are now in their 50's and suddenly I'm reading and hearing about lead again. And everyone acts like it's a new idea, Do we have to learn all over again every generation?

            •  No, we don't (0+ / 0-)

              The recent stories about lead exposure that I've seen are saying that researchers think that there is a correlation between lowering lead exposure and the drop in serious crime that we have seen in the last 20 or so years.

              It's also going around that poorer neighborhoods may still disproportionately have more lead than middle or upper class neighborhoods putting them at further disadvantage.  So it could perhaps be reasonable to identify the extent to which this is true and then have the government take action to help reduce the exposure to lead even further.

              We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

              by theotherside on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 05:12:05 PM PDT

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              •  But isn't it reasonable to assume (I know, I know) (0+ / 0-)

                that the "greatest, richest, bestest country on the planet" would be able to clean it up in 50 years? Surely everything paintable gets repainted in that amount of time. How many generations should we expect it to take?

                •  The paint gets covered but (0+ / 0-)

                  unless it is stripped off, or the surface is replaced, the lead is still in the paint that is underneath.  Whenever that paint is disturbed, due to deterioration, or chipping, oe during renovations, then that lead becomes available to poison more children.  

                  There are still millions of housing units in this country that contains high levels of leaded paint.  Not all of it is immediately dangerous for the children living in those homes, but it needs to be kept intact.

                  There is also a huge amount of lead remaining in soil from leaded gasoline.  Children playing in that dirt, bringing it in the house, etc, is another source of significant exposure.

        •  Yes, the parallel between reduction of lead (1+ / 0-)
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          exposure and reduction of violent crime is really striking.  I've also read things also about poor nutrition leading to poor attention/focus, and more disruptive behavior.  But I can't provide a link to that.  Another obvious factor is class size, which generally increases in poorer schools, and which any teacher knows correlates with more disruptive classrooms. A harder to measure factor is self-image, which causes even young black children to often choose white dolls as prettier and "good."

          The thing is that Mac Donald goes immediately to assuming a racial basis for behavior, so  the conversation loses any usefulness.  Other factors are not being really measured or weighed, while racial correlation is taken as proof. What Mac Donald just presents her assumptions ("Does anybody doubt...?"), and unanalyzed numbers that she believes support her assumptions, and calls that proof.  Or "common sense."  The way a social scientist would attempt to measure behavior while controlling for various factors (economic status, class size, adequate breakfast, etc.) is totally foreign to this kind of writing.  She can't be bothered with that.  She starts with emotional impact (an innocent person shot dead by a violent kid), ties that to race, and she's done.

          That’s pretty much a classic example of racism.

          --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

          by Fiona West on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 04:45:06 PM PDT

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  •  SILLY "National Review"... (1+ / 0-)
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    There they go again, shamelessly chasing the Black vote...

    "There's always room for cello." Yo Yo Ma

    by ceebee7 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:28:19 PM PDT

  •  what an embarrassing artlcle (1+ / 0-)
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    to write.  What a lack of any understanding of humans.  Does the writer live in a box isolated from the world? There are children from all races who can control impulses.  There are children from all races who can't control impulses.  That is what 18 years of working with children has taught me.  

  •  1. All Toddlers have weak impulse control (2+ / 0-)
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    2. Plenty of studies out that show even infants understand when things are unfair.Here is one such study

    3. When children (and some adults) realize that disparity is a feature, not a bug, and it pertains to them, there is no reason (it is not reasonable to ask them) to follow the rules, because the rules are not applied equally to everyone.

    What some might imagine to be poor impulse control, may simply be a normal reaction to untenable circumstances.

    If the powers that be, think bullying is a wide spread problem, then perhaps they should consider institutional discrimination as simply another form of bullying, and then imagine themselves as the recipient of that treatment, and what they might do as a result.

    "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

    by GreenMother on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:44:15 PM PDT

  •  I think that Hunter needed to have not been so (0+ / 0-)

    quick to crop that shooting incident quote, so that it could be read in context:

    Did anyone doubt the race of the killer even though the media did not disclose it?
    The rest of the quote:
    Blacks commit nearly 80 percent of all shootings in New York City, even though they are only 23 percent of the population; whites commit less than 2 percent of all shootings in New York City, though they are 35 percent of the population. The chance that that young bus killer was a model pupil, quietly paying attention in class and not disturbing his fellow students and teacher, is close to zero.  
    That's misleading, like if you boxed a quote of me saying that
    Hunter blows
    things out of proportion, sometimes, by the way he crops his quotes.   That "snip" can make a big difference, especially where people can't bother to follow the link to read the actual article.  

    If you get confused, listen to the music play - R. Hunter

    by SpamNunn on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:45:52 PM PDT

  •  4YO impulse control is an oxymoron. (0+ / 0-)

    that's what you learn in the first several grades.

    The whole preschool thing is part of of a general response differential.

    I suspect that you'd find that the disparity in levels of discipline are mostly due to a minority of teachers in a minority of schools.

  •  Eugenics (0+ / 0-)

    When will stupid people stop doing this?

  •  Everyone knows about those (0+ / 0-)

    thugs like the two teens who shot a police officer before killing themselves...oh, wait...

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 03:43:59 PM PDT

  •  The National Review has low (1+ / 0-)
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    bigotry control. Zombie Buckley can attest to that.

  •  It wouldn't surprise me to find that weak (1+ / 0-)
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    impulse control is statistically more common amongst children of all races raised in inner city neighborhoods polluted with heavy metals -- particularly lead.

    I'm guessing the NR wouldn't favor a multibillion-dollar undertaking to clean those places up.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 04:01:25 PM PDT

    •  I'd expect that the NR would argue that they (1+ / 0-)
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      chose to live there as part of their poor choices which led them to be poor.

      I'm in the latter part of my life, and as I look back, I can see that a significant part of what I am all stems from my excellent choice in being born to my parents and not in some other circumstances.

  •  Even The American Conservative... (2+ / 0-)
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    wouldn't publish this stuff.

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    by Katakana on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 05:19:32 PM PDT

  •  This is a good example (0+ / 0-)

    of what is passed off as "common sense" on the right. Also typified by Ryan's dog whistle rhetoric last week. Expect more of the same some time real soon from one conservative or another. It's like iron filings to a powerful magnet; they just can't help but being attracted to saying some racist, sexist, or bigoted remark.

  •  Lies, damn lies (0+ / 0-)

    and right-wing statistics.

  •  White kids get drugged to submission earlier nt (0+ / 0-)

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:48:43 AM PDT

  •  It's a pattern. (0+ / 0-)

    More black men than whites end up on death row...  
    More black men than whites end up in prison populations...
    More black boys than whites are suspended from school...
    ...for the same offenses.

  •  I Got News For The National Review (0+ / 0-)

    ALL children have weak impulse control.  Developing it is part of growing up.

  •  Speaking as a white person (0+ / 0-)

    I have to say that the National Review is about as idiotic as it gets.  Compared to other political rags, they have probably the lowest impulse control of any reporters of bigoted des ordures and I'm sure this isn't the skata sta moutra sou Mr Buckley had in mind when he founded this institution.

  •  Welcome to the insane world of the right wing... (0+ / 0-)

    Blacks children lack the impulse control of white children, poor people are just lazy, rich people are "job creators" who work harder than everyone else, the Civil War wasn't about slavery, poor people in the U.S. aren't really poor because they own cheap consumer electronics, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum.

    The truly sad thing is the millions of ignorant Americans who read and believe this claptrap.

  •  This woman obviously doesn't have (0+ / 0-)

    children or has never been around any.  No four-year-old has "impulse control."  Maybe she'd get it If I used a metaphor -- no white male Republican talking about rape, abortion or contraception can help but sound like he hates women because, when it comes to his speech, he has no impulse control, just like a four-year-old.  There, that should do it.

  •  And yet I (0+ / 0-)

    assume that every bat-shit story originates from Florida, the state and because of this shite, I am ashamed to admit that I was born there. Sad to say that racism is not limited to fantasy world.

    "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov

    by provocateur52 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 03:35:21 PM PDT

  •  I have a hypothesis, as to the reason for this... (0+ / 0-)

    beyond information bias and racism, there could be an economic reason for these findings. I grew up in a small town called Sandstone MN, in a county (Pine County) with one of the highest poverty rates in our state. I saw very similar behavior in underprivileged white kids. I have no real information to back up my hypothesis, and no real way to study it. Yet, I do not think this is necessary, if there is even a chance that this is correct, it is one more reason that we need to help lift our fellow citizens out of poverty.

    Poverty by itself in unacceptable in the wealthiest nation in the world, minorities have a disproportionate rate of poverty in our country. This is not something we should stand for. I think it is time to change our policies as a nation, stand up, do our civic duty, and lift up our fellow human beings, not hold them down. If African American children are "unruly" there is a reason for it, and I guarantee the fact that they are African American has nothing to do with it.

  •  Rampant Racism (1+ / 0-)
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    My daughter attended 2nd grade in a K through 3rd grade school in a small, upper-middle class university community.  When I watched the kids playing outside during recess, I observed the same phenomenon.  The few black kids in this predominantely white and Asian school were consistently singled out for reprimands and punishments.  I was the only observor that saw that something was wrong.  It's called racism.  Asian kids integrated more smoothly into the dominant white culture than black kids.  The more the black kids were singled out, the more their behavior deteriorated.  Funny thing, that.  I was relieved to transfer my daughter to a small, "progressive" charter school the following year.

    •  Isn't it funny... (0+ / 0-)

      how sophistry and rhetoric is used to distract us. "His/her skin is darker", "they were ratty clothing", "his/her brother/sister was a bad seed, so they must be"; no one ever says these things, but there are sure a lot of people that think them. Persecution turns to feelings of isolation, those feelings turn into feelings insecurity, insecurity turns into a need to defend one's self, and so on, and so forth.

      When you add poverty and  the immanent, if not immediate hunger to the midst, how do these kids stand a chance? They have no security at home, and they have little or no security at school. I can really appreciate your perspective Tigerlilly, I saw the same thing happen to Native children in the Hinckley MN school district (about 11 miles south of my school in Sandstone MN). I am very thankful that the administration of the school I went to, when I went there, chose to do something different, and that all of my teachers were on board. I would be a lesser person if I had not made the connections I did with the people I knew; if things were different.

  •  National Review (0+ / 0-)

    Can't the National Review and the author of this clearly racist article be sued for I think it is for slandering young African Americans in this hate article? I had a job where I dealt with all ages and all races I saw no difference  in impulse control by any race when the children was preschoolers, kindergarten and etc.They all had trouble with it at the same ages, all could control it that impulse better the older they got I wanted to slap the crap out this hateful woman while reading this hate article. People like her and publicans like the National Review are reasons that that people still judge others by the color of their skin not on what the individual person does and says.  Hate stresses the body and is bad for your health physically and mentally.  

    •  Alas, no. . . (0+ / 0-)

      . . . unless a student was mentioned by name.

      Now if we want to get them for not taking into consideration that the school administration and teachers are prejudiced - that's doable. Unfortunately reminding people that they are misrepresenting the data is not a very enjoyable, or rewarding, past time because they already know that they are right.

  •  We have enterd the decline (0+ / 0-)

    The US has had it's rise and now we are in the fall of our empire. Some research has stated by the year 2050 the world will not be able to feed it's population. It's time we learned to live together as human beings and start looking at the problems which we will all face and fine the answers. The color of one's skin will not and does not matter when it comes to saving the human race.

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