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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

    by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 08:55:17 PM PDT

  •  Oh dear, my ass still hurts from (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Man Oh Man, MTmofo, ek hornbeck, dsb

    the Shrine in Lewiston.

    SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

    by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:03:04 PM PDT

    •  Initiation ceremony as in 'Animal House'? (4+ / 0-)
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      Man Oh Man, ek hornbeck, commonmass, dsb

      "Please sir, may I have another?"

      Oh, those crazy Masons.

      "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
      This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

      by MTmofo on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:08:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  You'll want to catch Colbert. (4+ / 0-)
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      MTmofo, Man Oh Man, commonmass, dsb
      •  I'll stay up for it I guess, or TiVo it. (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        MTmofo, Man Oh Man, dsb, ek hornbeck

        We had a "case" to vote on yesterday. We had to decide what, exactly " violate the chastity of" meant. We decided it did not mean what we take it to mean when a couple is already separated. It dominated the day, and we decided in this case it was not rape.

        SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

        by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:32:29 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Ugh. Flame war bait. (3+ / 0-)
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          commonmass, Man Oh Man, dsb

          Masons deciding what is and isn't rape?  Do a diary.

          Just. stop. now.

          "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
          This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

          by MTmofo on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:37:09 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I'll tell you so you know, and I don't think (2+ / 0-)
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            Man Oh Man, dsb

            I'm violating any of my obligations here. If I am, I will ask ekhornbeck, my Masonic Brother, to hide it and if he likes, he can get me in trouble.
            We had to vote on an issue of expelling a Brother who took up with another Brother's wife while they were legallay separated but still married. Every officer of the Lodge came to speak, down to the most junior officer. I can't say much more about it but I felt that it was none of my business but it was MADE my business and I felt that he did nothing un-Masonic. His lodge, the person accused, was 100 percent in his favor, and spoke for him in his favor, all the officers down to the stewards.

            This man, who could have been my own father, and an officer of his lodge for 30 years and and a Past Master., could have been expelled. He wasn't. Two votes, it took, and everyone now knows.

            I hope I don't ever do anything as bad.

            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:48:16 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  I would never "bait" in this diary series. (2+ / 0-)
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            Man Oh Man, dsb

            Our vote had to do with an 18th century term, "violate" and the understanding that people in the 21st century cohabitate before they are divorced.

            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:52:15 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  And yet... (3+ / 0-)
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              commonmass, MTmofo, dsb

              I'll rise to the bait.
              If you "...felt that it was none of my business but it was MADE my business", then why must you make it any business of ours?  

              All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

              by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:58:34 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  I have read both of the above. (3+ / 0-)
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              Man Oh Man, commonmass, dsb

              I know you can be dogged and vociferous in presenting your case.

              We have crowd/group sourced preferences of comportment for the IVH.  Someone unaware of them, because they ignored them, can decide to engage.  That is problematic.

              Please, take this story elsewhere.

              I ask, backed by the completely powerless authority I have, as the Blog Admin. and a friend.

              Please.

              "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)
              This message will self-destruct upon arrival in the NSA archives in Utah.

              by MTmofo on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:04:19 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I will. Stay out of Anglican Kossacsks (0+ / 0-)

                for the same reason.

                Thanks. I just got expelled, but never voted for anyone else to be. For any reason.

                SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:07:32 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  You seem hellbent... (2+ / 0-)
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                  commonmass, dsb

                  on slinging some shit around here.
                  Nobody gets expelled.
                  And don't ever tell any Kossack where they
                  may or may not be welcome on this site.
                  Ever.

                  All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                  by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:12:48 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I admin my group, too. (1+ / 0-)
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                    dsb

                    I find it deeply interesting that no one has asked me why I am feeling so deeply conflicted about a vote I had to make and why I would bring it up.

                    I know this is a non-serious diary, but I had to do something really difficult.

                    So I'm talking about it. I'm learning whom are my friends and whom are not.

                    SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                    by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:18:31 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  You wonder why... (3+ / 0-)
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                      commonmass, dsb, sallym

                      we don't care about things that are none of our business?
                      And your perception of apathy is some kind of measure of friends?
                      Please.

                      All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                      by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:26:15 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  I was so embarrassed. (0+ / 0-)

                        Totally, and completely embarrassed, that a brother would bring this to this level and the I would have to hear all of this. It was an abuse of Grand Lodge.

                        SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                        by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:28:18 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  I find it deeply interesting... (2+ / 0-)
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                          commonmass, dsb

                          that as a musician (and a composer)
                          you appear to be tone deaf
                          to what we are saying.
                          Please take it somewhere else
                          and come back to join in
                          the frivolity and silliness
                          in which this diary is offered.

                          All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                          by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:34:48 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  And I get it, and find it interesting that (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            dsb

                            you are disinterested in what's going on with me.

                            One does learn who their friends are.

                            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:47:00 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I like silliness, but I have 8 dollars to my name. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            dsb

                            Why, in general, would I get "serious" here? One, because it got serious and I find it difficult to make decisions about other people's life, as if on a jury and THAT is what I had to do.

                            Second, because I wanted to share with my friends here that I was somewhat conflicted. Yeah, it's supposed to be funny.

                            But it haunts me. Community feedback seems to be, "we don't care about you unless you're funny".

                            Sorry, I thought you were my friends.

                            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:51:29 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Every once in a while... (2+ / 0-)
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                            commonmass, dsb

                            in taverns I've been to, the band is playing their "soft set" and some guy keeps yelling "FREEBIRDDAMNIT".
                            When, finally he is asked to "Go on home, man. You're just too much for right now. Come on back tomorrow. We still love ya, but...".
                            We are still your friends here.

                            All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                            by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:03:05 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Thanks, but I still am conflicted (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Man Oh Man, dsb

                            about that. I shouldn't have brought it here, but that was the most difficult thing I have ever had to be a part of.

                            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:06:15 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Have you... (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            commonmass, dsb

                            addressed the subject with the other Brothers here?
                            I have no point of reference with which I can understand the hierarchy of the organization and your problems with their decisions. They run the show and you don't like their ways of conducting business.

                            I shouldn't have brought it here, but that was the most difficult thing I have ever had to be a part of.
                            And I think, knowing you like I do, you may have faced other things in life which were more difficult than this.

                            All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                            by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:21:06 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  No, but I have never had to face that. (0+ / 0-)

                            We had serious business to attend to and it became all about that. It made me feel dirty. And angry, because it was, I suppose, a legitimate issue, but one that should have stopped at Blue Lodge (it did) and the issue was pressed to two votes in front of dignitaries (who, of course, did not have a vote) from two Canadian provinces and several other Grand Lodges around New England and environs.

                            I really wish we would have spent more time on philanthopy and other reasons why we were there.

                            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:45:59 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I'm sorry I brought it here. It just haunts me.n/t (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            TheMomCat

                            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:48:19 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  A friend is a mechanic... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            commonmass

                            Up on his wall is a little poster about going fast.
                            It is the racers definition of weight.
                            "If it does not make you go faster, stop quicker, or turn sharper, it is extra weight."
                            Perhaps you should divest yourself of this...
                            at least for now.
                            The extra weight will slow you down.
                            Just a thought.

                            All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                            by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:55:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  My heart is in my Blue Lodge. (2+ / 0-)
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                            dsb, TheMomCat

                            Please forgive me for bringing it up.

                            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:57:26 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Oh, go on now... (2+ / 0-)
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                            commonmass, dsb

                            There is nothing to forgive.
                            And there is always tomorrow.
                            Let it go.

                            All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                            by Man Oh Man on Thu May 08, 2014 at 12:00:57 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Thanks for understanding and also for (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Man Oh Man, TheMomCat

                            giving me some sense. I'm going to see all sorts of things I don't like. In five years, you may call me "Worshipful Master". ;)

                            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                            by commonmass on Thu May 08, 2014 at 12:05:16 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Old saw... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            dsb

                            Change what you can.
                            Accept what you can't.
                            Know the difference.

                            All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                            by Man Oh Man on Thu May 08, 2014 at 12:10:09 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Sounds better... (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            dsb

                            if you read that in the voice of Festus.
                            "Shucks and fiddledeedee...
                            G'wan now 'n let it just go, don't ya see?"

                            All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

                            by Man Oh Man on Thu May 08, 2014 at 12:06:18 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Of course, we discussed it, I should say. (1+ / 0-)
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                            dsb

                            The man in question, at the end of the day was not expelled.

                            30 years a Mason and for most of them an officer.

                            I understand my obligations, but I see this as an abuse on both sides of it and it should not have dominated the Annual Communication of the G. L.

                            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

                            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:54:28 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  This whole discussion thread is just plain weird, (0+ / 0-)

                            to me. (Not the comment I'm replying to, in particular. But the whole thread.)

                            Masons? Do they still exist (beside the canning-jars)? Pretending that they are important, outside of Italy?

                            Some group of people digging into and judging the intimate private life of someone else, with fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms? How Congregation-for-the-Doctrine-of-the-Faith-y.

                            Posting back-and-forth about it on a public blog which aims to elect better and more Democrats?

                            I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! :-)

                            Fetch... the soft cushions and comfy chair!

          •  May I clarify? (2+ / 0-)
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            We thought it was bullshit, and said so. On Two votes.

            It was all we talked about all day, it seemed.

            It was consentual. The reason it came up in front of us was just nasty and vindictive. It was all around embarrassing.

            Masons are NOT about putting women in a bad place.

            SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

            by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:00:05 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  That this came to a vote of a Grand Lodge (2+ / 0-)
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        Man Oh Man, dsb

        situation was extremely distasteful for most of us.

        SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

        by commonmass on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:33:40 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Wow (1+ / 0-)
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          TheMomCat

          Certainly didn't mean to open a can of worms here, more meant to point out a funny bit on Colbert that happened to mention Masonry.

          While I have little idea of the norms of IVH I can perhaps shed some light on the Masonic angle, which I would argue is funny and frivolous in a way Craig Furguson would totally understand (British Masons being rather more pompous and self important than your usually pretty laid back American types).

          This is not some kind of Sharia law thing.  Generally speaking there is only one rule in Masonry and that is not to expose (scary voice) The Secret Hidden Mysteries.

          Now back in the day that meant pretty much all of the ritual which was supposed to be passed along only verbally.  After the anti-Masonic movement of the early 1800s things started to loosen up because so much of it was exposed by former Masons.  Today's interpretation turns on the words, "in such a way as to enable them (non-Masons) to to work and act as such (Masons)".  In practical terms this mostly means the grips and words and actually smuggling a non-Mason into Lodge by vouching for them.  Everything else is fairly open, look around on the Tubz and see all the Grand Lodges that publish the full ritual (in English, not Ecce Orientis) as a training aid for Brothers studying it.

          And why have secrets at all you ask?  Here we get a little closer to the nub of the dilemma.  A Brother is supposed to be trustworthy and of good moral character.  If you can't be trusted with something as stupid and silly as a handshake and some gibberish well... uhh...

          What exactly can you be trusted with then?

          From your description cm it seems much of the debate revolved around whether the adulterous 'Brother' was of good moral character.  This seems to me totally misguided.  As you correctly pointed out, what is good moral character anyway?

          No, for me the primary issue would have been trustworthiness and just exactly how trustworthy is someone who would seduce his Bother's wife?

          Ick.

          So I would have voted to expel.  No shame on you if you didn't, just that's what I would have done and why.

          Is this a fit subject for Grand Lodge?  No.  What the Grand Master should have done is appoint a committee to study the matter and then had the report approved in a quick vote under an utterly deceptive title-

          Motion to approve the report of the select committee on ethical behavior all those in favor signify by saying aye.  Any opposed?  Motion carried.

          Yup, did this for years.  Told you I was a politician.

          And for any of you who still have questions about whether all of this inside Baseball organizational politics stuff is wacky and funny enough to pass muster as IVH...

          I guess you had to be there.

          Next time- The Story of How I Fired My Embezzling Local President.

  •  Why (3+ / 0-)
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    Man Oh Man, MTmofo, sallym

    Does the Grand Pooba always run the show?

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:12:21 PM PDT

  •  G'night all... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dsb

    SYLM

    All sane people detest noise. Mark Twain

    by Man Oh Man on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:33:03 PM PDT

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