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This appears to be the line in the sand many that many of the extreme right are hoping to draw both sides of the pond.


 Fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign


The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:

The crux of the matter comes to deciding whether to fear and or hate someone before you have actually interacted with them.

It's the same as how did you decide that Obama wasn't American? What clues did you use to determine possible point of origin?

I suppose you could talk to them before they scare the bejebus. out of you with their accent. Those dastardly foreigners dress just like us.

So to be on the safe side what is one to do, how does one determine whether someone is like us or not just by looking at them. Hmmmm. Look that is not fair we just hate Johnny foreigner for taking our jobs/women/men/money/air, there is nothing racist about it.

Xenophobia and racism start from the same place, fear.

Look if all immigrants were just like us there wouldn't be a problem, and by just like us you mean what exactly; unhinged morons clasping a gun in abject terror or President Obama? A violent drunk in a pub or a highly trained cellist from China? Please define, just like us.

Look there are just too many foreigner over here taking our jobs, which ones, cleaning the toilet bowl or playing the cello?

My partner who is french has been told to go home, yet I, not being  French,  have never been told do do so. I wonder what the difference could be? Gender? The same so that one is out. Education? About equivalent, so that one is cleared. Religion? She is a catholic and I'm a Buddhist, so I lose one brownie point for that one. Oh, What can it be? Wait! Ah, the color of the skin, yes, that one is noticeable.

You know it is a fine line to draw to pardon someone of racism by being merely xenophobic, the problem comes when the reality of both is observed.

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    by greenbird on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:08:48 AM PDT

  •  # 86 (0+ / 0-)

    is that code ?
    used to be.

    TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes? -- Addington's Perpwalk.

    by greenbird on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:10:27 AM PDT

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    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

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  •  if we let more xenon bulbs over the border we'll (3+ / 0-)
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    have to start using candles

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

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    The article is based on an interview the UKIP leader Nigel Farrage had on LBC radio. It was an example of a devestating attack on a politician by using their own words to challenge them. At the end, the interview was cut short. Hope this embed from the LBC site works:

    If not, it should be available from their page at

    "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:27:29 AM PDT

  •  It's only water.... (2+ / 0-)
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    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:28:53 AM PDT

  •  Otoh, some forms of xenaphobia are quite (0+ / 0-)

    At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

    by serendipityisabitch on Sat May 17, 2014 at 10:36:26 AM PDT

  •  xenophobia follows organically from racism (0+ / 0-)

    If you believe that people who are different from you on the outside are necessarily different from you on the inside, then it follows that you believe that they can never truly be like you.  Subsequently you believe that the more of them there are in your country, the less it is your country and the more it is theirs.

    This is doubly true if you believe that most of your own people are dyed-in-the-wool liberals who will reflexively defend the Other over the Self and claim his "inalienable human right" to both come here because he wants to and then demand that the host society change to suit him.

    Even if a right winger is not a strict racist and believes that people from other countries are different on the inside because of socialization rather than any genetic difference, the result is the same if your country's allegedly liberal establishment categorically rejects assimilation and instead is positively eager for the social changes that will be wrought by the immigrants.

    America is different from any country in Europe because our national identity is not rooted in race, religion, or culture - but rather is rooted in higher values: egalitarianism, self-determination, etc.  However, the racist right believes that America's core values are distinctively Anglo-Saxon in origin and that while people of other European ancestries have successfully assimilated to them, black and brown people will never do so.  

    Especially since liberals allegedly don't want immigrants - or black people who've been here almost as long as whites - to assimilate.  Instead, we want America to become more like the places the immigrants left out of the belief that those societies are more egalitarian, more communitarian, and above all more humane in countless small and vague ways than allegedly white supremacist, Christofascist, and self-serving "rugged individualist" America.

    The racist right thinks that white liberals are a bunch of race-reversed Uncle Ruckuses who hate white people and all white people's works and who believe they can only be redeemed by loving and serving black and brown people.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Sat May 17, 2014 at 12:25:25 PM PDT

  •  As the saying goes... (1+ / 0-)
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    ..."a distinction without a difference."

    It's all prejudice, or if one cares to be harsher about it, bigotry (neither of which stop at either race or nationality).

    So as I say, what's the diff?

    And as you say, "they start from the same place," and "the problem comes when the reality of both is observed,"

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