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I know that I have come into contact with this multiple times, and looking at history, the whole ideology has too: Being the bigger person politically.  Democrats have been bipartisan with Republicans when the GOP is in power, but when the reverse is true, nothing happens.  I have had a similar personal experience, and now it is up to the youth of this country to decide what is to come next for our belief set.  We can either continue with the path that we already have taken: being the better person no matter the circumstances.  Or.  We could decide to take a more proactive step, which will not go over well with everyone else, but I don't know about everyone else, but I am very tired of compromising for the opinions of others and not having my own respected.  


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  •  Tip Jar (3+ / 0-)
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    P Carey, swampyankee, LeftHandedMan

    Funny Stuff at

    by theloneliberal on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:47:59 PM PDT

  •  I say endgame. (1+ / 0-)
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    Shut them out of the process with extreme prejudice.

    Annihilate them at the ballot box and render them impotent in the legislature.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:23:05 PM PDT

  •  It's OK to be the calm voice of reason (0+ / 0-)

    In fact, it's preferable (most times) to be a reasonable person.

    But sometimes, you have to punch unreasonable people in the nose to get their attention, or at least hit 'em upside the head with a clue by four.

  •  Being "above the fray" doesn't work. (2+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, Zadatz

    Kerry tried that with the whole Swiftboat Veterans for Truth thing, look where that got him.

    I say when the GOP fights dirty, we retaliate in kind.

    •  It's got to be more than "retaliate in kind" (1+ / 0-)
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      We already know they're going to fight bare-knuckled.

      Knowing this, Dems have to be outfitted with brass knuckles and be willing to take the first swing - be the aggressor rather than responding to repeated instances of aggression against us.

      History has shown, time and time again, that proles respect the projection of power rather than reconciliation of grievances.

  •  Three of the weirdest things about being a (D) (0+ / 0-)

    1. The fact that a (D) can earn a great living being a Democratic saboteur,
    2. Democrats who blame the voters for their bad results/outcomes, and
    3. Democrats who embrace feeling noble in the ashes as a honorable option.

    You autopsy these three bizarre things occurring in an organization that needs to be fundamentally responsive to their voters wishes and proactive in meeting their opponents attacks and you find that all of them are basically the barren fruitless branches that jut out from the same self-poisoned tree.

    I have never come across another institution that is as willing to essentially handicap itself, and handicap itself because it's bad faith enemies and useful idiot critics demand/command that it do so to "prove that it is serious". Listen to Lanny Davis when he makes the rounds. Or Fox News "Democrat" Kristen Powers. Or the leadership of Third Way or the DLC. The GOP couldn't have found better agents of chaos and sabotage than the "Very Serious Centrists" who gave us the 1990's era Democratic playbook. The GOP and the Village cannot do what they do without being enabled. They literally need Democrats to respect their bad faith and their one-sided rules as if they are put forth in good faith. The "Very Serious Centrists" were a godsend to the Right and the wankers. Yes! We agree to be the patsy! The chump! Of course, you are right, civility, civility, civility. For me, not for thee, of course. You can keep on saying whatever vile shit you want. Thank the heavens that we seem to be collectively moving away from empowering our biggest albatrosses and listening to our biggest wanker voices post-Bush era. They still exist, there are dimwitted dead-enders all over the Democratic Party spectrum, but things are better now that at any time in my adult lifetime.

    That said, there is still too much blaming the voters for the bad outcomes that Democratic Party efforts and election strategies bring about. You have a window to make an argument, and seal a deal for the next cycle, if you don't seal the deal before the window for that cycle closes, you are kind of fucked. The odd Democratic Party solution, on par with Democrats agreeing to tie one hand behind their backs and play a rigged game according to the rules of the GOP and their useful idiot tools in the Village, is to... try to scare the shit out of Democratic voters at the last minute when they have utterly failed to accomplish making an argument while they have a chance to. Then bitch and whine about the voters when that doesn't work. As if somebody else, not the Democratic Party, came up with the coalition that votes in Presidential cycles but not in off-year ones. If Democrats are pissed off about this cycle, change and adapt to appeal to its cycles rather that keep repeating the same idiot epic fail of missing the window to make an argument, and then trying to scare voters who are already inclined to tune you out because you didn't seal the deal with them before the window closed, and then bitch and complain about the coalition you cobbled together because it specifically was a good coalition for winning the White House in those Presidential cycles.  

    The cult of civility and bipartisanship at all costs meta.

    I first came across the "noble loser in the ashes" phenomena back in 1988. It was better to feel better about not being "like" the Right, even if the comparison was total bullshit, than all other considerations. Including winning. It was better to lose than to win the "wrong" way. As in "we lost, but we lost the right way." Um, what?  "We didn't stoop to their level." Um. Wait. Since when is aggressively defending yourself from total fucking bullshit "stooping to their level"? I marveled at how much the post-2004 rhetoric matched the post-1988 rhetoric from the noble losers school of thoughters. Sure, John Kerry got Swiftboated, but what was the alternative? Stooping to their level? Um. No. The alternative was to fight back as aggressively as possible against the lies and bad faith of the odious smear campaign, up to and including attacking the Village when they carried that bogus bullshit like waterboys for the GOP varsity squad. It was not a choice between trying to rise above the shit, and being equally engaged in flinging shit and acting in bad faith.

    In all my years as a Democrat, the aggressive Democrats have wanted an argument and a fight and not ratfucking. Sure, there are outliers and those who succumb to moments of venting. But the vast majority of Democrats who want a more aggressive Democratic Party mean that they want a Democratic Party who makes an argument, a partisan ideological argument against Movement Conservatism and in favor of itself as an better alternative. The vast majority of Democrats who want a new status quo are not saying you have to make shit up, or run Rove/Atwater smear campaigns in tandem with the GOP, but that you do have to push back against lies and smears and aggressively defend yourself against being defined by your opponents because you let them.

    Being the bigger person, in my estimation, doesn't equal being a chump who accepts getting his ass kicked because... well... what can you do?

    "Real journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations." -George Orwell

    by LeftHandedMan on Mon May 19, 2014 at 04:03:20 PM PDT

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