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♥Cecily McMillan♥ Defense/Occupy Wall Street

On Monday May 19th Cecily McMillan was sentenced to 90 days in prison, with 5 years of probation and a $5,000 fine. She will serve the remainder of her sentence on Rikers Island.

Thank You Everyone for signing the leniency petitions and letter to judge zweibel, in Cecily's behalf. There was a total of over 170,000 petition-signees on the Change.org petition.

At Rikers Island Awaiting Sentencing, Cecily McMillan Says, "I've Never Felt So Loved Before" Village Voice Anna Merlan May 16 2014

Outside; amid a crowd of supporters, chanting, singing and holding signs, Cecily's Attorney Martin Stolar said that Cecily is "relieved it wasn't two years."

He expects her to serve around 60 days with the time she's already done and good behavior. That said, he added, "She's not happy to be going back to Rikers Island." He said, McMillan will appeal her conviction.

McMillan's support team issued a statement, saying, in part, "We all know Cecily did not receive a fair trial, and this case will be fought in the Court of Appeals."

They add, "The DA and the courts want to make an example of Cecily; to deter us, to scare us, to keep us out of the streets. And we won't let that happen. This ruling will not deter us, it will strengthen our resolve."  Village Voice Anna Merlan May 19 2014

They Can’t Outlaw the Revolution truthdig.com Chris Hedges May 18, 2014

It's time we rational thinking people, took this Country back from the loonies!

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May 15, 2014 Cecily McMillan's Attorney Martin Stolar

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Hermana, La'Activista✰

Mar 23, 2012
democracynow.org - Occupy Wall Street activist Cecily McMillan suffered a seizure when New York City police officers pulled her from the crowd and arrested her as hundreds attempted to re-occupy Zuccotti Park on Saturday, to mark sixth months since the launch of the movement.

In her first television interview since her arrest, McMillan says she has decided to speak out because of an outpouring of public support. "I have received so many emails, Twitter messages and phone calls. People are just horrified about what happened to me."

McMillan has a black eye and her body is covered in bruises, at least one in the shape of a handprint. She says she was not allowed to contact an attorney while she was taken to the hospital and transferred to a jail cell along with some of the 72 other detained protesters.

Psychological Manipulation/The Attempt To "Dumb Down" America

♥☮Peace, Love And Justice♥☮
ga

Originally posted to rebel ga on Tue May 20, 2014 at 04:30 PM PDT.

Also republished by New Jersey Kossacks, Shamrock American Kossacks, Retail and Workplace Pragmatists - Members and Editors, Subversive Agitation Team Action Network, Street Prophets , Protest Music, and DKOMA.

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  •  This is just disgusting (13+ / 0-)

    Injustice prevails in "Merika.

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Tue May 20, 2014 at 04:31:58 PM PDT

  •  Lol...Holder can't pardon her, #1... (1+ / 0-)
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    because there was no federal crime
    2, because the USAG cant pardon people
    3, because there is a process to get a pardon and it isnt through a petition.

    The best thing about this case is now that Ms. McMillan is in jail she is learning how incredibly privileged she is to be an upper middle class liberal white girl. Shes written eloquently about that.

    And thats a lesson I hope she can teach her supporters. Although I doubt they care.

    •  What a mean-spirited, ugly comment. (9+ / 0-)

      Beneath you, sport.

      I am one of the 8% who refuses to validate HRC's cynical decision to consign thousands of innocent Iraqis to death in order to score political points at home. Per kos, then, I am a "hater." So be it.

      by WisePiper on Tue May 20, 2014 at 05:19:44 PM PDT

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      •  I was much harsher on Manning, (1+ / 0-)
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        who I believe was the last liberal martyr celebrity cause. But if McMillan comes out of her experience and advocates for...ahem...much less celebreted folks in America's prisons, then I'll personally and publicly write to the governor for a pardon after she completes her probation.

        Rikers is providing that real world education, so lets see what she does with it. But more importantly, lets see if her supporters want to hear that part of the conversation. We shall see.

        •  The woman was out on the streets, (8+ / 0-)

          walking the walk, protesting and bringing attention to the fact that the nation's powerful elites are looting the economy, and she was sexually assaulted for her activism. But, unless she hereafter adopts the cause you decide she must, she is apparently worthy only of your dismissal and derision.

          I am one of the 8% who refuses to validate HRC's cynical decision to consign thousands of innocent Iraqis to death in order to score political points at home. Per kos, then, I am a "hater." So be it.

          by WisePiper on Tue May 20, 2014 at 05:46:51 PM PDT

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          •  Funny...because the jury heard her own (1+ / 0-)
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            testimony where she said she was not out protesting but was meeting friends to go bar hopping on St. Patricks Day. None of them believed her ridiculous sexual assault story that was absolutely dismantled on cross examination, and was included only as a last minute trial ploy because the officer is black and she is white. Would have helped her if she had brought it up to someone...like her doctors...when the incident actually occured and not after plea negotiations collapsed.

            But worry not...im sure after she disappears from the headlines, some other liberal-approved person will find their way to the temporary national progressive sympathy box. I say that dripping with contempt, of course.

            •  From The Nation article of May 9 by (7+ / 0-)

              Kathryn Funkhouser:

              In her closing argument, Choi [the prosecutor] scoffed contemptuously that McMillan’s story would be more believable if she claimed that “aliens came down that night and assaulted her.” Let us consider: according to the prosecution, it’s more believable that an activist whose reputation is founded on nonviolence would change her plan to go out with friends on a holiday to pick a fight with a possibly fictional police officer, then exhort bystanders to please film her elbowing another officer in the face, for attention. After her arrest, she goes on to elaborately fake a harrowing seizure, and at some point after her admission to the hospital self-mutilates in order to severely bruise her own breast for the purpose of framing Bovell. This is more believable?
              Choi would have loved to have you in the jury.

              I am one of the 8% who refuses to validate HRC's cynical decision to consign thousands of innocent Iraqis to death in order to score political points at home. Per kos, then, I am a "hater." So be it.

              by WisePiper on Tue May 20, 2014 at 06:42:52 PM PDT

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              •  ♥Thank You Very Much♥ So true, WisePiper♥ (6+ / 0-)

                NYC prosecutor choi acted like we're all a bunch of fools. Like no one knows about all the violence that had been perpetrated against other OWS Protesters.

                I can't imagine how they ever found a New York City jury who would buy this kind treatment, being patronized and talked down to, and who would not care about the police violence against others.

                That McMillan’s story would be more believable if she claimed that “aliens came down that night and assaulted her.”???
                But after BBB's remarks, I see that empathy is not as wide spread as one would think.

                Even here, in our liberal community.

                I'm surprised. BBB is always helping people. I don't know what his attitude is all about.

                But it is enlightening in understanding, how they managed to convict an innocent like Cecily.

                Feb 12, 2014
                We Are Change CT Exclusive interview where Cecily McMillan's Attorney Martin R Stolar discusses the details of her case on the eve of her trial.
                 

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                by rebel ga on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:14:24 PM PDT

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                •  I don't get it either. Maybe a mutated strain of (2+ / 0-)
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                  the still-mad-about-60s-protests-"losing-Viet Nam"-and-destroying-our-crew-cut-and-highball-way-of-life-you-damn-hippies! backlash?

                  Which, of course, makes no sense for a 41-ish man from Brooklyn with Trinidad heritage!

                  Unless you consider his bio: USMC straight out of high school + working on Wall St (as of 2010).  So perhaps Occupy rattled the paradigm a bit too much?  Disordered the order too close to work home?

                  Oh, and Cecily is white.  He seems to have an issue with that...

                  The Third Way ain't My Way!

                  by JVolvo on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:16:56 AM PDT

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                  •  I'll change this ^^^ (1+ / 0-)
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                    I see below that bbb is in law and defends the oppressed in court.

                    So his anger here is at we situational, privileged, offended lefties dabbling in police injustice over our white cause celeb, knowing we'll drop it and move on after the tv lights are gone.

                    Still meh, but a different meh

                    The Third Way ain't My Way!

                    by JVolvo on Wed May 21, 2014 at 01:11:10 PM PDT

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            •  Read the Nation article (6+ / 0-)

              that wisepiper linked.

              It pretty much destroys your version of events.

              "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

              by ZhenRen on Tue May 20, 2014 at 07:16:15 PM PDT

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              •  More from the Nation (8+ / 0-)

                http://www.thenation.com/...

                Throughout the case, the prosecutor set out to distract the jury from the question at hand by discussing undocumented events, treating witnesses’ opinions as fact and casting aspersions on McMillan’s character. Judge Zweibel gave them free rein to do so, while consistently ruling key testimony and evidence for the defense inadmissible. This pattern was most clearly demonstrated in the court’s treatment of evidentiary video footage. Several videos posted to YouTube show the crowd at Zuccotti Park from different angles on the night in question. However, the jury saw only a sliver of blurry footage. According to the defense, out of a ten-minute video of the events before and after McMillan’s elbow struck Bovell’s face, only fifty-two seconds was admitted. Zweibel’s justification? At the beginning of this fifty-two-second section is the first frame in which Bovell says he can definitively identify himself.

                It’s particularly convenient for Bovell that none of the contextual footage was shown. Another piece of his testimony was directly contradicted by the melee shown at the beginning of the video, in which another officer shoves a protester and announces through a bullhorn, “Leave the park or you will be arrested.” Bovell testified that there was an announcement that the park was being temporarily cleared for routine cleaning, at which point the belligerent protesters suddenly began to cause trouble for the polite police force. The violence with which the police are shown to interact with unresistant protesters in the full video is key to understanding the events of that night. But the judge ruled this footage inadmissible because Bovell’s memory, which proved extremely selective under cross-examination, conveniently didn’t coincide with it. One of the jurors anonymously told The Guardian that it was this fifty-two-second clip, taken out of context, that led the jury to its guilty verdict.

                Another short clip was only allowed without sound—this one shows McMillan convulsing on the ground after her arrest. In that audio, jurors would have heard voices in the crowd shout at the police officers to help McMillan, which provides important context to the officers’ motionless observation of her body. If McMillan were faking distress, as the prosecution alleged, it certainly fooled many of those present. Had audio been admitted, the prosecution would have been free to argue that the crowd’s assessment was incorrect, but when the audio of the footage was ruled to be prejudicial, the ruling seemed calculated to bolster the prosecution’s narrative. The police officer’s casual reactions were there for the jury to note, but not the reactions of the civilians. Zweibel, through his selective admittance of clips, looked increasingly like an editor of those YouTube parodies of movie trailers in which The Shining is edited to look like a family comedy, or Mary Poppins is recut as a horror film. The prosecution became the director dictating a vision for the story, and Zweibel acted as the editor, selecting footage to tell the tale.

                "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

                by ZhenRen on Tue May 20, 2014 at 07:36:03 PM PDT

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                •  ♥Thank You, ZhenRen♥ (3+ / 0-)
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                  Love your analogy of the video clip editing. It was, totally orchestrated to favor the prosecution.

                  An appeal is definitely going to happen.

                  bovell’s a liar! They've got him patrolling the Bronx now. God help the Bronx.

                  Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

                  by rebel ga on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:37:37 PM PDT

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              •  No need. As I said at the time: (2+ / 0-)
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                My assistant has been at the trial all last week, (28+ / 0-)
                and her frank assessment is that the defendant has crap lawyers. But, she also says the judge is quite hostile to the defendant...but a lot of that has to do with her shitty lawyers.

                Yo.

                by brooklynbadboy on Sun May 04, 2014 at 02:55:19 PM EDT

                Ill trust her judgment over the Nation any day, as I noted in subsequent comments. Thats the only reason ive been so verbal about this is because I happened to see it from uninterested eyes.

                We were involved in a criminal defense that week of a somewhat similar nature. But being around the courthouse is not uncommon, were there pretty regularly and know most of staff.

                In fact, last year we were involved in an OWS case for a person who was truly innocent and all charges were dropped. Didnt see any of you, or the Nation, there for that but oh well. This was a regular protester, not a media savvy well connected one. For those of us who serve poor defendants, who im sure people like you dont give a shit about, seeing a white girl get 90 days for assaulting a cop seems like hitting a jackpot they would kill to get, not a conspiracy of oppression of the 1% against the masses of masters degree graduates from the suburbs. Especially after turning down a no jail plea.

                •  You didn't see it (3+ / 0-)
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                  as you admit. And you are buying into the prosecution's version lock, stock, and barrel.

                  But the Nation article gives a very compelling, far different version.

                  "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

                  by ZhenRen on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:37:45 PM PDT

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                  •  BBB appears to have gotten his talking points (3+ / 0-)
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                    from the New York Post editorial board.

                    I am one of the 8% who refuses to validate HRC's cynical decision to consign thousands of innocent Iraqis to death in order to score political points at home. Per kos, then, I am a "hater." So be it.

                    by WisePiper on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:44:21 PM PDT

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                    •  No, I just see the prejudice of you folks for what (2+ / 0-)
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                      it is and pull no punches in being dismissive of your elitist, pretty much borderline racist bullshit.

                      There were probably 1000 cases just last year of police assault and brutality that actually made it to a courtroom. If you are person of color, you know that this is routine. Quite common. Jaws are broken. Teeth knocked out. Organs a ruptured...not every now and then..ROUTINELY. Only rarely do such cases make the news, because usually the defendants are black or latino. And almost never is the defendant given the benefit of the doubt for this. And from the offended left, we usually get kind a sympathetic verbiage, and 'omg...thats not nice.' And it continues on, because really...whats to be done?

                      But oh my god...let some white person with lefty approved politics experience even 1% of that system, and its Battlestations!!! Send in the high end attorneys! Write letters! Alert the media! Start a petition! Social media! Blogs! 'Shes courageously standing up to the man! We must support her until the end!' And it will happen over andnover again, because thats how you people are. Ive seen this too many times. You go with folks you identify with...and im the same way, so do I. White, middle or upper middle class people with good educations and lefty approved politics. People like you...thats who you defend. I dont fault you for it, but im dismissive when you attempt to broaden it into a 'justice for (someon like me)' issue because really, youre just looking out for that person in particular and not justice broadly.

                      I can guarantee that just as soon as this is out of the news, none of you all will give a rats ass about sentencing for Asaault 2nd in New York City. Just like prior to it happening to someone like you.

                      •  So being upset about this injustice (3+ / 0-)
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                        is not okay because there are so many others?

                        As to Ms. McMillan, from the Village Voice:"She talked feverishly about her dreams of reform: for prisons, the justice system, society at large...In the meantime, she's already been invited to join an inmates council, and she's agitating for more solid reforms: pillows for the inmates, laundry soap (they wash their clothes with hand soap), and, most pressingly, a female guard on the night shift."

                        And from my FB page this am:  https://www.facebook.com/...

                        sh

                        •  You can see above, ive praised her for that. (2+ / 0-)
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                          If she uses her platform for prison reform from now on, thats awesome. I dont think her supporters will pay much attention though. Ive been active in criminal justice reform for 13 years, and I know from experience that it is not a lefty liberal approved cause. Not sexy enough, and too many poor, badly educated, people of color. That is, until one of them has to experience it. Then they get all into it.

                          •  My apologies for missing your approval (2+ / 0-)
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                            of Ms. McMillan's concerns and advocacy in jail.

                            But I disagree with your assessment about the interest and support for prison reform from the left. Oh, and I've never been incarcerated.  I'm an old White lady, I'm privileged and I know it.  

                            http://www.dailykos.com/...

                            And thank you for what you do and what you have been doing for those who are too often forgotten.

                            sh

                          •  You're right, whites don't pay enough attention (2+ / 0-)

                            to the issues of the criminal justice system. Whites really need to pay attention to this, because it is truly horrible. People tend to ignore what they aren't directly experiencing. Whites don't have as many family members and extended family members and friends (of the white community) getting fucked over by the system. So they turn a blind eye, and that isn't right.

                            I know you don't like my anarchist views, but anarchists would abolish that system, and use a far different way of handling crime, and for that matter most crime is a result of the severe degree of systemic inequality, much of which would be resolved with economic and political equality.

                            "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

                            by ZhenRen on Wed May 21, 2014 at 12:03:38 PM PDT

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                •  BBB (1+ / 0-)
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                  How do you jump to such conclusions, that people are only protesting for Cecily because she's white?

                  FYI, Cecily is multicultural. Even though she has an Irish Father, her Mother is, I read of Mexican descent.

                  True; at first I thought she was Irish and I'm 1/2 Irish, that's not the reason I want to help Cecily. Then on Mon I saw this video. It has a loud whistling so I didn't post it.
                  Apparently, you don't even know Cecily. Because her Mother has been with her throughout the trial.

                  We Are Change CT had the opportunity to meet & interview Cecily McMillan's Mother after the Post-Sentencing press conference.
                  Video is loud you might want to turn your sound down.

                  btw I too am a multicultural child. (*My Father was an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi's Grandson. What would I know about discrimination and race hatred violence, right??? Just lucky for me that my Grandparents left eastern europe in the 1880's or I wouldn't be here.)

                  I help everyone.

                  Yes of course there should be more protests and attention to the many, many victims of police brutality and other hate crimes.

                  So write a diary about it.

                  Don't come to mine to start an argument. I've been working on this for months and that diary alone took days to write. I don't go to your diaries and contradict you.

                  Please get your facts straight BBB.
                  Even Radicals can be ignorant. Don't it feel stupid to be so dumb?

                  Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

                  by rebel ga on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:23:47 AM PDT

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                •  Not charged with a felony, (0+ / 0-)

                  for a misdemeanor charge at best. Everyone deserves equal justice under the law. Even Cecily!

                  Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

                  by rebel ga on Wed May 21, 2014 at 11:39:47 PM PDT

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                •  your obvious vitriol toward OWS is so misguided. (0+ / 0-)

                  As a fellow NY-er I'm miffed by your constant jabs at OWS. The elephant in the room to me is - How much time did you actually spend among the folks who came to OWS? What was the totality of your interactions? I doubt much, if at all. I was there often. With respect to OWS, you come off reflexively noxious and pettily short-sighted.

                  I'm happy to see that it seems your support for the movement was there in the beginning, from the couple of diaries I found. But I'm presuming that after your Dem bosses decided foisting austerity on the working class would be a less bumpy road for their donation coffers than jailing bankers you stepped out (of course not until you all used the now embedded in the lexicon "1%er" to tattoo the hapless R-Money and his cronies with, so we could elect the Drone-In-Chief/protector of "savvy businessmen" to a 2nd term).

                  It confounds me that you've seen fit to become so disparaging. Particularly because OWS became arguably the only populist movement in 40 years to catch fire and bring to light the same theories that MLK and Malcom X had come to conclude, and were probably killed for, by the end of their days: that it is, in King's unforgettable words, we are in a struggle against "the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism," as well as in a radical revolution of values, and a recognition of the class struggle against the oligarchs who wield such tremendous power over the rest of us. That's why it was crushed (yes, crushed) so harshly. Because they were scared, really scared that it was catching on.

                  Make no mistake about it: OWS was a incredibly diverse collection of brilliant, passionate and giving people, of all stripes, colors, denominations, ages and backgrounds. This wasn't about white privilege. There was as much discussion about the prison industrial complex as there was student debt. As was said many times there, "All our grievances are connected."

                  I've marched alongside OWS protestors through the streets of East New York against foreclosures, ending with a celebration of the re-claiming of a family's home.

                  I've marched with my local Occupy contingent in a sea of black and brown, Christian and Muslim brothers and sisters, down 5th Ave during a silent march to both honor the memory of 18 year old Ramarley Graham who was murdered by the NYPD, and as a massive protest demonstration against Stop & Frisk that was hardly covered, despite it being over 30,000 people.

                  I was in the emotional, snaking march through the City that organically erupted after the verdict of the Trayvon Martin case was announced, ending in Times Sq with another massive display of black ad white solidarity, steadying the feet of the young black woman who addressed the crowd from atop a metal casing.

                  I went to E. Flatbush with fellow OWS friends in solidarity after yet another unarmed young black male was mowed down by another bloodthirsty policeman who happened to be undercover, marching alongside the heartbroken and angry.

                  As part of my local Occupy group's weekly film series, we presented Michelle Alexander's essential film on the prison industrial complex "The New Jim Crow," as well as "Brother Outsider," the film about Bayard Rustin and others.

                  Occupy Wall St led many into courtrooms in the City to protest and disrupt the onslaught of illegal foreclosures wreaking havoc on minority homeowners. And the actions of Occupy Sandy have been much documented, including a sheepish admission by the Dept of Homeland Security lauding OWS for spearheading some of the biggest humanitarian support and relief contributions.

                  The fucking kangaroo court that sentenced Cecily McMillan was nothing more than a stern warning from the Ruling Class to future dissenters. We - me and you and the rest of us here - are just numbered minions, at best commodities to be bought and sold or useful consumers, they could give two shits about, be we black or white.

                  Do yourself a favor and read Chris Hedges' whole piece:

                  http://www.truthdig.com/...

                  What gives with you?

                  "Human history began with an act of disobedience, and it is not unlikely that it will be terminated by an act of obedience." Erich Fromm

                  by thirty three and a third on Wed May 21, 2014 at 11:42:03 PM PDT

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        •  Anybody who works for a boss (7+ / 0-)

          is working class, as far as I'm concerned. And the middle class isn't what it used to be.  A lot of OWS activists were people who were finding out that in 21st century America, you can't get a job that gives you a living wage, even if you come from the (formerly) middle class. And news flash: a lot of Occupiers were poor, homeless, people who had lost everything.

          Injustice is injustice, regardless. There isn't much class privilege when cops beat your head into a store window, break your nose or wrists, grab your breasts repeatedly, as a matter of police strategy to provoke your male friends into reactions, and deprive you of free association.

          That's some middle class privilege, so I guess its okay, eh? What's a grabbed breast or two, by a cop? No worries, it's all good. Maybe those cops got a good rock-hard boner over it. Women shouldn't be offended, and should maybe just lay down and enjoy it. Offer themselves up to the cops for a job well done, for serving the community.

          Goddamn middle class people who can't get jobs, who gives a fucking shit... suffering is good for the soul. And those poor people who were there... serves them right for mixing with a the middle class. And those middle class who aren't middle class anymore.. GOOD! Maybe they'll learn something... fuck 'em. May the cops beat them silly the next time they get some notion of standing up to Wall Street. Morons!

          And those Wall Street types, at least they're out there, working at getting rich. Go for the money, fuck this weak-kneed egalitarian bullshit. Yes?

          Dude, we're all in this together, in solidarity, or we're not.

          "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

          by ZhenRen on Tue May 20, 2014 at 06:03:56 PM PDT

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    •  Ok BBB, Thanks for the info. (7+ / 0-)

      I'll take that off. Just more reading, etc. if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

      I know you know what your talking about. So off it goes.

      Cecily has learned a lot. Like about how bad it really can get. Poor young woman. She and all the injured protesters deserve our love.

      OWS and Occupiers all over the world are very brave. They deserve our support.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Tue May 20, 2014 at 05:45:55 PM PDT

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    •  No, it isn't good that she's incarcerated (10+ / 0-)

      I don't wish this authoritarian criminal justice system on anyone, whether they're white, black, female, male, middle class, poor, or working class.

      Except the rich ruling class whom this system serves... I make an exception for them.

      And you don't know the facts from that fuzzy video. Sheez, if it had been a police officer on trial, and that fuzzy video were the evidence, it would have been mocked from here to planet Mars. The officer would have been made into a national hero.

      "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

      by ZhenRen on Tue May 20, 2014 at 06:19:43 PM PDT

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      •  Name the last time you (0+ / 0-)

        came to the defense of a black person in the crimnal justice system.

        Link a single comment, if you can.

        •  I have, BBB (6+ / 0-)

          I'm not going to spend the time doing a search, but I have. Trayvon Martin is one example, and I've made several comments about that. I've rec'd a lot of diaries involving the treatment of blacks.

          OWS has a special place in my thoughts, because I spent an enormous amount of time involved in this effort. I was personally attacked by cops, as was my partner.  So this hits home in a personal way. I'm not like a lot of the armchair commenters here... I was part of Occupy in Portland. It's personal to me.

          I grew up with a father who founded an ACLU chapter in our town, and he mostly worked with cops to get fair treatment for latinos and blacks in our neighborhood who were arrested. I don't think I'm half the man he was, but that's my history.

          "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

          by ZhenRen on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:32:06 PM PDT

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          •  LOL...you have black friends too, I bet. (0+ / 0-)

            Tell you what, and I seriously mean this, the very next case I see of similar nature, im going to publish.

            We shall see how many of you types show up at her trial. Somehow, my guess is zero but we shall see.

            •  I haven't shown up at trials of whites (2+ / 0-)
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              either, due to time restraints, and I understand why you think I wouldn't care about blacks, since I'm white. White people live in their own white world, and are often oblivious to what blacks experience.

              BBB, you asked me if I had commented on dkos about blacks in the criminal justice system, and I answered in the affirmative, only to find have you set me up by saying

              LOL...you have black friends too, I bet
              So no matter how I would have replied, I'd have experienced the same kind of answer. But I'm trying to get over taking offense to being called on white privilege, because white people do overreact to having this thrown in our faces. I see both sides, and I'm trying to be fair.

              There is a double standard, and blacks are treated far worse than whites. But this doesn't mean whites don't get mistreated too. It doesn't mean you should dismiss that, just because so many whites dismiss the mistreatment from which blacks suffer.

              "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

              by ZhenRen on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:15:15 AM PDT

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            •  So the ability to literally show up at someone's (2+ / 0-)
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              trial in NYC is your litmus test for the "elitist", "borderline racist", "privilege(d)", "offended left" (aka "you people") re police abuses and unequal justice?

              Awesome!  Thanks, now I know.

              PS Should I tell my black friends that they're a punchline in your eyes?

              The things I learn on Daily Kos...

              The Third Way ain't My Way!

              by JVolvo on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:34:02 AM PDT

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  •  ♥Thanks For All The Rec's And Tips Everyone♥ (6+ / 0-)

    Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

    by rebel ga on Tue May 20, 2014 at 06:29:18 PM PDT

  •  But wait. (5+ / 0-)

    I have no idea why she didn't attempt to get bail pending appeal after she was remanded on the jury verdict, or why, now that she's been sentenced, she hasn't made a motion to get bail pending appeal. That's essential. She has to serve a total of 90 days, and her sentence will be over (the jail part anyway) before the Appellate Division gets her brief, let alone her argument and decides the case.

    If bail pending appeal was denied, that's a big story, but I don't think an application was made. Letting her, or anyone else sit in Riker's when there's a chance to be released pending the appeal, doesn't seem correct.

  •  Thanks, rebel ga, for following this case! (4+ / 0-)

    I am heartened she did not get 5 years! I hope things turn out well for her and am glad she is comforted by the support.

    We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

    by occupystephanie on Tue May 20, 2014 at 08:47:48 PM PDT

    •  ♥Thank You Stephanie♥ (2+ / 0-)
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      I was happy to try and help Cecily♥ She is a lovely, intelligent, young woman.

      I'm not stupid, I know Cecily is innocent.

      She and all the OWS Protesters do "walk the walk" as WisePiper said.

      They all deserve our Love and Support.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Tue May 20, 2014 at 10:47:11 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you for posting this... (2+ / 0-)
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    This is a travesty and clearly meant to suppress dissent and criticism of the NYPD.

    best/sh

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