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I have seen much too much of people blaming the current situation in Iraq on:

- the British - for their past imperialism,

- the French - also for their past imperialism,

- the Iraqi PM - he's passed up all these imaginary opportunities to form an inclusive government to govern his fucked over country,

- the Iraqi military - we gave them all these expensive toys and training so that they could defend their fucked over country and then they just run away, and

- the Iraqi people - after being so thoroughly fucked over these ingrates just can't get along with each other.

There are really only two who deserve almost all of the blame:

1) The US for fucking Iraq up one side and down the other,

- killing hundreds of thousands,

- making just staying alive the main objective of most of the people of Iraq,

- destroying vast amounts of the country's infrastructure,

- imposing a constitution and governmental system on the country, and

- not allowing the country to have control of its own resources and economy.

2) Those who support the ISIS and those who allow the ISIS to be supported.

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  •  Tip Jar (23+ / 0-)

    The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
    Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

    by InAntalya on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 02:24:08 PM PDT

  •  I blame the new problems as you do. (8+ / 0-)

    That does not exonerate past bad actions and actors.

    Shit sandwiches all the way down.

  •  That would be these guys ... (6+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya, Smoh, a2nite, Pam from Calif, CwV, katiec

       

    The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

    by Azazello on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 02:32:45 PM PDT

  •  word. (3+ / 0-)
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    don't always believe what you think

    by claude on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 02:44:50 PM PDT

  •  ISIS is financed by major Arab 'allies' (7+ / 0-)

    who we never ever ever no never want to 'offend'.
    Its both comedy and tragedy at the same time.

  •  we opened Pandora's Box (5+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya, a2nite, mookins, Jim P, aliasalias

    and out of it has burst turmoil, misery, death and destruction

    and it continues both in Iraq and Syrian thanks to the help of our best mates in the Middle East those pillars of democracy and human rights Saudi A. and Qatar

    and with the connivance of powerful elements in our own State Department and other official and unofficial arms of our continuing Neocon delusions

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 02:58:55 PM PDT

  •  #2 is the USA again. (5+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya, TJ, mookins, aliasalias, Lepanto

    ISIS is supported with weapons and money by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar.

    And the USA is allied with both Saudi Arabia and Qatar, supplying them with military weapons and huge amounts of petro-dollars.

    We might consider some effective drone strikes against the terrorist funders of ISIS among our allies...

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 03:08:04 PM PDT

    •  From the same link: (3+ / 0-)
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      We have met the enemy and the enemy is us:

      The Brookings paper argues the U.S. government needs to do more.

      The U.S. Treasury is aware of this activity and has expressed concern about this flow of private financing. But Western diplomats’ and officials’ general response has been a collective shrug,” the report states.

      {italics added}

      Who is our Treasury Secretary?  Citibank executive, Jack Lew, formerly appointed by Obama to be White House Chief of Staff.

      So, who does this all tie back to? Lack of action by who? The USA does nothing about the known problem and now American service members are at risk again.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 03:12:06 PM PDT

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  •  Asdf (2+ / 0-)
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    FUCK, FUCK, FUCK, FUCK the USA the bastion of evil white male privilege. This is what happens when you let stupid evil white boys be in charge of "foreign policy". They fuck it up. W fucked it up & said not me. It's all on him.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 03:19:33 PM PDT

    •  And a huge pile was left for the current (2+ / 0-)
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      administration to deal with - how successfully is still to be seen.

      I have hope that President Obama is playing the 'long game' which will bear fruit. There have been some actions in the past six years which I disagree with but they could be a part of this 'long game'.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 03:33:30 PM PDT

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  •  You forgot the Saudis, the Kuwaitis and all the (1+ / 0-)
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    other usual players in the ME which have stirred various ethnic and religious pots since 1918 to their own ends, frequently over oil or geography.

    That being said, it appears the Iraqi people are the least to blame here for the current mess.  It would take more than a simple comment to cover all of the screw-ups and such that have been done.  All I can do is observe that currently, the Western Press seems to take great delight in blaming the avalanche for the damage while ignoring the guys on the slopes above setting off dynamite.

  •  #2 group are our BFFs (2+ / 0-)
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    Kuwaiti oligarchs, Saudi monarchs, Qatari whatevers, and Turkish middlemen.  Hard to believe their wasn't some tacit U.S. consent.

  •  That said (1+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya

    The only ones who can fix it are in Iraq.  It's up to them now.

    Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre.

    by Sky Net on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:29:49 PM PDT

    •  True to a degree, but (1+ / 0-)
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      the only ones who can stop creating a situation in which the Iraqis are left with the burden of having to fix is the US.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:40:03 PM PDT

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  •  the Iranians used to chant "USA, Great Satan!" But (0+ / 0-)

    now they just chant "USA!  USA! USA!"...

  •  Kurdistan sounds really good, (2+ / 0-)
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    I think we should support and expand on the concept of 3 separate nations for Iraq as proposed by Joe Biden back in the mid 2000's.  Screw this bullshit of trying to get these separate religious, cultural and "racial" groups to get along after a number of centuries of infighting.

    I call for separate Kurd, Sunni and Shi'ite nations to be created with the support of the US for all three.

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" James Madison 4th US President

    by padeius on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:57:46 PM PDT

    •  Who gets the oil? n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    •  So you want to US to just keep on fucking around (5+ / 0-)
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      with Iraq in order to 'fix' past US fucking around with Iraq.

      Because the US knows best, of course.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 05:13:19 PM PDT

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      •  We're Exceptional. Our bombs are peace-inducing (4+ / 0-)
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        aliasalias, Lepanto, InAntalya, padeius

        bombs; our surveillance of our own population is freedom-making surveillance; and so on.


        A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned. -- Firefly

        by Jim P on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 07:19:57 PM PDT

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      •  Not really, I think we should go to the UN (1+ / 0-)
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        InAntalya

        and ask real politely if the rest of the UN would allow the separation of the Iraqi state in lieu of continued fighting.  I would then propose a UN peace keeping force made up from the Arab states that are currently not involved in a civil war or other combat to help separate and maintain the separate border regions.

        The Turks might have a small problem with a kurdish state but they would prolly prefer that to all out civil war on their southern border.

        Saudi Arabia would prolly support such a solution as well as Iran.

        By involving the UN we no longer take a lead or try to "fuck" with Iraq.

        "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" James Madison 4th US President

        by padeius on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 12:45:23 AM PDT

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        •  I don't understand how a 'request' by the US (1+ / 0-)
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          to the UN to 'allow' Iraq to split up 'under UN supervision/occupation' is not fucking with (externally deciding on the future of and imposing that decision on) Iraq while also not being the US's taking the lead in controlling Iraqi affairs.

          This is not only not how the UN and international law work it is also based on the false premise that the people of Iraq want the country to be split up.

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 01:31:35 AM PDT

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          •  I am pretty sure the kurds want out. (0+ / 0-)

            Also, not understanding is not fucking.  

            I see you have inferred a few interesting tidbits into what my comment actually said to make it more suitable to your counter narrative.  Good luck with that.

            "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" James Madison 4th US President

            by padeius on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 05:31:52 PM PDT

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    •  More & more likely (1+ / 0-)
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      InAntalya

      KSA was never going to let a Shia ruled Iraq stand, it upsets the Sunni/Shite balance in the ME region.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 05:30:12 PM PDT

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  •  Former PM Allawi recently laid the blame on the (2+ / 0-)
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    mookins, InAntalya

    US for destroying Iraq's civil govt along with destroying the regime AND Iran for subsequent meddling in Iraqi affairs with the intent to destroy national unity.

    Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

    by the fan man on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:29:51 PM PDT

  •   If we strike ISIS, who are we fighting FOR? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  I meant to respond... (1+ / 0-)
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    InAntalya

    to your comment to this effect in an earlier diary, then got sidetracked. I think that you're a bit off-base here. There is simply no way to understand the nature of the American cock-up in Iraq independent of the fuller context of Western imperial machinations in the region during the final decades of the nineteenth century and the entire course of the twentieth. Do you disavow your own series here on the Mandates, in which you wrote that "I believe that understanding this era is important to understanding the region today"?

    ISIL's ideology is deeply rooted in the period, as are the various nationalisms competing in the region. True, saying that the British and/or French are solely to blame for the problems in contemporary Iraq is inaccuarate, but c'mon... who's doing that?

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 07:25:38 AM PDT

    •  I understand your point. (0+ / 0-)

      The point I want to make is, as I wrote:

      I am sure there will be many in the next few days who will try to focus attention away from current American incompetence and misdeeds by bringing up past British and French misdeeds.
      There has been quite a lot of effort to do just that by blaming others as I noted in the text above. President Obama has even tried to place the blame for the current events on the Iraqi PM.

      I believe that understanding the mandate era is important to understanding the region today.

      I object to the mandate era, etc. being used as convenient excuses in an effort to absolve the US from its responsibility and as a means of focusing attention away from US responsibility.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:03:02 AM PDT

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      •  And Tony Blair has written: (0+ / 0-)
        Though the challenge of terrorism was and is very real, the sectarianism of the Maliki Government snuffed out what was a genuine opportunity to build a cohesive Iraq. This, combined with the failure to use the oil money to re-build the country, and the inadequacy of the Iraqi forces have led to the alienation of the Sunni community and the inability of the Iraqi army to repulse the attack on Mosul and the earlier loss of Fallujah
        The reality is that the whole of the Middle East and beyond is going through a huge, agonising and protracted transition. We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that ‘we’ have caused this. We haven't. We can argue as to whether our policies at points have helped or not; and whether action or inaction is the best policy and there is a lot to be said on both sides. But the fundamental cause of the crisis lies within the region not outside it.

        The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

        by InAntalya on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 08:33:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

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