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They get significantly REDUCED, that's what.

States that allow legal use of medical marijuana have lower rates of fatal overdoses from prescription medications.

A new study published in JAMA Internal Medicine found the 13 states where medical marijuana is legal had 24.8 percent fewer annual opioid overdose mortality rates.

Shocking.

Just shocking.

About 60 percent of all deaths from opioid overdoses happen in patients who have legitimate prescriptions, and the number of patients who are prescribed opioids for non-cancer pain has nearly doubled over the last decade.
Opiod meds, essential for certain pain management, though not always terribly effective, are dangerous. They are addictive and as the records show, they come with a significant potential for harm and death.

But don't smoke pot: isn't that what we always have to hear?

If additional studies confirm their findings, the researchers said medical marijuana laws could be promoted as a means to reduce prescription painkiller abuse.
Take that, ONDCP/DEA/HHS/NIDA.

Take that.

Originally posted to DKos Cannabis Law and Drug War Reform on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 08:29 AM PDT.

Also republished by Good News.

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  •  Gov't agencies won't care (43+ / 0-)

    Not until the lobbyist dollars from Big Pot can match what Big Pharma doles out.  All those prescription pain meds are a lucrative business.  They're not giving that up, no matter how many people their drugs kill.  I expect endless denials and stonewalling on this.

      •  It's coming (2+ / 0-)
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        eyo, oldpotsmuggler

        I am even more confident in my prediction from prior to the 2012 election.  

        Obama will move it to schedule two after the midterms.

        If I am wrong, I will go and delete all of my old comm..

        Damn you KOS!

        Streichholzschächtelchen

        by otto on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 02:54:14 PM PDT

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        •  Not likely because marijuana is not a drug (1+ / 0-)
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          eyo

          or at least no more a drug than green tea. The drugs found in cannabis resins are called cannabinoids. The primary psychoactive cannabinoid drug is THC and synthetic THC has already been moved to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act. Organic THC will more likely get moved to Schedule III and the slang term marijuana should be removed completely from federal laws.

          Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

          by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:55:47 PM PDT

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    •  or big pharma can (8+ / 0-)

      get legislative help to make sure that they (big pharma) can control all legal marijuana sales.  Then they jack up the price and rake in the profits.

      •  And nothing will change (6+ / 0-)

        and pot-heads will shrug and roll another one...been enduring this cops-n-dopers shit for years....nothing new...

        "I still think he shudda took the reds, Man..."

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 08:48:23 AM PDT

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      •  Black market will act as a control on that (24+ / 0-)

        Unlike Big Pharma's drugs, it doesn't take a scientific laboratory/factory to grow weed.  If weed is legal, and Big Pharma's weed price is significantly above current street price, then the current grow operations stay in business.

        Plants can't be patented, and all of Big Pharma's lawyers can't keep plants from growing.  Their only play is to keep weed illegal.  It's up to the voters to keep throwing the corrupt politicians out, or to do what Washington and Colorado have done.

        •  Big corporate profits (2+ / 0-)
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          rb608, Carol in San Antonio

          IMO the big boys will take control and use regulation to prevent the little guys from playing.  
          They can require internal testing that requires expensive equipment. They can require significant insurance and big dollar bonding to get into the business. For marlboro to put 10 million down to cover future lawsuits, is a drop in the bucket for them. For a local grower/dispenser, that would be prohibitive and would prevent the little guys from playing.

          I think somewhere down the road it will be more like craft brewing and the little brewers being successful. But I also think it will be like it was for decades, the big and powerful controlling the market with regulations.

          The legs of the crane have become short in the summer rain. Buson

          by Travelin Man on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:43:57 AM PDT

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          •  Oh- you mean like people who make medicine. (3+ / 0-)
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            They can require internal testing that requires expensive equipment. They can require significant insurance and big dollar bonding to get into the business.
            C'mon, if it's medicine, it should be subject to the same kind of controls as any medicine.

            I mean, where can you legally buy MILK that hasn't been tested for contamination, and was produced by an uninsured business?

            •  That's a fair point, but (5+ / 0-)

              it isn't medicine.  I agree a certain standard of purity and safety, e.g. milk, is desirable for any product; but pot shouldn't be subject to the same standards as prescription medication.  It's a plant.  A non-harmful plant.  Folks should be able to grow their own without needing a corporate product or government regulation.

              That's a drawback IMO of the "medical marijuana" approach.  Forget the medical part and just allow it to be available to all adults.

              You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

              by rb608 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:28:55 AM PDT

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              •  Washington State (11+ / 0-)

                The Liquor Control Board has approved over 200 chemicals and pesticides that can be used in commercial grows.

                The beauty of the medical marijuana community is that everyone knows everyone else. I'm friends with the people who own and operate the dispensaries I use. In turn, I know the kinds of product they look for, and usually who is supplying them. They look for the use of organic soil, fertilizers and pest management. They also look for mold, which can cause problems for people who are allergic to it. Finally, they test the bud for the content of various chemicals like THC, THC-V, CBD, CBA, and so on. When I buy my medicine, I know how clean it is, who has handled it, how it was grown, what the strains are, what the parent plants are, and what the relative content of the various chemicals in the plant.

                These are all things that I can't get if the medical marijuana industry goes away.

                •  I'm maintining my authorization, for sure (1+ / 0-)
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                  rb608

                  I don't think it will be right until all of the state has the same recreational access as medical does, for closer to that cost.

                  Streichholzschächtelchen

                  by otto on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:00:06 PM PDT

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                •  We're just the sprouts (3+ / 0-)
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                  eyo, Bradana, rb608

                  Right now most people have a relationship with their caregiver and know quite a bit more about the product than they will as larger and larger operations join the fold.

                  I'd like to see it like Amsterdam but more up front legally.

                  The legs of the crane have become short in the summer rain. Buson

                  by Travelin Man on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:46:22 PM PDT

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              •  The risk card (1+ / 0-)
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                rb608

                I think the people in power will use the reasoning that since it is a dangerous drug, like alcohol, it will need to be as closely measured for cbd/cbn/thc as liquor is for proof and purity.

                You will not find the variance in alcohol that you find in the same strains of marijuana, even grown in the same environment. I would imagine the closer the bud is to the top the higher the percentages are as well not to mention how each flower will mature at different rates and the chemical levels will vary depending on the maturity.

                Somehow the corporations will validate some testing that guarantees the impossible that will be accepted by the gov. and would be too expensive for the small player.

                Preferably for them, even the mid level players would be buying from them.  And we know from the past how the powerful people can make the rules so only they can play the game.

                The legs of the crane have become short in the summer rain. Buson

                by Travelin Man on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:42:43 PM PDT

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              •  If it is truly medicinal... (0+ / 0-)

                then it should be subject to all of the regulations and testing that we subject any other medicine to. It should also only be sold under the supervision of a licensed pharmacist and for approved maladies should be covered by prescription drug insurance. It should also not be prescribed by those assembly line doctors that have sprung up in all of the medicinal marijuana states. They should close those down just as they are closing down the oxyconton prescription mills.

                Now, if recreational is also legal, meet the minimal standards and have fun selling. Just don't advertise that you are selling pot that could be used to cure any maladies - at least not to degree other than what the scamming nutritional supplement stores already do.

                Some people also buy from moonshiners...and every year some go blind from methanol poisoning - or worse.

                YMMV

            •  more like liquor (1+ / 0-)
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              OrganicChemist

              From the medical side I completely agree with the rigorous testing and repeatability of chemical levels. Those kids who are fighting seizures and find great relief from medical marijuana should be sure the levels of CBN, CBD and THC are constant. Same with people who find relief form other chemical percentages.

              From the recreational side I believe it will be controlled more like liquor.  How hard would it be for a regular Joe to get into the liquor business? Moonshiners are still imprisoned in almost (if not all) states. I don't think it would be sold on an open market like tobacco. It would be the hemp products I think that would go that route.

              The legs of the crane have become short in the summer rain. Buson

              by Travelin Man on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:12:28 PM PDT

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            •  Yes, it should be controlled like other herbal (1+ / 0-)
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              eyo

              remedies. I can grow and use many other herbs for my own medicinal needs. Why can't I grow herbal cannabis without government intervention?

              Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

              by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:03:50 PM PDT

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              •  I'd have no problem for you to do that... (0+ / 0-)

                as long as you only grow for personal consumption, don't sell any, don't give away significant amounts and don't try to practice medicine without a license.

                •  Producing medicinal cannabis is more like (0+ / 0-)

                  practicing pharmacy or even more accurately being a herbalist. It's not really like practicing medicine at all. In fact, we work closely with several oncologists in providing specific cannabis products to their patients. The information we provide to the patients sent to us by licensed doctors would be closer to the information given by a pharmacist.

                  Maybe you have a point. We should create an association like the AMA and license medicinal cannabis producers so that we can create a monopoly of the medical advice we give to the public. Hey, I could even become a doctor of herbal cannabis. Wow, I like it. We could even operate like the AMA and limit the number of licenses awarded in order to keep our profession in high demand. We could become just as greedy and selfish as the AMA or...maybe not.

                  Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                  by RMForbes on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:47:41 AM PDT

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                  •  If you are going to sell medicine... (0+ / 0-)

                    then you need to meet the same standards as we would demand of anyone else. If you are going to write a prescription for medicine or give medical advice, and claim that it is medical advice, then you need to meet the same standards as anyone else who we allow to do that.

                    •  The standards are produced by a purely political (1+ / 0-)
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                      organization, the AMA. I don't think that telling someone complaining of a headache to drink a cup of herbal cannabis tea or to take an aspirin is the same thing as writing a prescription. Herbalist's can recommend natural plant remedies for specific ailments without needing a medical degree.

                      Having a medical degree doesn't give a doctor a monopoly on knowledge and wisdom. In fact, I would trust the medical advice of many herbalist's I know over some of the doctors I know. Doctors today have become nothing more than drug pushers for Big Pharma and are more likely to make disastrous mistakes than an herbalist. I just don't buy that authoritarian BS created primarily over the last century by the AMA for financial gain anymore.

                      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                      by RMForbes on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:27:40 AM PDT

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                      •  You are quite free to tell someone to drink tea... (0+ / 0-)

                        or suggest that they take an aspirin. You just can't charge for that advice or imply that it is an informed medical opinion - that's all.

                        •  But I legally produce herbal cannabis products (1+ / 0-)
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                          Calamity Jean

                          and am well educated on the medicinal effects of different strains of cannabis with their variety of combinations of cannabinoids. Why can't I, like a pharmacist at the point of sale, guide a specific customer with a specific ailment to a specific strain and/or specific concentrated product type of cannabis and suggest how it should be administered?

                          You don't make sense. The doctors that send their patients to me expect me to find the most effective strain and concentration of cannabis for their patient specific ailment(s). That's what we do, that's how the system works. If you don't like it, it's your problem and not mine.

                          Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                          by RMForbes on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 02:03:44 PM PDT

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                          •  AS long as you are not charging for your advice... (0+ / 0-)

                            and not going beyond what a clerk might do in one of those supplement stores such as a GNC, then I have no problem. I just hope that at some point we can get to a system where health insurance will pay for medically proven cannabis-based remedies. That won't happen without more research, testing and regulation. Herbalists are fine as long as they don't harm people. I'm sure some are very helpful. Many people swear by them and that's fine, too. However, there is no standardization or certification of their training or ability such as there is with pharmacists. As the industry matures, that is where it will need to go and I'm sure most professionals and governmental officials will want it to go there.

                          •  So when do you complain about the damage (1+ / 0-)
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                            OrganicChemist

                            Big Pharma has been doing since they have effectively taken over medicine? Doctors kill thousands of people every year because the exact model you are suggesting we follow. The FDA has been captured by the bean counters in the pharmaceutical industry and the jackboot science denying thugs in the DEA. I don't trust them right now.

                            I suggest instead we go back to a system of locally controlled enlightened humanity instead of our current system of centralized authoritarian capitalism in administering our commons but especially in our medical professions. We (medicinal cannabis producers) are currently organizing professional organizations, associations and co-ops and will eventually be able to enforce professional standards but I have no confidence in the current industry captured government regulatory agencies to take over that process.

                            When the government agencies stop caring more about corporate profits than the American people then my attitude will likely change but until then keep your hands off of our growing cottage style industry.

                            I don't understand how you think we are "charging for your advice". We don't do that, we sell the various strains of cannabis we grow and that's all. I just don't think applying your broken federal regulatory system to our industry is a very good idea and is completely unnecessary.

                            Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                            by RMForbes on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:24:36 PM PDT

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                          •  Homeopathists, anti-vaxers and lots of other... (0+ / 0-)

                            snake-oil salesmen all want a "locally controlled enlightened humanity". If you want to remain in the gray area of a supplements peddler, that will all be fine. If you ever want to have access to health insurance or government payments, then the only way possible is through the established retail and regulation channels.

                            I'm a pretty good chemist. I could set up a lab, hire a few of my grad students and we could start to churn out all kinds of generic pills and probably make a lot of money - but I would never advocate that I be allowed to do so. It would be a terrible thing if we would begin to allow mom and pop shops to spring up peddling medicinal drugs without proper oversight, inspection and regulation. I'm sure there would be some good ones - just as I'm sure you try to do the best job for your clients - but it would be a situation rife for abuse.

                          •  Instead of musing about becoming another parasite (0+ / 0-)

                            on society, why don't you focus your energy on opening a testing facility for medicinal and recreational cannabis products? I could send you some business if you opened up in Oregon. I'm quite sure if you were involved in our industry and dealt first hand with herbal cannabis producers you wouldn't be so eager to get the corporate controlled and Monsanto executive headed FDA involved.

                            BTW, the only homeopathic doctor I know has a medical degree and ran a successful practice for a couple decades first. He only switched to holistic medicine because he became disillusioned with the direction modern medicine was going, he didn't want to become just another pill pusher. I think you are engaging in gross stereotyping based upon personal prejudices.

                            There might be less than moral people in my industry especially in States that have not yet liberated herbal cannabis but there are also many so called professionals in the medical profession that are only in it to make a lot of money, patients be damned. There are unsavory characters in every walk of life...there are no more or less in the cannabis industry right now (at least in legal States). The kinds of controls you want to impose on my industry would in reality make no difference in the long run. It is totally unnecessary and will not work.  

                            Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                            by RMForbes on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:55:13 PM PDT

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                          •  I have no problem with a doctor... (0+ / 0-)

                            who might combine Western medicine with certain Eastern arts such as acupuncture, meditation, yoga, etc. Those are all widely accepted today. If that would be the model of a holistic physician, I would have no problem with that. However, the use of homeopathic medications is an absolute and dangerous scam. Hopefully you are not supporting those. If so, then we really are pretty wide apart in our views. I also do feel that regulation by the FDA is the only game in town if you want to sell medicine and eventually be covered by health insurance. I think the health insurance issue will drive things. As more cannabis based medications come on the market, there will be companies that would want to be able to tap into health insurance and they will absolutely have to be regulated to do that. The legit medical cannabis market will eventually be regulated. Today's dispensaries will have fun with the recreational market and even that will eventually consolidate to a few big players just like cigarettes and rental movies and video games.

                          •  You need to get more specific (0+ / 0-)

                            Which of the homeopathic remedies do you object? Do you not believe the western medicine for profit is problematic?

                            About four years ago my 84 year old mother woke up with pain all over her body. Her doctor prescribed a cocktail of five medications to treat her chronic pain. Two of the medications were actually for pain management and the other three were needed to control the dangerous side effects of the first two. And they didn't do a good job at all and made the situation even worse, my mother could not get out of bed when she took them as directed. Ironically, the western medicine response to her chronic pain was much worse than the disease. Unfortunately, this example is far too common today.

                            I think we need to reform our current medical system and not just blindly support this mess.  

                            Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                            by RMForbes on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:07:56 AM PDT

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                          •  I'm fine with Western medicine... (0+ / 0-)

                            for a reasonable profit. I object to all homeopathic remedies that rely on the dilution principle. I don't know what others there are.

                            I think we are at the point where we will just have to disagree. You do have some interesting thoughts - I just can't agree with a lot of them. I do thank you for your expressing your ideas and your thoughts.

          •  Black market ignores regulations (1+ / 0-)
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            Carol in San Antonio

            Just as it does today.

            If cigarette smokers only smoked one cigarette a day, and a pack cost $20 without taxes, I have no doubt that there would be black market tobacco growers meeting a significant fraction of the market demand.

            Tobacco as used today is too high volume.  Alcohol is high volume and bulky/heavy.
            Weed is low volume, small, light.  Easy to bootleg.

            •  isn't there already a black market (2+ / 0-)
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              Carol in San Antonio, samanthab

              in cigarettes?

              He said a friend makes a weekly trip to North Carolina with $100,000, loads up on cigarettes, then returns to New York. "He makes a million dollars a year," the bodega owner said.

              The financial incentive for smuggling cigarettes is clear. If the bodega owner were to go about it the legal way, buying a pack of cigarettes at the wholesale price of $12.50, then retailing that pack for $13, he only makes 50 cents profit.

              Each pack of cigarettes smuggled from out of state wholesales for about $5.50. The store owner can still sell those packs for $12.50. But suddenly, he's making a $7 profit.

              "Everybody wants to leave ... some mark upon the world. Then you think, you left a mark on the world if you just get through it." -- drag artist Dorian Corey my book blog: Dare I Read

              by LuvSet on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:15:47 AM PDT

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              •  Not in manufacturing (0+ / 0-)

                Smuggling to get around taxes is a separate issue.

                What I'm saying is that for marijuana, if Marlboro was selling a pack of joints for $20, the black market could easily be competitive with that price, in a way that would prevent Marlboro from trying to over-regulate production and put small producers out of business.

                Except for the hipsters who roll their own, I don't know of anyone making black market cigs.  And the hipsters don't make them to sell, and still buy regular market tobacco.

                •  But Marlboro doesn't put small tobacco producers (2+ / 0-)
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                  out of business at all. RJR buys the tobacco at market prices from the small tobacco farmers and processes it into their products. RJR and similar tobacco companies are middlemen that process and market their products...they are not primarily growers.

                  Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                  by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 02:31:03 PM PDT

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                •  tobacco would be more like legal hemp (2+ / 0-)
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                  Norm in Chicago, eyo

                  I think comparing recreational marijuana to tobacco is setting up a straw man.

                  The legs of the crane have become short in the summer rain. Buson

                  by Travelin Man on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:51:56 PM PDT

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            •  moonshine (0+ / 0-)

              Maybe it will be like moonshine but on a national scale. My friend from Tennessee can find illegal moonshine from many local sources.  Unfortunately that leaves people open to losing everything.

              The legs of the crane have become short in the summer rain. Buson

              by Travelin Man on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:48:53 PM PDT

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          •  It'll be interesting to see (2+ / 0-)
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            Carol in San Antonio, eyo

            how GOP corporatism and anti-regulation changes direction when regulations are needed to protect corporate profits.

            You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

            by rb608 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:23:19 AM PDT

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        •  Monsanto is into patenting GMOs and... (8+ / 0-)

          ...GMO Weed? Connections Alleged Between Uruguay Marijuana Legalization, Monsanto and Soros

          They will try but the anti-GMO movement in Uruguay may stop them.

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          by Shockwave on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:18:36 AM PDT

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          •  Total random speculation and conspiracy theory (4+ / 0-)
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            spiritplumber, RichM, RMForbes, otto

            And whether legalization will ever be implemented in Uruguay is another story. They want more regulation than manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.
            After a decade of legalization, no one will care anymore about genetic markers, and seed to to harvest RFID's etc.

            "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

            by shmuelman on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:38:45 AM PDT

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          •  Will horrors never cease? Monsanto and RNAi omfg (1+ / 0-)
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            Shockwave
            Moving into marijuana could be seen as a logical next step for Monsanto. The company is reputedly investing millions of dollars into a new technology known as RNA interference (RNAi), which could be used to manipulate everything from the color of the plant to making it indigestible to insects, or resistant to certain herbicides (like the "Roundup Ready" versions of crops that Monsanto produces to withstand the herbicides the company sells).

            Genetic modification through RNAi or other methods could, of course, be used to create larger, more potent marijuana plants -- and plants that could be distinguished from unauthorized, "black market" marijuana through genetic testing.

            This is catching my hair on fire, damn them.
        •  Big Pharma could likely sell cheaper MJ... (0+ / 0-)

          Than is available on the black market or what's available in dispensaries. That would be their advantage, particularly if it ended up being covered by insurance plans. They could set up massive, massive grow operations.

          In California, medical marijuana is rather expensive. Often times, more expensive than the black market.

          •  Anheuser-Busch (5+ / 0-)

            can sell beer cheaper than a low volume craft brewer, too, but that doesn't mean the products are in any way comparable.

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 12:27:15 PM PDT

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          •  Not likely (3+ / 0-)
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            otto, eyo, offgrid

            Growing medicinal cannabis is quite labor intensive and more in tune with smaller cottage industry type operations than mass production techniques. Prices would more likely go up if big pharma got involved.

            I don't see big business taking over small local growers but they may tend to take over processing/distribution/marketing much like how the tobacco industry operates. That's why I think it's important for the growers to join together in associations and cooperatives now before the transnational corporations like Monsanto can get their dirty hands on our markets.

            Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

            by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 12:36:14 PM PDT

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            •  I don't have much love for growers/dispensaries... (0+ / 0-)

              Here in California. The counties with some of the most extensive MJ industry (Trinity, Humboldt, Mendo) went against Prop 19 a few years ago. I know there are some prominent medical dispensary operators on the record as opposing the legalization of recreational use... It seems to me they're clearly interested in protecting their cartel/monopoly. If big multinationals are able to offer comparable products at a lower price, then that seems a clear plus for patients and citizens.

              •  I wouldn't trust your big transnational (0+ / 0-)

                corporations to lower prices for the consumer in the long run. Odds are they would end up with prices at the same level of even higher after first lowering prices so low that it drives all the small competitors out of business just like how all the big monopolistic companies operate. Once they establish their monopoly you will see prices go back up big time. The only real protection we have against high prices is the ability to grow our own. Look out when they make it illegal to grow for personal use while making it legal to produce commercially.

                I was a volunteer for the Prop 19 campaign and I believe that many of the growers that voted against Prop 19 were afraid of just the scenario that you are advocating. They were afraid that companies like RJR and/or Monsanto would swoop in and take over the market driving the small local growers out of business. It was an unwarranted  fear looking in hindsight but it was part of the propaganda used by the prohibitionists to vote down Prop 19. That BS will not work today.

                Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 07:30:45 PM PDT

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          •  MMJ (0+ / 0-)

            I can go to a dispensary, and I can get decent cannabis for 7/gram.  

            That's 3 dollars cheaper a gram than when I was in HS, in the eighties.

            Streichholzschächtelchen

            by otto on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:01:51 PM PDT

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        •  You just explained why Big pharma will (0+ / 0-)

          a) never get in to the weed business and b) is working so hard to see that it doesn't take off.

          If weed is legal eventually there will be a guy in every neighborhood in America capable of supplying his friends.  Those friends have very little to no incentive to buy marijuana from Marlboro when they can buy some from Joe down the street.

          Marijuana isn't a profit maker if its legal. To easy to grow, to easy to package, to easy to sell.  Only its illegal nature keeps the price inflated allowing those willing to live completely outside the law the most power to profit and control the trade.  

    •  The connection between pot and opiates (18+ / 0-)

      There is a connection between marijuana use and use of opiate pain-killers (morphine, percoset, dilaudid, hydromorphone, fentanyl, etc).

      The connection is that marijuana has mild analgesic properties (mild pain relieve), and people who smoke or inhale marijuana report less pain, and less need for opiate medications.

      So it makes perfect medical sense that in states where people are allowed to use marijuana, there is less use of opiate pain medications, and less abuse and overdosing from opiates.

      Of course, thanks to the "war on drugs", the information for public distribution is that marijuana is a "gateway" drug that leads to opiate misuse and abuse.  And as this study shows, this information is entirely wrong.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:14:13 AM PDT

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    •  All of those Big Pharma... (1+ / 0-)
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      Prescription pain med pushers are the major funders and motivators behind 'Just Say No' efforts which are the major sources of marijuana miss-information.  Funny that.

      “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck (Disputed)

      by RichM on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:50:45 AM PDT

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    •  Norm- agree with you (0+ / 0-)

      But there is a ray of hope.

       The CDC is taking  a better stand on  the public health effects of opiate abuse, and there are ongoing efforts to decrease inappropriate actions of legal drug pushers oops I mean (some) Pain Physicians.

      On the other hand the head of the FDA ignored the recommendations of the advisory board of physicians who overwhelmingly voted to not to approve Zohydro, an insanely powerful opiate. One dose  can kill a child and two an adult. A decision at the top of the "Can you possibly believe that" category. Maybe follow the money behind that to understand her decision?

      One step forward, one step back. But at least there is some momentum in the right direction.

      Let's build on that and keep going ahead.
      Happy Labor Day to you and family.

  •  I love this (12+ / 0-)

    Now I can ask my county commission why they want to kill pain sufferers.

  •  That's good news - republished. Thanks. (5+ / 0-)
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    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 08:55:40 AM PDT

  •  Thought this was about police shootings like fe... (1+ / 0-)
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    Thought this was about police shootings like ferguson at first.

  •  Conservatism is About Rules Not Results (18+ / 0-)

    The rule is, no marijuana. There's no rule that says minimize prescription drug deaths. There is one that says maximize prescription drug sale profits.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:02:51 AM PDT

  •  Know so many Ambien takers who should (15+ / 0-)

    just have a toke or two to sleep, or they mix pills and alcohol, when a vape would do the trick almost harmlessly

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:23:28 AM PDT

  •  Get the public hooked on over using your ... (6+ / 0-)

    prescription drugs to maximize your pharmaceutical profits, then throw their asses in prison for over using your prescription drugs to maximize the profits of the prison industry. They got us caged no matter what we do; capitalism without a conscious.


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    by glb3 on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:26:35 AM PDT

  •  If deaths soared we'd hear about it on FOX (8+ / 0-)

    every day until the next election.
    If they stay the same or decline, crickets.

  •  It would be interesting to know what happened to (2+ / 0-)
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    OD #s among patients co-administering MMJ w/ opiates, how many non-prescribed opiate users were among the OD death #s.

    I can see how MMJ would GREATLY impact OD #s among pain patients- cannabidinol is an extremely effective treatment for a lot of pains. If a patient is able to reduce their use of opiates, there is a corresponding reduction in OD risk- particularly in long-term maintenance patients, who's tolerance to pain-killing effects often builds quicker than tolerance to respiratory depression.

    I don't see how the availability of MMJ will effect OD #s in recreational users- most of the folk I know who like opiates aren't regular MJ users.

    If additional studies confirm their findings, the researchers said medical marijuana laws could be promoted as a means to reduce prescription painkiller abuse.
    This I dunno about. If by abuse they mean "the taking for pleasure doses of my prescribed medication that are higher than I strictly need for pain control", I kinda doubt it- If you like Mu agonism, you like Mu agonism, and CB1-2 aren't gonna cut it. Not the buzz you're after.

    If we're talking about non-medical recreational use, I don't really see how MMJ is going to change opiate usage patterns at all- Again, if you like tweaking @ the opiate receptors, that's what makes you feel good- that's what you're going to do. Maybe the idea is that, by lessening the total count of opiate painkillers in circulation, we'd be looking at less diversion? Seems kinda stretching.

    I can't regard high-dosage use of opiates by persons in signifigant pain as "abuse", even though it can lead to fatal overdose.

    •  Is "abuse" in this case... (1+ / 0-)
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      something of a catch-all that also covers those who unintentionally had problems with it?

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      by TakeSake on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:54:01 AM PDT

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      •  Ya got me- (1+ / 0-)
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        but the only way that MMJ is helpful to those folk is if it's prescribed INSTEAD OF the original opiate that sent them off to the races.

        I should point out that never in human history has someone "intentionally" developed a drug problem.

        •  I take opiates for chronic pain (9+ / 0-)

          Tramadol in the day and Tylenol 4s at night. A little bit of pot works in concert with the opiates and I have cut my night time dosage in half as a result. I don't see MMJ replacing serious pain relievers but it can enhance the relief.

          Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

          by high uintas on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:14:50 AM PDT

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          •  I hope you don't find this presumptuous but ple... (3+ / 0-)

            I hope you don't find this presumptuous but please, please, PLEASE be very careful with Tramadol. I know it is supposed to be some kind of less-addictive wonder drug but it is not, and withdrawal is just as bad as heroin.

            Whatever you do, don't ever try to stop it cold turkey.

            People roll their eyes and look at me like I'm 'round the bend when I talk about Tramadol this way because they perceive it as harmless. Unfortunately I know from close experience that it is not, and the horror show my husband endured has made me determined to sound the alarm on this drug.

            Again, apologies if you feel I've overstepped my bounds.

            •  Don't worry (1+ / 0-)
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              I do understand. Tramadol is deceptive because it doesn't seem like a strong opiate. I frankly feel nothing when I take it but pain relief, but I know that one can develop a physical need for it, just like the codeine.

              When I preview the first line looks bolded. I don't know why but I'm not intending it. Crazy kos place....

              Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

              by high uintas on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:13:50 AM PDT

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            •  It lowers the seizure threshold. (2+ / 0-)
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              Like benzodiazepine withdrawal, very dangerous and potentially fatal. Heroin/opioid withdrawal, no matter how sick it makes you, I believe is virtually never fatal.
              I agree with the above comment, there is a definite need for opiate drugs for pain relief, but anyway that the use can be mitigated should be considered.

              "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

              by shmuelman on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:28:41 AM PDT

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    •  Some people like hitting all those buttons, (0+ / 0-)

      whatever you got. If you can't get Percocets, how bout some Jack and a joint? Anything to lift the ears, eh? Ambien? Meth? Both at the same time? Why not? YOLO!
      Or maybe it's just the crowd I hung out with, I dunno.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:19:01 AM PDT

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      •  Strawman? (2+ / 0-)
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        The cannabinoid drugs found in cannabis resins are some of the most therapeutic and least toxic substances known. Cannabinoids are not like alcohol, legal (Ambien) or illicit drugs like meth at all. Most medicinal cannabis users that suffer from chronic pain find significant relief with herbal cannabis and find that they can reduce the use of their other prescription pain medications when they use it. RMForbes.net

        My 84 year old mother suffers from fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis which did not respond well to the opioids her doctor prescribed. With the help of my sister she was able to find a high CBD and low THC strain of cannabis that effectively treated her chronic pain without getting her high. She was able to completely wean herself off the opioids and now just uses the cannabis. She has been able to return to her amazingly active lifestyle thanks to the analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties of cannabinoids.  

        Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

        by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 01:03:34 PM PDT

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    •  Your point is not well understood by the (3+ / 0-)

      prohibitionist crowd. Many people who have never used any psychoactive substances think that getting "high" is all the same. Whether you smoke pot, take ketamine, shoot heroin, smoke crack, you just stumble around in a stupor doing insane stuff. That's  the basis of the "gateway" theory. It's all the same. That's why ignorant people always are saying "I don't want to be on the highway where cannabis is legal." Even though the auto statistics show legal cannabis as reducing fatalities.

      Just think of the movie "Leaving Las Vegas." Now think of the Nicholas Cage character trying that with smoking pot. After a couple of days he's be crying about how much his throat hurt. After a week he'd be complaining how the stuff wasn't working. Actually, I'd like to see a parody movie about this, so if you are reading this Seth Rogan, it's all yours.

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:23:07 AM PDT

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  •  Don't imply marijuana is safe... (12+ / 0-)

    a 50 lb. bale could fall on you.

    The United States for All Americans

    by TakeSake on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:55:47 AM PDT

  •  Precription drug abuse causes heroin addiction. (4+ / 0-)

    People who get addicted to precribed pain killers need more and more pills to get the same effect every day.  They get harder and very costly to buy so people turn to heroin which is easier to get and pretty cheap.
    Thus Big Pharma, the pill pushers, are a big cause of drug addiction in this counry.
    "Greed is good."- Ronald Reagan

    We are not powerless!! "Activism is the rent I pay for living on this planet."– Alice Walker

    by nocynicism on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:59:23 AM PDT

  •  asdf (4+ / 0-)

    dirty hippies are getting so stoned they forget to die.

  •  The evidence of the positive effects (6+ / 0-)

    of marijuana has been around for decades.  I had a nice vicodin habit going until I started using medical marijuana for my nerve pain.  I have dropped the vicodin as well as both medications for blood pressure and reduced my blood sugar medications as well. Of course now that money is going to my favorite shop that uses local organic growers instead of to big pharmaceutical companies who don't care about side effects as long as they make money.

    Pharmaceutical companies really don't care so much about patients in the grand scheme of things, and I think addiction is a feature not a bug of the system. Big Pharma isn't the only barrier to legal pot. You can't discount the liquor industry, the tobacco industry, and the restaurants and bars. Stoners tend to stay home and smoke rather than go out and get drunk. We are a terrific demographic for Jack in the Box and Taco Bell, though, so maybe we should cultivate the fast food industry.

    •  a friend who was injured was able to smoke (4+ / 0-)

      instead of using his Oxy prescription. Because we live in a medical marijuana state.

      working for a world that works for everyone ...

      by USHomeopath on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:19:57 AM PDT

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    •  With respect (8+ / 0-)

      I don't think you had a "habit" but rather took a medication that worked until you found one that worked better.

      Because I deal with chronic pain I get uncomfortable when opiate users are lumped in with drug seekers. I don't jones for my tramadol, I just get in enough pain that I need it. I can go without it for a day without feeling withdrawal symptoms but I'm a pretty miserable momma because of the fibro.

      It sounds as if your pain was serious enough for you to need something stronger than an OTC pain med and have found relief with MMJ. I wish I could go to a clinic here in my state and get something that I could rely on rather than the hit or miss of the black market.

      Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

      by high uintas on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:21:15 AM PDT

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      •  I wish that mmj could replace (3+ / 0-)

        the opiates I take. They don't but they do help. When it's really bad I can smoke a little and it takes the edge off, enough that I'm not reaching for more Vicodin before I'm due.

        •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)

          It can work with them and help you to cut back a bit, but it's not a one to one replacement. Of course I don't live in a state that has MMJ so I can't speak for the effectiveness of better researched bud.

          Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. They lie through their teeth with their head up their behind. You open up their hearts and here's what you'll find - Some humans ain't human some people ain't kind. John Prine

          by high uintas on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:34:36 AM PDT

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        •  You might see better results if you ate it (2+ / 0-)
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          My mother eats a little of her homegrown bud with every meal and drinks a cup of herbal cannabis tea before bed to treat her chronic pain from fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis. She was able to wean herself completely of the regimen of prescription medications she had to take to control her pain and to reduce the side effects of the pain medications.  

          Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

          by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 01:13:00 PM PDT

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      •  Are there any compassion clubs (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        high uintas

        in your area? It's still a black market but more reliable in quality.

        It is not the private interests of the individual that create lasting fellowship among men, but rather the goals of humanity. ~ The I Ching, 13th Hexagram

        by Blue Intrigue on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:52:51 AM PDT

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      •  It's true (5+ / 0-)

        that I use vicodin for pain, but after using it daily for about 4 years, I went through withdrawal symptoms when i stopped taking it. So in a physical sense, it was "addiction".

        I think you're right, though, in that there's a difference between relying on opiates for pain management and using them for recreation, but your body doesn't care why you use them, it gets addicted the same.  That said, what I am concerned about is the way chronic pain sufferers are constantly treated as if they were drug seekers, and we have to prove over and over again that we are in pain.

        The flip side to this is that opiates aren't just addictive, the need for them increases as time goes by. Sometimes you can lose track of when and how many you've taken, especially if used in combination with other depressants, muscle relaxers, or anti-anxiety meds. That's how a lot of overdoses happen, not by taking too much of one med, but in mixing them with other drugs.

        That's part of the beauty of marijuana, it doesn't just treat pain. I use it as an antispasmodic, anti-anxiety, mood stabilizer as well. I'm currently in a battle with my doctor, who says I can increase my anti-depressant when I have anxiety, but I'm usually manic already and the last thing I need is more anti-depressants. Weed (especially indica dominant strains) pulls me out of the stratosphere and calms me down enough I can think.

    •  It's funny. I haven't gotten the "munchies" in (1+ / 0-)
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      years. When I was young I would go on an eating binge when I got stoned, but cannabis hasn't had that effect on me in years.

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:42:13 AM PDT

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  •  Imagine Rush high! (0+ / 0-)

    His entire show reduced to giggles.

    "Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The research has shown this a thousand times. Enough already." - Austan Goolsbee

    by anonevent on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:49:15 AM PDT

  •  But people are smoking pot (3+ / 0-)

    and going crazy and killing people.
      That's what I've heard from the police anyway.

    "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

    by gjohnsit on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:54:47 AM PDT

  •  this does surprise me. (0+ / 0-)

    I would not have thought that it would reduce the opiate deaths because many young persons are recreating themselves into addiction and death.

    Unfortunately, my kids have lost about a dozen friends/acquaintances in the last year.  

    Perhaps it saves the adults who only needed the pain relief in the first place.

    It does seem like most of the ODs are young addicted recreational opiate users.

    •  OK ... but "60% of overdoses" are (2+ / 0-)
      About 60 percent of all deaths from opioid overdoses happen in patients who have legitimate prescriptions, and the number of patients who are prescribed opioids for non-cancer pain has nearly doubled over the last decade.
      Now, why Cancer Pain should be especially privileged sort of escapes me, unless there's a hidden "you're gonna die anyway, so who cares" attitude.  (The flip side of that being, "Since I'm dying anyway, why not NOW ? In comfort. And with my mind intact. )

      "Pain changes people" my mother's anesthesiologist told me.  Her problem was not cancer, but spinal stenosis and intestinal blockages "attendant on" her bedbound condition due to congestive heart failure.

      There was a very bad couple of months, "at the end" ... in which the very understanding anesthesiologist could not, it seemed, bring himself to order Patient Controlled Analgesia ("the pump") nor Transdermal Electrical Neural Stimulation  ...

      Finally Mom was transferred to 'Comfort Care' where she received exactly the same drug (Dilaudid) in exactly the same dose (.5mg/hr) EXCEPT it was delivered as a constant drip rather than an every-4-hour injection.    "I'm comfortable" she said -- for the first time in months.

      Personally, I don't buy the Just-So Tales of how chronic pain patients 'accidentally' overdose, or polypharm themselves to death on drug combos they've been using for months or years.  

      I guess it's supposed to make the Family and Friends feel better and able to write more glowing eulogies about the Deceased's Courage and Fortitude ...

      But it fuels the ongoing Drug War rhetoric ... so that legislators and DEA bureaucrats impose  increasingly rigorous controls,  further restricting patients' access to pain medication.  Because: "Addicts !!!"

  •  Thank you for this! (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh, the logic. It burns!

  •  send in the military - can't have legal grass (4+ / 0-)

    the war on drugs needs more billions of dollars, more people in jail, more lives ruined, more governments destabilized which leads to immigration to US, ..

    the world will fall apart if the drug laws don't support the pharmaceutical companies

    prison guards won't have enough overtime to support their life style if prisons are emptier

    send military gear to those states who are

    you know

    the ones who are pointing the way to sane drug policies

    the first part of this is a snark

    but it isn't funny because of our totally stupid policies for decades and politicians "tough on crime" "Tough on drugs" allowed to spout BS and not deal with human issues

  •  Put that in your pipe and smoke it!! (4+ / 0-)

    Thanks XX. I live in WA and wish more states would follow through with complete legalization for recreational as well.
    Peace and Blessings!

    “When you victim-blame, be aware that in all likelihood, at least one woman you know and love silently decides she cannot trust you.” ` Steph Guthrie

    by Penny GC on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:41:21 AM PDT

  •  Mail-in campaign? (2+ / 0-)
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    So, random thought on marijuana still being on Schedule 1... A schedule I drug is defined as "a dangerous substance that has no recognized medical use and that has a high potential for abuse".

    That's actually a form of peaceful activism that could be done cheaply-ish. The DEA has a headquarters office, with an address, meaning that it's possible to send mail to it. There are a number of peer reviewed scholarly papers on MMJ, here's a link to around 100 of them. In theory, according to their own rules, they would have to reschedule as soon as they were formally made aware of recognized medical use.

    MMJ proponents could just pick a day/week in which the relevant papers are printed out and mailed to the DEA office, and get some press on it. After all, rescheduling from Sch1 just requires showing ANY recognized medical use.

    http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/... Interestingly recent studies seem to have inverted the trend.

    I am an electrical engineer, run a reasonably high traffic server, and build autopilots and drones for a living. If you have technical questions, ask away and I will try to give a cogent answer.

    by spiritplumber on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:41:53 AM PDT

    •  We need to focus first on disbanding the DEA (1+ / 0-)
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      completely. The DEA is a completely redundant and completely unnecessary federal agency and has been from the very beginning. They have been given way too much power in who and how cannabis is tested and the scheduling process. This is why the roadblock the DEA represents needs to be removed before we will see any real progress ending the federal prohibition against the cannabis genus of plants.  

      Nixon was wrong to create his failed war on drugs and in giving the DEA the power over drug testing and scheduling in the first place. Ending these mistakes are long overdue.  

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 01:37:49 PM PDT

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    •  As another plus, it could be a great boost (1+ / 0-)
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      to the USPS. Gotta prefund those decades of health care somehow.

  •  So much for the "gateway drug" theory. (3+ / 0-)
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    I live in a medical marijuana state (also in one where a number of municipalities, including our largest city have decriminalized recreational use and basically no longer bust "petty possession"--which, by the way, in my city is 2.5 oz which is a LOT more weed than I can usually afford to buy at one time!). I know lots of people who have prescriptions for it including some people I know very well. While this is only anecdotal evidence on my part, I know people taking it for anxiety, depression, to counteract appetite suppression caused by other medications or conditions, and chronic pain. Talking with my friends who use medical marijuana, most of them seem to have been able to come off other heavy duty meds or at least cut them down, and some of these meds (not just opioids but some psych meds). That HAS to be a better situation than what they had before, or at least they and their doctors seem to think so.

    Medical marijuana is not a panacea, but it sure does seem to be helping a lot of people.

    So not only is it reducing some scrip pharm abuse but it seems--at least for some people--to work BETTER than what they were taking before for the same conditions.

    Of course, the pharmaceutical companies are going to want to get on this bandwagon and take control of it. At least were I live, medical marijuana is a cottage industry though a large one.

    The sad part about all this is that some large corporation always has to have their hands in stuff like this. If you think pot is expensive now (I do) on the black market for recreational use, just wait until we have real legalization of both medical and rec use and you'll be spending 250 dollars for an eighth.

    That is NOT to say that I don't favor legalization and medical pot, because I DO. I just think it's going to come with a lot of strings that are going to seriously harsh our mellow.

    "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

    by commonmass on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 12:28:20 PM PDT

    •  In Colorado.. (2+ / 0-)
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      I can grow my own. Legally. That is a biggie. And don't let anyone tell it's difficult to grow. It isn't. Like tomato plants, they require attention. You should see my plants.

      Prices are plummeting, here. I'm seeing ozs advertised for $150.00.

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      by Cpqemp on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 02:15:24 PM PDT

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  •  Cannabis has a (3+ / 0-)
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    synergistic effect with opioids--a patient who uses cannabis require less opioids to achieve the same level of pain relief.

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    by happy camper on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 12:32:21 PM PDT

  •  Here is my take on medical mj (3+ / 0-)
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    I am for legalization, period.

    That said, medical mj is helpful in the way described because it allows people who have pain (physical or emotional) to self-medicate safely, as opposed to getting hooked on whatever narcotic/pain pill pharma is pushing.

    But we shouldn't conflate what is happening with magical healing properties.  Its not a miracle drug.  Its merely in some place a legal way to cope for some people.

    •  BINGO. (2+ / 0-)
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      Legalize it and people can do whatever they want with it.

    •  Actually, if cannabinoids were just discovered (1+ / 0-)
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      they would be called a miracle drug. The herbal cannabinoids found cannabis resins mimic the natural cannabinoids produced by our body's endocannabinoid system which regulates our metabolism, blood chemistry and immune system at the cellular level. This makes cannabinoids useful in treating over 250 ailments especially autoimmune and blood chemistry imbalances like diabetes.

      Cannabinoids like CBD, CBN, CBA and THC have well known medicinal properties including the ability to trigger programmed death of cancer cells (apoptosis). Even the federal government has patented these herbal cannabinoid drugs for their medicinal properties. Since cannabinoids have so many therapeutic properties while having much negative side effects I for one would call them a miracle drug.

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:39:47 PM PDT

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    •  Avoiding a third frozen shoulder sans pharma was (1+ / 0-)
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      a miracle for me.

      I won' t blather on anecdotally, let me just say Irish Moss and Cheeba Chews (how groovy can you get?) are 1000x better than Naproxen and Ibuprofen for my inflamed joints Heh. Bonus points for munchies instead of bloody stomach lining.

      Oops I blathered, darn you Swiss Tsu! Everything has a side affect, some are gooood. Others, I forget :-).

  •  Makes me wish we could post SNL clips... (0+ / 0-)

    "Another marijuana-related death."

    Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

    by FischFry on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 12:50:23 PM PDT

  •  We've been lied to for years. (2+ / 0-)
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    Lied to, fattened, and sheared.

    All this was already known. When pot is available, sales of the other drugs drop.

    Ever search the black market for weed? Availability is hit or miss. But the dealers don't close business if they are out of pot. They look for anything else to sell. Coke, meth, pain killers, booze, etc.

    Ironically, pot will be the drug filter, saving us from other drugs. Not the "gateway" claptrap that is still pushed today.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 02:02:22 PM PDT

    •  Oh... (0+ / 0-)

      Colorado is the bomb. People are great. Weather is wonderful. I have the best Lemon Skunk money can buy sitting in front of me. All legal.

      AND, prices are falling. I can get pre-rolled joint for $4.50.

      Vote with your feet.

      What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

      by Cpqemp on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 02:06:16 PM PDT

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  •  Conservative rural central IL counties have been (1+ / 0-)
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    falling all over themselves that last couple of weeks trying to land medical marijuana producers.  

  •  But you don't understand. It's POT!!! POT!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    How could you possible activate the use of POT?!?

    Don't you understand?!? We're talking about ENCOURAGING POT USE!!!

    Obviously prescription drugs are fine and necessary. How could you even compare them to POT?!?

    [This is basically the argument against. I honestly haven't ever seen anything more coherent than the above.]

    It turns out that the skill set required to get elected is completely different than the skill set required to effectively govern.

    by VictorLaszlo on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:37:37 PM PDT

    •  *possibly *advocate n/t (0+ / 0-)

      It turns out that the skill set required to get elected is completely different than the skill set required to effectively govern.

      by VictorLaszlo on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:38:09 PM PDT

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    •  No, it's not just about a slang term for the dried (1+ / 0-)
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      female flowers and leaves of some strains of the cannabis genus of plants. It's actually all about the many well known medicinal properties of the more than 80 cannabinoid drugs found in cannabis resins. I don't think anyone should smoke anything but smoking pot is not the only way to ingest cannabinoid drugs and enjoy their medicinal and euphoric effects.

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:47:14 PM PDT

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  •  They must die of other causes. (0+ / 0-)

    How about suicide by cop?
    If Michael Brown went berserk on pot and attacked a cop, surely other people do, too? Those can then not die any more of narcotics overdose.

    (snark)

    Freedom is not just a word. 'Freedom' is a noun.

    by intruder from Old Europe on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:39:00 PM PDT

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