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From rawstory(trigger warning):

Anita Sarkeesian, creator of an online video series analyzing problematic representations of women in video games, was forced to leave her home on Tuesday after death threats made online against herself and her family
Sexism is rampant in video games and moreso in online video gameplay ( racism as well) and her critques are well reasoned:
“When games casually use sexualized violence as a ham-fisted form of character development for the bad guys, it reinforces a popular misconception about gendered violence by framing it as something abnormal, as a cruelty committed only by the most transparently evil strangers,” she says in the video. “In reality, however, violence against women — and sexual violence, in particular — is a common everyday occurence, often perpetrated by ‘normal men,’ known and trusted by those targeted.”

This isn't the first time Sarkeesian has tussled with online gamer haters,  last year her videos were flagged on youtube and photoshop porn images of her were uploaded.
http://www.rawstory.com/...
In the most recent rawstory article she hints that this has been an ongoing case of cyber harrasment and that she wouldn't normally share the troubling stuff but for the posting of her and her parents address and threats to her family including children.
I do hope they find this or these assholes and prosecute to the fullesr extent possible.
I also hope video game companies start taking complaints seriously, I have heard and reported some unreal shit playing mmos online.

Originally posted to Drewid on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 08:57 PM PDT.

Also republished by Feminism, Pro-Feminism, Womanism: Feminist Issues, Ideas, & Activism.

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  •  Hmmmmm (7+ / 0-)
    Sexism is rampant in video games and moreso in online video gameplay
    Interesting, considering that more adult women play video games than teen boys.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:25:02 PM PDT

    •  Maybe now, and which games? (10+ / 0-)

      as the article suggests, will video game companies take notice?

      Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

      by Drewid on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:29:40 PM PDT

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      •  Re (9+ / 0-)

        The thing is that video games have exploded largely because of tablets and smartphones, so a lot of the people playing video games are very casual gamers.  I suspect that includes the bulk of new female gamers.  It's not a value judgment, just what I think I am seeing here.

        The big releases that people like Anita Sarkeesian review are very different from those casual games with very different audiences.  They're very heavily marketed toward young men and boys, though a lot of women certainly play them.

        The guys who display the sexism are really weird.  They seem to want to be isolated from women but get upset when they don't have women in their social circles to date.  That's some messed up stuff.  By trying to push women out of video gaming, they're doing nothing but harm themselves and other young men.  I really do not get it.

        •  Hence the which games. (7+ / 0-)

          I do know some very real women video game vs app game players though. Have for years. And they all have experienced sexism online and irl (a woman close to me worked for a game store, everyone assumed she didn't play).

          Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

          by Drewid on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:22:39 PM PDT

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          •  My favorite game is The Elder Scrolls (6+ / 0-)

            and the only reason I didn't play the dragon one was that my computer couldn't support it and I didn't have the cash to upgrade.

            I don't think the Elder Scrolls stories are anti-woman. My favorite character was a female Orc. Damn, but she could use a war axe!

            But I never wanted to play the shit like Grand Theft Auto, which I can well imagine is misogynistic.

            English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

            by Youffraita on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:03:21 AM PDT

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            •  Re (2+ / 0-)
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              Yeah, the world of Elder Scrolls is conspicuously sexually egalitarian, and that works well for it.  It's romantic fantasy, not dark realist fantasy (like Game of Thrones.)

            •  In Elder Scrolls Online.... (4+ / 0-)
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              ....it seems like half the players are women. I just spent an enjoyable hour with one (probably) female guildmate, beating the brains out of some obnoxious but well-equipped zombies on a desolate plain in Coldharbor. My main guild's founder is a woman, and she certainly doesn't tolerate anything questionable. I have no idea of the gender of quite a few people in the guild, and no real desire to know. They will show up one day playing a male character, and the next playing a female one. And I've never seen that anyone cares much. The motto of the series as a whole is "live another life, in another world," and the only person with the right to set the terms of that life is you.

              Like all American games, ESO is notably reluctant to go into issues of gender and sexuality in detail, but with each successive game in the Elder Scrolls series, they tiptoe a bit closer to reality. It's the first video game, for example, that I've seen that has a gay couple referring to each other as "husband" and "wife," and it even touches on the situation of trans people, albeit a shade indirectly.

              This is the landscape that we understand, -
              And till the principle of things takes root,
              How shall examples move us from our calm?

              (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

              by sagesource on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:56:26 AM PDT

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              •  Where? (3+ / 0-)
                and it even touches on the situation of trans people, albeit a shade indirectly.
                Big ES fan here, but I can't recall any mention or hint at trans people (though it's been a few months since I've been in Skyrim, and longer for Oblivion/Morrowind).  

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                I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape."

                by Avilyn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:53:12 PM PDT

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                •  The story of Murk-Watcher.... (4+ / 0-)

                  ....at the Dro-Dara plantation in Stormhaven. You have to be playing the Daggerfall Covenant faction in Elder Scrolls Online to do this quest, though there may be equivalent missions in the quest lines of the other two factions. It's not in Skyrim, but in Elder Scrolls Online. The following is the post I left on the ESO forums about it.

                  For those who have forgotten or skipped this quest, it is about the Argonian Murk-Watcher, one of the band of retired adventurers who tried to make a go of a settled and peaceful life at the Dro-Dara plantation, only to be driven away in the end. Her old companions are concerned that Murk-Watcher has been in a decline recently and "frequently seems confused as to where she is," as I think one of them puts it. When you speak with her in the middle of a flooded field, after releasing her and the others from the bandits, she tells you that she has realized that she is not an Argonian but a crocodile, and asks you to kill a large, old crocodile on the plantation so that she can eat its heart and become what she has always really been.

                  I expect a lot of people found this rather absurd, even funny. I didn't, and I suspect it was not written to be funny. Something was nagging at my mind when I saw the way Murk-Watcher was expressing herself; I recognized it from somewhere.

                  All my life, I have harbored a secret. It drove me to leave home and seek adventure, but now I must face my inner truth. That I am not an Argonian. I am a crocodile. This lifetime, I have borrowed the form of another, but my true form is calling me home.... My entire life, I have felt like a crocodile out of water. Literally. I am old now, and this body is dying. If I become a crocodile, I can start anew. Live the life I was supposed to live.

                  What became clear after a little thought was that Murk-Watcher's situation has been written as a close parallel to that of a trans person recognizing their true gender identity: All my life, I have harbored a secret...but now I must face my inner truth....I have borrowed the form of another, but my true form is calling me home....If I become a ......., I can....live the life I was supposed to live. One of my closest friends is trans, and we talked a great deal during the time that she was working through to an understanding of her own situation. That's whenI had heard all these themes first, of course not in the same words, but in the same spirit.

                  I don't know whether this parallel was intentional, unconscious, or accidental. But I am glad to see it there.

                  This is the landscape that we understand, -
                  And till the principle of things takes root,
                  How shall examples move us from our calm?

                  (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

                  by sagesource on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:51:52 PM PDT

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        •  It's a combination of male violence and (11+ / 0-)

          male entitlement to women's bodies.  See Laci Green's video on Eliott Rodgers for more on that.

          I'd guess many sexist gamers (and other sexists) have trouble reconciling their disdain for women with their libidinous desires for them and/or their desire to be loved.  The women they want do not reciprocate their feelings, so they nurture rage and bitterness against all women.

          This hostility spills over into their interactions with women, online and off.  Many if not most women will be put off and avoid them.  This reinforces their sense of being wronged, because the culture they live in (being U.S. culture as well as gamer culture) tells them that they are owed access to women's bodies and that violence is the way to get what they want.

          Counterproductive when it comes to actually meeting a compatible human being and forming a mutually loving and respectful relationship?  Absolutely.  But also disturbingly common.

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          by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:31:07 PM PDT

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          •  I've thought about this issue (7+ / 0-)

            way too much - and might write a diary about it some day. The reason is that I suspect I might have gone down that road, long ago. Fortunately, I didn't.

            Basically, I've never been very lucky in love; being rather shy and suffering from OCD will do that to you. However, whereas the sexists project resentment from their failure outwards, I turned it inward. That is, of course, a recipe for all sorts of nifty troubles, like depression, but it is also a chance for introspection and personal development.

            In my case, I realised that love cannot be guaranteed, demanded, or forced - and should not be, even if it were possible. The best I - or anyone - can do is to perfect themselves, treat others decently, and wait for things to click into place. As a result of this approach, even when things didn't work out, I maintained friendships or acquaintances with women subject to my attention. Not a bad result, I think. After all, if I considered them appealing enough to date, they are surely appealing enough to befriend...

            Anyway, just a personal rumination on the matter.

            Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

            by Dauphin on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:04:13 AM PDT

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            •  I was the same way (4+ / 0-)
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              Shy, introverted, "never could talk to girls", and so on.  Many others in our situation sadly become vindictive sexist pricks, and created a toxic worldview that explained why they "couldn't get girlfriends" (as opposed to "why am I not desirable as a boyfriend?")

              I'm embarrassed to admit I did the "nice guy" thing of trying to befriend girls I was interested in when I was younger, but the crucial difference is that I was genuinely happy to have their friendship.  There was some frustration in rejection of course, but never anger or hatred.  And some of those friendships I still happily have to this day.

            •  Many women react the same way -- (4+ / 0-)

              it's not just men who have social difficulties.  And I think a lot of women do turn the rejection inward as depression, or self-hatred.  Of course that's not great either, no matter your gender.  

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              by cai on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:02:10 PM PDT

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          •  That dynamic you're seeing (5+ / 0-)

            is best summed up by the old sexist joke: "Women, can't live with them, can't live without them".  It's that simultaneous disdain of women countered by desire, and it's utterly toxic to relationships and other interactions.

            When I was young, and first learned of the concept of misogyny, I was perplexed.  Why would men hate women when they also wanted to be with women?  It makes no sense.  But it's tragically common, and leads to so much violence against women.  That I also never understood growing up...why would anyone hurt someone they loved?  No man would beat up their own mother.  So why are so many okay with hitting their girlfriends and wives?

            Some men, when faced with these questions, retreat from the horribleness of it, wish it away, and pretend it isn't real, or that men also suffer 50-50.  Others (like myself) ask and listen to women about their experiences, try to understand why this happens, and be part of the solution rather than the problem.

            As for these losers in gaming culture in particular, you're absolutely right that they've created a self-fulfilling prophecy..."Women are such b!tches...ugh why won't any date me?" (maybe because women can read "misogynistic asshole without even the social skills to hide it" from a mile away?)

          •  Recent article (3+ / 0-)
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            In The Register, about the sort of things women in IT have to deal with at trade shows on a regular basis. It's not just the gaming world.

    •  girls and women are being more attracted (2+ / 0-)
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      to mobile games and facebook games. The Triple A titles you see selling for $60 are generally made for and marketed to young men. Anita Sarkeesian generally isn't attacked because she's a female. She's attacked because her videos start with a conclusion and she builds the evidence while ignoring the counter evidence. Rebuttal videos come out almost immediately after the release of her video showing all the ways she was wrong.

    •  Very true (4+ / 0-)
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      Too bad that hasn't changed how sexist video games largely are.

      Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

      by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:47:22 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think she's talking about bejeweled (1+ / 0-)
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      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:58:32 AM PDT

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    •  The article that you linked to (4+ / 0-)

      certainly seems to back up what the diarist is saying.

      I've got three tools in my arsenal: my voice, my wallet and my vote.

      by ExpatGirl on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:22:51 AM PDT

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      •  It's funny (2+ / 0-)
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        Given some of the other responses I got, and my replies, I find it interesting how simply posting a factual statement with a link, without comment, can be a Rorschach test of sorts regarding people's built in biases and assumptions.

        Fascinating & revealing.

        Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

        by Pi Li on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:07:15 AM PDT

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        •  Or (0+ / 0-)

          Alternatively, your history on this site as a contrarian precedes you.

          Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

          by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:01:43 AM PDT

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          •  As I said (0+ / 0-)

            It reveals people's built in biases and assumptions. I've never said a single thing on this site to indicate that I'd think sexism among video gamers is OK.

            Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

            by Pi Li on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:09:17 AM PDT

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            •  No you haven't (1+ / 0-)
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              And in case you didn't notice, I even agreed with the comment you made and rec'd it. However, you also have a history at this site of trying to poke holes into arguments. So you should be in no way surprised that people think you are trying to argue a point rather than agree with it.

              Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

              by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:13:49 AM PDT

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    •  So what? (0+ / 0-)

      What is the point of your comment?

      Are you suggesting that the sexist abuse the writer is experiencing isn't true?

      Are you suggesting that this issue isn't real?

      So what if more women and girls are playing such games? All that means is that one group of abusive male assholes is working overtime!

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:36:33 AM PDT

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      •  Um...what? (2+ / 0-)
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        Are you suggesting that the sexist abuse the writer is experiencing isn't true?

        Are you suggesting that this issue isn't real?

        I'm pointing out that women are playing more video games than boys because more women are playing video games than boys.  I found the statistic interesting, and given the diary topic, relevant.

        I made no judgement or drew any conclusions based on the information at all (though you certainly did). I offered a fact, and a link. I didn't characterise the type of game women are playing, nor conclude that because they are playing there's not sexism going on. And I certainly didn't say anything remotely like because more women are playing games that "the issue isn't real". Of course there's sexism going on in video gaming. Who would deny that? So given that there's sexism there, I think it's interesting and relevant that more women are playing games.

        What an odd little comment from you.  

        Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

        by Pi Li on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:03:56 AM PDT

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        •  Well I thought your comment was odd... (0+ / 0-)

          ....and kinda non-sequitir...

          The few women I know who play computer-based games don't play "First-Person Shooter" games, they play non-violent non-aggro games like Candy Crush...

          "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

          by leftykook on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 06:42:29 AM PDT

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    •  you mean like tetra and angry birds? (0+ / 0-)

      i don't believe women are into Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty anymore than they watch pro wrestling- but perhaps you can prove me wrong/

      •  Did I say otherwise? (1+ / 0-)
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        Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

        by Pi Li on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:04:28 AM PDT

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      •  OK. You're wrong. Female gamer here (8+ / 0-)

        Who also grew up watching and loving pro-wrestling (NWA/WCW preferred over WWF, but we watched them all).

        I don't play GTA, but I backed the kickstarter for the new Carmageddeon.  I don't touch mobile/tablet games; and play turn based strat like XCom EU/EW and Civ; RPGs like Elder Scrolls, Neverwinter Nights, Dragon Age, and Kingdoms of Amalur; and FPS like Duke & ROTT.

        I never play online games or MMOs becuase I don't want to put up with the sort of shit that known female gamers are subjected to.  I will play multi-player LAN games with friends (both male and female) because there is a level of respect there.

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        I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape."

        by Avilyn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:07:54 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah I'm also tired of hearing about the (3+ / 0-)
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          "women only play mobile games" trope.  Triple-A games like the ones you listed have huge female fan bases, and then there's the Mass Effect series which I've always suspected might be close to 50% in terms of women playing.  Bioware (the company that makes the series) has always seemed aware of their female players and has tried much better than most in the gaming field to appeal to them as well as men.  There's also the recent Saints Row games which are brazen in rejecting gender roles (unlike every GTA game ever made), and if this column is any indication, are actually well-received by female players.

          Sure the CoD/Battlefield hordes are overwhelmingly men, but some people seem to think those are the only games out there.

          •  Damn right (3+ / 0-)
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            I freaking adore Mass Effect (especially the first game), and am a huge fan of BioWare's Star Wars mmo.

            I think the reason there are more women playing games than teenage boys is because there are more female adults than there are teenage boys. Fact is, we were always playing video games. I and my sister and my mom all loved Atari and later Nintendo. And we weren't alone. Many of my fellow female students in junior high and high school played video games. So, of course, we grew up and continued to play them as adults. My mom is nearing 60 and still plays video games. And my male friends never thought it was weird that I love video games.

            It was only until maybe the past decade or so that I started seeing a lot more guys make the joke that "girls don't play video games."

            Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

            by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:30:23 PM PDT

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          •  Honestly, (2+ / 0-)
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            Can't say one way or the other about Mass Effect - I'm not hugely into space/sci-fi games (I'm a bit concerned about the new Civ game coming out for that reason), but otherwise, yeah, I never understood where the whole 'women only play mobile games/are casual gamers' thing came from.  I know more guys that play mobile games than women.   And as a woman who spends a decent amount of her entertainment budge on games, games/companies that don't have a playable female character or that go out of their way to objectify women (like GTA) don't get any of my money.  Maybe eventually they'll learn.

            Miss Aji? She blogs here now.
            I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape."

            by Avilyn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:43:42 PM PDT

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      •  Umm (5+ / 0-)
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        I'm a woman, and I like Call of Duty.

        Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

        by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:02:23 AM PDT

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  •  She's also a video game fan. Quite clearly. (13+ / 0-)

    I haven't been following her work, but I saw one or two of the early videos in the series.  They're absolutely astounding for those of us who do not play such games.  And only someone who plays a lot of video games could put the videos together.

    I particularly remember her taking on the trope of using dead women as instant-motivation for male players in the gameplay, and the variations -- like the, "You have to kill me to save me" variation, and the guy who thenceforth literally had his dead wife's arm or something.  

    As Lewis's Law states, the comments on any article about feminism proves the need for feminism.  In this case, the rage-filled violent threats she faces for simply pointing out patterns of misogyny prove the need for her work.

    I hope the perpetrator is quickly arrested.  Too often police seem baffled by online threats, or don't consider them real, but women who write under their own names know all too well how disgusting, specific, and terrifying the threats can become.

    Stay safe, stay brave, Ms. Sarkeesian.

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    by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:02:48 PM PDT

    •  The idea of there are no (9+ / 0-)

      women gamers is mistaken, I speak from personal experience beimg handed my ass quite a few times by friends and family alike, for years.
      I have to say (and may have more to), the level of outright sexism (and racism) in online gaming is disturbing. By not adressing and in fact down right dismissing it by game companies is bad. Kids play these games, they should not get the idea it is okay. Let alone the actual games.

      Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

      by Drewid on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:13:19 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, absolutely women are gamers. (10+ / 0-)

        I'm not, but that's partly that it's just not my thing.

        Would it be my thing if games didn't routinely use the torture, rape, and murder of women as set dressing and character motivation for the male protagonist?  If they didn't "update" old games by writing out female playable characters?  If so many of them didn't seem to be largely about how many corpses a player can rack up?

        I probably still wouldn't be.  But we don't know.

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        by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:19:18 PM PDT

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      •  P.S. -- I pointed out that she was a fan not (8+ / 0-)

        because the existence of female fans was news to me, but because people have tried to write her off as not really a gamer, an outsider feminist messing on their turf, etc.

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        by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:35:04 PM PDT

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        •  I found it pretty (4+ / 0-)
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          obvious she has played some games.  Her critisizosm
          critisizim is quite valid.

          Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

          by Drewid on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:43:21 PM PDT

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        •  actually she's said outloud that she's not a gamer (0+ / 0-)

          https://www.youtube.com/...

          kind of hard to mince those words.

          •  Yup, she's a scam/BS artist (1+ / 0-)
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            It's pretty unfortunate that so many people have taken her seriously. She lies about herself to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars on "research", takes/steals (i.e. without permission) clips from people who upload it to public places, and then produces a few videos making rather old and tired points of a few games' possibilities to veer off course and, for example, kill the girls in a sex traffic ring instead of saving them as the mission designated. Then disables criticism and cries victim when people try to expose her for scamming a ton of people and producing basic BS.

            It's too bad that there are plenty of idiots (and violent psychopaths, whoever this Kevin Dobson is who should probably be arrested) who take it to the next level and in some way validates someone who should have no place public discourse with extremely vulgar statements or even threats. But I suppose threats of violence isn't limited to Anita Sarkeesian, but to plenty of lightning rods of public criticism as well ( i.e https://www.youtube.com/... ). (say, Anyone remember what happened to the Duke and King in Huckleberry Finn?!)

            Oh well, divide and conquer by pitting the genders against each other, and let the Koch Brothers of the world win, amirite?!

      •  I'm a woman who would continue (6+ / 0-)

        to be a gamer, if only I had a machine up to the level of the games I prefer to play.

        But I have zero interest in massive multiplayer online games. I started in the Olden Days of Pong, and moved on to the Sierra games like King's Quest.

        So when I found The Elder Scrolls, it was what I'd been dreaming of since college: a Dungeons and Dragons type game you could play against the machine with great graphics. AND choose your own character. AND explore the world with absolutely no restrictions.

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        by Youffraita on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:17:10 AM PDT

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          look of old sierra games like kings quest or space quest... added bonus is that they almost always have strong female leads. They're no Elder Scrolls but for a lesser powered computer they might be enjoyable.

          •  There are some great HO games out there. (1+ / 0-)
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            Whenever I am sick in bed/desperately in need of checking-out for awhile, I hop over to BigFishGames to see what is being recced.

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            by ExpatGirl on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:07:21 AM PDT

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        •  The old Sierra games were awesome. (5+ / 0-)

          The Gabriel Knight series was the absolute best!

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          by ExpatGirl on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:29:58 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, the old Sierra games WERE awesome, (4+ / 0-)
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            and I miss them. But oh, you should play one of the Elder Scrolls games.

            It's everything I ever wanted from a computer version of D and D, and then some.

            Wow.

            And my female Orc might not be a very good negotiator, but boy-howdy can she swing a war axe! And carry a lot of loot.

            Wow, but I do miss the ability to play that game. This machine just ain't up to it.

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            by Youffraita on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:43:45 AM PDT

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            •  I'll give it a go! Thx. (3+ / 0-)
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              I adore gaming - but definitely NOT the violent garbage my son plays at friend's houses!

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              by ExpatGirl on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:57:39 AM PDT

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              •  Elder Scrolls is amazing (4+ / 0-)
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                Skyrim is my favorite of the series. It's just an incredible, immersive experience.

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                by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:12:18 AM PDT

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              •  elder scrolls is violent. (2+ / 0-)
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                just be sure that you don't take an arrow to the knee

                •  Heh (1+ / 0-)
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                  That meme even ended up in World of Warcraft.

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                  by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:24:47 AM PDT

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                •  There is fictional violence in a fantasy world (2+ / 0-)
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                  and the all too realistic stuff my 14 year old plays with friends. Not in the same league.

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                  by ExpatGirl on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:31:26 AM PDT

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                  •  Very true (2+ / 0-)
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                    None of the violence in the Elder Scrolls games looks real at all. Not that I even know what fighting a dragon would look like in real life. lol

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                    by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:58:53 AM PDT

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                    •  It's realistic enough.... (3+ / 0-)
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                      But it's socially realistic, too. That is, you meet a few people, especially young men, who think that war is great or glorious (generally these don't have any real experience with it, either). And then you meet others, again and again, who tell you just what it means. A number of the characters won't even talk about their battlefield experiences; as one I just ran into in Elder Scrolls Online remarked, war is like being in the demon's world (in a plane of Oblivion, for those who know the jargon): if you've haven't been there, you'll never know what it's like, and if you have, you won't want to remember it. In Skyrim you find that some of the beggars you run into are old soldiers, discarded ruthlessly when they became wounded or ill, living in sewers or hovels and sometimes driven insane by their memories: "They gave me a medal. It had someone's face on it. I threw it away. It didn't help." There's the somewhat saner veteran who you meet in Windhelm who tells you, and anyone else he meets, that "There's no glory in war. They just tell that to young people to get them to sign up"; and the short quest in Solitude where an old lady asks you to find out what became of her soldier daughter, and you end up having to tell her that her daughter won't be coming home; and the battlemage in Dawnstar so horrified by her memories of the Great War against the elves three decades ago that she's sworn never to set foot on a battlefield again. And so on.

                      In other words, it's quite realistic, at least as far as a video game can be. There are a few people who think that war is an adventure, and a great many more who will tell you that it's a nightmare.

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                      And till the principle of things takes root,
                      How shall examples move us from our calm?

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                      by sagesource on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:29:36 AM PDT

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                      •  Oh yes (2+ / 0-)
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                        How they all react to the violence is actually quite realistic, astoundingly realistic for a video game. I was just referring to the actual fighting in the game. None of that stuff is particularly realistic. I mean, in what universe would a bear be more difficult to fight than a dragon? lol

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                        by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:35:30 AM PDT

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                        •  Scaling does some odd things. (2+ / 0-)
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                          Wait until you meet the level 40+ skeevers (a sort of large rat) in Elder Scrolls Online. I'd much rather fight a demon, thank you.

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                          And till the principle of things takes root,
                          How shall examples move us from our calm?

                          (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

                          by sagesource on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:46:39 AM PDT

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            •  As an aside - you can still get King's Quest (2+ / 0-)
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              check out gog.com - they carry King's Quest along with a lot of other older games, DRM free.  

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              by Avilyn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:07:54 PM PDT

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        •  post specs and we might be able to give (0+ / 0-)

          better recommendations.

          cpu model
          gpu model
          ram amount

        •  Have you ever considered playing some of the (1+ / 0-)
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          old school massively multiplayer games such as (my favorite), Aardwolf?  Oh, and as for what kind of system you need it's not much as the graphics are limited to ASCII graphics (think Nethack style graphics) for the map.  Here is a link of what it looks like with their client and here is what it looks like without a special client.  Of course, I strongly recommend at least having ANSI/VT100 support on whatever you use.  Oh yeah, and the input is all text based, as in "attack/kill spider" to start combat.

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          by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:07:15 AM PDT

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        •  GTA Online <3 <3 <3 my only mmo ever (0+ / 0-)

          I did play The Old Republic for an hour tho.

          LOL

          what a waste of BioWare's talents smfh

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          by TheHalfrican on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:27:34 AM PDT

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  •  Here is the latest video. (6+ / 0-)

    As she warns, it contains graphic violence against women.

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    by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:06:31 PM PDT

    •  P.S. -- and gruesome corpses... n/t (6+ / 0-)

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      by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:09:35 PM PDT

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    •  Great quotation. (7+ / 0-)
      I explained that in the game of patriarchy, women are not the opposing team.

      They're actually the ball.

      No wonder the sexists hate her.

      (Also, this sums up a great deal of the problems I had with movies as a kid.)

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      by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:44:27 PM PDT

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      •  Also this one: (7+ / 0-)
        The truth is that these games do not expose some kind of gritty reality of women's lives, or sexual trauma, but instead, sanitize violence against women and make it comfortable consumable.

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        by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:02:17 PM PDT

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        •  See, these are NOT the types of games (3+ / 0-)
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          women like me choose to play. (I would hope that very few women choose to play them.)

          Don't ask me what I think of the kind of man who would play a game like this. I don't need any HRs.

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          by Youffraita on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:22:38 AM PDT

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      •  it's pretty clear that SOME of these games.... (6+ / 0-)

        .... are pandering to sociopathy and overt psychopathy (the former is a psychiatric diagnosis, the latter is a law enforcement category, explanations on request though i'm at work at this hour and have to keep it brief).

        So there's a chicken-and-egg problem here:

        Some of these games are attracting sociopaths and psychopaths who otherwise would never meet each other, and thereby encouraging the formation of subcultures where these attitudes and behaviors are normalized.

        Some of these games may also be fomenting sociopathy and psychopathy in individuals who are not otherwise predisposed but who are vulnerable to being affected in those ways.

        What's needed is some serious and objective research to see what's going on here.  

        And, these companies ought to be called out for the effects they are having on the culture.  Even if they're not producing legions of new felons, the "mere" effect of producing new subcultures that normalize sociopathy and psychopathy is enough to demand that they put the brakes on.

        There are plenty of ways to create engaging games and make money selling them, without resort to turning women into splatter-props and making sadistic violence out to be cool and acceptable.

        GOTV as if your life depends on it, because somebody's life does.

        by G2geek on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04:59 PM PDT

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        •  There's also a great quote near the end where (5+ / 0-)

          she talks about all the incredible things that are just accepted in video games and/or fantasy worlds, but how a world without violence and exploitation of women is just too extreme to be believable.

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          by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:09:42 PM PDT

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        •  I understand cai's concern, (7+ / 0-)

          and as a woman, I share it.

          But...but...

          Y'know, I'm old enough to remember when  OMG, OMG, OMG, R-rated movies! Destroying our yutes!

          And I'm well-read enough to remember when OMG, OMG, OMG, comics! Destroying our yutes!

          And the 1980s: OMG, OMG, OMG, Dungeons and Dragons! Turning all our yutes into Satanists!

          So, I gotta say: our yutes ain't much stupider than they were in the 1950s, when the Comics Code was established. Or the 1980s, when Armageddon didn't happen.

          Movies rated R b/c of sex, btw, are far easier on the eye than GP rated movies with torture, death, and firepower.

          The United States' priorities are Fucked Up.

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          by Youffraita on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:33:09 AM PDT

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  •  If you read the Twitter threats he makes -- (5+ / 0-)
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    which are theoretically edited, in that some portions are blacked out -- what's especially creepy is how threats of violence are interspersed with claims he loves her.  Probably because those just make the violent threats even more frightening.

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    by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:25:26 PM PDT

    •  Clearly disturbing. (3+ / 0-)
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      Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

      by Drewid on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:29:09 PM PDT

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    •  i'd differ with your "because." (5+ / 0-)
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      What you said was: "...because those just make the violent threats even more frightening."

      I would argue the "because" is "because the perps' heads are so screwed up that they don't know one from the other."

      If they've been feeding on a diet of sexualized violence and violentized sexuality, they may not have any idea of what healthy sexuality is.  This is also a formula for domestic abuse and potentially for multiple-murder events.

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      by G2geek on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:08:01 PM PDT

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      •  Perhaps, but I wouldn't rule out intentional (4+ / 0-)
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        creepiness, either.  If the guy was just doing the creepy, "I love you, I want you to be mine" (to a woman he does not know), then I might believe it was unconscious.  Interspersing that with comments about murder and hot pokers in intimate places?  I hope he knows that's creeptastic.  (And illegal.)

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        by cai on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:12:48 PM PDT

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        •  he might be an overt sexual sadist. (3+ / 0-)
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          He might be getting Boehners from this kind of thing and be wholly oblivious to the fact that it creeps people the hell out.

          OTOH there's probably someone out there with a sexual fetish for planting bombs on buses.

          The kid obviously needs a psychiatrist, but a visit from a couple of FBI agents with a long list of questions will do.

          ---- below is something I posted a day or two ago, about pandemic sociopathy in the culture, that I think is relevant to cases of this kind ----

          Two of the defining characteristics of autistics are a relative inability to lie, and a degree of social ineptitude.

          The psychiatric condition that is most common among the 1% is "antisocial personality disorder," or "sociopathy," which affects up to 10% of males in our culture and is over-represented in occupations that are concerned with power, such as politics and senior management.

          Two of the defining characteristics of sociopaths are pathological lying without guilt, and a high level of social "charm."  These characteristics enable sociopaths to be expert manipulators of other people.

          If the social characteristics of autism and Asperger's become common in the culture, a) lying will become a more significant transgression of cultural norms than it is now, and b) "charm" won't work as well as it does now.

          That situation puts sociopaths at a relative disadvantage: one of their tactics is rejected and another of their tactics becomes less effective.

          That creates an incentive for sociopaths to further stigmatize autism and Asperger's, and make a bigger to-do about them.  Thereby creating a diversion of attention from the sociopaths' own manipulative behaviors.  This doesn't entail any kind of conspiracy, merely the convergence of self-interest among sociopaths.

          And that, I believe, is the "covert culture war" in America today:  sociopaths seeking to protect their own privileges by using autism spectrum disorders as a distraction to keep attention off their own behaviors.

          Sociopathy, and narcissism which is its natural ally, are the biggest psychiatric pandemics in our culture today.  Think of the Neocons, Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, the Wall Street fraudsters, Tom Delay, etc. etc. the list goes on.

          GOTV as if your life depends on it, because somebody's life does.

          by G2geek on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:06:25 AM PDT

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        •  and one more thing... (8+ / 0-)

          NEVER
          NEVER
          NEVER allow your name to be published in conjunction with your physical address.

          Use a private mailbox service as the address for all of your mail and as your legal address.

          Your physical address is where you keep your soft squishy body while you're out wandering around dreamland at night.  

          NObody other than family & trusted friends should know or be able to find out from any kind of records search where you sleep.  

          It's possible to be absolutely airtight about this stuff if you want to.  I helped send a violent stalker to prison years ago and have had my address confidentialized since that time.  Nobody has been able to find it.  And this also has the salutary effect of making it easier to go after other badguys without fear of retaliation.  When I was doing OSINT against domestic terrorist groups a few years ago, I was very happy to know that they couldn't find me.  

          We need serious new laws to deal with physical address confidentiality, and I could go on for hours about that topic.  Bottom line is, peoples' physical addresses should be "born secret" and not subject to any kind of public records search.  That includes deeds to houses and so on.

          GOTV as if your life depends on it, because somebody's life does.

          by G2geek on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:14:45 AM PDT

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          •  It is possible but extremely difficult as unless (2+ / 0-)
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            you are using a burner smart phone with the GPS chip physically disabled/destroyed for your internet access your ISP will have your real address and a stalker could simply get your home address from them.  And don't think TOR will always help as there are ways to get around that (for example, many sites require javascript yet it is possible to bypass TOR and get your real IP address using javascript).

            So in summary, use a burner smart phone with tethering and the GPS chip physically destroyed/removed for your internet access and use something like TOR or you can be tracked.

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            by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:20:16 AM PDT

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            •  if your name is on your utility bills etc. (2+ / 0-)
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              Not just internet:  Electric & gas and landline.

              But those can and should be protected with passwords.

              If a stalker gets your physical address from a utility company where the information is password-protected, that is one hell of a negligence lawsuit waiting to happen.  So in my experience, utility companies are very careful to ask for that password before saying anything.  However this is also an area that the law will have to deal with more thoroughly.

              I don't have a cellphone (personal tracking device).

              My road navigation system is a Panasonic device that receives GPS signals from satellites but does not have any kind of transmit capability.  

              Re. TOR and related, these issues are being dealt with and that's all I can say about that for now.

              There's another potential threat-vector, which is "connected vehicles."  My current truck does not have any GPS or microphones or transmitting devices, and I have ways of dealing with any such threats in any subsequent vehicle.

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              by G2geek on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:50:24 AM PDT

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              •  Well depending on who you are dealing with (1+ / 0-)
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                that might not be enough as that information can be obtained from utility companies through hacking, burglary, or even brute force.  After all, how many internet/utility company employees are willing to die (as in, "give us these addresses or we will kill you and then go after your family") to keep your information safe?

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                by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:21:56 AM PDT

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                •  yes, and then the Feds get involved bigtime. (0+ / 0-)

                  An instance of hacking a regulated utility is immediately a big deal for the feds, as in, potential terrorist activity and will be investigated thoroughly.  Burglary of a utility office ditto, and it would be caught on camera, and unless the guy was in a full nuke suit there would also be transfer evidence.  A utility worker subjected to extortion, ditto, and they will report those.

                  The high risk scenario is a utility worker who is susceptible to bribes.  "Hey buddy, I'm trying to track down a guy who stiffed me on a $5,000 debt, how'd you like $1000 to help me collect it?"  I don't have a good answer to that other than the fact that the utility workers who are accessible to the general public (e.g. power & telco outside plant aka "linemen") are unionized and well-paid, and part of an industry culture that is very straight-arrow.   So in all likelihood they would turn it down and probably report it as well.  And, it could be company security testing them, which is an additional incentive to turn it down & report it.

                  There is potentially a way to deal with all of the utility stuff by using only numerics to identify utility accounts, so there is no connection to person-names.  But landline phones and GPS on cellphones are both vulnerabilities unless a victim is willing to change their phone numbers after an incident occurs.

                  Bottom line is, stalkers are permanently dangerous persons in a manner analogous to pedophiles, so life without parole is an appropriate sentence.  Stalkers may be obsessive-compulsive and there are medications for treating OCD.  So just as we might parole a pedo who agrees to take meds that switch off his sex drive ("chemical castration"), we might also parole a stalker who agrees to take meds for OCD, as long as there is a way of monitoring their compliance.

                  But there are people who do not have the stalker personality, who may not be OCD, but may engage in stalking as an element of another crime.  For example a drug cartel wants to track down a former member who blew the whistle on them.  

                  So we're back to life sentences for any stalking-related crimes, and deterrent-strength sentences (ten years would seem to be about right) for "accessories" such as corrupt employees.  That or victims being willing to defend themselves by using deadly force when they know who the stalker is and catch him (it's almost always "him") lurking around where he shouldn't be.  Personally I'd rather not have to shoot someone, so staying hidden works for me.

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                  by G2geek on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:50:34 AM PDT

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                  •  Well the people I was thinking of are domestic (1+ / 0-)
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                    terrorist groups some of which might not have a problem with losing one or two guys (who would presumably be expected to kill themselves right there in the building before the police show up) in order to get your information.

                    After all, when someone has a gun to your head (or your kid's head) it is kind of hard to be considered an accessory for cooperating, especially if someone else has already been killed right in front of you.

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                    by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:48:03 AM PDT

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                    •  OK, that's an interesting scenario. (0+ / 0-)

                      Given the nature of the current crop of domestic terrs, yes that's a feasible scenario depending on who their intended target is.  

                      I'll have to think about this more and see what comes to mind.  

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                      by G2geek on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:15:49 PM PDT

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  •  Just listen... (0+ / 0-)

    ...sometime to the shit that pours forth from the mouths of "gamers" while they're playing if you want to know what's going on in their brains.To be in the same room and to witness the vehemence is really frightening in and of itself.
    Much scarier than what's depicted in the visuals...

    •  Nicely stereotyped, sir/madam... (1+ / 0-)
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      Perhaps next you'll enlighten us on the horrible things the XXXXX say when they're doing YYYYY (fill in the group and activity that you please).

      There is no such thing as a "gamer." There is a person who enjoys playing X game, and the X can be anything from The Path or Kentucky Route Zero to Postal (an obsessively sociopathic game, in case you haven't run into it).

      And there is no such thing as a "video game." See the range detailed above.

      Or perhaps it is better to say that both terms are so broad that they are useless generalizations. Rather like telling us the XXXXX, horrible people, YYYYY all the time.

      This is the landscape that we understand, -
      And till the principle of things takes root,
      How shall examples move us from our calm?

      (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

      by sagesource on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:43:12 AM PDT

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      •  I tried to educate in my comment below. (1+ / 0-)
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        Hopefully it helps them.

      •  Obviously... (0+ / 0-)

        ...my mistake was not including the word "some" before "gamers" and apparently "gamers" is some kind of bad word and I'm terribly sorry for using bad words around such sensitives. You know exactly what I'm referring to in my post and you ain't gonna game me into using the language or to  stereotype. No prude, I, and if it matters at all, I'm male.
         I stand by my observation that the shit I've heard in the same room where (the subject at hand, call it what you want) is taking place can be worse than what's depicted on screen. That's all...

  •  I was disgusted to hear this, and Sarkeesian (1+ / 0-)
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    brings up some excellent points.

    I am a gamer nerd. As are all my friends (male and female) and my girlfriend.

    As Anita says in her opening, paraphrasing: "One can be critical of media and still enjoy it."

    It's gotten better. Same with movies. But there is still a lot of work that needs to be done. In general, the most occurring issue is the double standard in sexualization. A lot of work still needs to be done in that area.

    I love games, but I'm the number one critic of this double standard shit. Even in games I adore for so many other reasons.

    Now that my comment on the content of the article is completed, let me enlighten the people here who don't understand gaming with a basic overview of the types of people who play video games:

    Gamer Nerd/Geeks: This gender category is equally comprised of men and women of all walks of life for who video games are a huge part of their life. We play a variety of games. I could split this category up further to go into subdivisions, but for the purposes of this comment, they can be grouped together.

    Casual Gamers: This category used to be heavily male, but as it became more "OK" for women in our society to play them, it's become increasingly female. These people play stuff like flash games, Wii games, party games, and other stuff like that exclusively. They won't touch a deep RPG or strategy game, and aren't really interested in the more violent games. This includes stuff like bored adults at work and parents.

    They don't play games a lot, they just do it occasionally.

    Teenage/Frat Gamers: This category is slightly less male, but still heavily so, and rather sexist. But they aren't real gamers. They'll play in their youth, and not always, and then give it up. It's almost exclusively action games and maybe some Flavor of the Month games (Minecraft, Skyrim, but they'll skip all the dialogue).

    They either turn into Casual Gamers after leaving high school/college or focus back on Football or whatever else non-gamers are into.

    Bro Gamers: The most sexist, always misogynistic and homophobic, sometimes racist, shithole category of gamers. These people are as dedicated as true gamers, spending a lion's share of their life playing games, but they'll play almost exclusively first-person shooters and action games, sometimes MMOs that don't require a lot of thinking or Flavor of the Month games as long as they aren't too complex. They are the ones (along with Teenage/Frat gamers) screaming all that shit in some random X-Box live game or in the general chat of a popular MMO.

    There are a small number of female Bro Gamers, but unless they are joining a female-only clan, I don't know how they put up with the shit.

    If I could put up my life savings on a bet, I would bet it is mostly these people who are harassing Sarkeesian.

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    Obviously the subdivisions are a lot more complex, but I hope this simple overview helps the gamer-ignorant understand a little more about categories of gamers.

    For those of you who want a video example of your average Bro Gamer or Frat Gamer, here is VGCats:
    BroGamers

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    Honestly, I feel passionate enough about this issue that I've considered blogging about it, and going over individual games and pointing out the good and bad. This just makes me want to do it more.

  •  Adam Baldwin, aka Jayne from Firefly, (1+ / 0-)
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    got involved in this fight.

    On the wrong side.

    I'm so disappoint.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:17:14 PM PDT

    •  Yeah that was very sad :( (1+ / 0-)
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      He was so great in that show. But I thought he was acting. I had no idea he was just playing himself.

      Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

      by moviemeister76 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:10:09 PM PDT

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  •  I've been watching her series on YouTube today, (2+ / 0-)
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    and I'm almost finished - so far she's been right on point.

    This isn't some gaming ignorant person talking about stuff she doesn't know about, she clearly likes games.

    Everything she's hit has been right on target. Praising Mass Effect 2 for the female character while slamming the advertising was right on the money. When I saw those fucking commercials (same thing for Saints Row 4), I'm like "Why are they always showing a guy? You can play as a woman."

    There are decidedly sexist elements in a lot of great games. You can enjoy the game and still call out the shit that pops up because of it.

    She is nothing but fair in all of her analysis. Most of what she's said is stuff I've thought in my head (the bow thing, the M.E. advertising, those fucking stupid strip clubs and shit like that).

    The only people complaining about this are non-gaming sexists who hate all feminists and just want to jump on this, bro-gamers, and likely a few people who should know better who might have had their favorite game legitimately criticized.

    She's been right on the money.

  •  Yep, absolutely. (0+ / 0-)

    Video Games, Misogyny, and Terrorism: A Guide to Assholes

    There's something rotten deep within gaming culture.  Andrew thinks it's time we cut it out.
    Also see

    Pharyngula: A cautionary tale

    Kotaku points to a couple of fascinating essays: one by Dan Golding on the End of Gamers, and the other by Leigh Alexander, saying gamers are over. They’re making similar points: not that gaming is in decline, or that all gamers are horrible people, but that the behavior of unchecked hooligans on the internet has so thoroughly fouled their identity that reasonable people are abandoning the tribe. Calling yourself a gamer has acquired the cachet of identifying as a white supremacist — it stinks.
    The articles and posts linked above present the case for upending and overhauling gaming culture far more lucidly than anything I could have said here myself.

    FOX News: For entertainment purposes only. Not to be confused with actual news broadcasting.

    by IowaBiologist on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:27:02 AM PDT

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