So...the comment started like this: "Sometimes liberals can be very obnoxious and this causes people to hate liberalism."
Besides the numerous obvious fallacies in this ridiculous statement - fallacies I didn't even bother to address, I'll just treat you to my response. Perhaps you will find it useful when addressing delusional "conservatives" who expect that calling us names will scare us into silence. Breaking: It's 2014, not 1994.
Oh boo-hoo, about "obnoxious liberals". Get used to it. It's about damned time the Left spoke up and spoke out. I'm sick of having to be "nice" while the Right has been able to spew all manner of vile bullshit from their rotten lips for decades. Fuck that.
Yes, we're the NEW LEFT. We get shit DONE and yes, you're going to find us to be "obnoxious", guaranteed.
We're not scared about "turning people off to liberalism". In fact, we're not scared of much of anything these days. We're going to tell the truth. We're not going to back down. It's going to feel like hell. You'll deal with it. Or your won't. We don't care.
This charge of "obnoxiousness" is just another way to try to get the Left to STFU. After all, who wants to be called obnoxious? Understand, the right has successfully used this tactic of using our own values against us for decades. "You're so intolerant" they'll say when we refuse to abide homophobia. "You're a reverse-racist" they'll say when trying to seek cover for their own racist attitudes. And now, "You're obnoxious" because we call them what they are without reservation.
We will continue to hammer you and to tell the world exactly what's going on; what your agenda is for us and for this country. Call it "obnoxious" if you want. We don't care.
By the way, anyone irresponsible enough to make a policy decision or assessment of policies based on how "nice" or "not nice" someone is - frankly, is PART of the problem in this country. You can get the fuck out now with that nonsense. We've had enough such abject ignorance.
See here's something to think about: when someone suggests to someone else that they should "be nice", honestly, it's usually an attempt to get them to STFU. When white folks urge blacks to "be nice" they want us to STFU. When men urge women to "be nice" they want us to STFU. When christians urge atheists to "be nice" they are really trying to get us to STFU. When straight people tell gays to "be nice" they really want them to STFU. When conservatives tell liberals to "be nice" they want us to STFU.
All of these ascendant groups have been accused of being "obnoxious" or "not nice" or "too vocal" or "angry" at some point - all in an attempt to get them to STFU. The dominant group always has a history of urging an ascendent group to "be nice" as a way to get them to STFU and to try hold on to their position of power. Conservatism has enjoyed 40 years of political domination in the USA. It's over now. We will not STFU.
See here's the thing. A lot of us are PISSED that tens of thousands of people are going to die THIS YEAR, needlessly, because 23 state legislatures refused to expand medicaid for working Americans.
We're PISSED that voting rights are being systemically dismantled all over the country; That it's harder to cast a vote than to buy a motherfucking gun.
We're PISSED that hungry families are being told there's no money to help them feed their families when we can find millions of dollars to give away in "aid" to countries halfway around the world at the drop of a hat and we can find nearly a trillion to spend on the military THIS YEAR alone.
We're PISSED that an armed band of seditious terrorists have abused their constitutional protections in an attempt to thwart the authority of the Unite States government and that by contrast, a group of unarmed peaceful sit-in protesters ended up like this:
We're PISSED that a compromised SCOTUS thinks democracy would be SO MUCH BETTER if anyone in the world with money (and an interest) could contribute to our elections undisturbed.
We're PISSED that free and open access to the internet is under attack.
Some of us are just goddamned PISSED that the entire country and the majority of working people in it are being systematically destroyed while ignorant fucks like you talk about how "obnoxious liberals turn a lot of people off liberalism".
We are NOT shutting the fuck up. Deal with it.
UPDATED: Here's an awesome drawing that as created by Kossack
Ask's son. These donkeys look like they are taking NO shit. ;)