ME:
Jan 25th, 8:35pm
I'm not so desperate to blindly throw my support behind a group of occupiers who, instead of fighting for the common citizen, are essentially land thieves. I don't know whether or not you feel pressured by your own members to support these guys or not, but you should know yourself that if neither is a good choice, you DON'T have to choose one or the other. You yourself had split away from the Oath Keepers, because you felt them to be not genuine in standing for the rights of all US citizens. I have a better idea: how about instead of supporting the refuge occupiers, who we've established are more concerned about their [themselves], how about we support the people of Flint, Michigan like the Michigan Militia is currently doing. If the people of Michigan rose up tomorrow against their neglectful and greedy government I'd definitely support them, because last I checked, poisoned water effects everyone regardless of who they are. Better yet, how about we do something about the corrupt law enforcement [justice system] violating the rights and ruining the lives of both the poor and minorities of this country. In fact, on February 4th, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) will be formally signed into agreement, so let's do something about that since that will definitely negatively effect [affect] everyone who isn't a wealthy business official. Maybe you don't want to do any of that, okay... so let's at least help the people of Burns, Oregon. With the occupiers attracting all of the attention from such an economically depressed area, I'm pretty sure they're not getting the help they needed to begin with. Then again, I think the townspeople are sick of seeing new faces these days, so maybe that wouldn't be such a good idea. I'm very aware about the serial rights abuses; so aware that I'm down for any fight against serial rights abuses that actually effect the general public's fair and equal opportunity to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those take a higher priority over a turf war that won't even benefit it's [its] local community. It's a distraction from much more important issues that are far more deserving of an armed response. I think those 50 better men would agree with me, since one of those guys would be me when the time comes. (If 2016 goes to go the way I expect it will, and it's not pretty.) Want to knock it down to 48 by become [becoming] one of them, or are you going to continue following those thieves?
*Last I checked, the Michigan Militia were passing out water bottles to the people of Flint. For the people of Michigan rising up and me supporting them, I’d help only if they requested it; remember, part of the problem with the Oregon standoff is that none were really invited by the people of Burns. Meanwhile, an armed response may not necessarily be needed for a situation, but if it did happen depending on how much it deserved one, how it was decided to be carried it out, and to what end, there’s a chance I wouldn’t mind. Lastly, that last sentence is more of an “I’m game if you are” type statement, since I thought it was funny he wasn’t including himself. I’ll discuss what I meant about 2016 after this conversation.
ANDREWS:
Jan 26th, 5:19pm
You make some incredibly naive statements. I always support freedom, the truth, and always oppose oppression and government abuse. You make a lot of false assumptions about men you have never even met, I would stop doing that if I were you.
*This was when he started getting explicitly catty and defensive with me. Also he was telling me to meet people who I wasn’t sure if he met or not himself, again. This was when I started to get ticked off, but I felt I mostly kept my composure.
ME:
Jan 26th, 9:57pm
Speaking of which, you still didn't tell me whether or not you've been over at the refuge to meet with the occupiers yourself. As for naivety, you really shouldn't be throwing stones from your glass house over there. Fighting for freedom, truth, and against oppression, doesn't mean ignoring red flags and devoting yourself to mediocre options. You have to think things through, otherwise you'll end up letting yourself be easily manipulated and you screw over everyone and everything you've been fighting for. (Which reminds me: the meme for December 30, 2015 makes it seem as if people who are happy about federal agents not being able to enforce federal gun laws in Wyoming are the bad guys, since King Theoden at the time was under mind control by the evil forces in league with Sauron... but I digress.) Seriously, what do you think is going to happen if these guys succeed? The refuge gets turned over from the hands of the fed to the state, and then what? How is any of it going to significantly contribute to somehow solving the much larger violations of rights that are plaguing this country? Be honest with me.
*They seem like legitimate questions, don’t they?
ANDREWS:
Jan 27th, 11:37am
School is now in.
1. Wealth and prosperity can only be generated and sustained through 3 activities, mining, farming, and manufacturing. When the Feds take land from the states, the wealth and opportunities for wealth are lessened for the citizens of that state.
2. Federal gun laws are illegal, (read the constitution). Federal power is LIMITED, by this contract between the States called the U.S. Constitution.
3. Our politicians need to follow the laws and respect our rights, period.
4. You seem unable to recognize that Federal abuse of ranchers is no different than local police abuse of Tamir Rice. It is the same thing, comply or die, rather than the preferred option of communication and due process.
*He starts spewing mind-numbing talking points in an attempt to “school me”; plus, he totally ignores all of my questions. I finally decided to get real with him.
ME:
Jan 27th, 6:49pm
I'm not going to even debate you on any of those 4 "lessons" you gave me. You keep talking down at me, despite respecting you like a thinking adult. You keep pushing me away, despite my warnings, advice, and attempts to share common ground. How do you expect that shared meme posted on January 7 at 1:01am on your Facebook page to come true, if even YOU - a leader - refuses to show respect and any concern to consider common sense for good reason? You seem very adamant trying NOT to answer some simple questions. Your "school" answers nothing about what I asked you. In fact, nearly every time you ignored what I said and tried to switch the subject. I've been denying it to myself, but now I'm starting to think you're not really genuine. I think, as with the occupiers at the refuge claiming to be "standing for the Hammonds' rights," the YETI's are hiding behind the bodies of unarmed and nonviolent victims of police brutality to further your own agenda; you don't really care about them do you? Yeah, I'm starting to think the YETI's are nothing but a branch on the same old Oath Keeper tree you supposedly left, still taking marching orders from your old pal Stewart Rhodes. You come off more like a mindless stooge than an actual leader, and in case you didn't know: for any REAL effective change to happen in this country, it needs REAL leaders. Go ahead and call these "crazy assumptions," or call me a "bootlicking pro-LEO socialist/fascist/communist/anarchist simpleton," or whatever, because your disrespect and dishonesty has worn me thin.
*I said some of those things partially out of suspicion and partially to get his goat.
ANDREWS:
If any of your bogus assumptions had a thread of truth, someone might care. As it is, it appears your lies are only fancied by you. We stand for all people and their God given rights, you can do as you wish.
*Would’ve like to know where he thought I lied, but I knew this wasn’t going to go anywhere.
ME:
Jan 27th, 11:32pm
As I figure you will do with your own lies you tell yourself and try to pass on to others. Hope you don't get hurt too much from your own foolish ignorance.
*With that final statement I blocked him.
If it’s one thing I have to admit about Stewart Rhodes, is that he is correct about Sam’s aversion to constructive criticism.
Now a short as possible explanation about my parenthetical statement about my expectations for 2016:
Looking back on the last entry related to the YETI’s, I can guess that some of you who read this are probably thinking that you already knew establishing any relation with the YETI’s would fail. (Or maybe even hoped it would fail because you felt a mutual agreement would’ve tainted something, I don’t know.) Well I at least tried to reach out. Could it have been successful if more made an effort? I wouldn’t know. Either way, if you also read the four-entry series of Terrible Revelations We MUST Face Now (yes I know I’m talking about it again, but it’s better than repeating the entire subject matter. Here, if you want to catch up: Terrible Revelations We MUST Face Now, 2, 3, 4,) you’ll notice that the country is still in a spot of trouble. As far as I know, the TPP is still going to be signed in February, (there is also a TTIP but I’m not as familiar with that one,) and we still have some real major turd burglars running for president. Maybe shortly after I publish this entry, the scandal involving the Japanese negotiator receiving bribes will cause Obama and other leaders to consider NOT signing the deal. Maybe even if Trump gets nominated as the Republican to run for president, he gets soundly beaten in the general election. In the name of all that is good I hope it goes that way, but reality has a nasty way of kicking you in the sensitive naughty bits, and sometimes you can see it coming miles away. Now, because Sam Andrews can’t tell the difference between a revolutionary for the common people and an outright thief, any form of a strong and unified resistance against the increasingly tangible dark days has still not materialized. The odds don’t seem so good, and if they sour the way I expect they will, voting and protesting is certainly not going to be enough to get us out of the coming troubles. I so hope I’m wrong.