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So I tuned into Morning Joe this morning (why, I still don't know) and Joe was on there ranting and raving and slamming the WH and the Dept. of Agriculture for firing Mrs. Sherrod based on Breibart's video. He was concerned about the WH firing Mrs. Sherrod based on an Internet video on a blog. He also went on to try to claim that FOX "News" was an innocent party because they didn't start playing the video on a loop live on air until AFTER she was fired.

Now, let's stop and think about that for a minute. The WH allegedly used a video posted on a RWing blog that frequently supplies such videos to FAUX which are then played on a loop over and over again until eventually someone "resigns." As Rachel Maddow pointed out last night, that happens regularly.

FAUX playing illegitimate, misleading, and outright LYING videos over and over again is what they do. Honestly, I'm willing to say that most if not ALL of those nontroversies would have gone away quietly in the night if OTHER "news" organizations like MSNBC and CNN and ABC and CBS didn't pick up the misleading reporting and run it in their own loops. Contrary to popular opinion, MOST of the country (probably like 80% or more in a non-professional guess) NEVER watches FAUX in the first place. And I'm willing to bet that a lot of the people who DO watch it only watch it for entertainment value (maybe they like having high blood pressure?) or to see what the latest crazy RWing paranoia is.

The problem here is that MOST of the misleading/down right lying reporting done on FAUX is sooooooo easily debunked it's not even funny. All you have to do is GOOGLE most of the time.

But I digress, why is FAUX not an innocent party in the smearing of Mrs. Sherrod? Because we KNOW how they operate. They HAD the video, you know Breitbart gave it to them maybe even before he posted it on his own website (this is a baseless claim that I feel comfortable making). The Tea Party's racism had been a hot topic because of the NAACP's resolution and then that guy Williams' subsequent overtly racist letter in response. So we all KNOW that the media (sadly, not just the conservative media) was looking for something to do a false equivalency with that. In fact, didn't Breitbart admit that the only reason he posted the video was because of the NAACP's resolution?

So, I can understand why the WH-- or whomever-- wanted to get in front of the story before it got out of control. That's not FEAR, that's just recognizing how FAUX and the media in general operates.

I love watching people like Joe who were right there crucifying Mrs. Sherrod on Tuesday morning being so "concerned" about how quickly she was fired. They are outraged, (outraged I tell you!) that the WH didn't watch the entire video before firing her. But I ask, how many journalists really asked to see the entire video before running with the story on Tuesday morning and showing that same edited clip over and over (I think I remember seeing it at least twice on Morning Joe within 30 minutes on Tuesday before I had to leave for work) and talking about how bad ALL racists are (which is true).

I don't think the WH was "scared" I think they were being overly cautious because they've seen how people in the so-called "liberal" press have been treating them since the damn election. They aren't STUPID. This time they may have jumped the shark, but if the full video had never been released, if Mrs. Sherrod had never stood up for herself, if those White farmers had never come out and praised her, how much do you want to bet people like Joe Scaroborugh and the rest of his idiot panel would have been talking about how politically smart it was to get out in front of the story?

Last night, I watched Keith's Special Comment, and I was so happy to hear him point the blame right where it needed to go-- at the media-- including MSNBC. The people who were so eager to have the latest race story to try to paint Obama as some sort of racist (or as weak and afraid to discuss race) that THEY didn't do their own due diligence to check out the legitimacy of the claims against Mrs. Sherrod.

I also caught Rachel's show which blew me away. Her first segment was just first class journalism, and then she came back later with clips showing the progression of FAUX from "outrage" over the comments to trying to look innocent in the aftermath. It had me wondering if maybe FAUX had FINALLY jumped the damn shark. But no, I turn on that SAME station (MSNBC) the next morning and see Morning Blowhard defending FOX as if they don't have a HISTORY of releasing videos like the one Breitbart posted and smearing good people in this administration. How quickly people forget the Michelle Obama "whitey" tape (that never surfaced, but I bet is still being used as a smear against her), or the nontroversy when Michelle made her "for the first time ever I'm proud of my country" remarks. One didn't exist, the other was taken completely out of context, but FAUX still played them over and over again to rile up their ignorant audience.

See the clips of Rachel's show here:

First segment:

Segment on FAUX trying to play us like we're idiots:

TRANSCRIPT of ENTIRE SHOW HERE

As Rachel pointed out in the first video FAUX is currently running with the Black Panthers story, something FAUX is STILL running with even though anyone who can GOOGLE knows that the story is utter bullshit.

This is what the Administration was anticipating when it made its decision, it didn't know weakness, it just showed too much caution. To try to absolve FOX of any responsibility is just disingenuous.

I could go on, but I feel like I've said enough for now. I may update with more, but this entire situation is pissing me off. FAUX does this shit all the time and, as Rachel points out, one can't help but wonder when the hell everyone else will stop following their lead because they are leading them right off of a cliff.

Oh, and while the other "journalists" out there are trying to paint the Obama Administration as "scared" of the "Conservative media" (this was a recurring theme in yesterday's presser), I have to wonder why THEY don't do their own damn jobs and fact check before they run with FAUX's stories. Are they scared? Why doesn't anyone want to take on FAUX outside of Keith, Ed, and Rachel? It's not just money because there is a market out there for telling the truth and debunking their BS, just look at the Daily Show. If anyone's "scared" I'd say it was them. If THEY did their jobs like they are supposed to, the Administration wouldn't have to worry about misleading internet videos.

Also, check out this bloc post "They're All Fox News". It's almost like groundhog day (the movie).

Originally posted to Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:33 AM PDT.

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    by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:33:19 AM PDT

  •  Thank you so much for writing this Muzikal (57+ / 0-)

    I can no longer slam Morning Joe for his foolishness when I participate in a site which had a replica of his same argument posted on the front page, and greeted approvingly by people who just as reflexively pan this administration for things real and imagined.

    How is DailyKos much better than Morning Joe at this point?

    But I agree so much with your argument; neither the WH nor the NAACP are scared or cowardly.  They were LIED to.  Defamation is actionable for a reason; that being that harm is caused when credible people take action based upon the lies of malicious people.  That anyone would spin this story to give the WH and the NAACP a black eye shows me that they are no political allies of mine, period.

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    by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:38:35 AM PDT

    •  second that entirely (28+ / 0-)

      the blogosphere ha it's share of the blame as well

      "....while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." Eugene V. Debs

      by soothsayer99 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:41:32 AM PDT

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    •  Look, there was no need for them to have acted (33+ / 0-)

      with that kind of hysterical alarm.  Whoever made the decision to hound this woman in her car when she was driving in to work based on a 24 year old video DID freak out, and they shouldn't have.

      Could well be that those decisions were made at a very low level by someone in Ag who just lost their shit.  I am certain that had anyone with any seniority in the WH been involved, it would not ahve gone with way.

      Still, I'm not going to give the admin a total pass on this.  They were lied to, sure.  But they knew the source of the lies.  Knowing that alone is grounds to proceed with caution.  They didn't.  That was a big mistake.

      "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

      by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:42:57 AM PDT

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      •  You're right here (26+ / 0-)

        Whoever made the decision to hound this woman in her car when she was driving in to work based on a 24 year old video DID freak out, and they shouldn't have.

        Now THAT was just unnecessary. Nor am I giving a total pass, I think they were wrong to do what they did, but I understand why they did. My issue is with people who try to act like they had absolutely NO reason to react the way they did when history shows how lies get somehow believed as "truth" by the time the media gets through with it.

        I think in this situation it's a lesson learned. The 24 news hour is kicking a lot of asses these days which means the more stories you can kill before they "blow up" the better.

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        by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:45:24 AM PDT

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        •  I'd like to see Vilsack resign. What a putz! nt (5+ / 0-)
          •  Disagree. He owned up to his mistake, admitted (23+ / 0-)

            he jumped the gun, sincerely apologized, offered her a new opportunity.  And I think you have to consider the possible reason for the immediate reaction, the sensitivity to discrimination as they deal with billions of dollars in lawsuits in that dept. stemming from decades of shabby treatment and legitimate grievances.  And from everything I read Vilsack is working hard to right the wrongs, clean up the huge mess left for him and instill new equitable and improved policies.

            •  Agreed (15+ / 0-)

              He helped to get that landmark settlement in place for black farmers and is laboring to rid that agency of the filth which was responsible for black farmers being cheated in the first place.

              The only issue I have with him pertains to his connections with the biotechnology industry, but even biotech is debatable amongst Dems.

              I don't think that anyone: Vilsack, Sherrod, even Van Jones, should be fired as a result of media sensationalism.

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              by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:42:10 AM PDT

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            •  I would not want to (0+ / 0-)

              go back and work for Vilsack, how uncomfortable would that be?

            •  Public sector management basics (5+ / 0-)

              Anyone who has been a public sector manager for any length of time has had to react quickly to a credible accusation that could have scandalous implications.  There is an accepted protocol for this - put the accused on some sort of leave with pay immediately, and immediately task a credible investigator to get to the bottom of it in the shortest reasonable time frame.  Deal with it quickly, honestly, and as transparently as is consistent with personnel laws and rules.  It's management 101, and Vilsack didn't do that.  It's the "dog that didn't bark."

            •  Very much agree, dotster (6+ / 0-)

              If you can get hold of the text of that speech Vilsack made, I don't think you can fault a single thing in it. It was among the most honest and forthright apologies I've ever heard. What was done was done, he didn't flinch from admitting just exactly how unjust and stupid it was, and I honestly don't know what more he could have done to make amends.

              •  What is an "amend?" (0+ / 0-)

                Is Vilsack going to lose any pay or sleep over this? Standing up and saying "I'm sorry" is pretty fucking easy when you've done something no administrator of average competence would have done.

                An amend should pinch. Maybe he should spend a weekend painting her garage or something.

                It also begs the question, "What other stupid lapses in judgment has this guy made that we don't know about?" How bad will his next one be?

                •  An "amend" is a change to put something right (0+ / 0-)

                  The dictionary is your friend. It's even online.

                  I don't know if Vilsack is going to lose any sleep over this. Neither do you.

                  Saying "I'm sorry" is pretty fucking hard when you're the boss and have to take responsibility for your team's fuckups. And yeah, maybe his boss should be wondering what other stupid lapses in judgement he's committed, or allowed to be committed by his team. I'm not his boss, so I don't give a fuck.

                  Amends are completely about putting things right for the person injured, not making sure some creep gets his jollies seeing the person who did it get nailed in some way. Justice doesn't always demand a hanging.  Some bad things can't be put right, ever, but doing the best you can in spite of that is honorable, and should be acknowledged. I'm not going to defend Vilsack any further than that. All I said was, he didn't try to blame subordinates, took total responsibility for it, apologized in about as open and honest a fashion as I've ever seen anyone -- especially anyone in government -- do it, and offered her her job back. I don't know that I could have done better in his place -- short of not making a completely stupid mistake like that in the first place, which I definitely would not have done.

                  •  "Putting things right for the person injured..." (0+ / 0-)

                    as long as it doesn't cost you anything.
                    Nixon said he was sorry. He was expert at "taking responsibility," but not the blame.

                    It's true Vilsie didn't commit a crime, but try a sincere apology in a courtroom when you're charged with, say, driving to endanger.

                    It was a stupid, stupid thing to do. Christ, evenn cops who shoot unarmed kids get paid leave while the charges are investigated!

          •  Nobody should resign. FOX news should be (16+ / 0-)

            attacked, and attacked repeatedly and overwhelmingly, from the White House (Gibbs) for every damn lie they tell, and it seems they tell a few every day. Maybe a "what lies they're telling now" statement every single day.

            As someone else pointed out, FOX viewers are more committed Republicans than any other group. Why not attack them? We'll lose votes?

            We need to force the rest of our "news" organizations to treat FOX like the propaganda outlet it is, instead of pretending it's part of the Fellowship of Journalists.

            Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

            by Jim P on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:52:01 AM PDT

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            •  "Fox news is not a news organization. " (1+ / 0-)
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              I thought the Obama Admin knew that.

              They did say that. Didn't they.

              How about if they stop treating Fuc news as a news organization.

              They have fired good people and destroyed  an organization that actually helps people over Fuc News lies.

              How about that.  

              Is it to much to ask of them to do as they say.

              "Fox News is not a News Organization"

              I could care less about Fuc news.

              What I do care about is the Presidents Administration acting like Fuc News little bitches.

              It's like some guy smacking your girl in the bar and you getting mad at your girl for getting smacked instead of confronting the guy who smacked your girl.

              It's called being a pussy.

              "Bush Peed all over the place and they act like Obama is the one pulling up his zipper." - Wanda Sykes.

              by SharksBreath on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:30:42 AM PDT

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          •  Why Do You Want Him to Go? (6+ / 0-)

            We want good, honest people in office. Not people who never make mistakes.

            We can, of course, still demand that Vilsack go. But he apologised for and is making amends for what he did. I doubt we can find a replacement that would try to fix things in the way he did. Even Sharrod has accepted the apologies, and I think we should let it go at that.

        •  The video wasn't 24 years old (1+ / 0-)
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          It was filmed in March of this year.

          The incident Ms. Sherrod was talking about happened 24 years ago.  Before she was with the USDA.

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          by marigold on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:06:12 AM PDT

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        •  What lesson? They let Van Jones swing in the (0+ / 0-)

          wind.  Who is next?  When will the President push back?  I am talking about the President now, not the underling staff.

      •  Sensationalist media environments lead to these (38+ / 0-)

        results.  It's that simple.  And hell to the naw I'm not participating in the right's efforts to spin this story, "balance" it out with a slam on the WH and NAACP.  

        I'm going to repeat what I said in another thread:

        This site is fucking ridiculous and IMO there are people here who are no better than FixedNews!

        Vilsack was tricked, plain and simple. Rather than allowing the right to take responsibility for their complete and utter fuck up, people want to balance it out by taking a baseball bat to this administration.

        Vilsack is trying to clean out practices which resulted in black farmers getting the short end of the stick for years and years out of his agency.  The Obama administration just provided a major settlement to those farmers in recompense.  Vilsack thus has a "zero tolerance" policy for any specter of race-based considerations.  When FixedNews disseminated their lies and defamation, his only mistake was to not understand that this "news" station is a malicious and hateful source of anti-black propaganda and racial conspiracy theories.

        For people to sit here and slam this man is a fucking disgrace.

        He shouldn't have fired Sherrod; he for damn sure owed her an apology, yet he is not the malicious actor here.  Neither is the NAACP, snookered as well, yet setting the record straight within days.

        For crying out loud.

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        by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:48:21 AM PDT

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        •  Sherrod is on The View right now. And it seems (28+ / 0-)

          that the matter they were most interested in was Shirley's relating that "the WH" wanted her to resign.  Most people still seem most anxious to bring all of this to the conclusion that it was all Obama's fault.  Even people who should know better.  Joy asked if she thought the "WH" meant President Obama?  Shirley said she didn't know.  And Elizabeth jumped in to say "who else would it mean?", of course it's President Obama etc.  Joy said she didn't think that was necessarily so.  And then Elizabeth thought she had a real gotcha moment for Shirley, showing the end of her speech where she talked about all the idiotic (my word) hullabaloo over health care.  And Elizabeth said this was newly controversial because Shirley was again injecting race, by rightly pointing out the tea party nonsensical opposition to health care.  Shirley said she was not talking black and white but poor peoples' right to healthcare.  I will say that the audience is very much on Shirley's side and applauded when the incompetence and complete negligence on the issues affecting middle class and poor people by the Bush admin. was mentioned, compared to those interests reflected in the Obama admin.  But again I wish that The View ladies had more knowledge of all the details before they try to discuss a topic.  Many stupid/clueless questions/comments ensued.  

          •  Every story is spun so that POTUS (29+ / 0-)

            is front and center.  Not surprised to see that Elizabeth's ultra right wing self was so interested in making sure that the WH took some blame.  The right does this over and over and over and over again, and people just fall for it.

            will say that the audience is very much on Shirley's side and applauded when the incompetence and complete negligence on the issues affecting middle class and poor people by the Bush admin. was mentioned, compared to those interests reflected in the Obama admin.

            Most non-sensationalized people are not stupid; I'm not surprised to read this.  Calm recitation of fact usually leads to this type of result.

            It's so funny how little mention there is to why there is a zero tolerance policy for race-based decision-making at that agency in the first place.  Black farmers got screwed, the Obama administration has made amends and Vilsack is trying to clean that agency out of people who want to continue to screw over black farmers.  Instead, this incident is used to try to discredit black people as reverse racists.

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            by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:41:15 AM PDT

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            •  Six Degrees of Separation (7+ / 0-)

              I have written an unpublished diary about this very thing. I call the extraordinary effort which is put forth to blame President Obama for everything  by many on Kos and nearly all the media, "The Six Degrees of Blame Obama"

              No matter how tenuous the connection, too many people and all of the media, including MSNBC have made it their goal in life to blame the President. It is both dangerous and silly at the same time.

              ~*-:¦:-jennybravo-:¦:-*~

              by jennybravo on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:55:57 AM PDT

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              •  This is so utterly true! (6+ / 0-)

                Perfectly stated.  And I resent it so much because you know as well as I know that people of color are not always represented fairly in the media, a chronic problem which long predates POTUS.  Yet rather than challenging that, people want to declare that this represents some failure of POTUS for not using his magic wand to erase institutional, unconscious racism.  I mean, come on.  We did not elect God; this is a talented man with some very good employees who fuck up just like everyone else but who are not even close to as malicious as people like the character who defamed Sherrod.  Why on earth would anyone participate in a deflection???

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                by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:39:51 PM PDT

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        •  If Vilsack had a brain (1+ / 0-)
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          he would have required at least a transcript to read what she said. Instead, he panicked like a frightened little puppy dog.

          He probably can't even order a drip coffee at Starbucks without going nuts.

          •  wtf (13+ / 0-)

            you are buying into this ridiculous Dems as cowards narrative.  He is trying to clean up years and years of abusive people at that agency who showed race-based preferences for certain farmers over others.  His zero tolerance policy extended to people of color as well as whites.  He is very aggressive with this policy of attempting to right a wrong, see the landmark settlement he and Holder arranged for black farmers.

            This guy is not close to perfect by any means, and I agree, that reaction to media sensation is simply a horrible idea.  But let's not get too ridiculous here.  Everyone should calm down and look at all of the facts and the entire picture.

            Multiple people made mistakes: NAACP, Vilsack, the traditional media.  However, one entity has shown itself to be malicious and worthy of a character attack: Fox"News" with their tribalism and racial propaganda.

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            by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:05:42 AM PDT

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        •  Well, I hope I'm not participating in (4+ / 0-)
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          anyone's efforts to let Fox and Breitbart off the hook.  They are malicious liars.

          But Vilsack and his subordinates acted like idiots.  Fine.  They have a "no tolerance" policy.  It is still simply fundamental to executing any kind of non-discrimination policy that you first make sure you have the facts.  

          They didn't.  And it does look like someone panicked.  Was it Vilsack?  I don't know.  Probably.  It also looks like the subordinate Cheryl Cook added her own level of Type A panic into the mix in the way she carried out her duties.  

          The whole thing is a mess.  And I'm sorry, but I cannot let Vilsack off the hook entirely.  I mean, come on.  It's Andrew Breitbart & Faux Noise.  Fool me once, shame on me . . . .  

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          by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:15:18 AM PDT

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      •  And I have to add (30+ / 0-)

        Part of the problem is this nonsense notion of "reverse racism."  Is this borne out by facts and figures or is this another sensationalist media invention?  For all of the outrage and angst by those who NEVER have a good word for this administration and always labor to put their disdain for President Obama specifically front and center of every news story, how many of these "concerned" people so into the career plight of black women even took one second to ask why this ridiculous "reverse racism" story was taken as credible in the first place?

        How often does this really happen that black people have the power authority and inclination to completely fuck over white people and do so on the regular?  As Ms. Sherrod explained, yes, there can be feelings of resentment but she, like IMO 99% of black people do not take them into any professional setting and are very disinclined when dealing with real human beings to try to screw them over on general racial principle.  Of course this is not the discussion being had; it's slam Dems all day every damn day on this site.

        Sorry for my rants, as I consider you much more fairminded than the "POTUS sucks!" cohort, but the reportage of this story has been just piss-poor both within the traditional media and on this site.  Just horrible reportage, vacant and devoid of substance for the most part.

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        by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:54:04 AM PDT

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        •  A very fine rant GN, imo. I almost didn't come (25+ / 0-)

          back to this site today because of all the BS the last two days and the hypocrisy here had finally filled me to the brim.

        •  reverse racism (16+ / 0-)

          I am in complete agreement with your frustration with that concept. It makes my head swim when I hear that nonsensical projected term. That term implies the oppressed have an opportunity to oppress the oppressers. Up is down, black is white, I'm a racist so you are too....incredible projection

          you're gonna get what you give

          by chicagobleu on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:45:01 AM PDT

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        •  I think when most folks (16+ / 0-)

          say things like that they really mean prejudice.  And they equate prejudice and racism.  We know they aren't the same thing but that they are rooted in the same thing.  Certainly Sherrod, in her story, related her prejudice in the situation with the farmer.  And what she did with that farmer is set aside her prejudgements and dealt with him as a human being.  Would that we all could do that.

          "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

          by newfie on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:05:21 AM PDT

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          •  Well said (9+ / 0-)

            set aside her prejudgements and dealt with him as a human being

            And my point is that IMO the vast, vast, vast majority of black professionals do just that.  It pisses me off that there's such suggestion otherwise, which is an undertone in this story.

            If I had to offer any suggestions to Mr. Vilsack:
            --sensationalized media reports cannot be a basis for action, no matter that the WH is going to take a hit; the WH is going to take a hit anyway every time the traditional media chooses to repeat a right wing hit job and sets up a damned if ya do, damned if ya don't
            --look upon any suggestions of "reverse racism" with skepticism; black people do not "hate" white people and the vast majority of human beings do not seek to hurt harm and settle scores with strangers, period

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            by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:15:43 AM PDT

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        •  The idea of "reverse racism" is just DUMB (2+ / 0-)
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          the reverse of racism is simply NOT racism. ANY race can be racist no matter how oppressed. It's like racism against White people is "special" so it can't be called what it would be called if you were talking about racism against Blacks or Hispanics

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          ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
          6/7/2010

          by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:49:12 PM PDT

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          •  I personally believe that any race (3+ / 0-)
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            can be prejudiced.  However, I see no evidence that African Americans have amassed the power to create anything like the persistent and institutionalized racism which favors people who are not of color.

            Which is why it drives me crazy to see a false equivalency here, which plays to what I believe is a fear that African Americans, once empowered, will enact some sort of retribution against white people or secretly hate white people.  I have had issues with the manner in which people of color are sometimes depicted in the media for years and years now.  POTUS' election hasn't changed that nor is he going to serve as a shiny object to distract my attention from my issues with some aspects of the media.  There are terrific, terrific reports, and there are lousy ones which ill-serve the country.  I am very grateful, however, that most outlets are doing so much to at least address this smearing.  Now if they'd focus all of their attention on the defamers, we'd really be getting somewhere.

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            by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:57:48 PM PDT

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            •  You know what I hate is all of this (4+ / 0-)
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              waiting for the Black people to fix things for us. White people are the majority. We enjoy the privilege of being taken seriously- Breitbart (a known liar) vs Sherrod for example.

              Beck is having a rally on the anniversary of MLK's "I Have A Dream Speech" We liberals on Daily Kos are outraged about this. But we know that DC has a lot of Black people and they'll probably be offended and show up and beat up some Tea Party people for us... how cool is that!

              President Barack Obama who surely has a few other things on his plate right now needs to come out and fix racism and shut down the Right Wing Noise Machine or he is weak and spineless.

              We white folks know that most of our neighbors, co-workers and probably relatives go right to the worst possibility when seeing a Black vs White controversy but somehow we don't need to work on that but Black people do... especially this president.

              Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away- Stevie Wonder

              by blindyone on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:10:29 PM PDT

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              •  Well said (3+ / 0-)
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                I have no issues with serious policy critique, but this incident is simply ridiculous.  And IMO it pisses me off because it's also an attempt to pit different black folks against each other in a circular firing squad.  Sherrod was initially very pissed that the NAACP got into it with teabaggers at all, as she got caught in the crossfires.  Perfect example of turning on each other rather than staying focused on the real problem, which is a regressive agenda determined to keep this entire country divided, conquered, and acting against the best interests of average Americans.  Drama and sensationalism=bread and circuses.  I want none of it.

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                by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:14:08 PM PDT

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              •  Well, since his administration fired her, (0+ / 0-)

                in this case the President does need to speak out. The fact that he doesn't leads to thoughts that he is afraid, that he doesn't care, that he is just "too busy" to deal with this, all of which are damming. No doubt he is getting advice to stay away from the third rail of media plus race, but as a black man, I would expect him to ignore that advice and stand up for this black woman who has been crucified in the media simply because he is the President now. The first Black President. He can't run away from that.

                •  Her firing has been rescinded, and (1+ / 0-)
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                  she has been held up, publicly, as a genuine American hero by many. Clearly this was a terrible mistake by the Obama administration that was facilitated by the cable media and the NAACP.

                  So, you won't be satisfied until the president comes out publicly and talks about this? Or do you want some frightened fool in his administration to lose his/her job? I don't see how that will clean this mess up.

                  Meanwhile Fox, and their running dogs in the MSM, get a pass from everybody. And this racist, lying piece of crap, Breitbart, gets more publicity with no consequences.

                  Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away- Stevie Wonder

                  by blindyone on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 02:28:15 PM PDT

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                  •  Yeah, I want the President to show (0+ / 0-)

                    that black people are just as important as white people. I want the President to call out the climate of racism that has people falling all over themselves to cut people and organizations loose. I want him to take this on.  That's the person I voted for. I don't blame him for what happened.  I want him to speak out, to defend her, and to attack the forces of ignorance that did this to her.Being so post-racial really does no service to his black constituents, who are watching this very closely to see where his heart lies. And calling her on the phone, I knew he would do, but it is the easy way out.

                    •  I respect your opinion but I disagree that it's (2+ / 0-)
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                      time for another "race speech" by Obama. I'm glad that he finally got a chance to talk to Ms Sherrod. I hope that she has the last laugh on the haters by living well and prospering after all of this.

                      I don't think that we have gotten over to post-racial America at all.

                      Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away- Stevie Wonder

                      by blindyone on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 03:26:20 PM PDT

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      •  Fact check. (6+ / 0-)

        The video was of a speech given at the NAACP a few months ago. The incident Sherrod talks about happened 24 years ago.

        It is an NAACP video, they most certainly should have viewed the whole thing before condemning Sherrod. WTF?! They don't even know what goes on in their own organization? That's total bullshit. I doubt anyone in the WH or administration would have overreacted if NAACP had bothered to view their own damned video of a speech they invited her to make to their organization. NAACP should simply have viewed and released the whole tape immediately and informed everyone the Breitbart/Fox hit job was a fraud. None of this had to happen, and it's devastatingly DUMB that it did happen.

        Breitbart/Fox weren't dumb, they are cold, calculating propagandist liars and proud of it. Vilsack & the WH (whoever there did the pressuring) were dumb. Having the Admin revealed as devastatingly dumb is a totally acceptable outcome for the calculating propagandist liars.

        Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

        by Joieau on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:52:56 AM PDT

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        •  You're right. I had a moment of confusion. (3+ / 0-)
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          Doesn't really change my conclusion that Vilsack and his subordinates should have and had no legitimate reason not to have tread a bit more softly.  

          "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

          by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:11:35 AM PDT

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          •  I figured it was (0+ / 0-)

            just a brain-to-fingers typing freeze. No prob. I agree wholeheartedly they should have AT LEAST allowed Sherrod to give her side of the story before forcing her to pull over and text a resignation. That wouldn't pass muster in anybody's HR department, it shouldn't be acceptable in government. Sherrod didn't have to do anything - Vilsack could have summarily suspended pending investigation and review, which would have taken all of about 12 hours.

            They blew it big time, blaming Breitbart/Fox is pointless. They did it entirely on purpose, it's what they do.

            Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

            by Joieau on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:24:55 AM PDT

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      •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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        There are two reasons why the Administration blew it, IMO.  First, was that they took as true the word of a right wing blogger and Faux Noise and forced Shirley Sherrod to resign without checking the facts behind the reason for asking for her resignation.  That is bad management, pure and simple.

        Second, even IF the incident that supposedly occurred 24 years ago when Shirley Sherrod did not work for the U.S. government was true, why would it affect her current employment if she was an exemplary employee now?  I would hate to think that any one word or misstep from decades ago in a different job could get a person fired from their current job, regardless of excellent current performance.

        This is a very ugly slippery slope and that is why I am so disappointed in the Administration's response to this horrible pack of lies.

        •  And a third point (0+ / 0-)

          By not pushing back hard and fast against the lies of the right wing noise machine, the White House is giving a certain de facto credibility to what they say.  Treating pathological liars with the same accord given to the legitimate press, delegitimizes the responsible news reporters and emboldens the liars.  The public is not being served when lies are not quickly and forcefully refuted.

    •  Lies. ALL LIES! (read with Frau Farbissina (16+ / 0-)

      accent) OK, we all agree, they're a bunch of lying meanies. But I think we're going about this all wrong with Fox.  First off, wonderful diary Muzikal, but I have to take exception to your repeated use of the word FAUX.  Joe the Plumber does not do French!  Use Fake.  Fake News, see how easy that was?  It rolls off the tongue so easily and there is never any doubt as to who I'm talking about.  Both sides get it immediately (I know, I've used it thousands of times on different blogs and it works).  The other very important issue is the part ownership of the Saudi Prince.  We keep letting that one slide under the carpet.  Fake News, owned by a Saudi Prince.  Over and over and over again.  Do not deviate!  That is the key.  Then ask, or wonder innocently, why oh why isn't there a law against a Saudi Prince owning a media company that is in the business of manipulating American voters?  We must first and foremost all get on the same page so that Fox becomes synonymous with Fake.

      Fake News has us all confused!

      by Fury on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:16:52 AM PDT

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    •  They were lied to by a known liar (8+ / 0-)

      Still, they understand that the corporate media rarely corrects lies, and even more rarely corrects those lies loudly.  

      This is really unprecedented for the media to trumpet a correction like this.  It makes me wonder if their intent is to smear Obama.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:55:03 AM PDT

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    •  I was one that was pissed at the admin... (5+ / 0-)

      but they apologized and did the right thing, as I hoped they would. This is the first time that I remember a Presidential administration firing somebody and then apologizing and offering the job back to a person that was wronged.

      I think it's time to layoff the admin now and focus on the real culprits: the lying liars from the right. This is nothing new and I hope this finally exposes them for the liars that they are.

      •  That's all I'm saying (8+ / 0-)

        focus on the real culprits: the lying liars from the right

        The deflection is an ongoing far right strategy.

        I posted this in a comment below; this is a former Bush speechwriter calling out his own team for their bullshit:

        When Andrew Breitbart unveils a selectively edited tape to defame a federal employee, conservatives blame Barack Obama

        Okay — look at the conservative media reaction to the firing of Shirley Sherrod.

        [snip]

        Conservative pundits justify fraudulent journalism on the grounds that all is fair in war.Sherrod was telling a story about overcoming her own racial antagonisms. She had repented, had helped the white farmer, had saved the farm, had formed a friendship with the farmer and his family that lasts to this day. Besides which: The episode in question dates back to 1986, long before Sherrod ever went to work at the USDA.

        By the morning of July 20 the Sherrod-as-racist narrative had collapsed.

        [snip]

        By the evening of the 20th, however, conservatives were backing away, acknowledging that an innocent women had been defamed.

        [snip]

        But you’ll never guess who emerged as the villains of the story in this second-day conservative react. Not Andrew Breitbart, the distributor of a falsified tape. No, the villains were President Obama and the NAACP for believing Breitbart's falsehood.

        http://theweek.com/...

        IMO people should be very skeptical of incidents like this.

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        by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:40:52 AM PDT

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  •  Well . . . there is plenty of blame to go (17+ / 0-)

    around.  You place the bulk of it rightly on FAUX and their media enablers.

    To the extent that people in the administration freaked out and authorized the kind of intense pressure on this woman in order to "get out ahead" of Glenn Patriot Tears Beck, at a minimum they are guilty of totally losing their cool and their perspective.  At worse, they are guilty of not just giving in to fear of FAUX, but also quite possibly giving in to some of their own internalized racism and fears as well.  Just my opinion.

    Let's put it this way.  If this decision had ever gotten near the desk of our unflappable president, there is no way in hell it would have played out like this.  Unfortunately, not every decision can get his attention or even the attention of those close enough to him to have internalized/developed a keen instinct for the way he thinks.

    In this case, it looks to me like this got no higher than someone who works with or for Rahm.  

    There's going to have to be some good long sit-downs in the office of chief of staff.

    "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

    by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:40:31 AM PDT

    •  I don't think they lost their cool, I think given (13+ / 0-)

      the circumstances they made a rational decision, the difference is, this time it was proven even more quickly than usual that the RWing claims were baseless, and as soon as that was realized the WH apologized. Did they jump the gun? Yes. Is it understandable given the circumstances and the history of how these things USUALLY play out? Yes.

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      ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
      6/7/2010

      by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:42:29 AM PDT

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      •  I can't agree that the decision to (21+ / 0-)

        hound this woman into resignation based on a FAUX video clip sourced to Breitbart was reasonable.  There was no reason not to wait and find out the facts.  At worst, they could have requested a temporary leave while they sorted it out.  They treated her disgracefully IMHO.

        "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

        by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:44:33 AM PDT

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        •  I don't agree with hounding her, that was just (7+ / 0-)

          wrong no matter what. They could have waited for her to get to her destination at least.

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          ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
          6/7/2010

          by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:45:59 AM PDT

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          •  How about this? (15+ / 0-)

            Look at what is being said, get a complete video and
            transcript from the NAACP and Then make a decision.
            Hell, she wasn't even allowed to tell her side of the
            story.  This happened on their watch with Van Jones,
            ACORN, and now Sherrod.  How many people have to be
            thrown overboard to sense a pattern of a cowering,
            cringing weakling that can't stand up to a bully?
            This was one of those lazy fly balls that any mediocre
            outfielder could have handled.  Instead that ball was
            dropped and the other team won, no matter how you slice
            it.  Fox and Breitbart did their damage, the question
            now is how the Obama Administration learns from this
            possibly game changing error.  They had better learn
            quickly, next test a couple of weeks from now.

            •  shocking that nobody replied to this (3+ / 0-)
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              comment. I knew back in 1998 that conservatives couldn't be trusted and the MSM just follows their lead.

              Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. How many votes will be lost because we don't have ACORN's voter registration assistance?

              But as long as we absolve Obama of all blame, that is all that matters here at dKos.

            •  What people keep forgetting (7+ / 0-)

              is that the other team wins because Fox feeds the lies and everyone else chows down, happily.

              The WH has been here before, and they know it doesn't matter if it's a lie, once it's out there it can't be undone.  

              There was no way of predicting that the truth could be brought out quickly, or that CNN would be part of getting it out there.  Given history, it's far more likely that CNN, Fox and even MSNBC would keep feeding the beast, and any accurate information from the WH would be discounted and ignored.

              Blaming Vilsack and Obama makes no sense.  Being realistic about the media environment and being unwilling to join the "bad, bad White House" crowd is really the only logical step.  This is war, and we need to stop aiding the people who are trying to destroy this country.

              I am, at heart, an optimist, which I consider to be spiritually necessary and proper, as well as intellectually suspect.

              by I love OCD on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:49:32 AM PDT

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              •  EXACTLY!!! (2+ / 0-)
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                There was no way of predicting that the truth could be brought out quickly, or that CNN would be part of getting it out there.  Given history, it's far more likely that CNN, Fox and even MSNBC would keep feeding the beast, and any accurate information from the WH would be discounted and ignored.

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                ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
                6/7/2010

                by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:52:47 PM PDT

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          •  Wisdom from my 80 year-old Mom (3+ / 0-)
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            Watching the Sherrod saga unfold on TV, my 80 year-old Mom gave a classy response to the roadside resignation request:

            "I wasn't hired on the side of the road and I won't resign on the side of the road."

            I'm not that classy, I would have simply told Ms. Cheryl Cook to go F' herself after the second call, and turned off my blackberry until I got home.

            When you win, they don't call you a "celebrity. They call you Mr. President!

            by Teach53 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:55:29 AM PDT

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      •  There's also the possibility that it is a (1+ / 0-)
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        strategy on their part.  While this media circus is going on over here on the right, we'll just change all these laws and policies over here on the left...while no-one's looking.  I mean, there's a reason the teabaggers are freaking out...times, they are a changin!

        Fake News has us all confused!

        by Fury on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:20:25 AM PDT

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    •  Vilsack Vilsack Vilsack (10+ / 0-)

      why is it so diffiucult to believe that the Head of the gd USDA is capable of "freaking out" all by himself and naking this call??

      Ifit isn't Obama -w ell then it si RAHM

      hey maybe it just VILSACK

      "....while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." Eugene V. Debs

      by soothsayer99 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:45:30 AM PDT

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      •  I could buy that except (8+ / 0-)

        for the comments of Jim Messina.

        Given that extra piece of the puzzle, I've got to agree with KO (and really anyone who is paying attention) that the political players surrounding Obama are not serving him well.

        And, sadly, it is all about race.  This administration IS so a-scared of getting into a racial fight with Fixed, they'll toss any black person under the bus as quickly as possible.  

        There is no "holding accountable" for Vilsack, for Cheryl Cook (if there truly was no pressure from the WH, she should be dismissed for taking it upon herself to use the name and clout of the WH, let alone for harassing someone to "pull off the road and resign immediately") and Jim Messina for crowing about throwing someone under the bus.  Only accountability for the black woman who had done nothing wrong in the first place.

        Furthermore, once the firing (and it was a firing) was revealed to have been a wrongful termination, Obama himself needs to apologize.  Publicly.  Whenever his underlings act, like it or not, it is the President acting.  And when they screw up, the public expects him, not the underlings, to clean up the mess.  He needs to see this wrong as though it were perpetrated upon one of his own daughters and express outrage and contrition accordingly.  Sorry.  Apologies from Gibbs and Vilsack and the offer of some "other" job (probably pushing papers in a cubicle) fall way short of what this situation required.

        Yes, I primarily blame our lazy media.  There is no real journalism anymore.  No fact checking.  Nothing.  Fixed is what Fixed is, but what was MSNBC's excuse?  But I can not give the WH a free pass on this.  When anyone in the administration acts, it is the President acting.  And this administration behaved shamefully.  And we all know it's going to happen again and again and again, just as it has before with Vann Jones and ACORN.

      •  Vilsack is in the admin. Why do you think (0+ / 0-)

        I was excluding him?  Just because I didn't name him?

        My guess is that the decision to terminate her with all alacrity was made by Vilsack and then cleared through CoS office, maybe not even reaching Rahm.  

        The on-the-ground decisions to hound this woman in the car while she was on the way to work . . . I am HOPING . . . were not made or authorized directly by Vilsack or anyone in the WHY, but rather by some over-eager subordinate (was her name Cook?) tasked with contacting her.

        "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

        by Mother of Zeus on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:02:52 AM PDT

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    •  I really wish we'd stop perpetuating this (17+ / 0-)

      Glenn Beck crap. Remember, when Cheryl Cook called Mrs. Sherrod and pressured the poor woman to pull over and text her resignation, she said, "The WH wants you to resign. You're going to be on Glenn Beck tonight!" Cook did not say, "The WH said you're going to be on Glenn Beck tonight." I think it was Cook who invoked Glenn Beck out of her own hysteria.

      "Palin tried marijuana years ago. She said it distorted her perceptions & impaired her thinking. She hopes the effects will eventually one day wear off." -

      by marabout40 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:10:14 AM PDT

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  •  Of course they're not afraid (6+ / 0-)

    this is all a big propaganda/shill game. More divide, divide, divide--let's gin up some more blatant racism and live-on-the-air LIES and Watch the Little People Froth!

    Did you know that Alberto Gonzales skated on the last of the illegal lawyer firings? But oh, no, mustn't talk about that. Just scream at each other about mis-directed censorship claims, "leave our POTUS alone!", false outrage, and propaganda.

    I'm as guilty as anyone else on the screaming. But one of the things I posted yesterday at some point was that every time a network (usually FOX) INVENTS News, the timing of its release ALWAYS seems to obfuscate a very important, critical story elsewhere. Never fails.

    And it will be ever thus, until we do something about it.

    STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

    by o the umanity on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:42:32 AM PDT

  •  never believed faux from day one! (3+ / 0-)

    and morning blow?
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
    Now, take a breath and relax!

    Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

    by quityurkidding on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:43:09 AM PDT

  •  Nail. Head. HIT. Fox Views is the villian here. (13+ / 0-)

    The WH and the NAACP were its patsies'

    And the entire MSM are its enablers.

    All evils are equal when they are extreme. - Pierre Corneille

    by LiberalCanuck on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:45:49 AM PDT

  •  Obama should ban any action against Fed workers (5+ / 0-)

    on allegedly damaging information obtained via Fox News and/or right wing blogs. That will render them ineffective and defang them for good.

  •  they're not 'scared' of Fox, they're terrified! (22+ / 0-)

    imo -- you can spin all you want, but the facts speak for themselves -- the AG undersecretary demanded Sherrod's resignation b/c the specter of Glenn Beck covering this story was too ...... terrifying!

    It's this administration that needs a teachable moment, and why this pisses us off, and obfuscating what's clearly evident doesn't help any, again, imo.

    "We're Screwed!" (me)

    by PhillyGal on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:47:21 AM PDT

  •  Howard Kurtz released maybe the single (10+ / 0-)

    worst article from a media watcher that I have ever seen.  If I have time today I will dissect the ridiculousness of his article, which is ostensibly an attempt to provide exculpatory evidence for FOX, and refuses to refute or analyze anything the Breitbart has done.

    Kurtz has proven once and for all he is a shill for Fox.

    This is a horrific journalism.  Almost every other paragraph has a significant omission or outright mistake.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    Shameful so called journalism...

    "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

    by justmy2 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:47:29 AM PDT

    •  and just look who published it (1+ / 0-)
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      and you wonder why people get so pissed when WaPo sources are used to support actual, meaningful diaries around here.

      STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

      by o the umanity on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:58:11 AM PDT

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    •  The NYT did the same thing: (7+ / 0-)

      "Palin tried marijuana years ago. She said it distorted her perceptions & impaired her thinking. She hopes the effects will eventually one day wear off." -

      by marabout40 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:15:17 AM PDT

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      •  This is ridiculous (7+ / 0-)

        As I have said, the Admin had a legitimate issue.  They stood up, and apologized.  They should be lauded for doing the right thing just like they were criticized before they did.

        But somehow, the catalyst for this get a whitewash by the media?  

        He used to work as Drudge's second in command.

        I guess he still rules their world.

        I am astounded.  The media is quickly overtaking the Administration as the group that comes out of this looking the worst.  

        Who and what are they protecting?  The admin may or may not be afraid of Fox.  But we know who is. THE MEDIA!!!

        "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

        by justmy2 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:25:14 AM PDT

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        •  You gotta wonder (1+ / 0-)
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          what the other networks would be "afraid of".

          The only thing which makes sense to me is that they all fear one of their own will 'fess up to the industry-wide collusion that ALL these private companies have been perpetuating since the Telecomm Act kicked in.

          Collusion in what, you ask? Propagandizing. Lying. Dividing and Conquering, on behalf of the State.

          They're covering each others' asses. If any one of them outs the rest of them, they all lose their jobs.

          Or worse.

          STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

          by o the umanity on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:31:11 AM PDT

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    •  Ok...I don't have to do it (5+ / 0-)

      a bunch of people already have done it...

      Kurtz is getting hammered...

      Hear that giant sucking sound? It’s Howard Kurtz, perpetual media establishment shill, giving it the two-lipped inverted blow to FOX News this morning, probably in some (futile) hope of tempering the news network’s ongoing glee over  Tucker Carlson’s drip-drip leaks of the now infamous naughty Journolist, a private listserv for mainstream Washington reporters, founded by Ezra Klein, who now writes for Kurtz’ employer, The Washington Post.

      In his always insipid media column for the Post’s Style section, Kurtz attempts this morning to "ferret out FOX’s role" in the forced resignation of USDA official Shirley Sherrod on Monday. Maybe he shouldn’t have bothered — his paper did it’s best to handhold the right wing machinery that produced this "scandal" in Wednesday’s paper, when it waited until the jump to even mention that Sherrod was the victim of  shoddy journalism, a conveniently edited video and a scaredy-cat White House that jumped to premature conclusions (and this was more than 12 hours  — a lifetime in the news cycle — after it was already clear she had been smeared. That should have been the lede).

      But back to Kurtz. His navel gazing has always been mildly annoying but today his whitewashing is just plain shameful and negligent. He writes, "for all of the chatter... that (Sherrod) was done in by FOX News, the network didn’t touch the story until her forced resignation was made public Monday evening." What he fails to tell you is  FOXNews.com was already helping the video go viral, with an accompanying news story, and no comment from Sherrod or the USDA.

      "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

      by justmy2 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:38:57 AM PDT

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    •  Please write the diary, justmy2. (0+ / 0-)

      Howard Kurtz is a malignant joke.  He starts out questioning the media's problems and concludes with giving them absolution. Waste of planetary air.

  •  Would you want your boss to act like ObamaVlisack (12+ / 0-)

    I think you're missing the point here.  You're putting the blame on FOX who you've already accused of always lying and acting irresponsible instead of on those who are supposed to act rational and responsible.

    Would you want your boss to act the way the White House and FDA did on half-assed information without asking you what happened?

  •  Maybe this entire brouhaha was an attempt (28+ / 0-)

    by the right wing to divert attention to the fact that Obama was succesful in passing another piece of major legislation this week....and it worked.

    •  That and from the NAACP thing (15+ / 0-)

      -------
      "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
      ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
      6/7/2010

      by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:50:59 AM PDT

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    •  sure, that too! (7+ / 0-)

      Mustn't let ANYTHING get out that makes this administration appear to know what they're doing. That and the Gonzo story? Hell yeah.

      What pisses me off most of all is the waste of fucking time. These "propagandists" cost this government some work time, trying to deal with it.

      Fucking disgraceful, all the way around. Other work didn't get done because of this. Just as bad as, if not worse than, obstructionism in the US Senate.

      STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

      by o the umanity on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:02:00 AM PDT

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    •  They wanted to discredit the NAACP (17+ / 0-)

      IMO the WH is just a cherry on top.

      The right has scored a tremendous victory here: they have slammed African Americans as reverse racists; they have given the WH and the NAACP a black eye amongst those credulous enough to allow the conservative media spin to penetrate; they have shown that any organization which stands up to the bullying racist teabaggers can expect a grand media smear in return, and that smear will be disseminated by sensationalists on the right, left, and center.

      Huge victory.

      Look at the right shaking their heads at the idiots and dupes who believe their spin:

      When Andrew Breitbart unveils a selectively edited tape to defame a federal employee, conservatives blame Barack Obama

      Okay — look at the conservative media reaction to the firing of Shirley Sherrod.

      [snip]

      Conservative pundits justify fraudulent journalism on the grounds that all is fair in war.Sherrod was telling a story about overcoming her own racial antagonisms. She had repented, had helped the white farmer, had saved the farm, had formed a friendship with the farmer and his family that lasts to this day. Besides which: The episode in question dates back to 1986, long before Sherrod ever went to work at the USDA.

      By the morning of July 20 the Sherrod-as-racist narrative had collapsed.

      [snip]

      By the evening of the 20th, however, conservatives were backing away, acknowledging that an innocent women had been defamed.

      [snip]

      But you’ll never guess who emerged as the villains of the story in this second-day conservative react. Not Andrew Breitbart, the distributor of a falsified tape. No, the villains were President Obama and the NAACP for believing Breitbart's falsehood.

      http://theweek.com/...

      That's Bush's former speechwriter.  Even he is disgusted with the spinning, yet you cannot tell the people who parrot it a damn thing.  They're "principled," not mere credulous victims of propaganda.

      climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

      by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:10:33 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, when the first false narrative collapsed (13+ / 0-)

        the same lying machine went into action to deflect the attention from their own manipulations and pointed "over there! Look over there! It's that bad, bad President who is the bad guy, not us!" And the media, knowing that they were at fault for running the story without fact checking it as well, gleefully grabbed the shiny distraction so their own culpability won't be looked at by the public. The administration screwed up, then took responsibility, apologized and tried to make things right. They deserve criticism for the initial reaction but they also deserve praise for stepping up and doing the right thing to attempt to correct their mistake. Where is the media that is doing the same thing? Where is the outrage against Breitbart and Fox for pushing this story? Where is the apology from the media for their initial reactions to this story?

        It's so much easier to just go back to pointing the finger at the black guy. They couldn't keep up the smear on the black people at the NAACP so they just move it over to the always handy one in the White House.  Who cares if the president knew nothing about the whole thing until after the fact? He should have known everything that happens in every department at every level and stopped it, they say. He's the big boss. Everything is directly his fault because he should be micromanaging everything especially if it touches on race. Surely, everyone who works for the administration runs everything by him personally if it touches on racial issues, right? That's the bs that is floated around and defended by critics on the left as well as the right.

        I get why Breitbart and Fox start it and why the other media outlets take it up. It deflects from their own culpability. But it makes no sense for left leaning people to jump on board with it. The root cause of the problem is Breitbart's propaganda and the sensationalization of that propaganda by the rest of the media. That's where the focus needs to be and needs to stay if we are ever to break the cycle of right wing lies passing as news. Letting them turn it into yet another attack on the President is doing their work for them. Acknowledge that the administration screwed up by reacting too quickly and then pivot to the media who created the thing they reacted to!

        •  This is so incredibly well-said, LiLa (5+ / 0-)

          I have nothing to add.

          climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

          by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:02:53 AM PDT

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        •  And once again (0+ / 0-)

          The administration stood by the firing even after the truth came out, which blows your whole defense out of the water. They chose to reconsider this decision, not out of a sense of justice, but because the blow back was getting impossible to push back against. In other words, they learned nothing; they are still dancing to the media's tune.

          I'm not worried about your state of mind, 'cause, you're not the revolutionary kind - Gomez

          by jhecht on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:11:27 AM PDT

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          •  What is your ultimate goal here? (6+ / 0-)

            For me it is to see the media stop enabling Fox and the right wing by treating their propaganda as legitimate news. I acknowledged that the administration screwed up. They did. They have since apologized and tried to correct it. Where is your outrage about the media? I am not defending the administration. I have noted that what they did was wrong. The question is what now? Do we continue to pound the president or do we focus our attention on the people who started the whole thing with blatant lies and manipulation? What does the most good in the long run?

            Continuing to focus on where Vilsack and the administration went wrong is a choice. You are entitled to make that choice. But remember that choice has consequences. It will take the focus off the perpetrators of the slander and the media who enabled them to spread their lies. People won't remember who started it, who spread it, just that the administration didn't handle it the best way. The narrative just builds that Obama is bad, Democrats are bad, weak, unable to lead. And the liars continue to lie without consequences, the media continues to sell the lies for the ratings without consequences and the cycle continues over and over. I want to stop the cycle. That's important for all of us no matter who is president. It's not just about this incident. It's a pattern that keeps repeating and allowing the media to ignore their culpability and to gloss over the lies that started it in a rush to criticize already acknowledged bad handling by the White House helps to perpetuate that cycle.

            •  This is so on point (1+ / 0-)
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              by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:21:39 PM PDT

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            •  The media is going to continue to enable Fox News (0+ / 0-)

              as long as this administration continues to dance to their tune. Don't you understand how weak Obama looks when he won't go on Fox News because he claims it's not a legitimate news organizations, but his administration takes actions based on their contrived nonsense. And typical of Obama defenders, you don't even attempt to address why The White House stood by the firing after the truth came out. You can't put that on Fox News.

              I'm not worried about your state of mind, 'cause, you're not the revolutionary kind - Gomez

              by jhecht on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:31:14 PM PDT

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              •  Obama did go on FoxNews, even though (1+ / 0-)
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                many people said he was wrong to do so. (March 17th, 2010 - available on youtube if you want to watch it) Your argument would work better if it was factual.

                So you think that a statement saying the  administration stands by their Secretary's decision at the beginning of this negates all actions taken afterward and even though wrong, should be the focus of our attention and not the lies told by Breitbart. Is it your position that since the right wing media always lies we should just ignore that and instead concentrate only on the way people react to the lies? If so, I disagree. I don't see what that achieves. The administration have already admitted that what they did was wrong. They have apologized and it is obvious they regret what happened on their part. What more does continuing to focus on it do? Shouldn't we also then by your logic be lambasting the NAACP for their initial reaction even though they apologized as well? When do you think the focus should shift to stopping the media from running with stories from the likes of Breitbart? Or does the fact that they lie a lot mean we should just not confront them about it?

      •  The NAACP discredited itself (0+ / 0-)

        by condemning this woman without even speaking to her or doing an investigation. Ditto this administration.  The only one who can fix it is the President.  Will he?

  •  Everyone forgets that Obama went after Fox (20+ / 0-)

    a few months ago and the media closed ranks around Fox and their race baiting and lying.
    So the Admn.dropped it.
    Now, look at how many, including the media and our own side, are so quick to point fingers of coward at Obama

  •  I would offer two points: (4+ / 0-)
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    Yesterday, Ed (whom I seldom watch) asked this very question in a poll: Do you think Obama is scared of Fox? Over 70% responded yes.  That is a terrible number, but even worse it is a number of perception, not reality. The other thing is that there is a real fear, but of being "the black" president. I think Obama tries so hard to avoid that label, it clouds his or the folks' around him judgement. (is that sentence written right-hmmm). Progressives are becoming increasingly unhappy with Obama because just once they want to see the guy they voted for come out. We are here Mr. President: liberals, Progressives, Democrats, etc. Trust that we fot your back.

    "My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total...I have finally been included in we, the people." --Barbara Jordan

    by MsDrema on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:55:12 AM PDT

    •  My question, MsDreama (0+ / 0-)

      What was Ed's rationale for asking the question?  IMO, a better question:  "Is FOX race-bating the White House?  Then discuss the pros and cons of the Obama administration "taking the bait".  Obama "took the bait" with the Gates affair and took a hit in his approval rating. Which reinforces if you take the bait, you're allowing the wingers to control the message.

  •  Here is the point I made Wednesday (9+ / 0-)

    I have made my points on the Administration's ability to man up.

    But the media enables this nonsense.

    When the media doesn't stand behind Dan Rather.

    When the media fights the WH when they state Fox falsehoods.

    When they run out to say Fox reporters are good journalists and not part of the opinion team.   (proven wrong unquestionably today).

    When the media takes assignments from drudge and breitbart.

    When the media pushes and then refuses to retract blatant falsehoods about Van Jones, Acorn, and Voter intimidation.

    When the media doesn't report real voter intimidation stories.

    When the media immediately searches for false equivalence as they did in the health care threats case.

    When the media doesn't do any research, but regurgitates talking points line for line, with errors.

    When the media hires people with outlandish blogging history and calls them outspoken.

    When the media turns Rush Liar into a rock star.

    The media is culpable and refuses to take responsibility.

    Shame shame shame.

    Howard Kurtz proved my exact point today.  The whitewash is underway.

    But for all the chatter -- some of it from Sherrod herself -- that she was done in by Fox News, the network didn't touch the story until her forced resignation was made public Monday evening, with the exception of brief comments by O'Reilly. After a news meeting Monday afternoon, an e-mail directive was sent to the news staff in which Fox Senior Vice President Michael Clemente said: "Let's take our time and get the facts straight on this story. Can we get confirmation and comments from Sherrod before going on-air. Let's make sure we do this right."

    Apparently the FOX website, is no longer the part of the network.  Apparently, Kurtz thinks that the network was going to just stop at O'Reilly's taped remarks and do the same exact thing that happened the next morning if she wouldn't have resigned.  He is a fool or a shill.

    How can any media observer pretend that FOX didn't run the story ad nauseum without any context, when folk like CNN covered it differently, and even Shep Smith never ran the story?

    Does Kurtz think we are blind?

    "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

    by justmy2 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 07:55:52 AM PDT

  •  I beg to differ (5+ / 0-)
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    But Keith and Ed DID blame the President. Go back and listen.

  •  Perhaps Obama should call Rupert Murdoch in (1+ / 0-)
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    for a private meeting in the White  House to see if this train could be stopped.  I don't think it can but it would be a gesture and if rebuffed, then go after Fox head on.  Allowing them to come up with one racial attack after another is not doing the country any good at all.

    •  It's interesting (and ironic). (1+ / 0-)
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      Most accounts I've seen indicate that Murdoch absolutely loves Obama, and admires him greatly. In reading Alter's 'The Promise', I've discovered that Murdoch fully intended to publicly endorse Obama in the general election. Upon hearing this news, uber-shitbag Roger Ailes (who considered Obama a 'dangerous radical') threated to quit. Recognizing that Ailes is a cash cow and the capstone of his media empire, Murdoch eventually endorsed McCain.

      "When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon." -Thomas Paine

      by Fogiv on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:01:53 AM PDT

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  •  The professor (22+ / 0-)

    from Cornell? who was on Hardball nailed it.
    While he said Vilsack was wrong to panic,he understood the reaction.
    He cited other instances where slow reaction to a story running on a loop over and over on FoxNews has cost Obama,ie. Reverand Wright.
    He cited the ability of these guys to invent controversy out of a few words on a clip run over and over.
    Basically, he said that Vilsack was in a no-win situation at that point in time considering the whole history of the department.

    It is not fear of Fox,it is awareness of the whole messaging thing that people on here constantly harp on with this administration. Fox has a bully pulpit also and they need to counter it in a smart way.
    Vilsack blew this one,but he came clean and now we move on.

    Of course,Dick Morris says the Administration is now really screwed because now Sherrod owns them,and he is certain that she will be another Rev. Wright that will embarrass them in the future and they will not be able to touch her. O'Reilly agreed that if they keep digging,FoxNews will find incendiary comments by her in her past and it will come back to burn the administration...so,be aware that they will keep trying.

  •  I get what you are saying, but being overly (8+ / 0-)

    cautious generally is a symptom of being scared.  I think the point is they reacted to FOX threats instead of the facts.

    Call it what you want, but I call it wrong.  They do too because they apologized.

    With that being said, the media across the board beyond folks like Shep Smith and some producers at CNN are complicit and as much to blame as the Administration and Dept of Ag.  The difference is the Dept of Ag and Admin have apologized correctly while the media is in the midst of an attempted whitewash and attack on folks who attempt to call them on it such as Rachel.

    "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

    by justmy2 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:00:32 AM PDT

  •  Couldn't agree more. (8+ / 0-)

    Plenty of folks thought the same thing after they saw the assault tape ("oh my, just get rid of her we don't need this race thing right now, shiver") and are running away trying to blame the others who got duped rather than the dupers.  

  •  Just about everybody got caught (10+ / 0-)

    with their pants down on this one.

    Vilsack and he WH were right to apologize. Media figures who jumped to conclusions need to do so as well (and not be so f*cking hyporcitical!).

  •  If you noticed, Joe also called the (7+ / 0-)

    internet (bloggers) liars.  

    I see a new meme by the MSM to try and cover their lying asses by making the bloggers the new boogeyman.

    Just a heads up.

    The Republican party has drawn a line in the sand between big business and the American people. They stand with big business.

    by cyeko on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:06:12 AM PDT

  •  Happy to rec this, the (12+ / 0-)

    Media LIES.  It may start with FOX, an entity we Ought to shut down, we the people have the power to do so..  it may start on fox, but they all follow along, I will never forget during the primaries and Anderson Cooper playing the Rev Wright loop over and over and over.. he had much to do with why I gave up teevee during the primaries, which is when I'd listen to a speech or a debate and then listen to the 'pundits' on ANY station and hear them LIE through their teeth about that same speech or debate.  

    They remind me of nothing more than childish gossips.. wrecking lives everytime they open their mouths.

    They will continue to play us, the public, for as long as we allow them to and until we exact excellence from them, imo

  •  Uh, KO also crit Obama and his staff for this (2+ / 0-)
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    frantic rush to judgement before Glenn Beck was on.
    In my opinion, quite rightfully so.

  •  FOXNEWS repeatedly assassinates the character (8+ / 0-)

    of the POTUS and some Liberals react to this propaganda the same way they are accusing the POTUS of reacting to this Sherrod story.

    Look in the mirror, the real rush to judgement will be looking back.

  •  Joe Scarbourh also called for her resignation (6+ / 0-)

    without getting any facts.  He is such a hypsocrite and so are his toadies that did not point this out.  I assume because he would have them bandish from HIS show. Stop watching this garbage and stop blaming the President. Breitbart, Shame hannity and Bill O and all of F'ed Noise, Sherrod's immediate boss and boss knee jerk reaction to protect the administration are the blame.

  •  It's MSM doing what does best. (2+ / 0-)
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    Because the MSM was talking about this, I wonder what story the MSM could "unfortunately" not get to... If I know how well they work, probably 10's of stories just over the past two days.

    Propaganda is a fine art and can be a masterpiece if done properly. Our MSM can beat Leonardo Da Vinci in their sleep, with both hands tied behind their backs.

  •  The MSM needs drama... (5+ / 0-)

    It makes their job so much easier.  Bush White House was full or drama, so the new reporter doesn't know how to do really work anymore.  So the "No Drama Obama" White House pisses them off so they try to manufacture it.  The other MSM networks stuck up for Fox because Fox plays the agitator so then CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS can cover the drama that Fox creates and thus they have something to cover in the 24 hour news channel era.  

    Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

    by Jonze on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:39:24 AM PDT

    •  Too bad assassinating US citizens isn't dramatic (0+ / 0-)

      Obama claims he doesn't need a trial to kill US citizens outside of the warzone, and since the MSM agrees, no drama!

      A top counterterrorism official on Wednesday defended the government's right to target U.S. citizens perceived as terror threats for capture or killing, citing the example of the renegade al-Qaida-linked cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.

      http://www.wtop.com/...

      "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

      by quagmiremonkey on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:53:13 AM PDT

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  •  There are three people that I (2+ / 0-)
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    love in this story.  Ms Sherrod, who would not back down
    from the fight (tho I would have turned the cell phone
    OFF in the drive back), and the farmer and his wife who
    came to her defense.  This moment on CNN really changed
    the dynamic of the story.  The rest of them will have
    to deal with the consequences, and some of them will
    not be pretty to the Obama Administration unless they
    learn how the game is played.

  •  Kitchen Sink Common Sense (5+ / 0-)

    Blaming the Obama Administration for flinching with every swat is like blaming a battered wife for doing the same.

    The first step to sound mental health for the Dems is to admit that they have a problem.

    Hint: Stop bring your butter knife to the gunfight.

    "The skeleton in the closet is coming home to roost!" Tom Stoppard

    by Apotropoxy on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:42:09 AM PDT

  •  i totally disagree with you muzical (1+ / 0-)
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    this WH is very sensitive on issues about race esp when it sets up as a story of black privilege vis a vis white harrasment

    •  They are reluctant to address race when they (6+ / 0-)

      don't absolutely have to, but they NEVER really talked race, not even during the campaign until they HAD to. The problem is, the people responsible for disseminating information aren't mature enough to discuss the topic without trying to create unnecessary drama and strife.

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      ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
      6/7/2010

      by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:56:22 AM PDT

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      •  Yes but in this case they were quick (0+ / 0-)

        to validate white fantasies of persecution at the hands of African-Americans. That is dangerous and irresponsible of the WH. The WH's silencve on matters of race is allowing for this unchecked narrative that Rachel so brilliantly dissected last night, that the racists are the civil rights movement and African Americans are the racists. Are you cool with that? This is made worse by throwing a member of a distinguished civil rights movement family under the bus, a victim of the institutional racism inherent in our sordid history. So to placate racists the administration victimized again a victim of racists. There is nothing understandable about that.

        I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction, of the Constitution. Barbara Jordan

        by Lcohen on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:44:41 AM PDT

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  •  Consider the source (3+ / 0-)
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    Remember Acorn?  Pimp and Ho? Same guy.

    For that Congress passed a law defunding them which Obama happily, proudly, signed. What a strong leader (swoon!).

    And it was all a lie.  And Acorn was saying it was all a lie and no one listened.  And Sherrod says no one would listen to her.

    My observation is that this is demonstrative of the bigger problem for democrats: fear of the messaging by the right, about legislation, policy, and principles. They have no counter to right wing media and the failed MSM.  Until they grow a pair and start attacking every lie that worthless journalists peddle, and call out each and everyone that does it, nothing will change.  

    •  The lack of courage betrays a lack of conviction (1+ / 0-)
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      It's as if they don't think the President or his people can rally the public to liberal solutions and liberal values.

      "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

      by quagmiremonkey on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:55:34 AM PDT

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      •  Another point to consider? (1+ / 0-)
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        quagmiremonkey

        How will other public employees react to that?
        Seeing that any manufactured scandal might be enough to get them fired? And knowing that obviously some senior administration officials don´t even ask what actually happened? Not feeling any loyalty towards their employees?

        Won´t some public employees become a bit more careful overseeing or regulating companies with known Republican (right wing) ties for example? Fearing that "irritating" such companies might lead to right-wing media / blog attention?

      •  But, in fact, he can rally people to (1+ / 0-)
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        liberal solutions and liberal values. I wonder how he feels right now.

  •  Obama and WH are idiots. Why not (3+ / 0-)

    just say, "The mistake we made was in believing what we saw on Fox News. We'll never make that mistake again."

    End of story.

  •  You know what the real problem is at the WH? (6+ / 0-)

    The Black President.

    No one want to admit that, but THIS WH must find a way to FIGHT, hit them hard and come back unscathed with this Black President.

    We can all sit around here and not admit that, it is not important, but what catapulted this?  Race.

    This is America's original sin.  And if you look back at all the "race hits" this WH has lost.

    Time to be not afraid and this WH comes off as afraid.

    It was Vilsack's call to fire a woman without any investigation.  Now that is some bold shit because that don't happen in the REAL WORLD and it came back to bite him in the ass.  If it bit him in the ass, it bit the WH harder.  Why?  Obama appointed Vilsack, a former GOVERNOR to that position and he ran SCARED of FOX.

    This WH works hard to make Obama appear non-threatening, but he never was that on the trail.  He has lost his luster from the handling of this WH.  For that and the reactions from the WH had made him look weak.

    This WH better find a way to fight or many will just walk away from them.  The number one complaint I hear from Democrats, Black and White, is why this WH is not fighting all the lies.  If there was ever a time to fight after the outright job lynching of Shirley Sherrod with the help of the Obama Administration without their knowing, now is the time to FIGHT.

    •  Yep, basically (1+ / 0-)
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      "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
      ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
      6/7/2010

      by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:54:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And I want to also say, (0+ / 0-)

        This WH is very sensitive to RACE, for anyone to BELIEVE that the WH was not informed about the "potential" at that time "potential" video clip from FOX are living in LA LA LAND.  Of course, the White House knew and Obama agreed with the firing by Vilsack, which puts them in this nasty crap that happened to an innocent woman.

        And Obama needs to talk to Shirley Sherrod who is a prominent member of a family of Civil Rights legends and make it RIGHT along with LEARNING something.

        Oh, Lacewell was on POINT here blasting the NAACP and how they were a massive FAIL...clip starts at 7:30

        •  I don't think Obama needs to talk to Sherrod and (6+ / 0-)

          "learn" anything. At this point I think they've done all they can to make it right.

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          "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
          ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
          6/7/2010

          by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:07:08 AM PDT

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          •  No, Muzika203 (3+ / 0-)
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            he needs to talk to her.  And he does need to LEARN something, it is called not to let this happen again.  She is not asking for an apology, she wants a conversation.  He does need to talk to her.  And for the many older AAs like my mother, they are demanding it.  And no photo op.

            •  He can learn to not let it happen again without (0+ / 0-)

              actually talking to her. From what I understand she's starting to feel herself a little too much. There's a lot to be said for humility.

              And older AAs need to go sit down somewhere (no disrespect) because I'm over all of them. Move on, the man has better things to do than stroke her ego. What does she need to talk to OBAMA for? He's not the one who fired her.

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              "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
              ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
              6/7/2010

              by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:13:04 AM PDT

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              •  Disagree. (3+ / 0-)
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                He is staying away from it because it is fueled by race.  He has not said one word on this.

                And the old AAs, many that were in Hillary's Camp that I worked hard to get in the Obama Camp do not deserve the disrespect of "sit down somewhere".  They vote.

                And for me, he looks weak.  Stroke her ego?  Who did this to her?  And OBAMA is the head man in charge who said the buck stops with him!!!  He sat there and saw this shit go downhill.  Folks are blaming this administration, yes the Obama Administration for not doing due diligence.  And YES, the USDA, Visack fall under the Obama Administration.

                If they were not afraid of FOX, investigated this from the jump, we would not be talking about this.  Instead a black older woman, civil rights legacy was fired for no JUST CAUSE because the administration had  stay ahead of a news story.  And they came out with their roses stinking of high heaven!!

                Fuck this administration for not doing the right thing from the BEGINNING and getting caught up and tricked again by FOX NEWS.  That is their weakness and if they don't get over it and find a way to WIN, they will continue to bleed voters.

                •  Okay, we're not going to agree on this (4+ / 0-)
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                  and I said I meant no disrespect with that, but older AAs need to realize this isn't the 50s and 60s there are different ways to get what you want accomplished now. Some get that, others don't. For Obama to get personally involved at this point will only make it bigger than it is.

                  I don't think they are afraid of FOX, I think they are aware of what FOX and the media does and how easy it is to blow up a non-story or lie. They miscalculated this time trying to get in front of it, and they apologized to the person who needed the apology and she claims to have accepted. Now everyone can either move on or be bitter, but either way the world will keep spinning.

                  :o)

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                  "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
                  ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
                  6/7/2010

                  by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:24:10 AM PDT

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                •  As an older white woman, (2+ / 0-)
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                  I learned the hard way about race early on in my career when I realized just how many of our poorer citizens, most of whom were black, could not read or write and were terrified of the government.  They remembered the days when the govt. was an instrument of white supremacy in the South.

                  Because of this, I worked very hard to build a bridge of trust between many of these people and local government and became the person many elderly AA's asked to speak with because I was honest and patient in helping them.  I believe that many younger people, regardless of race, do not understand that many older AA's had every right to distrust government at any level and this is why I completely agree with icebergslim on this issue.

    •  disagree (0+ / 0-)

      cons play the cards they have- black guy, then they will play the race card. If it was a different person they would simply use another tactic

  •  Rachel's smackdown was a thing of beauty (4+ / 0-)
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    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    --Tom Harkin

    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:53:03 AM PDT

  •  We need to write to the stations when they do (2+ / 0-)
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    this.  Tell them we don't like Fox, don't watch it and don't want them repeating the lies.  We expect journalism and if they don't provide it we won't watch them either.  Make it THEIR problem.  Isolate Fox.

    Dear Father, hear and bless the beings of the sea and singing birds; and guard with tenderness small things that have no words. ~A child's prayer

    by ParkRanger on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:57:46 AM PDT

    •  Nice idea, but it's not going to happen (1+ / 0-)
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      because the rest of the press corps will just rush to their defense. It's like they don't know how to think for themselves.

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      "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
      ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
      6/7/2010

      by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:58:49 AM PDT

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      •  I'm never going to take a stand where I (0+ / 0-)

        am powerless as a person.  That means I'm defeated before I even begin.  All I know is that I have the right and privledge and power to think and take action to create the world I want to live it.  

        Fox is creating nonsense because they repeat it over and over again -- not because it's real.

        I don't care how they or the media think. This situation has evolved over time and it can just damn well evolve in a direction that pleases me.  And I have the power to influence the direction.

        There's a diary proposing a media action group at DKos.  I'm in.  Care to join us?

        Proposal: MediaKos Group & Series

        Dear Father, hear and bless the beings of the sea and singing birds; and guard with tenderness small things that have no words. ~A child's prayer

        by ParkRanger on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:40:16 AM PDT

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  •  Making someone pull over to get fired is FEAR (4+ / 0-)
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    Is fear. Worse than fear, is panic. Panic of Glenn Beck and Fox.

    Yet they fired the very guy who tried to get Beck accountable for his craziness: Van Jones. Based on what ? On Fox smears.

    The Reagan Revolution Is Washing Ashore in the Gulf of Mexico

    by lawnorder on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:58:27 AM PDT

    •  An overreaction in a heated and sensationalist (7+ / 0-)

      media environment.  This is what sensationalism does.  These are the results.

      Ask the traditional media why they provided so much cover for Fox when the WH tried to exclude them altogether from the WH press corps; ask the traditional media why they parrot Fox's baseless racial propaganda and chose to report this cherry-picked "reverse racist" story; ask the sensationalists on all portions of the ideological spectrum why they eschew calm, rational analysis and simply merchandise drama instead.

      climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

      by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:00:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, when the WH does nothing to counter (2+ / 0-)
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        it and just stands there as a punching bag on these issues, what do you expect?

        Where is the fucking pushback?  Rapid response means shooting back, not human sacrifice.

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:18:06 AM PDT

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        •  Again, Vilsack's mistake was underestimating (6+ / 0-)

          the depths of the malice which Fox"News" has for African Americans and the NAACP.  He obviously could not imagine that there would be someone so hateful, malicious, and interested in anti-black propaganda as to cherry-pick a speech and disseminate a fictionalized and defamatory story regarding one of his employees.

          His bad, absolutely, and he should have listened to Sherrod.

          However, I am not buying into this right wing spin that the victims of their lies, libel, and slander are responsible for the harassment and firing of Ms. Sherrod rather than the source of those lies, libel and slander.  "It's your fault for listening to us in the first place."  Please, I don't think so.

          This is a hit on the NAACP, and a hit on the WH.

          Geekesque, normally, you see right through these stories; I wish you'd reconsider your reaction to this one.

          climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

          by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:24:19 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  The admin and the NAACP burned this woman (3+ / 0-)
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            without even getting her side of the story.  Not doing a minute's worth of research.  Just what Andrew Reichbart released on video was enough to convince them to screw her over.

            No due process.  No attempt at fairness.  Just a human sacrifice because some piss ant demanded it.

            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

            by Geekesque on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:28:10 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I agree that they were wrong to underestimate (4+ / 0-)

              the malice underlying this story; however, being duped is not a crime nor is it malicious.  This is in the context of a period of relentless teabagger attacks reported in all parts of the media pertaining to ridiculousness about so-called favorable treatment for blacks at the DOJ and the NAACP as a supposedly racist organization.  They got caught on the defense and I agree that they overreacted.  Yet and still I will not allow the right to deflect blame from themselves.  Fox"News" created and disseminated an anti-NAACP hit piece.  Of course in hindsight both the NAACP and Vilsack should have had this woman's back and defended her against this libel and slander.  Yet they did not initially know that the tape was edited and false.

              Keep the blame where it belongs.  I do absolutely agree that Sherrod deserved her apologies and is the innocent victim in this.

              climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

              by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:36:39 AM PDT

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              •  Didn't know? They didn't bother to ask. (2+ / 0-)
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                They panicked and caved.  That's what happens when fear drives the decisionmaking process.

                "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                by Geekesque on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:38:13 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  IMO this is what happens in a *sensationalized* (5+ / 0-)

                  context; people overreact.  When there is a drama tizzy, bad decisions are more likely to be made.  For all we know, Vilsack thought that he was aggressively rooting out race-based decision-making at the USDA, as he has been doing, in the same vein as aggressively arranging a settlement with Holder for black farmers victimized by it.  The fear is an assumption.  I do not understand why a coward meme would need to be attached to this; makes no sense and has a right wing origin.

                  climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

                  by GN1927 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:53:27 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  You know, Geekesque, (7+ / 0-)

          our President has A LOT to do during the day, beyond standing at his podium all day long punching out every bit of controversy that comes to him.  I believe he handled this calmly and correctly.  

          He's the "adult in the room" rather than reacting as many of you do here.... "fucking pushback" on a diary when none of you seem to have a clue what the priorities are.

          While Vilsack, IMHO handled this badly, he's apologized to Ms. Sherrod and it's up to her to decide how to react to this messy incident.  SHE is the one who went through hell over this, and her "response" was handled with grace rather than with some hyped up Wrath that you and others insist he should use as a response to everything, day to day.

          I wish I could see more grace here rather than all the "fucking pushback" that is verbalized over and over, only because some of you seemingly want this President to fail.

          •  No, the President himself shouldn't (1+ / 0-)
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            have to fight all of these fights himself.

            The problem is the chickenshits working for him in the White House--people so timid that they not only thought burning this woman was brilliant strategery "heck of a job, Messina!" but now they're nixing a mere phone call from the President to this woman.

            Because they fear the political risk from having the President talking to someone Andrew Reichbart has deemed racist.

            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

            by Geekesque on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:37:07 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Those "chickenshits" you speak of (6+ / 0-)

              are probably following our President's lead.  

              I also believe he is NOT happy with how this event was handled by Vilsack and I would imagine Vilsack got an earful from Obama.

              It was a mess-up by everyone involved.  A sad event especially for Ms. Sherrod.  But I suspect this has been a lesson for all of them and they are clear that they never take anything for granted and do their homework.

              I'll bet the NAACP has learned a lesson as well.

              And you know what?  When all is said and done, Ms. Sherrod's story has been handed to all and is a positive lesson for all of us.  Temperance and transformation and grace.  

            •  BTW...Our President has spoken with Ms. Sherrod! (7+ / 0-)

              He called her and expressed regret for this terrible misunderstanding, hopes she will continue her good work....etc.

              His statement was just read on CNN.

              I felt sure he would call her.  I didn't want to assume he would, but I just knew.... ,)

              •  Good. (1+ / 0-)
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                I couldn't imagine he wouldn't--he really should fire the people who have been talking to the press the past few days--they are not serving him well.

                "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                by Geekesque on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:27:16 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  This mess has been (1+ / 0-)
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                  two years in the making because sloppy staff work is endemic to this White House with certain individuals the president hired during the transition. The screw ups are getting larger and people are paying more attention.  President Obama needs to shakeup a staff that operates from fear, it does not and will not serve him.  More importantly, he needs to make some folks find m,ore time to spend with their families.  Sloppy staff work brings down presidents - history is replete with the examples.

                  Every time history repeats itself, the price goes up...East Wing Rules

                  by Pithy Cherub on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:39:10 AM PDT

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          •  Stand up for black people. (1+ / 0-)
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            Stand against injustice against black people.  If she were white, would there have been a little more discussion, investigation>  I don't know. But a lot of us are waiting for the first black President to call a wrong a wrong when it is against a black person, and to stand up for black people. When is he going to do this, if not now?

  •  failure to control news cycle (1+ / 0-)
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    I think the Dems are doing a pretty good job since taking control jan 2009 - especially Pelosi but that's a different thread - however ....

    The White House has been absolutely incompetent when it comes to controlling the news cycle. The health insurance reform debate devolved into the tea baggers ranting pretty quickly (that may end up being good for us, ask after Nov). Rather than looking Presidential at the beginning of the BP fiasco the admin plays constant catchup debunking BS. The Reps are selling Wall St reform as 'job killing' which is ridiculous and the response is to ignore. And now they panic and manage to change the story from Breitbart lies (dog bits man) to 'WH panics and has to apologize'. Was this multi-d chess - bigger stink over RW lie machine? I don't think so.

    Except when they get a slow pitch over the plate, Joe B "I apologize", they've failed to seize control of any issue in advance. Reagan's handlers were the masters. Rove managed to start a war. The one Rove slip up (while he was in the hospital) was Bush looking out the window at NO after Katrina and that was so gigantic that it cost them.

    Obama's doing a good job. Stop playing catchup every news cycle. Axelrod needs to take his game up a few notches.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 08:59:16 AM PDT

  •  Tipped and Rec'd, but..... (4+ / 0-)

    yesterday, Big Ed was spewing forth with the same bullshit remarks that the WH/Obama was scared of FOX.  So I can't agree with you about Ed.  He loves the melodrama.

    Wonderful diary, and thanks.  ,)

    •  Ed has his moments, but he WILL call out FAUX (1+ / 0-)
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      which I think was my point. LOL

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      "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
      ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
      6/7/2010

      by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:07:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I guess he rubs me the wrong way... (4+ / 0-)

        I rarely watch MSNBC, though I was yesterday to grasp what was happening on cable news re Ms. Sherrod.  Every single time I click my remote to his segment I'm exasperated with him playing out the outrage-mode over something he believes Obama should or should not do.  So maybe I coincidentally tune in to him when he's in his rant-mode.

        I also think they can't call out FOX if they are playing with them.  Joe Scarborough certainly does, and I'm glad you called him on it.  I hope someone at MSNBC is reading you.  Joe is a Scab at that network, and it's obvious the network heads are entertained by his non-stop bull.

        I also don't care for Ratigan, Ed, Contessa [eyes-rolling here], Tamrin, and O'Donnell tends to get my goat, often.  I guess I'm going to have to be happy with Keith and Rachel and I get most of their reporting from their videos. And I miss David Shuster!  

        NVM me... it's obvious I have lost patience for what cable news has to offer.

  •  Obama and the WH are suppose to be (2+ / 0-)
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    the adults.  I refuse to let them off the hook for what they did to this good woman.  

    I don't belong to an organized party, I'm a democrat.

    by thestructureguy on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:06:46 AM PDT

    •  It's not YOUR decision to make (4+ / 0-)

      about letting them off the hook. That is Ms. Sherrod's decision. And somehow I doubt you really care about that good woman as much as you despise Obama and his administration.

      I can tell the difference. You aren't fooling anyone. Ms. Sherrod doesn't need your patronization - she will deal with the situation as SHE sees fit, just like Van Jones has chosen to deal with his resignation as HE SAW fit, not as those who despise Obama want him to act.

      •  perfectly put. (2+ / 0-)
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        President Obama isn't my boyfriend. He's also not the guy who f*cked you and never called back.

        by mallyroyal on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:52:55 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Would have to disagree somewhat. (0+ / 0-)

        I certainly agree that Obama wasn´t involved here. It was probably Vilsack and maybe some political figure in the WH who overreacted.

        However as the President it is his job to ensure that this doesn´t happen again. Perhaps by reminding the departments to follow a more "conventional" procedure? Someone is accused, put her on paid leave and investigate before firing someone?

        Especially considering the source here? Breitbart was also involved with the ACORN video, right? I wonder why  Vilsack didn´t consider that before acting?

        And the following is actually why I disagree with your take that this is just something about Ms. Sherrod:

        Breitbart, Fox News and "friends" have seen how easily they could get a public employee /political appointee fired.

        Consider the possible effect on other public employees. If you were tasked with - say - regulating companies (known to be close to Republicans), wouldn´t you want to know that your department will be loyal to you?

        As in, not firing you inside 24 hours over a manufactured (right-wing) media scandal? But actually taking the time to investigate what really happened?

        In my opinion this is the bigger thing. Reaching beyond Ms. Sherrod. Reassure other public employees /political appointees that it won´t happen again.
        Otherwise at least some of them probably might decide to use a "light touch approach" on certain companies. Simply out of fear of what might happen?

    •  Not that you are suggesting this (2+ / 0-)
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      but I think it needs to be said over and over.  

      I refuse to let the spouse beaters off the hook because the spouse reacts wrong and in a self-defeating way at times (a way that has been polished by 400 years of American history).  We have to nip it at the bud or the cycle continues.  We can't allow them to move on from abusing the admin to abusing some powerless family in Boise or the Bayou.  They need to stop what they are doing; we need to stop them; it is dangerous to this country.  If they can come after her and make her an instant racist to millions of her fellow citizens what do you think they can do to us?

  •  Not scared at all (5+ / 0-)

    According to an interview yesterday on on NPR, with Jonathan Alter (The Promise) he said he absolutely didn't believe there was any fear whatsoever. That the quick (too quick) reaction was because they hate distractions. They were trying to get the story off the news cycle quickly so the focus could go to the financial reform policies and some work they wanted to get noticed on energy. Unfortunately, it didn't work, and the distraction got even bigger and longer. 20/20 hindsight is always like that though.

    "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

    by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:12:31 AM PDT

    •  Yep, they were just aware of what WOULD happen (2+ / 0-)
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      if they didn't squash it quickly.

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      "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
      ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
      6/7/2010

      by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:13:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  to be fair, Alter counts on the White House to (1+ / 0-)
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      make a living ... so that he would say this is not revelatory.  

      That being said, I am more disappointed with NAACP, who really ought to know better.

    •  So just callous? (0+ / 0-)

      A woman's career is a distraction?

      It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

      by Grassee on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:39:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  In politics, yeah (1+ / 0-)
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        It's unfortunate, but that's what happens. In fact, when I first saw the clip yesterday, I thought to myself, "I am sure there's more to it than what I'm seeing, but at the end of the day that won't matter. The narrative has already been set."

        Remember ACORN? Those videos were heavily doctored, and that was proved pretty rapidly, but that's not the narrative anyone in the MSM remembers. If Sherrod hadn't been fired (which was the catalyst for that "closer look" that ultimately vindicated her), the story would have continued to play out within its right-wing frame and THAT would have been the story everyone remembered.

        "I can't come to bed yet! Someone is WRONG on the Internet!" - XKCD

        by SingularExistence on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:54:08 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The story people will remember (0+ / 0-)

          Interesting piece this morning at Poynter Online, outlining the history of the story, and suggesting different people will remember different narratives, depending on when the story first came to their attention
          http://www.poynter.org/...

          "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

          by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:06:03 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  I am sure other public employees and (0+ / 0-)

          political appointees will feel heartened and reassured by that.

          The US chamber of commerce probably will study it closely. If it worked once, then it might work again.
          A tough regulator overseeing your company? Just manufacture a media scandal and get him / her fired.
          With plausible deniability of course.

          How is that supposed to encourage better regulation / tougher oversight?

          And ACORN?
          If maybe the Democrats had insisted on a proper investigation instead of all falling over themselves to condemn ACORN in Congress....
          Since it was proven pretty rapidly....

          Not to mention that ACORN should have raised a red flag here. Same "video producer". Why did Vilsack not consider that?

  •  Here we go again. (2+ / 0-)
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    The White House Is Not "Scared" of FOX "News"

    Well then they're doing a helluva imitation.  

    and FOX "News" Is Not Innocent

    Gee, you don't say!  FOX was being FOX.  

    Why are people surprised?  

    Frankly, I don't care what Joe Scarborough has to say.  As a matter of fact, I don't care what any of the talking heads have to say.  

    None of us voted for any of them to be president.  My concern is that the White House, once again, threw a friend under the bus.

    Did Obama do it personally?  Of course not.  But he certainly is presiding over an administration that finds sticking a knife in a friend's back acceptable.  People take their cues from the top.  

    If Obama was serious, he'd fire Vilsack.  

    This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

    by ThAnswr on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:15:57 AM PDT

  •  I disagree. (5+ / 0-)

    The WH has clearly decided that the solution to race-baiting is to duck and cover.  They'll fight on bread and butter issues, but they insist on pretending that the race-baiting doesn't exist.

    I guess they're hoping it will just go away or something.  Heaven forbid they be divisive and call the George Wallace crowd out.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:17:03 AM PDT

  •  I don't necessarily agree (1+ / 0-)
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    Maybe fear, maybe not,but they did something that wsa irrational and stupid.  It wasn't fear as much as lack of spine.

    Welcome to the Big 10 Nebraska!

    by Gangster Octopus on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:18:27 AM PDT

  •  agree on point #2, but of course the WH is (2+ / 0-)
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    scared ... the Democratic MO the last twenty years has been "shoot the liberal".  

    The WH has referred to FOX as a propaganda outfit - but have not really spent a ton of time backing it up.  It sounds like a whiny non sequitur, and when news stories with a liberal twist put them in such a giant tizzy - it does not help.

    Sometimes one gets the sense that they govern almost entirely based on what the Brooks-Broder-Krauthammer cabal think about them ...

  •  Fox Noose: "We Distort; You Divide.®" eom (0+ / 0-)
  •  As Far As The WH "Not Being Afraid of FAUX"... (2+ / 0-)
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    you would have a hard time convincing Cent Uygur (The Young Turks) that thats the case.

    He was livid on today's show about the way the White House caves into FAUX.

    Hey Frank Luntz - What Should I Say To Make Myself Sound Like A Brainless Parrot?

    by hopalong on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:27:35 AM PDT

  •  What it all boils down to (1+ / 0-)
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    Fear.  And the fear is by the right wing extremists which includes Fox News, Limbaugh and his ilk, the Tea Party, etc.  It is projected that by 2050 that whites will not make up the majority in this country.  And with this shift will come a shift of power.  The right wing love to say that the reason that Obama was elected was because of "white guilt".  What they fail to see is that they are the one's who have this "white guilt".  They fear that once this shift of power comes, that "black racism" will be running rampant.  This is why they are floating this theory out there now.  That's basically what the Fox News entire network has been based on since Obama declared his intention to run for president.  So they are afraid that blacks will run the country and treat whites the way that whites had done to them for centuries.  Now why would they feel that way?  That is the ultimate of "white guilt".  

    "Children lack morality, but they also lack fake morality." Mignon McLaughlin

    by djbender on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:32:14 AM PDT

  •  Sorry, but... (4+ / 0-)

    Overly cautious = scared.

    Power is not sufficient evidence of truth. - Samuel Johnson

    by Knighterrant on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:32:15 AM PDT

    •  I have to agree. (1+ / 0-)
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      I've been generally happy and supportive of the Obama administration, but this was a f**k-up. They're scared of Fox and they're scared of dealing with anything related to race. I don't understand it. The beer summit, now this. Obama was right when he called the beer summit cop's behavior stupid. That should have been the end of it.  They should have ignored the Sherrod "controversy."

      Just follow the truth and act accordingly, which is what they do on most issues. Why they are so timid on race, especially phony Fox race issues, is beyond me. They should have taken away the White House press credentials of Fox News a year ago. Fox has had plenty of chances to show they are a legitimate news organization and they've proved the opposite every time. Enough already.

      "♪♪ It's a-gonna happen...someday ♪♪ You're gonna see things...my way!" Buddy Holly

      by Giles Goat Boy on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:43:46 AM PDT

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  •  the WH blew it big time, unless Vilsack decided (2+ / 0-)
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    to fire Sherrod without ever contacting anyone IN the WH...

    It seems, we, the BASE, have made the point that we dont like seeing them make bad decisions based on Breitbart BS and will be very vocal about it when they do that...

    and NOW the time is here to put this all BACK on the BSers...breitbart and FOX and it doesnt behoove us to continue to spank our own about this because there is NO UPSIDE in that for us and plenty of upside for the LIARS...breitbart and FOX

    the actions taken by vilsack were STUPID but the actions taken by breitbart and fox may well be CRIMINAL... at least in the civil court sense.

    "Republicans aren't the solution, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!"

    by KnotIookin on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:36:43 AM PDT

  •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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    This is not a book (Atlas Shrugged) to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown, with great force. - Dorothy Parker

    by edwardssl on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:37:45 AM PDT

  •  TPM makes a better point. . . (1+ / 0-)
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    here:  http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...

    Follow the money, baby!  Always.

    I voted for a 4-year Obama presidency.

    by Dailyfare on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:40:32 AM PDT

  •  Sorry. WH IS scared: ACORN, Van Jones, this. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Who voted to defund ACORN? (2+ / 0-)
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      since when the congressional democrats are part of the WH? Stop repeating leftwing talking points. Obama did not authorize or propose to defund ACORN. That was congress which included the most "progressive" democrats like Alan Grayson and Anthony Weiner!!! Why aren't you calling out Grayson and Weiner for their "betrayal" of ACORN?

  •  Why all other networks don't gang up on FOX (1+ / 0-)
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    is completely beyond me. They MUST be afraid, either that or they are in cahoots somehow.

    That said, it's nobody ELSE'S fault that Vilsak fired Sherrod without doing due diligence, especially when RW media was the primary source--they've been punked enough times to know much, much better than that. Sorry, no excuse.

    That said, they've worked to make it right with Sherrod.

    If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

    by rhetoricus on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:48:29 AM PDT

  •  Your One-Half Correct (2+ / 0-)
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    You are right that Fox News is to blame. They either willfully went along with the slander or purposely looked the other way when reporting about the edited video. Fox News should no longer be considered as a news organization but as an advocacy television organization.

    However, the reaction of the Obama Administration show that they really are intimidated by Fox News and of conservative critics. They are so eager to please and/or satisfy conservatives that they were willing to throw Sherrod, ACORN and others under the bus. This has serious consequences. The base of the Democratic Party is demoralized while conservatives are energized. Obama needs to step back and think about how his administration is going to turn things around. My suggestion is for him to start sticking up for his friends and standing up to his enemies. Being able to apologize to Sherrod was a first good step.

  •  Damn... (0+ / 0-)

    ...guess that's it for my Hannity & Kos idea.

  •  "too much caution"? That is cowardice (2+ / 0-)
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    Yes, the WH behaved cowardly.  

    Yes, they are afraid of being targeted by the right.  

    Yes, Obama and his lackeys in the administration or weak willed fools who won't hesitate to throw innocent people under the bus to appease the right-wing.  

    No, your denial won't change those facts.

    This country does not have the luxury to entertain idiocy as if it is reasonable. --Digby

    by Thought Crime on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:49:06 AM PDT

  •  Wait a minute. (2+ / 0-)
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    You are excusing the White House for failing to check the source of the video and just jumping to a conclusion? If I was the President Robert Gibbs would be out of a job today for not making sure everyone knew the the scum Brietbart was a lying scum goat blowing loser.

    Sarah Palin makes my common sense hurt.

    by jbou on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:49:52 AM PDT

  •  You tuned into Joe because (0+ / 0-)

    of Mika.  She fakes smart real good and she's rather MILF-y.

  •  Judging by media coverage (1+ / 0-)
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    It's obvious that 95% of all media bots simply assume what they report may or may not be true, and it is up to those who act upon the media's reporting to confirm the veracity that reporting.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:52:41 AM PDT

  •  They're working their asses off (1+ / 0-)
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    They are trying so hard to make race an issue in the next couple of years.

    I just think we have to do a really good job of not allowing ourselves to be slung around by their BS.  

    That includes the administration.  

    Unfortunately, the issue will become the people they want to see go instead of the actual policies that they want to enact.  

    I just think that the WH doesn't want to make this a mudslinging match.  

    It's the old line: When you argue with idiots...  Shit, I forgot the rest.

    I always wanted to be in one of your fuckin' plays.

    by otto on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 09:57:16 AM PDT

  •  The media's role, and what it all means (5+ / 0-)

    The expected media meta begins.

    From TPM

    Or what about the Fox News? To use to terminology of infectious disease, Fox was the primary vector of this story. And to the best of my knowledge, there's been not only no disciplining of anyone in the news room but as far as I can see no retraction, apology (with the exception of a semi-retraction, on a personal basis, from Bill O'Reilly) or even discussion of their primary role in an obvious smear. The only 'press criticism' I've seen is this piece by my friend Howard Kurtz which can't be called anything but a white-wash, even including a self-serving internal email leaked from Fox about taking a careful, thoughtful approach to the story. (My god!)

    Over at Poynter

    We're charting how the shorthand of a story changes as it moves among the blogosphere, traditional news sites and government agencies, becoming a simplified narrative that lasts long after everyone has forgotten what the story was about in the first place.

    Here are some of the waves of this story, along with the undercurrents. When you meet someone in the coming months or weeks and they say, "Oh, I remember Shirley Sherrod," this may help you figure out what story they're remembering.

    And one commenter to the latter notes that there is still a major missing piece to this whole story.
    Whether it was already edited, or not; how did Breitbart come to have that tape?

    "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

    by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:03:30 AM PDT

    •  they wont answer that question (2+ / 0-)
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      carmenjones, lightshine

      It will make it easier for them to cue up the next lie.

      Fox News is America's Radio Rwanda

      by Adept2u on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:52:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  He should be asked it... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...and asked it...
        ...and asked it again.

        Sometimes the truth has a way of coming out anyway.

        "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

        by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:06:34 AM PDT

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        •  Yes! I think we DO need the answer (2+ / 0-)
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          to that question.  This morning on ABC (actually the newsbreak that's part of Good Morning America), I noticed that the newsreader carefully stated in covering this story that "a YouTube video" was the source for the remarks by Mrs. Sherrod.  I yelled at the tv set!  That video was made by SOMEBODY--it did not just pop up out of the ether onto YouTube OR Breitbart's blog.  

          WHY is the "media" being allowed (thus far anyway) to get away with not investigating the actual source of that foxed-up video?!  Somebody screwed around with it to make it say what they wanted said.  So, WHO was it?  I think one of the ways to stop this kind of nonsense is to go after who is specifically creating and then planting this propaganda.  I will give McClatchy "some" credit because in their newspaper article covering this, they did at least attribute the video to "a conservative blog".  It still infuriates me, however, that even that wording is a careful avoidance of Breitbart OR his filthy blog.  

          One additional question the spouse and I were chewing over this AM is:  WHY are the trad. media refusing to tell the flat out truth on these stories and instead resorting to this very careful wording?  WHO/WHAT is behind this?  Somebody or something has them terrified of being truthful in their coverage.  And as long as that continues, we are going to have political manipulation of the media to take down any politician who poses a threat to somebody/something in this country.  Watching Jake Tapper, Chuck Todd, Major Garrett, and that little dweeb from CNN (whose name escapes me at the moment) at the Daily Press Briefing yesterday with their smirking, arrogant behavior towards Gibbs made me feel sick.  They have NOTHING to be smirking or arrogant about given their blatant failure and that of their networks to do their jobs.

          You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both. ~ Louis Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:07:19 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Breaking: Obama has called Shirley; and spoke (4+ / 0-)

    7 minutes with her---encouraging her to come back and continue her work.  NBC

  •  You people have lost your fricken minds. (2+ / 0-)
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    The White Houses initial reaction to this was indefensible and demonstrated a fear of the right wing media machine that is one of the number one problems with this country.

    The one sentence argument does not change that, but since the title declares Obama's not afraid of Fox (when either he or many of the people who work very closely with him clearly are) you all need to flood and and declare 'thank you thank you thank you.'

    Yes, this the focus should obviously be on the right wing media machine's ability to create fake news, but to insinuate the Administration is not fearful of these news cycles flies in the face of what is sitting on your fucking noses.

    Stop this.  Seriously, stop this.  So many of you are suffering from severe cultish tendencies that it's scaring me every bit as much as the Administration is afraid of Fox News.

  •  wow, the GOP has won big-time (1+ / 0-)
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    quagmiremonkey

    I find this perspective just flabbergasting.

    So, I can understand why the WH-- or whomever-- wanted to get in front of the story before it got out of control. That's not FEAR, that's just recognizing how FAUX and the media in general operates.

    and

    I don't think the WH was "scared" I think they were being overly cautious because they've seen how people in the so-called "liberal" press have been treating them since the damn election. They aren't STUPID. This time they may have jumped the shark, but if the full video had never been released, if Mrs. Sherrod had never stood up for herself, if those White farmers had never come out and praised her, how much do you want to bet people like Joe Scaroborugh and the rest of his idiot panel would have been talking about how politically smart it was to get out in front of the story?

    The functioning of government is a story? How upper management treats employees is best determined by worrying what pundits like Joe Scarborough might say? Investigating the situation is irrelevant?

    We are the party that believes in good governance. We are the party that believes in worker rights. We are the party that says we are the adults. We are the party that offers an alternative to the pointless punditry of cable blowhards.

    Aren't we?

  •  Is there any wonder why "Morning Joke"... (0+ / 0-)

    ...is suffering badly in the ratings? When will MSNBC finally recognize that you can't compete against Fox by presenting Fox lite programming. I say yank the lowly-rated "Morning Joke" and replace it with programming that could make MSNBC as successful in the morning as it is in the evening with the excellent programs presented by Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. My suggestion: how about a morning show with Sam Sedar as a main host with contributions from the likes of Katrina Vanden Heuvel (I hope I spelled her name right) among others.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by alaprst on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:21:56 AM PDT

  •  The White House totally caved (4+ / 0-)
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    As a friend said, Obama is responsible for "enabling a culture of cowardice within the administration."

    Breitbart is an ass, but the bigger jerks are the people who KNEW what he is capable of and reacted like spineless cowards.

    What? Every time a right-wing pundit says, "Boo!" the White House jumps three feet? Give me a break.

    It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -- Thomas Jefferson

    by AtlantaJan on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:27:55 AM PDT

    •  You realize, of course, that lots of people... (0+ / 0-)

      .
       . . . are going to have conniptions over, about, regarding your comment.

       I think you overstate it, a bit.  But I would like to see the White House "prove you wrong" over the coming months, and years.

      .

      "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

      by BenGoshi on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:32:46 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  thank you (2+ / 0-)
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    GN1927, Muzikal203

    this is a great post.

  •  President calls Sherrod (1+ / 0-)
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    BenGoshi

    From TPM:

    READOUT OF PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CALL WITH SHIRLEY SHERROD

    The President reached Ms. Sherrod by telephone at about 12:35. They spoke for seven minutes.

    The President expressed to Ms. Sherrod his regret about the events of the last several days. He emphasized that Secretary Vilsack was sincere in his apology yesterday, and in his work to rid USDA of discrimination.

    The President told Ms. Sherrod that this misfortune can present an opportunity for her to continue her hard work on behalf of those in need, and he hopes that she will do so.

    (emphasis mine)

    What patronizing pabulum of a response!  Sherrod knows more about turning misfortune into opportunity than Axelrod and Gibbs could imagine knowing.  If this is indeed President Obama's tone, he blew it bigtime.

    Can I say it? This comes off as the rhetoric of a white do-nothing liberal.  Some of you folks are old enough to know what I mean by that.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:32:34 AM PDT

    •  What did you want him to say? (11+ / 0-)

      He didn't have anything to do with the entire episode.  That she got a call from the president and her entire miscarriage of justice reversed in just 72 hours is a fraking miracle.  If that full video tape had not existed the edited breitbart lie would still be running on continous loop by fox and the rest of the MSM would be talking even mmore about obama's racial problem.  LIKE THEY ARE WITH THE NEW BLACK PANTHER LIE.

      Fox News is America's Radio Rwanda

      by Adept2u on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:50:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And personally, I didn't think he needed to call (0+ / 0-)

        her at all.

        -------
        "This is no time for fancy pants!!"
        ~Stephen Colbert on Obama's Attire During Gulf Visit
        6/7/2010

        by Muzikal203 on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:43:46 PM PDT

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      •  It is his government! (0+ / 0-)

        He´s the President, he´s politically (not personally) responsible for everything happening in his government. The buck stops here, or something like that.

        He nominated Vilsack. Therefore he is politically responsible if Vilsack commits a mistake.

        Unless of course he asks someone to resign. The person responsible for the overreaction for example?
        If he doesn´t ask anyone to resign he seems to be in agreement on how they handled the situation?

        And that the "entire miscarriage of justice reversed in just 72 hours" sadly isn´t due to the Obama government.
        It would be due to them if they had said:
        "We´ll investigate, we´ll put her on paid leave in the meantime."

        Unfortunately the administration (some people in there) pressured her to resign at once. Without even asking her what actually happened.
        They only reversed course once some media investigated.

        •  Hmm, (0+ / 0-)

          so fire someone else because of the right wingers lies?  I think there has been enough firing and firing someone else just gives them (False News and Bribrat) more credibility.

          •  No (0+ / 0-)

            ...to fire someone else because they didn't do due diligence with the report from Breitbart and FoxNews.  They did not discount the source but were terrified of the "distraction".  They let FoxNews stampede them into hasty action.  And now FoxNews gets to question his judgment for believing them.

            Yes, he needs to fire someone. Otherwise this sort of miscalculation will happen again and again.  I'm not sure who it is but is was the staffer who was leaning on Vilsack to fire her.

            50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

            by TarheelDem on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:43:05 PM PDT

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      •  Certainly not the cheerleading language (0+ / 0-)

        ...that treats her like she is a child who needs to know about life.

        Even if he said it and she graciously thanked him for his advice, that is not the language that you put in a press release.

        What some folks don't understand is that Shirley Sherrod and her husband are civil rights heroes on a par with John Lewis, who they know, and Julian Bond, who they know.  She knows from her life experience how to deal with misfortune and doesn't need someone much younger than her telling her how to do it.  Even if he is the first African-American President of the United States.  Her actions in the 1960s help him become the first African-American President of the United States.  Heck, they helped the folks in Georgia to be able to vote for him.

        And if he didn't say it, whoever was responsible for the press release should be fired.

        If that full video tape had not existed, there would be some courageous people who were there making sure that folks got the real story.

        The White House has to stop being driven by FoxNews and Politico.  This should be the moment to kick FoxNews out of the White House press pool.  But our media is too compromised to do it.

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:38:40 PM PDT

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  •  The truth remains (4+ / 0-)

    McClatchy:

    WASHINGTON — Despite his hopes of ushering in a new post-racial era for the country, President Barack Obama's administration is struggling to recover from a self-inflicted wound that threatens once again to cloak the White House in the politics of race.

    This time, his administration was forced to apologize Wednesday to a black woman it had fired the day before after hastily accepting a smear from a conservative website that used selectively edited video to accuse her of racism against a white farmer.

    Apparently fearing conservative attacks that it was anti-white, the administration of the nation's first black president rushed to dismiss her without asking to see the rest of the video or waiting to learn other facts about her.

    Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/...

    And it is the second time, the WH jumped the gun.

    Yes, the right wing media is a shame and a disgrace, we know that. How come the White House doesn't know that?

    This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

    by Agathena on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:39:32 AM PDT

    •  Damage control instead of actually (1+ / 0-)
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      addressing the issue.  I posted above that the White House needs to take control of any situation such as the one above and push back HARD. Ignoring it or going into damage control mode simply emboldens the Breitbarts, Faux News, etc.  They KNOW that they are lying and they do not care.  They are using their lies to divide us and it is up to the White House to stop this vicious cycle of lies by calling them out quickly and forcefully. The White House does more harm than good by ignoring them or going into political damage control.  

    •  Wow, Aren't We Trigger Happy! (0+ / 0-)

      Now, we are jumping the gun and blaming the president for firing her when the head of the Dept. of Ag and the WH press sec. said the WH didn't force her to resign.  

      •  You are "putting words in our mouths" (0+ / 0-)

        because no one blamed President Obama or mentioned the word "firing" or "the president."  Those are your words.

        The article wrote "Obama administration, accepted a smear."

        I wrote "WH jumped the gun"

        gulfgal wrote "White House needs to take control"

        Thanks for reading.

        This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

        by Agathena on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:43:47 PM PDT

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  •  Not cowards, either stupid or catering to racists (0+ / 0-)

    Breitbart's sort of race-baiting is at least as old as Reagan, and his sort of character smear is timeless, so why did the WH bite?

    Either they don't understand political history in this country, including the way things have worked even in recent years -- and thus were blind sided by everyday BS --

    or

    They have an established strategy of exploiting right wing propaganda to reach out to white racists -- see, we're against "reverse racism" just as much as you are!

    Given the President's emphasis on bipartisanship, i.e. embracing right wing policies and values, and given the assumption that liberal voters are too frightened of the GOP and in love with the POTUS to withhold their support, they may feel that peeling off some of the worst of conservative voters might pay off in tight races.

    "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." Barack Obama

    by quagmiremonkey on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 10:46:27 AM PDT

  •  Morning Joe (1+ / 0-)
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    I too tend to tune in.  I'm usually in the bathroom getting ready for work screaming, Oh, fuck you, Joe!  I do like many of the people he as on.  But then again, most of them just go along with Joe.  It almost like they're afraid of him.  And his calling on Pat Buchanan to back up his point about gives me a heart attack. Thankful to all of you wonderful fellow liberals, Ed, Keith, Rachel, and many more voices of reason.

    PS Andrew Breitbart must not get away with this anymore.

  •  Thank you Muzi. Thank you (8+ / 0-)

    for this. The media is just as culpable. And as for the outraged Mr. Scarborough, one only need look at the tape the day before, put them side by side and see where he falls. He is a hypocrite, plain and simple. He is a Republican talking point through and through, who pretends to me in the middle. He doesn't fool me.

    But to the media. This is its M.O. over and over again.

    Let's just take the oil spill. The oil was spilling in the gulf daily, and it was mostly being reported by local media. I live on the gulf coast and so I followed the news on the spill in its initial days. It was hardly on the so-called mainstream media's radar. One night on ABC, it was not even the lead story for Diane Sawyer.

    In fact, it was around the time of the elections when all the wise guys were railing about how the Murtha seat in Pennsylvania was going to be a referendum on the Democratic party. When the Republican lost his bid, the media went silent.

    Then it was on to Elana Kagan for a bit. When that died down, the frevor of the gulf spill began. Everyone wanted president Obama to don a set suit, fly to the top of the Empire State building, stand up there, beat his chest and dive from there straight into the gulf and stop the leak. It was Outrage dujour.

    And with this tape, yes, the White House deserves some criticism, but to make it the villian is beyond me. The media never mind, did not do its job vetting this guys claim. Instead they went to the White House for a reaction. When will the media do the right thing and own up to its own faults?

    The men and women who make up this media, did the same thing with the Iraq war, and to date no honorable person have stepped up to man up to his or her mistakes.

    If the media cannot be humble to admit its mistakes, why should anyone put any trust at all in it?

    The people who make up the media don't have to worry about me. I have no respect for them, except for a few, and I mean very few.

    •  Thanks Africa... (5+ / 0-)

      For your comment.  I would like to add something that I read on TPM today by Josh Marshall...

      It sums this whole thing up for me, especially the reaction to the story on Kos.

      Still, you just have to back up from that and realize that as disappointing as Tom Vilsack's first crack at this was, the idea that he or Obama is the bad guy in this story is not only preposterous but verging on obscene.

      Obama Derangement Syndrome on the left is a really ugly thing to witness.

  •  The WH was scared to DEATH of Fox (3+ / 0-)
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    according to Sherrod herself:

    In interviews, Sherrod has said that department undersecretary Cheryl Cook phoned her on Monday and told her the White House wanted her to resign.

    Sherrod said Cook told her the story would be mentioned on the cable show hosted by Fox News network conservative commentator Glenn Beck, a harsh White House critic.

    If Ms. Sherrod was straight up on this, and I have every reason to believe she was, well, Fox was quite simply the stated reason for her firing.

    I love your stuff, Muzikal, but we don't see this particular point the same way.

    This is America. Huge multinationals choose our political officials here.

    by thenekkidtruth on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 11:23:25 AM PDT

    •  Did It Cross Your Mind (1+ / 0-)
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      that the person telling Ms.Sherrod that it was the WH that wanted her fired could have been trying to pass the blame onto the WH.  Thus, making her seem like a good person and not have any role in her firing.  Especially since the head of the Dept. of Ag and the WH press sec. said the WH didn't force her to resign.

      •  No it didn't. Nor would it. (0+ / 0-)

        I don't engage in pie-in-the-sky theories which are no more than sheer conjecture baseless in any form of fact.

        I still believe Ms. Sherrod is telling it to us straight.

        Also, facts seem to belie your assertions.  Vilsack and the WH both took responsibility for firing Ms. Sherrod:

        Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack this afternoon took responsibility for firing an official, Shirley Sherrod, whose appearance  on video recalling her behavior toward a white farmer drew charges of racism, and whose immediate firing drew suggestions  that the administration had over-reacted to an edited video clip.

        A White House official told me just now that the White House backs Vilsack's decision -- but that it was Vilsack's alone.

        This is America. Huge multinationals choose our political officials here.

        by thenekkidtruth on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 02:24:45 PM PDT

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  •  I don't think you have to convince anyone here (0+ / 0-)

    that Joe Scarborough is full of shit.

    He also went on to try to claim that FOX "News" was an innocent party because they didn't start playing the video on a loop live on air until AFTER she was fired.

    There's a mosque in my town. But I face every day with courage, even though my life is obviously in constant peril.

    by VictorLaszlo on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 12:14:55 PM PDT

  •  Lesson learned (2+ / 0-)
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    Secretary Vilsack in his press conference:

    SECRETARY VILSACK: I saw a transcript, because I was out of the office. I was in Ohio. I saw a transcript.

    QUESTION (CBS Evening News): Was that of the full speech, or was that the clip from the website?

    SECRETARY VILSACK: No, no, it wasn't a full speech. It was just of a portion of it.

    snip

    SECRETARY VILSACK: Sure. We went through a process today of reviewing precisely as best we could what took place, and there will be changes. One thing is there needs to be a more deliberative process, obviously, and I need to do a better job of reaching out to get input before a decision of this magnitude is made. That is a very serious lesson I learned.

    The first quote Vilsack reveals that he a quick decision based on a transcript of an edited video and didn't reach out to Shirley Sherrod for the full context.

    That second quote, about getting input, can be paraphrased as Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahm!

    Other departments in the Obama administration have now been aware informally how this deliberative process will work in the future.

    It would be ideal if each department could focus exclusively on creating and implementing policy. But as long as we have FOX, as a fourth wing of government, each department has to be on guard for gutter politics.

    The right accuses Obama of always campaigning. When the fact is, they are always campaigning.

    Every time Cheney and his daughter pop up, every time Rove appears to say ignorance like BP is Obama's Katrina, every time Breitbart pulls a prank, they are campaigning.

    The GOP doesn't go negative, they stay negative.

  •  The White House made a mistake. (1+ / 0-)
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    A sincere apology was made and was graciously accepted.

    That's all. This incident is not the end of life as we know it.

  •  Nice Post and I Agree. (0+ / 0-)

    But what people are failing to understand is there is no evidence that the WH had her fired.  Ms. Sherrod said someone said that someone in the WH wanted her to go.  Isn't it possible the person that told Ms. Sherrod that was trying to pass the blame on the WH and avoid taking any blame for her firing?  The head of the Dept. of Ag and the WH Press Sec. both said the WH didn't have anything to do with her being fired.  Now, the NAACP and the Dept. of Ag. did jump the gun. But,I'm not going to jump the gun and believe more of False News lies and distortions until evidence is produced that the WH was responsible.

  •  How about Fox's Feigned Outrage? (3+ / 0-)

    I could not believe my eyes and ears yesterday, seeing all those IDIOT Fox broadcasters reacting as though this was the first time they'd ever heard of Ms. Sherrod, and how terrible it was that "someone" spread a falsehood about her, and (this was the kicker) why the NAACP, USDA, and other news organizations hadn't double-checked?

    I mean, I know they're reprehensible, but the fact that so many people watch it every single day and don't see this obvious duplicity. I mean, not 24 hours had passed!

    Incredible!

  •  I'm with you on this Muzikal203. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    God is good. If it isn't good. It isn't God.

    by publicv on Thu Jul 22, 2010 at 01:42:19 PM PDT

  •  Scarborough can't help it. He's an arrogant fool. (0+ / 0-)

    He was born that way, and he was born lucky. That's the only way to explain how he can sit on his ass and make millions a year by spewing utter drivel.

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