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The Turkish military has just struck targets in Syria hours ago in the most serious international escalation in the 19 month old Syrian conflict. Turkey said it was striking back after shells from Syria killed at least 5 Turkish civilians. Al Jazeera English is reporting:
Turkish military strikes targets inside Syria

Retaliation follows mortar attack from Syrian territory that killed family of five in border town of Akcakale.
Last Modified: 03 Oct 2012 21:51

Turkish armed forces have launched artillery attacks against Syria in response to a mortar attack which killed five members of the same family in southeastern Turkey.

In a statement on Wednesday, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey's prime minister, said the attacks, carried out following radar tracking, were within the rules of engagement.

Separately, Bulent Arinc, deputy prime minister, said: "There has been an attack on Turkey's mainland and its citizens lost their lives. There is definitely a response to it in international law ... We are not blinded by rage but we will protect our rights to the end in the face of such an attack on our soil that killed our people

Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons, reporting from Antakya on the Turkish-Syrian border, said Arinc's mention of "certain responsibilities" contained within NATO treaty articles, could mean that Turkey responded without consulting international bodies first.

Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state,  quickly condemned the attack, which struck a house in the border town of Akcakale.

US 'outraged'

Clinton said the White House was "outraged" by the "very dangerous situation" created by the attack.

Turkey has agreed to convene an urgent meeting of NATO members in Brussels to discuss the shelling.

The meeting of NATO ambassadors falls under Article 4 of the NATO charter which provides for consultations when a member state feels its territorial integrity, political independence or security is under threat.

At the meeting, currently under way, Al Jazeera's Simmon said Turkey may argue it was "fully entitled to respond" in the manner in which it did.

Witnesses said policemen have also been injured in the shelling, which originated only kilometres away from the Syrian border.

Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey's foreign minister, briefed Ban Ki-Moon, UN chief, on the situation shortly word of the attack reached Ankara.

Though this the mortar attack marks the third instance of Syrian gunfire or artillery reaching Turkish territory, it is the "first time Turkey has actively become involved" in the situation, our correspondent said.

Calling it a "very serious escalation", he said the last time there was such tension between the neighbouring countries was when a Turkish war plane was downed in June.

However, Turkey did not retaliate in that instance. More...

More, Later...

Romandie is reporting the the Assad regime has opened an inquiry to figure out where their mortar shells came from. This is the Google Translates version:

Syria investigate the origin of the fire at the Turkish border

DAMASCUS - Syria has opened an investigation into the origin of a cross-border shelling that killed five Turkish territory, announced Wednesday the Syrian Minister of Information, Omran Zoabi, in a statement quoted by television Syria's official.

The parties are currently investigating the origin of fire against Turkey, said the minister. Syria expresses its sincere condolences to the families and friends, the Turkish people, he said.

Turkey has responded to the shot came from Syrian territory. NATO, which Turkey is a member, held in the evening in Brussels for an emergency meeting at the request of Ankara, and its support for Turkey.

Turkish-Syrian border is long, and Syria requires cooperation to control the border, said the Syrian Minister of Information.

Mr Zoabi reiterated statements of Damascus that Syria supported by fighting terrorists abroad. Syria has repeatedly accused Ankara train and finance groups of armed opposition to the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.

There are foreign groups who pose a danger not only to the Syrian national security, but also to regional security, said the Syrian minister.

Without formally accusing the rebels of shelling in Turkish territory, Mr Zoabi said: We call that the border is controlled and that the rebels are prevented from (the) cross.

(© AFP / October 4, 2012 0:04)

8:11 PM PT: Like everyone else, I took a break to watch the debate, and on that subject, I thought that it would have been good if someone had pointed out that if Obama looked a little tired and off his game, it may be because he is POTUS and as such he probably had a planned afternoon of debate prep interrupted by this small matter of hostilities breaking out between Syria and Turkey, which meant, at a minimum, he needed to consult on an emergency NATO meeting and an emergency UN meeting. Nobody at ABC News connected those dots. I don't know about other commentators.

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  •  I Say Good For Turkey (2+ / 0-)
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    Clay Claiborne, defluxion10

    Syria asked for it.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 03:19:53 PM PDT

  •  Also posted as a diary (10+ / 0-)

    Here.

    I hope the State Dept gets to the bottom of this quickly so the nincompoop jerkbags in Mittens' advisory circle don't decide to make too much hay about it.  This is just another reminder of why we have to defeat Romney - we could have Wolfowitze and Perle responding to all of this right now.

    I hate hate. I love the look in peoples eyes when they realize, for the first time, that they have power.

    by 4democracy on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 03:22:31 PM PDT

  •  It's not our business (0+ / 0-)

    But hope Turkey provides an appropriate counterweight to Iran out there.

    http://callatimeout.blogspot.com/

    by DAISHI on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 03:24:15 PM PDT

  •  They hit Israel a few days back . (1+ / 0-)
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    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 03:30:41 PM PDT

  •  at the al jazeera link (8+ / 0-)

    they changed a sentence recently to clarify:

    from this:

    Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state,  quickly condemned the attack, which struck a house in the border town of Akcakale.
    to this:
    Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state,  quickly condemned the initial attack from the Syrian side of the border, which struck a house in the border town of Akcakale.

    Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

    by OLinda on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 03:34:47 PM PDT

    •  Yes. I'm wondering why this diary misleadingly (3+ / 0-)
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      emphasizes in its headline that Syria experienced an "attack." Uh, given Syria initiated the violence, I would think it's more accurate to suggest that Syria experienced retaliation.

      •  headline accurate, initial attackers unknown (1+ / 0-)
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        Quicklund

        but Turkey not reckless enough to attack blindly I bet, altho political pressures to respond building no doubt....maybe leading to conclusion jumping.

        Radar tracking can tell where shells came from, shoot and run would be the mo of the mortar team, they know their shells can be tracked, a rebel unit trying to stage a false Syrian regime attack would get as close to a regime position as possible.

        This machine kills Fascists.

        by KenBee on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:46:12 PM PDT

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        •  Turkey did not ATTACK Syria (2+ / 0-)
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          Quicklund, mickT

          Turkish forces shelled an area inside Syria from where a single mortar shell was fired, and which struck inside Turkey.

          Don't get me wrong—i recced the diary. But there's an important distinction that is being missed here.

          All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

          by subtropolis on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:51:29 PM PDT

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          •  hyperbole on dkos?!!! Say it ain't so!! (1+ / 0-)
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            yes agreed, headline a stretch but technically accurate.

            And I think it was more than a single shell this time and the time before that....but I wasn't there..

            This machine kills Fascists.

            by KenBee on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:30:42 PM PDT

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          •  Turkey shelling Syria land, people and buildings (0+ / 0-)

            and official military is attacking Syria...what is your point, it wasn't THAT big an attack, ok...unless you were the one shelled. Thankfully we weren't.

            That it wasn't an attack but a response or self defense?...ok, that hair is split.

            This machine kills Fascists.

            by KenBee on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:37:34 PM PDT

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    •  an important dam update (3+ / 0-)
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      Western officials, from Anders Fogh Rasmussen, NATO secretary-general, to Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state,  quickly condemned the initial attack from the Syrian side of the border, which struck a house in the border town of Akcakale.

      Al J report said Turkey told UN secy if they did it again they would respond..apparently they feel they know who did it from radar tracking of the shells.

      Altho Syrian regime says to suspect the rebels, Turkey has responded as if it was the Assad military, if that tweet means anything.
       

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:31:56 PM PDT

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    •  Thank you for the clarification (2+ / 0-)
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      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Love one another

      by davehouck on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:39:51 PM PDT

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  •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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    good thing I went to Turkey on vacation back in August when stuff wasn't even this far escalated.  And I was in Istanbul or Bodrum the entire 10 days, so sitting pretty on the western side.

    #RomneyRyan2012: Because one white, rich, male Republican asshole is never enough.

    by mconvente on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:11:14 PM PDT

  •  Sorry, not buying it (4+ / 0-)

    without a lot of hard evidence.  Reeks of FSA false flag.  Assad may be criminal, but he's not suicidal.

    •  There is also incompetence on the ground (4+ / 0-)
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      You shoot near a border; you shoot over the border. It all depends on where you think the border is. If you are incompetent, you might shoot into neutral territory. It happens.

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:24:24 PM PDT

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      •  And rebel groups are on both sides (2+ / 0-)
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        of the border.  If there was a rebel group attacking from beyond the border Syria would be within their rights to attack them.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:32:08 PM PDT

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        •  Not really. (1+ / 0-)
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          That's the tough thing about borders. They matter. Syria is finding that out now.

          For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

          by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:46:38 PM PDT

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          •  Not really what? (1+ / 0-)
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            There are definitely rebel groups that have crossed the border.  And if people are actively attacking from across the border then Syria totally has a right to attack across the border.  If they just know people are there it's a different matter.  I also don't have any information on whether that what happened, but if a country is being attacked then they are totally within their rights under international law to attack back.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:50:18 PM PDT

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            •  fog of war (0+ / 0-)

              Turkey has made clear it will not tolerate any further shooting across its frontier. Whether someone on the Turkish side shot first is beside the point.

              All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

              by subtropolis on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:53:52 PM PDT

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            •  Not really. They do. But it's not. (1+ / 0-)
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              You don't get to fire on the nationals of another country because someone you are fighting is located there. I know lots of countries do this, including us. But it's actually illegal. It may be understandable. The correct thing to do is to protest to the country you have a problem with, ask them to prevent the cross-border incursions, do everything you can to stop cross-border traffic, and then do the following calculation:

              1. Can the other country retaliate?
              2. Are they much bigger and stronger than my country?
              3. Is there much to be gained by firing on that other country?
              4. Is there anything you can offer to the other country to get their assistance?

              If the answer to 1 & 2 is YES, you might just want to suck it up. If the answer to  1, 2 & 4 is YES then you should probably get the foreign ministers talking. If the answer to 3 is NO, then it really isn't worth worrying about. You get the idea. But personally, I don't see Syria going out of its way to piss off the Turks. I am think a ground commander exceeded his authority by a ways. Think Doug Mac in Korea.

              For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

              by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:15:57 PM PDT

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              •  I think the ground commander is a likely (0+ / 0-)

                culprit.  However I can't for a second believe that mortars being lobbed across the border from Turkey wouldn't be a valid reason to retaliate.  Does international law really say that you aren't allowed to do anything if you're being attacked?  That just seems like prima facie wrong, although, it's been a while since I've looked at international law.

                The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                by AoT on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:30:46 PM PDT

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                •  There's a time-honored path (0+ / 0-)

                  for nations to deal with these things. But I agree; this was likely a fog of war thing.

                  For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

                  by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 06:22:33 PM PDT

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          •  So let me get this straight: (0+ / 0-)

            The Syrian Army is incompetent and shoots over the Syrian borders repeatedly -- but the FSA never does?

            •  I'd consider it less likely (0+ / 0-)

              Mainly because there aren't Syrian forces across the Turkish Border while there are FSA forces, or allies.  And the FSA tends to be backed up against the border rather than Syrian Forces being against the border.  That makes it pretty unlikely in my mind the shells coming from Syria are the FSA, unless it's some conspiracy to get Turkey involved, which is possible.

              The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

              by AoT on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:11:30 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  What does that matter? (0+ / 0-)

              The FSA isn't a government. I know that's painful if you are an Assad supporter but nations have to follow rules that rebels don't.

              For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

              by Anne Elk on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:17:28 PM PDT

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        •  Then Syria is certainly in its rights to massacre (0+ / 0-)

          Its own people, Isn't it?

          Syria is certainly "within their rights", to use your happy phase, to do this on its side of the border.

          You Assad apologists hand me a laugh.

          Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

          by Clay Claiborne on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:54:12 PM PDT

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        •  No evidence of that (1+ / 0-)
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          I do not recall any claims of fire from Turkey bombarding parts of Syria. That'd been likely to make the news since this did.

          Also the Syrian mortar round seemed to land in the middle of s residential urban area. Not a likely place to set up a mortar team for the purposes of cross-border war-making. So the idea this was counter-battery fire is unfounded and unlikely enough to be rejected for more plausible scenarios. Just sayin'.

    •  Which side has something to gain by going rogue (2+ / 0-)
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      ...and lobbing a mortar backwards at Turkey?


      A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

      by Pluto on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:25:05 PM PDT

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      •  both blaming the other (0+ / 0-)

        I'll say Turkey probably has better intel than we do here :> and also intense internal political pressure to strike back at somebody.
          I'll believe Turkey for now, with so much at stake, I don't think they would be that reckless. We'll see...

        This machine kills Fascists.

        by KenBee on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:35:05 PM PDT

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        •  Turkey's intel? (1+ / 0-)
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          mickT

          Remind me, would you: How did it handle that Turkish airplane that crashed in Syria several weeks ago?

          •  don't know, but are you saying they (0+ / 0-)

            aren't paying intel attention and are stupidly responding just to shut up internal pressures to strike back NOW DAMIT?

            That assertion would be a stretch..but shells from Syria do put Turkey in a rock and a hard place..as all three or four or however many parties and their individual agendas well know.

            This machine kills Fascists.

            by KenBee on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:45:28 PM PDT

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      •  Probably neither (1+ / 0-)
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        Claudius Bombarnac

        Probably one mortar team was turned 90 degress off what they thought and dropped a bomb down the tube.

    •  No he's that suicidal his troops have (2+ / 0-)
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      samanthab, Clay Claiborne

      fired into Jordan,Israel an Lebanon and I think I heard Iran too.

    •  Do you also think the FSA also shot down the (2+ / 0-)
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      AoT, subtropolis

      Turkish jet?

      After 19 months of this:
      You think Assad may be criminal, but since you know he's not suicidal, that is all you need to place the blame with his opposition.

      The truth is that Assad's forces have shot over the Turkish border many, many times. His forces have also shot over the Jordan border many times. Often trying to shoot fleeing refugees in the back.

      Also crossing borders in jets happens all the time and usually they don't get shot down for it. Turkey has had plenty of reasons to retaliate. Now Syria has killed people in Turkey.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:46:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Oh, would that be the Turkisy spy jet (1+ / 0-)
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        mickT

        that Turkey got all outraged about . . . until it realized that getting outraged about Syria's shooting down a Turkish spy jet over Syrian territory was a bit silly, and then suddenly revised the story to mechanical failure, proudly telling the world that Syria didn't have the competence to down a Turkish jet?

        That Turkish jet?

      •  oh, and for the record, (0+ / 0-)

        I don't think the Syrian government is any more or less criminal than the FSA.

    •  you don't have to buy it (0+ / 0-)

      I find it ironic that someone demanding "a lot of hard evidence" would immediately jump on the "false flag" bandwagon. I suspect that no evidence would ever please you.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 05:00:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  quibble: Turkey did not "attack" (0+ / 0-)

    Neither did Syria, for that matter. It's a minor thing, but perhaps will go some way toward cooling off speculation of the conflict widening. It could still happen, though i think Turkey could occupy Syria's border region without this becoming WW3.

    All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

    by subtropolis on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 04:47:23 PM PDT

  •  Turkish forces kill Kurd by firing across border (0+ / 0-)
    http://www.liveleak.com/...
    During the night from Monday (October 1) to Tuesday (October 2), Turkish soldiers opened fire without warning on Kurdish fighters of the People's Defense Units (YPG). The YPG-fighters were on Syrian territory in the village Til Lelon, near the border town Dirbesiye. In this attack the Turkish army killed a YPG fighter and two others were injured.
    ...
    The Kurds in Syria have gained control over some territories the YPG provide protection inside these areas. Ankara repeatedly mentioned that it won't allow the creation of a Kurdish autonomy region inside Syria. Neither the FSA nor the Assad government troops are allowed to set foot into the Kurdish areas controlled by the YPG.

    In the video you can see the commemorative rally for the Kurdish fighter Hogir Beşir Erebo in the city of Qamişlo.

    100,000's Kurds have been killed in Turkey over the years. As recently as the mid 1990's, 3,000 Kurdish villages were completely wiped off the map. Almost 1/2 million people were permanently displaced and made homeless by Turkish authorities.

    The western media and governments mostly looked the other way while all this was occurring - just as they are doing today.

  •  5,000 in anti-war protest in Turkey (0+ / 0-)

    Raw footage of the protest posted online by the Turkish news agency DHA showed the protesters chanting “No to War!” and “U.S.A. Get Out of the Middle East!”

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