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You may not like his writing, but he takes one of the most reality based positions in the general media.

After reading this horror in the Jerusalem Post yesterday

There is no justification for the State of Gaza being able to shoot at our towns with impunity. We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

~snip

This needs to end quickly – with a bang, not a whimper.

With today's follow up
Although some of our allies are already urging us not to respond “disproportionately,” such a concept has absolutely no relevance to the threat facing Israel. While still seeking to minimize civilian casualties, we must create genuine deterrence in order to avoid future full-scale conflicts of ever increasing magnitude. In fact, a disproportionate response to aggression is fully consistent with international law in which the prime obligation of the state is to protect its civilians.
It was a relief to read something less toxic
And we journos are writing like performing bears, repeating all the clichés we’ve used for the past 40 years
I suggest you read the whole article
In the battle of rockets – not least Iran’s Fajr-5s and Hezbollah’s drones – a new warpath is being trodden by both sides. It’s no longer about Israeli tanks crossing the Lebanese border or the Gaza border. It’s about rockets and hi-tech drones and computer attacks – or “cyber-terrorism”, of course, if committed by Muslims – and the human dross ripped apart by the wayside will be even less relevant than it has been over the past three days.
And if Benjamin Netanyahu believes that the arrival of the first Iranian Fajr rockets necessitates the Israeli big bang on Iran, and then Iran fires back – and perhaps at the Americans, too– and brings in Hezbollah – and Obama gets swallowed up in another Western-Muslim war, what happens then?

Well, Israel will ask for a ceasefire, as it routinely does in wars against Hezbollah

He also makes to my mind the most important point in the article as many still argue for the two state solution.
Thousands of acres of land are stolen from Arabs by Israel –for Jews and Jews only – on the West Bank. There isn’t even enough land left there now for a Palestinian state.
So we have calls for "flattening Gaza" on one side and  "opening the gates of hell" on the other"; couple this with no idea how to resolve the issue on the horizon we have a powder keg.

The region is no longer the home of US and USSR sponsored dictatorships, it is much more fragile than that.

If you believe that the two State solution is the only viable outcome then Israel has to make that concession and remove their settlements. The Palestinians for their part have to reject Hamas. It comes down to how you keep the waring parties apart and that means international troops on the ground. Neither side will agree to this without incentive to do so.

1] Impose an arms embargo.

2] Impose trade sanctions.

3] Freeze international assets.

You have to treat both sides with equal disdain, and both sides need to understand that their actions bear equal reprisal. If Israel attacks Iran then they have to know that they are on their own. If Iran continues sponsoring terrorism then the sanctions and embargoes need to be complete.

None of this seems likely, it will continue down the same road it has been doing for so for the past decades. Hamas is right in one respect; the road they are both traveling down leads to hell on earth for both populations.

Now who can be a neutral arbitrator in this? Not the US; after our performances over the last decade.

The one thing for sure is if nothing changes in Israel and Palestine the "war on terror" cannot end, and the toxic fallout will continue to spread.

6:23 AM PT: And today another "helpful" statement by Hamas

Our enemy is drowning in the blood of children.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

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  •  Tip Jar. I can see no way this ends no matter (19+ / 0-)

    how disproportionate the response.

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:11:06 AM PST

  •  Israeli's seek a "Final Solution" (10+ / 0-)

    to the Palestinian problem?

    Don't they have a Holocaust Museum over there somewhere? There really must be divine retribution awaiting a Fascist Israel.

    •  It was also the comments section that was (0+ / 0-)

      worth reading

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:40:47 AM PST

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    •  That talk is quite unnecessary. (0+ / 0-)

      Not to mention untrue. Holocaust talk of this type may in fact violate dkos rules.

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:09:47 AM PST

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  •  I'm seeing an ad for AIPAC (9+ / 0-)

    "Israel Under Threat. Help Israel-One Small Democracy Surrounded by Hostile Enemies."

    No mention of the fact that this "democracy" has gradually devolved into a RW joke led by a never-changing cast of thugs, crooks, fanatics, and morons.

    The United States could do much better for both sides but we have instead embraced the role of Netanyahu/Lieberman's castrated poodle. As an American I am embarrassed, as a human I am disgusted.

  •  The real source of the problem (7+ / 0-)

    lies with us. Any voices outside the accepted RW narrative are subjected to a witch-hunt and eventual marginalization. Here is an eye-opening article about Robert Malley, a former Clinton adviser whose fairness and knowledge of the region put him in the "worse than Hitler" category (Malley is Jewish by the way)  http://prospect.org/...

  •  Dear Lord (4+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista, Russgirl, TJ, Lepanto

    The Guardian is reporting that the Israeli government is admitting the real reason for the Gaza operation was to eliminate Hamas missile sites in preparation for a war with Iran http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

    •  I don't think that is very likely. (0+ / 0-)

      But the Guardian says a lot of things. If you were the Israeli government, would you admit this out loud if it were true? However, it is true that Iran and Israel have been at war for a long time. I don't see this as something particularly new. It's one more battle in a long war.

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:14:20 AM PST

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      •  Iran and Israel are at war? (0+ / 0-)

        Must have missed the start of that one.  When did it start?

        •  I guess you did. (0+ / 0-)

          War doesn't have to equal invasion. Stuxnet. Assassination of nuclear physicists in Iran. Bombing of Israeli tourist bus in eastern Europe. A lot of cyber warfare. And probably a number of assassinations that we haven't hear about. The Israel-Lebanon war was substantially driven by Iranian weaponry. The current Gaza conflict is an Iranian push. A war is a war when 2 states kill each others citizens in order to achieve a political goal. Iran and Israel are at war and have been for some years, whether you noticed or not.

          For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

          by Anne Elk on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:33:20 PM PST

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    •  I have no problem at all believing that the (0+ / 0-)

      Israeli mobilization is directly connected to the need for preparedness for simultaneous war against Iran and Syria.  Given the Syrian catastrophe alone that boils on its border, the Israeli military has to feel it needs to be at peak readiness.

      What seems obvious to me is that a ground war in Gaza will help unite what are now widely disparate national interests in the Middle East, and destabilize relatively stable political situations in Turkey and Jordan.  

      "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

      by Mogolori on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:03:25 AM PST

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  •  I can't help but see a parallel to ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Wolf10, Lepanto

    ... the Warsaw Ghetto.

    With the "vermin" rounded up and dumped into an ever more crowded prison, to be eventually starved out.

    When some strike back, reprisals are swift and brutal.

    How the similarities don't give Israeli's and all Jews pause over this situation, I can't understand.

    It will not end well for anyone.

    The entire concept of Israel was flawed to begin with.

    Imagine if Irish-Americans decided that they wanted to go back to the "homeland", and to hell with the people living there now. We (IA's) out number the actual Irish by 10-20 to 1.

    So we round up and shuffle all the Irish to Dublin, and build our settlements everywhere else. And then when some of the Irish strike back, we bomb the crap out of their "ghetto" Dublin.

    How would that be any different?

    The time has come for the US to put a stop to all of it, first order of business is for Obama to jump right into Israeli domestic politics and make it clear US support will end unless Bi Bi and company are put out to pasture permanently.

    The time has come for the Israeli people to come to terms with the fact that Palestinians aren't not going to vanish, and the same goes for the Palestinians.

    I starting to like the old "Day the Earth Stood Still" solution. The parties will come to a peace or we will annihilate both of them for the sake of planetary peace.

  •  I keep thinking that this (1+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista

    entire situation -- combine Israel-Gaza with Syria-whoever -- is all too much like the Austro-Hungarian empire in the early summer of 1914.

    Thanks for the heads-up on Fisk. I find his writing probably most useful of anyone writing on the ME today, in part because he's lived there for decades and has sources that newer, parachute journalism doesn't.

    Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. -- Hunter S. Thompson

    by Mnemosyne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:21:07 AM PST

  •  Hmmm Israel kills hamas leader and broadcasts it (1+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista

    live via social media. I wonder what that will lead to...

    When I cannot sing my heart. I can only speak my mind.

    by Unbozo on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:26:48 PM PST

  •  The practical problem with the disproportionate (1+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista

    response is that no matter how well Israel tries to justify it, Israel will come out looking evil. This is my cold observation, nothing more. That's how the world works {author shrugs shoulders}.

    Of course, the "evilness" perception is strengthened when the response is not only disproportionate, but imprecise, as well.

    This is the Spiderman Curse. After years of being taunted by the bully, he reacts in kind to the same bully and ends up looking like... A BULLY!

    "...pero mi corazón me aconseja, que los nacionalismos - ¡qué miedo me dan!" - Enrique Bunbury (El Extranjero)

    by JustGiaco on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:05:57 PM PST

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