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I'm still speechless

9:20 AM PT: heard it on tv- abc i believe- the story thus far has been refuted- but still doesn't explain such dangerous weapons unless she was a collector.
glad i posted it as a question

11:27 AM PT: The two semiautomatic pisols and .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle Lanza used in the shooting were registered to his mother, whom several witnesses identified as an avid gun collector. She apparently taught her kids how to shoot the guns. The owner of a landscaping business who recently decorated her yard for Christmas tells Reuters she once showed him a “really nice, high-end rifle” that she purchased. “She said she would often go target shooting with her kids.”-- SLATE

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  •  A link, context (11+ / 0-)

    and your point would be useful.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:41:06 AM PST

    •  Yes (3+ / 0-)
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      rebel ga, stevej, misslegalbeagle

      Unsourced diaries that are not opinion are not very helpful.  If this has been reported please provide a source.

      BTW, you don't need to go to a shooting range to be able to use guns to kill unarmed children, all you need is access to the guns.  So not sure this is all that significant even of true.

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:17:54 AM PST

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      •  Link (2+ / 0-)
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        NEWTOWN, Conn. — Federal authorities are visiting local gun ranges in Connecticut but have found no evidence that the gunman who opened fire at an elementary school there trained for the attack or was an active member of the recreational gun community.

        Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms spokeswoman Ginger Colbrun said Saturday that investigators have also interviewed Connecticut gun dealers and shoring range employees trying to determine whether there was any training or other behavior that precipitated the attack.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        Certainly doesn't support the statement made in the diary.

        "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

        by Steven D on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:58:40 AM PST

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        •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

          i have searched for it since i heard it reported on tv- abc i believe- i have found nothing on the net-
          why would they report it as opposed to declaring it as conjecture? i write a column and would never state something unsubstantiated, esp on tv

          •  TV news (0+ / 0-)

            tends to speculate quite a bit - unfortunately.  There is a lot of pressure to be the first with breaking news, so often rumors are reported without adequate confirmation.

            "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

            by Steven D on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 09:21:56 AM PST

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  •  I haven't heard about this (10+ / 0-)

    But I don't think this is the time to bash the mother. I can't imagine the grief of the family. She's gone. She had a hobby that some don't like. We don't need to demonize her.

    I think you should either delete or heavily edit (IE, actually write) this diary.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:44:29 AM PST

  •  Hobbies should be things (8+ / 0-)

    One can enjoy without the risk that innocents will die. A gun can always fall into the wrong hands at the wrong time. Play an instrument, collect coins. Paint. Jog. Play Mah-Johng or Poker. If you feel the need to shoot at targets, get a bb-gun, or try archery. Guns are not a smart hobby.

    But more to the point, if YOU choose guns as a hobby as this woman did, MY family may have to pay the consequences. So think about others people, get rid of the guns, and find another hobby. There are plenty of them.

    •  "MY family may have to pay the consequences" (3+ / 0-)
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      Please.  This doesn't just exist with guns.

      Just off the top of my head: cars, fireworks, anti-vaccine, go to work sick, ...

      I know that this is a very emotional event, so perspective flies out the window.  But Mother Jone's did a study of mass shootings in the past 30 years.  They id'd and analyzed 61 of them (24 of those analyzed occured in the past 7 years - an average of less than 4 per year.).  

      Mother Jones 1

      Mother Jones 2

      It's horrible if you're involved in one of the incidents.   But when you consider how many gun owners & guns there are in this country, it's not as if anything but a small minority perpetuate these acts.  So isn't "get rid of guns" a rather oversweeping "solution."  After all, Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun.      

      Republicans: if they only had a heart.

      by leu2500 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:06:02 AM PST

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      •  "McVeigh didn't use a gun"? (5+ / 0-)

        That's the best you got?

        The Oklahoma City bombing was a one off that killed 168 people.

        There are 30,000+ gun related homicides in the United States every single year. So, since 1995 that's approx 360,000 people killed by guns in the USA.

        But when you consider how many gun owners & guns there are in this country, it's not as if anything but a small minority perpetuate these acts
        You mean mass killings but then there are the plain old, estranged husband kills wife (and kids), jilted lover, grumpy old bastard shoots kids for playing music too loud, fuckwad gets pissed off at getting cut off on the freeway, guy I just fired this morning, kinds of homicides, plus the corner criminal who would have to use a knife to hold up the bank if guns weren't cheap and available. - There's 30,000/yr of those you are forgetting about.

        Leading cause of death African American males 15 - 35 - homicide by firearm (second leading cause overall after "accident" for males in that age group). If it was cancer, or AIDS, or drunk driving we would be (and are) spending millions to counter it but because it's guns for some reason we can't touch it.

        You. Your family. Your gun-loving friends, do not need semi-automatic weapons. There is no rational case to be made for owning them. They are a national public health risk. They need to go.

        •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

          that's a total for all gun deaths, homicides, suicides and accidents.  The figure is still significant and too high, but we should all be accurate to the best of our abilities.  I support many gun control proposals, but it does us no good to provide inaccurate data.

          "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

          by Steven D on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 09:19:45 AM PST

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      •  asdf (4+ / 0-)
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        cars, fireworks, anti-vaccine, go to work sick, ..
        Non designed to kill - but you knew that.
  •  This isn't a diary... (1+ / 0-)
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    ichibon

    ...but regardless of what happened in this case, it makes no logical sense for the gun rights lobby to push gun training and eduation as a solution to the problem when they ALSO say the problem isn't about access to guns. All they're doing is training the future killers, if you actually consider their kettle logic arguments simultaneously.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:48:25 AM PST

  •  I've taught my kid to shoot a gun. Both under 8. (2+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster, mumtaznepal

    It was a pellet gun, but same difference at that age.  I have absolutely no problem with her taking the kids to a range.

    What I do have a problem with is that her son gained easy access to the gun stash.

    "So what if a guy threw a shoe at me!"

    by FoodChillinMFr on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:50:10 AM PST

  •  Where did you see this? (1+ / 0-)
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    you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

    by Dem Beans on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:55:55 AM PST

  •  strange report (0+ / 0-)

    heard it on tv- abc i believe- the story thus far has been refuted- but still doesn't explain such dangerous weapons unless she was a collector.
    glad i posted it as a question

  •  I'd be careful of making any judgments (0+ / 0-)

    this early in.  Supposedly that information came from a former sister-in-law who hadn't seen her nephew since he was three years old.  Early reports had her teaching the kindergarten class he first targeted.  Now it turns out she wasn't on the staff.  At first they were saying she had three sons, now it's evidently two.  We know that the killer got access to the guns-anymore than that is uncertain.

    "Forever is composed of nows." Emily Dickinson

    by Leftovers on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:17:45 AM PST

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