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"Your attractiveness is causing problems in my marriage.  Even though you're a stellar employee, you've got to go.  My wife says so, and my pastor agrees with me."

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Not really digging our all-new all-male Iowa Supreme Court here.  Burden is shifted from the boss with an inability to control his thoughts to the worker having to monitor if she's making her boss randy.  What made the article for me was the pastor consultation.

She really should have hit back with his comments and actions, imo.  At the very least it would constitute a hostile workplace.

For the record, I used to live in Fort Dodge.  At the time it had seen better days.

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  •  I was looking for a snark tag on this one. (9+ / 0-)

    Whoaboy. Let me get this straight: this dentist sexually harassed his employee (I'm sorry, basically telling an employee that if they see you with an erection, you're wearing the wrong clothes is sexual harassment) and the court basically says it's the employee's fault?

    I can't imagine what they would have said if this dentist had raped her.

    Get your goddamned guns out of my church. This means you.

    by commonmass on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 09:49:56 AM PST

  •  Authoritarian misogyny (2+ / 0-)
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    sfbob, Noor B

    rears its ugly head.

    Women's penchant for "leading men astray" has been used to justify gender discrimination since time immemorial.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 09:57:51 AM PST

  •  You will get less grief if you trim out (2+ / 0-)
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    Melanie in IA, 2thanks
    Follow beyond the squiggle for the complete article.
    the block quote to three paragraphs. As is it exceeds fair use.
  •  Welcome to a New Reality (3+ / 0-)
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    notrouble, Miniaussiefan, sfbob

    Yeah, even the Onion can't keep up with real life...  :(

    Faith Manages. -- J.M. Straczynski

    by Master Alchemi on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:00:24 AM PST

  •  Irresistible force vs immovable object. (2+ / 0-)
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    liz dexic, Noor B

    We finally have an answer to that age-old conundrum.

    Despite it having been said one time that "women don't like those things".

    Ok, I've had my little jokes, sorry.

    I think it's terrible to get fired simply because your boss's spouse feels threatened.

    It probably happens a lot more than we think, just not quite so explicitly. I know of a case in which it may be happening right now, but nobody's giving a readily identifiable reason.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:02:46 AM PST

  •  copyright: you can't post the whole article. (1+ / 0-)
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    poet site rules, only a few paragraphs are permitted.

    re: hostile workplace: I don't believe she argued harassment.  either a terrible lawyer or there was plausible basis for claiming it.

  •  this is why the onion has stopped home delivery (2+ / 0-)
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    Steven D, notrouble

    you can't run a parody paper if reality exceeds parody.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:09:32 AM PST

  •  Wrong on so many levels... (4+ / 0-)
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    Steven D, peacestpete, billmosby, Noor B

    ...and just another example of how far removed from sanity too many of our judges and politicians have become--not to mention approximately half of the population of the country.

    BTW, dentist James Knight sounds downright creepy.  Wonder how many of his female patients he finds to be "too attractive"?  

    Wonder if he & the Mrs. get uncomfortable if an attractive woman sits next to him in the church pew?  Would they consult the minister to make hew move away from Knight?  


  •  The Taliban exists in the US (2+ / 0-)
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    cassandracarolina, Noor B

    Next, women will have to wear the burqa to keep men from having those sexy thoughts. That's the reason the Taliban gives for forcing women into covering up from head to toe.

    Men are incapable of controlling their desires, so women are to blame if something happens to them. Women are responsible for their own rape.

    Didn't we get rid of that idea decades ago? Didn't court decisions throw out the idea that the way a woman dressed signalled that she wanted sex, so there was no rape?

    Thank you Iowa for sending us back to the dark ages.

    I reject your reality and substitute my own - Adam Savage

    by woolibaar on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:35:55 AM PST

  •  This should have been handled out of court nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  misrepresented (4+ / 0-)

    There is more to this story than the woman's naturally smooth complexion.   The firing was actually triggered by inappropriate behavior.

    Knight and Nelson – both married with children – started exchanging text messages, mostly about personal matters, such as their families. Knight's wife, who also worked in the dental office, found out about the messages and demanded Nelson be fired

    Nelson was stunned because she viewed the 53-year-old Knight as a father figure and had never been interested in starting a relationship, Fiedler said.

    This attractive married woman was exchanging personal texts with a married man who was also her boss.   She may have been "stunned", but anyone with a clue could have guessed this wasn't going to end well.

    It appears that this married woman was sharing rather intimate details, considering this comment by her "father figure".

    He also once allegedly remarked about her infrequent sex life by saying, “that’s like having a Lamborghini in the garage and never driving it.”
    It's not a coincidence that a study was recently published, arguing that  men and women can't be just friends.
    Consistent with our first prediction, a paired-samples t-test revealed that men reported
    more attraction to their female friends
    I can't feel too sorry for her.  She walked right into this one.
    •  I certainly found it to be the case once. (1+ / 0-)
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      The part about "men and women can't just be friends". I was going along ok until I didn't refrain from responding when she made the first physical move. The fact that it even got that far was due to my her overtures of friendship more than a year before, to the detriment of what could have been a much better relationship with another woman who unlike the first one was not married.

      I learned a lot from all that, though. Such as how it is actually possible to eventually end up out in the sticks handing a fully loaded assault weapon to the husband of somebody you're inappropriately involved with.

      I swear to you that I am absolutely not making that up.

      Moderation in most things.

      by billmosby on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 12:07:30 PM PST

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  •  Oh but it was LEGAL! (1+ / 0-)
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    Noor B

    Court said it was.  Therefore you have nothing to complain about and should go back to your lives of NOT being sexy and threatening the morals of good Christian Men, ladies!

    I mean, it's not like a court has EVER been wrong on anything.


    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 11:27:27 AM PST

  •  When he told her the bulge in his pants was (1+ / 0-)
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    Noor B

    because her clothes were too tight, he was flirting.

    He's not exactly innocent here.

  •  IA is a Righ to Work for Less State - which also (0+ / 0-)

    means right to fire for ANY reason.

    Her only recourse is under federal law and that will take time and money.

    One of the unspoken negatives of right to work for less.

    •  The two have nothing to do with each other (0+ / 0-)

      "right to fire for any reason" implies an at-will state, which is all states except Montana. "Right to work" means that employees who are represented by a union but are not union members cannot be required to pay a pro-rated fee for that representation.  FWIW, in no state can employees be required to belong to a union as a condition of employment; that's Federal law.

      Writing in all lower-case letters should be a capital offense

      by ebohlman on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:45:26 PM PST

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  •  Why go there? (0+ / 0-)

    I've been a manager of folks for half my professional career and worked at six different companies.  Hostile workplace and harassment courses come up all the time for me.  One thing I've learned (since most of my staff tend to be younger and female) is simply to avoid talking about personal life except on a light surface.  Don't talk about boyfriends, baby planning, or anything that personal.  If anything, let them bring it up.  You're at work, and that's outside of it.

    A job of a manager is Risk Assessment; what kind of risk are you taking when you state that one of your employees is getting you aroused?  Is this an acceptable risk?  Why even go there??

    Faith Manages. -- J.M. Straczynski

    by Master Alchemi on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:39:58 PM PST

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