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After reading this manifesto of the accused cop killer Christopher Dorner, who's currently on the lam, I hesitated about linking to this. That's because he not only killed people but he even killed a person who didn't harm him directly but she was killed because she was the daughter of one of the people he had a beef with. To me, that's no better than what the Kim family in North Korea does to dissidents, where it's considered the norm to punish not only the original offender (no matter if the crime is violent or not) but also the offender's family for up to three generations.

But the manifesto does highlight the problem of police brutality, which has plagued police departments all over the country for decades. His beef with the LAPD isn't new. I'm old enough to remember the infamous Rodney King beatings and how the O.J. SImpson managed to beat the murder charges against him because prosecutors relied on the testimony of a corrupt police office named Mark Fuhrman. I'm linking to this because police brutality is an ongoing problem and Christopher Dorner is very articulate and powerful in his arguments. I only wished that he had done something to highlight that problem other than to kill people.

Christopher Dorner's Manifesto

Originally posted to Sagittarius Dolly on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:47 AM PST.

Also republished by Police Accountability Group.

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  •  Would you post a video "manifesto" (6+ / 0-)

    of the man who kidnapped that young boy and killed the bus driver?

    I'm sure he had some valid points, too.  Amongst all the racist nonsense and paranoid rantings about the government, I'm sure he had a few points.

    They always do.

    Doesn't mean we should publish them.  

    I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

    by coquiero on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:51:46 AM PST

    •  if anything (3+ / 0-)
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      he undermines whatever is valid in his manifesto, by using violence to garner attention.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:00:40 AM PST

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      •  He doesn't undermine the parts he whistle blew (9+ / 0-)

        about, many of which have journalists -- of various stripes -- now tracing. Preexisting stories of certain cops and certain records which are shielded under CA State Law which he exposed and which are being reported as accurate.

        That information is a big part of his manifesto.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:01:55 AM PST

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      •  Not according to the LAPD (2+ / 0-)
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        They could, says Officer Eisenman, an LAPD spokesperson. (She declined to give her first name.) She said that while she couldn't comment specifically on the ongoing Dorner case, it was "common sense that [those claims] will probably be looked at."

        "It doesn't annul the fact of what he's stating," Eisenman says. If there's going to be an investigation of his allegations, it won't be until he's captured, she says.

        "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

        by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 11:49:38 AM PST

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      •  The ACLU's position on Dorner (3+ / 0-)

        lawyers...

        http://www.seattlepi.com/...

        Civil rights attorney Connie Rice said the department should review the Dorner case and his claims, while stressing that she is not defending the suspect in any way and is shocked by the attacks.

        ...

        Rice was quick to point out that while the LAPD culture has improved, there are still what she calls pockets of bad behavior.

        That was echoed by Hector Villagra, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.

        "There has definitely been improvement from those dark days," Villagra said. "We are in a vastly different place, but there still are opportunities for improvement in this and any other police department."

        People are able to separate his actions from his claims, and they are suggesting that his claims are quite important.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 01:43:03 PM PST

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    •  That means (22+ / 0-)

      we never learn anything that may make a difference in the future,

      We are really bad about ignoring the deeper issues in favor of sticking with the superficial.  

      This person is not ranting but lays out a case against the LAPD. Do we just believe what is spoon fed to us by the media or do we make up our own mind based on researching the facts?

      I have repeated this over and over. I came to this point of view as a mail carrier during the postal shootings. The post office took the shooters words seriously. They looked into his allegations, they looked at themselves and discovered he was right, the picture wasn't pretty.

      In a matter of a few months they managed a personality transplant of major proportions. Gone were the people that got 3 inches from your face and yelled obscenities and threats, gone was the atmophere of fear of making any wrong move. That was normal. Everything changed, it became an environment of team work and respect for the jobs we did.

      They learned from what was a horrible and very frightening experience by studying what the bad guy had to say.

      He laid out a clear case including where to locate the documentation to back his claims. I for one hope our country is smart enough to investigate what he says and at least have a conversation about it.

      It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

      by PSWaterspirit on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:28:22 AM PST

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      •  LAPD drove the man insane (0+ / 0-)

        You make an excellent point about the Post Office and this situation is no different.  I think it is time people stop condemning this man as a murderer and start pointing their finger at the LAPD for driving this man insane and turning him into a murderer.  He's off his rocker right now and it is the LAPD'S fault he's off his rocker.  People here say we should not be praising this guy because he is a cold-blooded killer.  Nobody is praising him, but his entire manifesto wreaks of total truth.  When this whole thing is said and done and the LAPD ends up killing him to shut his mouth further, the corruption in the LAPD will finally come to a screaching halt.  The investigations that will ensue will go on for years after this.  The fear of losing loved ones has already taught the perpetrators their lesson and it is a huge wake-up call for them.  None of those officers like the idea of losing their wives or daughters, and always looking one's shoulder every second of every day until he is caught must be pure torture for them.  I hope they have now learned their lesson in how they should treat others.  I'm sure many of them want to come clean now, anything to get this man to stop.  He says he will stop when his name is cleared.  They need to do this now so he'll turn himself in and no more lives are lost.  What's stopping them?  Oh, I forgot... they have to shut him up.

  •  Yeah, he kills innocent people with (2+ / 0-)
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    pleasure. But he has VERY important things to say, and his claims against the LAPD should be readily believed. Since he's such a trustworthy source.

    •  It wasn't trustworthy until (8+ / 0-)

      It wasn't trustworthy until the LAPD shot up two Latino women delivering newspapers, or the guy who was fired on a few minutes later for driving a truck (that didn't even match the suspect’s vehicle).  I am a progressive liberal and denounce what Dorner is doing, but we shouldn't close our eyes to how the LAPD is handling this situation and how an unbalanced person might react in similar situations. After watching how law enforcement handled Occupy Wall street, I have to ask why don’t they want this guy brought in alive?

    •  Claims should be evaluated on merit, not source (2+ / 0-)
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      No matter what you think of him personally, he has made some specific allegations with enough detail that they could be investigated.  His claims are specific events and he gives specific details of those events, and are not random paranoid rantings of things that might happen down some slippery-slope.  And given the history and the negative attitudes people have formed towards the LAPD for the way they have acted, the claims do not seem difficult to believe either.

      Even cheats and previous liars can tell the truth.  Look at, say, Jose Canseco (his claims about steroids in baseball) and Floyd Landis (his claims about Lance Armstrong).  They were both disgraced and their words dismissed, but they turned out to be right.

    •  Yes, (0+ / 0-)

      because the LAPD's reputation, and their past actions, make it so hard to believe his claims may be valid.

      •  LAPD 's reputation (0+ / 0-)

        is precisely why his claims are being taken seriously by people who pay attention to serious issues like police brutality.

        LAPD has a deserved reputation for mistreatment and rights violations of citizens.  Why would you say anything else?

        She didn't know it couldn't be done, so she went ahead and did it.

        by Boadicaea on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:22:32 PM PST

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        •  I know they do. (0+ / 0-)

          It was sarcasm aimed toward the people acting like his claims shouldn't be believed solely because of what he's doing.

          I'm not justifying what he's doing, but the fact of the matter is the LAPD's well-deserved reputation is exactly why his claims SHOULD be taken seriously.

    •  If we ignored people who were (1+ / 0-)
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      responsible for the death of innocents then we wouldn't be talking to a hell of a lot of cops, and barely any politicians.

      What amazes me are the comments on the newspaper stories about him. They aren't all positive, but it's amazing how many people are openly supporting him.

      You clearly aren't from LA, or you have a completely different experience of the police than a majority of people there.  People believe his claims because they are reasonable and fall in line with what the LAPD has done in the past.  They can't hide behind the badge anymore.

  •  HRed for (2+ / 0-)
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    Christopher Dorner is very articulate and powerful in his arguments.
    He is a fucking murderous madman, and if it were your children he was killing/targeting, you would not find his arguments "articulate and powerful".
    •  his comments about the birthers seem spot on (7+ / 0-)

      and he is as a result being labelled an Obama fan - which he expressly deals with, as a Huntsman  supporter...  

      Dorner's crimes are many and various, but he may still be articulate.  I would hate to ignore the points he raises, just because he has now gone bad.  If you are ok with doing that, so be it.  He isn't going to get any favours from anyone - of course, in the circumstances - for being right about the LA police, but isn't it wise in LA's interests to wonder if he may be?

      •  And he likes Michelle Obama's bangs! (4+ / 0-)
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        Really, are some people so insecure about their political and social beliefs that the ravings of a terribly ruined, mentally ill, murderer are reassuring and somehow validating? He needs prayers and capture ASAP, not attention.

        •  who is disputing that, for heaven's sake!? (2+ / 0-)
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          don't you think that it is worth asking the LAPD about the racism he covers?  Or don't you think it matters if the LAPD is that racist?

          Who cares about Michelle Obama's hair - I don't, and why do you?

          catch the guy, put him on trial, yes please - but also think about the condition of the LAPD -  NOT for his sake, but for LA.

          •  You're raising the important question here... (0+ / 0-)

            ..and I say not really. Of course the continuous, insidious and systemic problems in the LAPD (e.g., violence, racism, abuse) should be under a microscope and a top priority. But this man and his manifesto are neither reliable nor is it a good idea to even imply he may trigger the revenge he's seeking.  

            •  I don't think I am implying anything (0+ / 0-)

              and certainly don't intend to........

              catch the guy and stop him from doing any more harm - let's focus on that

            •  He gave names dates and location (2+ / 0-)
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              California has laws that protect the files of the police officers, even their records of excessive force are not available to the public. People have sued the police discovered the officer involved has a long record of excessive force but can not get the documentation to use it in court.  

              If you have the names dates and places it is possible to get the information by other means that the officers personal file.

              That is why many who are trying to do something about these problems think it is very important.

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              by PSWaterspirit on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 03:49:32 PM PST

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            •  If we should be talking about it (1+ / 0-)
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              and yet weren't before this then I'm not sure what your point is. It's clear that our society has a near complete lack of accountability for people with power, and as such you can expect more things like this to happen.  LAPD is lucky this hasn't spread.

              Remember when those of us in Occupy were saying that by making peaceful revolution impossible you make violent revolution necessary.  This is exactly what we meant.

              •  It? what is 'it'? (0+ / 0-)

                Murder and terrorism should not be a legitimatized ice-breaker. Seems like a pretty uncontroversial caution. The wanted man has issues with Asians, women, lesbians and kills the daughter of one of his ex-bosses and so the public should take action on his workplace complaints?

                Assuming we all would support high priority action on any LAPD reforms and internal investigations, the exploitation of this mentally ill fugitive seems as illogical as taking the rantings of a right-wing murderer as grounds to attack gov't.

                You made a preposterous claim about Occupy when you're only speaking for yourself which I'll take as hyperbole.

                •  This is what always happens (0+ / 0-)

                  The people who actually stand up aren't perfect and so we aren't allowed to do anything about the problem.

                  Murder and terrorism should not be a legitimatized ice-breaker. Seems like a pretty uncontroversial caution. The wanted man has issues with Asians, women, lesbians and kills the daughter of one of his ex-bosses and so the public should take action on his workplace complaints?
                  So we shouldn't do anything about corruption because the person pointing it out has serious problems?  They ruined this guys life because he reported fellow officers for brutality.
                  You made a preposterous claim about Occupy when you're only speaking for yourself which I'll take as hyperbole.
                  It isn't hyperbole at all.  We will see more and more of this.  Occupy was villainized on the left for not being inclusive enough and then declared useless when we worked on fixing that.  People are sick of the complete lack of accountability of those in power and will increasingly turn to violence to deal with the problem.  This is only the beginning.
    •  Nice abusive HR for disagreement. (5+ / 0-)

      "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

      by second gen on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:54:29 AM PST

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    •  murderous madman (0+ / 0-)

      I respect what you are saying, however I think that most people would find his arguments "articulate and powerful" if they were responsible for treating this man so unjustly that it drove him to insanity. His words would be a huge wake-up call for me...sort of like when my cat disappeared.  I thought of all the people I had been rude to, and wondered which person exacted revenge on me.  That's been a year ago, and I suffered for it, but it has made me change the way I treat others.  Make no mistake, I have extreme sympathy for the people who lost their loved ones, but they need to listen to this man's articulate and powerful arguments because they wreak of truth.  LAPD needs to take responsibility for the way they treat others because at some point they will eventually mess with the wrong person, and that's what we're seeing here.

      •  Why in the world would you lap up (0+ / 0-)

        everything he says about how he was "railroaded"? Is it not possible, especially given the clear evidence of mental illness, that the endless list of people he accuses of malfeasance are actually innocent? No, that can't be, right? Why would you trust this guy, at all? We've always known that the LAPD abuses civilians, and I see nothing - nothing - that this murderer teaches us about the dept in general that everyone already didn't know. But the other accusations, I have no idea why someone would believe him. Perhaps Charlie Manson's ramblings were also insightful?

  •  Anabolic steroids? (2+ / 0-)
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    The diarist framing is ridiculous and displays a lack of understanding of mental illness.  

    Wow, I hope this very dangerous person is found soon.

  •  It's an interesting read (2+ / 0-)
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    He's obviously an intelligent person, well read and informed.

    But, to kill innocent people...   I just can't drum up any empathy for him.

    •  A lot of mentally ill people are intelligent... (3+ / 0-)

      The realities of life are so harsh, can be brutal and unjust, and the stress of living can naturally be be overwhelming for the strongest and healthiest personalities. That's why we use the phrase, "It could drive me crazy!" Yet our impulse control, restraint, morality, introspection, character integration, sense of proportion, hope, love, etc. get us to not succumb to the craziness.

      His writings are interesting in the transparency of the man's state of mind and the evolution of his stresses. I hope he survives this manhunt if for no other reason than to use him  - a profound irony to his manifesto and his own sense of being used and abused - to improve something, somehow.

  •  Uprated for the HR -- and read this article (10+ / 0-)

    It's interesting and is a good companion piece, IMHO, to this diary to flesh it out a bit more:

    http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/...

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    by mahakali overdrive on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:00:17 AM PST

  •  Thanks, but no thanks. I couldn't get through (0+ / 0-)

    the unabomber manifesto either.

    Maybe I'll watch the upcoming direct to DVD miniseries...

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:16:36 AM PST

  •  He's a worthless piece of shit. (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't care what he writes.  I hope he's dead already.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 10:55:42 AM PST

    •  Your opinion of the man notwithstanding, the (3+ / 0-)

      HR for disagreement is abusive.

      "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

      by second gen on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 12:20:33 PM PST

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      •  Seriously, the MSM is covering this story (5+ / 0-)

        and many outlets are very much linking to Dorner's manifesto. The valid points it raises are commented on by everyone from the ACLU to Jesse Jackson to the LAPD itself. The LATimes says it checks out too, more or less. They've recently posted an article (linked above) with the names mentioned no longer redacted.

        Are we really going to be less willing to look at a whistleblower than the ACLU? That's so shortsighted as to be outrageous.

        And yes, the HR is abusive.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 01:48:37 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, I'm worse than Dorner. (0+ / 0-)

        The standard for HR is that I judge a diary or comment to be so egregious that it shouldn't be here.  This easily, easily meets that standard.  

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:57:27 PM PST

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    •  No matter how black and white (0+ / 0-)

      you think this situation is, that is a terrible thing to say.

      You have the freedom to think and believe what you want to, but that should not be posted on this site.

      •  I think this calls for "meh" (0+ / 0-)

        Personally I think all this empathy for Dorner and all this desire to hear him out is depraved and shouldn't be posted on this site.  I wish there were some higher authority who could settle this definitively.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:09:29 PM PST

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  •  Ignored (2+ / 0-)
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    The man obviously needed help for a very long time and was ignored by Vance Air Force Base in Enid, Oklahoma, the Navy and the LAPD.  Our society must address the problem we have with emotionally distraught people. When we save them, we save others.

  •  Delusions of grandeur (0+ / 0-)

    If the LAPD had a decent psych eval for recruits, I don't think he would ever have been accepted in the department.

  •  We should all read this (Dorner's Manifesto) (1+ / 0-)
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    and I am sorry for the people he shot, all of them.  He does make powerful arguements about the police and their harsh, corupt practices, however, and that's why I hope many will read what he wrote.  It does not bode well for our society when an articulate man like this elects to shoot people instead of finding other ways to deal with these injustices.  I also want to say that police work is very difficult maybe it always has been, but we can't let any institution we create be free of review, reform and change.  We civilians must assert ourselves in this matter.  The LAPD has a long, sad history of difficulties that are in need of our attention.  

  •  we should all remember this (0+ / 0-)

    the next time something happens and, as all to often occurs, people here try to link violence immediately with the opposition. Laughner comes to mind. Disturbed violent  criminals are not partisan.

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