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It's become a big right-wing meme, since the middle of the George Zimmerman case, to argue that the proof that the True Racists in this situation were the "Pimps and Hustlers" like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who rallied and rioted and threatened to shutdown Sanford unless there was a trial, because what they really wanted was to use case to a) Get Back at the Half-White Guy and b) HIDE the fact that there is an massive Epidemic of Black on Black Crime in America.

In other words - prosecuting George Zimmerman was one big game of - Look! Squirrel!.

"While black kids die by the droves, why put so much emphasis and effort on this one case? THIS one kid?"

Well, I guess because it's not about Trayvon - it's about Punishing Whitey, they seem to feel.

Strap In Over the Flip as we shall crush that bullshit into dust.

Shapiro, echoing many other conservatives, is angry over the perceived politicization of the Zimmerman trial, and believes that activists have ”injected” race into the discussion, as if there’s nothing racial already within the criminal-justice system. Indeed, he echoes many conservatives when he complains that media attention had everything to do with Zimmerman’s race. If he were black, the argument goes, no one would care. And so, Shapiro found the sad story of Darryl Green, and promoted it as an example of the “black-on-black” crime that, he believes, goes ignored. Or, as he tweets, “49% of murder victims are black men. 93% of those are killed by other blacks. Media don’t care. Obama doesn’t care. #JusticeForDarryl.
Yes, there is a killing spree taking place in Chicago these days.  But to say that it's only a matter of Blacks Killing Blacks For Sport as if we're talking about Urban Country Safari or something, is ridiculous.  By and large what's going on in Chicago and certain other urban centers isn't specific to black people.  It's specific to Gangs

Chicago is going through a Gang War.  Just look at the earlier portion of the article that caught Shapiro's eye.

Last week, in Chicago, 16-year-old Darryl Green was found dead in the yard of an abandoned home. He was killed, relatives reported, because he refused to join a gang.
For anyone who knows anything about gangs, they aren't exclusively racial - they're local, they're about people who live in specific neighborhood or territory and gaining a foothold of control in that territory.

Also it's not like Chicago doesn't have a long an illustrious history of Gangsters.

Where was Al Capone from Again?  

Yet during his heydey did we hear about the Italian on Italian Killings?  I don't think so much.  Those gangs weren't about ethnicity, they were diverse, they were about Bootlegging during Prohibition and maintaining control of the supply and distribution of booze.

That hasn't really changed that much as modern gangs, in the midst of yet another economic depression, have restitched together a patch-work of dysfunctional surrogate family units to maintain and control the distribution of modern prohibited substances.

The Gang Wars of Capone's Era were bloody, the Gang Wars of Modern Chicago are now also. Now as then, it's not like Chicago isn't fighting back.

Chicago police busted up two South Side drug operations and arrested 38 suspected gang members to close out a pair of targeted missions earlier this week.

“Dismantling drug markets is critical to decreasing gang violence and criminal activity in our communities,” said Police Supt. Garry McCarthy in a statement released Saturday. “We improve the quality of life in our City by taking down these drug markets and removing the involved criminals, weapons, and narcotics from the streets.”

And here in this report, is it about "Black" crime or is it "Gang" Crime?

Chicago Murders: Violence, Gangs Scar Auburn-Gresham Community

In July, a Saturday night, two men were walking on 79th when they were approached by a man who killed one and injured the other. This shooting resulted in a quick arrest; police had a witness, and a security camera caught the shooting.

These three violent snapshots of a single Chicago street are not exceptional. It's been a bloody year in the nation's third-largest city.

A spike in murders and shootings – much of it gang-related – shocked Chicagoans, spurred new crime-fighting strategies and left indelible images: Mayor Rahm Emanuel voicing outrage about gang crossfire that killed a 7-year-old named Heaven selling candy in her front yard. Panicked mourners scrambling as shots ring out on the church steps at a funeral for a reputed gang leader. Girls wearing red high school basketball uniforms, filing by the casket of a 16-year-old teammate shot on her porch.

Or here in this report which put it succinctly...

It's the Gangs, Stupid: Why People Don't Respond to Crime Statistics

No one likes to be told how to feel. And right now, Chicagoans feel afraid. A recent uptick in homicides and shootings has created a national buzz around the levels of violence in the Windy City. Academics like to point out that in historical terms, homicides in 2010 reached a nearly 40-year low and that it's way too early to tell if the recent surge in violence is anything more than "normal variation" in the larger violence trend. Statistically speaking, we are much safer than we've been in a generation.


Not all crime is alike. The nation as a whole is experiencing what some criminologists call the "Great Crime Decline" -- record decreases in violent crime we haven't seen since before the Vietnam War. During the height of the so-called "Crack Era" the number of homicides in Chicago teetered around 900. Over the past five years, that number has been around 400 a year, representing a steep 50 percent decline.

Nonetheless rates of gang homicide remain stubbornly stable in the midst of this larger drop.

So in fact the overall rate of Chicago Murders has actually dropped by 50% in the last five years except for - Gang Murders?

The next part of this "great race-bate conspiracy" is the idea that long-time Civil Rights Leaders like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton don't care or are somehow happy about this or something, which is particularly fucked up.

However, Facts - they're kinda stubborn.  Last June, Months after the killing of Trayvon Martin, Jesse Jackson put together a March on 20 Cities specifically to highlight under discussed issue of Black on Black Crime!

"Out with guns, in with jobs," the Rev. Jesse Jackson said to me in his trademark gravelly voice. "We're going to march in 20 cities" hard hit by the gun violence that has made the streets of America a bigger killing field for young black men in the United States than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been for U.S. troops.


"Each year … about 7,000 African Americans are murdered, more than nine times out of 10 by other African Americans," Jackson said in a painful acknowledgment of a crisis that for too long has received "drive-by" attention from most black leaders.

So the argument that Jackson has done Nothing on this issue, that's he's "hiding" it - is - well, a Damn Lie.  I'm not saying he or anyone has done enough yet, but he ain't done "Nothin'".

See when Jackson does a March for Trayvon, he's a "Race Hustler" when he does a march - criticizing other black leaders for their lack of attention to Black people Killing Black People ... erm.. who? where? what march?  I didn't see it, you didn't see it - nobody can prove it happened.

Maybe if that darn dastardly Left Wing Media would actually cover this stuff...?

Here's a press release from earlier this week via

Chicago, Illinois – The Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr. founder of Rainbow PUSH Coalition, is teaming up with the Faith Community of St. Sabina pastor Fr. Michael Pfleger to lead a7:00pm  rally on Chicago’s West Side Friday night to denounce the peaking incidents of violence that are ravishing the city’s south and west sides.


Violence needs to be looked at as a public health issue,” Rev. Jackson said in a recent statement concerning the circumstances prompting the rally. “This is a public health state of emergency due to its impact on the community. It affects not just those who are shot, but those that must care for those that are doing both the shooters and the wounded. It impacts our families and communities with concerning from adequate health care to adequate job opportunities and from broken families to the prison industrial complex.
- See more at:

So that's Jackson, not paying attention to local gun/gang/black violence last year or this one.

What about Sharpton? Let's Talk About Violence in Black Neighborhoods (took me 00.45 seconds to find via the Google)

The Rev. Al Sharpton is calling for a high-profile community summit to address black-on-black violence after Harlem was rocked by a wave of shootings over Memorial Day.

"Last year alone, nearly one black child a day under the age of 17 was shot and killed in New York City. Shot mostly by other black city residents," Sharpton said.

"Shootings and violence within our community by one of our own is an outrage and an issue that we must confront as diligently and as passionately as a sensational case of police misconduct or brutality."

Four gun battles in one three-hour period in Harlem Memorial Day weekend wounded 10 people - including a 15-year-old girl hit at a barbecue. A 15-year-old boy was also shot dead after a house party on the upper West Side.

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Yeah, that's how he ignores the issue - with a Summit.

President Obama's been working and focusing on it too, with Russel Simmons.

When Derrion Albert was killed on September 24, 2009, our nation witnessed, through a cell phone video camera, the horrors of a young man beaten to death. It not only awoke the nation, but it was also the catalyst for a new initiative started by President Obama, Secretary Duncan, and Attorney General Holder. The National Forum for Youth Violence Prevention was started in six cities soon after the death of Derrion. Its task is to examine old models and implement new ones to be used by local cities to combat violence in their communities.
Ok, so that's kind of a myth that these three are doing "nothing" about it and don't care about it.  Here's a question: What the Bloody Hell Has Ben Shapiro Done About it Lately?

Just wondering.

If he cares about it some much he could at least do a 00.45 second Google search and see that Sharpton and Jackson and Obama have clearly done more than "Nothing" and he wouldn't look like such as AssGasket for saying that they haven't.

I mean, it's not like I'm seeing anyone in the GOP doing anything constructive to address the spread of gangs, gun violence, improving jobs, education and economic oppurtunity in high stress gang-riddled urban centers.  Quite the opposite as they blocked the American Jobs Act and implemented the Sequester after a decade of No Child Left Behind has been shoveling minority kids out the school room door just to keep the test score averages high.

Once they've been shoved out of school and their legitimate job prospects drop to zero- where do you think they're going to go?

Anyway while we're busy pondering just how violent and criminal all the black people are - y'know oh so Trayvon-ish - might I mention what the rate of White on White Crime is, pray tell?

Straight from the 2011 FBI Uniform Crime Stats - No chaser.

Victim Total White Offender Black Offender
White     3,172     2,630     448
Black     2,695     193     2,447
Totals      5,867     2823     2,895
Note: there are more White on White Murders (2,630) than Black on Black (2,447) - although it should be noted this isn't all murders, simply those where both race of victim and offender have been identified as either black or white - with 1 victim and 1 offender each, yet this is only FBI Crime chart with this kind of racial breakdown so it has to do.

If black people are killing (under the limitations of this chart) about 2895 people, do you really think it's should be a point of pride that White Offenders are at 2823?

Here's a Percent Breakdown.

White Victim - White Offender 82% - Black Offender 14%

Black Victim -  White Offender - 7 % Black Offender 91%

I have to say if 91% is bad, then 82% IMO should still kinda bad too, but really all this reveals is that most murders happen among people who know each other or at least are far more likely to come in common contact with each other.  

But then of course, that should all be common sense.

These numbers show that a White Person is 5.8 Times more likely to be killed by another White person than a Black Person, whereas for Blacks it's about 12.6 Times.  So I wonder, where exactly is the justification that White People should be deathly afraid of Black people?  Both, by the numbers, should be more afraid of their own, than each other.

One could also look at overall gun death data from the CDC to get an idea of what's missing (involving multiple offenders and or victims) which comes to about 38,285 Gun Deaths per year, but then something else happens - you see that 19,766 of those (Over 52%) are Suicides.  The remainder of that 38k includes about 11,101 Gun Murders (28% of Gun Deaths, 56% the size of the Suicide Rate).  Even if you include non-gun murders that gets you to 15,953 (41% compared to all Gun Deaths), and still doesn't match the Suicide Numbers by Hand Guns.  If you strain down to Gang-Related gun deaths, according to they say the Gang-Related Gun Death total is 8,900 and argue that's bad beaus it's 80% of all guns deaths.  They don't mention that it's only 55% of all murders, and still only 45% compared to Gun Suicides.

Nor do they claim all of those 8,900 gun deaths are perpetrated by Black on Black crime, because a) the CDC doesn't track offender data AFAIK and b) common sense says - They. Are. Not.

Asians, Latinos, Russians, Irish and yes - even Italians - still have Gangs too.

The GodFather, Good Fellas, The Sopranos, Gangs of New York, Scarface and The Undeparted may be fiction, but they aren't entirely fantasy either.

It would seem to me that although Black on Black crime isn't great, White on White crime is No Picnic, whereas Suicides by Gun dwarfs them all. So what problem should we really be trying to fix first?

I tweeted some of this yesterday to various conservatives and one came back with - a per capita comparison - included is my response.

There's more White people in the country, so I guess they should get the benefit of the numerics - even though their murder count is about the same.  Yeah, ok - let's see what else in world, like employment discrimination, housing discrimination, loan discrimination are out of wack?

How about the percentage of times that a White Person is likely to be Acquitted in a the Murder of a Black Person?  What are those numbers?

White people who kill black people in 'Stand Your Ground' states are 354% more likely to be cleared of murder

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The result was drawn from a study using FBI data conducted by John Roman, a senior analyst at Urban Institute’s Justice Policy Center.
Roman analysed the pool of 43,500 homicides by race in states with Stand Your Ground laws and those without them.  

He found that whites who kill blacks in non-Stand Your Ground states are 250 percent more likely to be found justified in killing a black person than a white person who kills another white person.

But in Stand Your Ground states, that number jumps to 354 percent.

Which brings us back to why the Trayvon Martin case is and was a big deal in the first place.  Yes, there is an issue with Gang Crime, and it does involve Black Victims and Black Offenders more than pretty much anyone would like - but it's not EXCLUSIVE to them - nor is it like No One Cares.  Gangs can be tough nut to crack, they had to use the IRS to get Capone.

Generally speaking though, where possible, those people get prosecuted.  Nobody says they shouldn't be.

Meanwhile, the issue that truly got everyone up in arms wasn't the fact that Trayvon died - truth to tell there was no media attention about it under over a month later when Zimmerman's 9-11 tape was first released - it was about who did the killing, why he claims to have killed him, the fact that it was an unarmed teenager - and the fact that he wasn't even arrested until 44 days after the event.

All of that with "Fucking Punk Assholes always get away" kinda got people's attention.

People felt, because the facts and the stats back this up, that when even a half-white man kills a black kid - he's going to get away with it.

And so far, he has.


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  •  These knuckleheads should have (2+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan, a2nite

    Father Pfleger smack them around a while.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 08:42:47 AM PDT

  •  Unfortunately (9+ / 0-)

    This idea (that the knee-jerk response to hearing about white on Black crime is to bring up Black on Black crime) is categorically NOT a "right wing meme." Just spend some time reading right here at Daily Kos on the subject - and weep.

    Sorry, but the right wing is not alone on this one.  You can figure out for yourself why (it's not difficult, when one is honest) they share a mindset with too many of their brethren and sistren on this issue.

    As I said, just do a search--and weep.

  •  I was just watching a youtube on Al Capon (2+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan, cotterperson

    and I just used him in a comment on another diary .
    People who get away with murder ...

    The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

    by indycam on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 08:52:39 AM PDT

  •  Thanks Vyan nt (2+ / 0-)
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    CaliSista, cotterperson

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 09:03:41 AM PDT

  •  To the wingers and others, I would (4+ / 0-)

    argue that the overwhelming majority of us also support prosecution and punishment when Black men kill Black 17 year olds

    "Someone just turned the lights on in the bar and the sexiest state doesn't look so pretty anymore" CA Treasurer Bill Lockyer on Texas budget mess

    by CaliSista on Tue Jul 16, 2013 at 10:06:00 AM PDT

  •  Stand your ground is a racist law, and we've (1+ / 0-)
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    got proof.

    Are we strong enough to get them repealed? Would it require a Constitutional Amendment? What would it take?

  •  6.18x= AA vs non-AA rel. homicide proclivity index (1+ / 0-)
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    Clearly there are many socio-economic factors at play, but if you're trying to argue the case using statistics, you definitely have to include per-capita calculations.

    In that table:
    - blacks committed 2958 out of the 6131 homicides. That's 48%. The black population is about 13%.
    - the rest of the 87% population committed 52% of the homicides.

    What we may call the "black vs non-black relative homicide proclivity index" can be calculated as:

    black vs non-black relative homicide proclivity index=

    (0.48/0.13)/(0.52/.87) = 6.18x

    IOW, comparatively, blacks are 6.2x more prone to commit homicide than non-blacks. Sorry, that's what the numbers say.

    Doing the same calculation for whites is a bit harder because of sub-categories such as "white hispanics." But we can take the "white" population to be in  the range of 63% to 78% (see here for why), and do calculations at both ends of the range:

    - blacks committed 2904 out of the 6131 homicides. That's 47.4%. The white population is in the range of 63-78%.

    Using 63%:

    white vs non-white relative homicide proclivity index =
    (0.474/0.63)/(0.526/.37) = 0.529x
    Using 78%:
    white vs non-white relative homicide proclivity index =
    (0.474/0.78)/(0.526/.22) = 0.254x
    Therefore, the white vs non-white relative homicide proclivity index lies in the range of 0.25x and 0.53x, i.e. whites are about one-fourth to one-half as likely to commit homicides compared to non-whites.

    We don't have direct hispanic (whose socio-economic conditions are comparable to those of blacks) data here, but my guess is that the numbers don't look good for blacks in comparison with crime by hispanics, either.

    •  typo (0+ / 0-)

      'blackswhites committed 2904 out of the 6131 homicides'

      •  That's just looking at it (0+ / 0-)

        from population numbers and sure, with Blacks 1/6th the population while almost even numbers of homicides, you get a 6:1 ratio.

        To use this to say that All Blacks are 6 times more likely to kill someone is probably a gross misuse of that data. Bureau of Justice Statistics say that over 60% of Black American men will Never Commit Any CRIME, will be in the custody of the justice system.

        But just what are those socio-economic factors?  How would things break down if you look at the murder rate by income level?  By Educational Background? (None of which is included in the FBI Stats, nor is in the CDC or Census Data) Then of course you have to note that - generally speaking - we do know that Blacks are far over-represented in both those areas compared to other demographic groups.

        How does that factor in, or does it?

        After you control for all of that would you get an answer that says the poor and undereducated impoverished blacks are more likely to commit murder than equally poor whites impoverished?

        Would you see those rate decline as affluence increases?

        Maybe, but then again, maybe not.  If we're going to tailor ration law enforcement policy we ought to know those numbers, I'm not sure we do.

        •  ugh, multi typos... (0+ / 0-)

          but I think you get my drift.

        •  Thanks for this diary as a whole, and for this (0+ / 0-)

          response.  THe stereotypes about color and crime have to be countered, and there's information here to help.  You asked whether "poor and undereducated impoverished blacks are more likely to commit murder than equally poor impoverished whites?"

          I've often wished I could get better data on that, but it's hard to come by.  Part of the problem is that poor blacks are more likely to be urban (therefore more easily surveyed) while a large number of poor whites are rural.  That includes the white underclass studied by Ron Mincy a decade or so ago -- "underclass" meaning that they have the multi-generational poverty, high drop-out rates, social alienation, lack of expectation that they can get a job, etc., often associated with some black urban areas.

          I don't know exactly how crime rates compare.  But in general, it's pretty clear in US urban history that IRish neighborhoods were high crime at one point and arent' now; that Italian neighborhoods were tough, mafia-dominated places, and most aren't now; that the Polish slums in Gary Indiana aren't what they used to be; and that black middle class neighborhoods -- do I have to be this obvious? -- don't have the same crime rates as impoverished slums.

          More black people than white people, proportionately, live in poverty; and violence rates are higher in poor neighborhoods.  That makes it just about meaningless to simply compare crime rates for whites and blacks without taking other factors into account.

          --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

          by Fiona West on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 02:41:43 PM PDT

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  •  The biggest racial disparity in crime (0+ / 0-)

    is for forcible rape.  In 2008, over 19,000 black on white rapes, no (statistically, may be up to 10)
    white on black rapes.  (, Table 42 of applicable report).

    •  Where on earth did you get this toxic lie? (0+ / 0-)

      Have you been reading VDare?  StormFront?  Or did some blogger just repeat this hysterical far-right claim to you and you believed it?

      Some facts:
      --THe FBI collects crime statistics on a national level, but does not publish stats on interracial rape.
      --The Bureau of Justice Statistics does conduct a survey each year of about 135,000 crime victims, and publishes the results.  This includeds a breakdown of interracial rapes.
      --It's a small sample of crime victims.  And interracial rape is relatively rare by ALL reports.  Most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows, and we are still a fairly segregated society. Those we know are predominantly the same color.
      --Generally, there are so few interracial rapes reported in the survey -- fewer than 10 -- that the survey considers then statistically zero.

      That means zero for WHITE ON BLACK rape and also zero for BLACK ON WHITE RAPE.

      This has been twisted into a complete falsehood, a fairy tale of decent white men and bestial black men-- and will be passed around the internet for something approaching forever.

      But anyone who wants to check it out can google it in minutes.

      You need to ask yourself why such an obviously far-fetched claim didn't send you to Google, or other sources.  What are the racial assumptions in your mind that made you swallow this bit of toxic propaganda?

      --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

      by Fiona West on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 04:41:47 PM PDT

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      •  What are you blathering about? (0+ / 0-)

        I googled "interracial crime" to check facts from this diary and found this info.  I referenced a federal agency.  Here's another example, for 2005 (table 42):

        Again, tens of thousands of black on white rape near zero for white on black.  This is fully consistent with my experience living in Atlanta.  The assertion that black on white rape is laughable. If you can't except this you either don't understand math or are blinded by racial prejudice.

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