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Behold the power of an informed electorate. Rep. Daniel Webster (R-FL) held a town hall on Thursday, and didn't see any of those "grassroots" shutdown supporters some of his colleagues are encountering. No, he had a completely different experience.
Attendees asked Webster if he had any plans to replace consumer protections included in Obamacare, such as guaranteed insurance coverage for Americans with pre-existing medical conditions and free preventative health screenings for seniors:
QUESTIONER: What happens to us when Obamacare is repealed? What happens to people with pre-existing conditions that can’t get health care? What happens to those of us who finally have access to health insurance for the first time in nine or ten years? What happens to us? And you want to make this local, I’ll make this local. I’m a constituent, right now I can’t get health care. I’m waiting for this [insurance marketplace] to open and I’d like to know why we keep repealing [Obamacare]?
The congressman defended his repeal votes by saying the law would drive up Americans’ health care costs by requiring insurers to cover people with pre-existing conditions. He then claimed that President Barack Obama himself thinks his signature law is unworkable. As evidence, Webster implied that the law’s protections—such as its cap on consumers’ annual out-of-pocket medical costs—were being dismantled by the Obama administration. That prompted an outcry from the audience, as people booed and countered Webster’s claims.
This audience knew what he was lying about, and told him so, which must have been a shock for Mr. 40-repeal-votes Congressman. For example, his constituents set him straight about the delay on the cap on consumers' out-of-pocket costs, telling him it was a one-year delay, and not a dismantling of the law.

Health Care for American Now, which provided the video of the event, as well as local partners like Organize Now are making sure that FreedomWorks and Heritage Action and all the astroturfers who made August 2009 about the lies of Obamacare are countered this August.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM PDT.

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  •  Taliban Dan ran in Grayson's old district. I'll (15+ / 0-)

    bet there were some Bold Progressives in that audience.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 12:38:26 PM PDT

    •  Daniel Webster beat Grayson in 2010. (11+ / 0-)

      Grayson was able to run in a new district after redistricting.

      Because of his name, I distinctly remember him being a leader in the 2000 presidential election in FL. He was one of those who wanted to seat a different group of electors if Gore was declared the winner in FL.

      I'm glad his constituents are schooling him. Couldn't happen to a nicer fellow.

      •  Daniel Webster (0+ / 0-)

        This tool doesn't deserve the name of a great 19th century orator.

        •  I am wondering (0+ / 0-)

          if he is the same Social Security judge who gave my husband hell for trying to get social security disability?  Even the lawyer my husband had was afraid of him.  He said forget it, we have lost, when he found out it was him that was the judge.  Funny, the VA found my husband is and has been for many years 100% disabled.  But by the time we got that decision, he couldn't qualify for SSD.  He almost died before anyone recognized how sick he was, except me of course.  You are right, he doesn't deserve the name.  Bet it is the same guy.  

    •  Amazing what happens when the people speak (7+ / 0-)

      The well-informed get to call out the lies and propaganda. That little town hall must have set back his digestion a bit.

      On the other hand, nothing short of not getting re-elected will have a chance of getting this guys head out of his ass. And even that probably wouldn't work. There's always RW think tanks looking for his kind.

      "Let there be song to fill the air." R. Hunter

      by RUKind on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:47:14 PM PDT

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  •  Do the admins laugh (secretly of course) at idiots (1+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat

    (like yours truly) that get themselves involved and engulfed in a flame war? Do you guys place bets as to which idiot will be the next to have a meltdown and get HRd? ("look at DefendOurConstitution going up in flames again! $5 he gets HRd within 5 minutes!")

    Joking aside, I appreciate that herding cats is probably a lot easier than dealing with the populace here. I appreciate the work that you all do.

  •  If people don't have enough money to pay (7+ / 0-)

    for medical care, that's because the people who are in charge of the money have been rationing its distribution and letting it trickle down to their friends. And who might those people in charge of the money be? The Constitution says it's none other than Congress.

  •  About freaking time! (18+ / 0-)

    About time Seniors (a big chunk of the GOP base) got up on their hind legs with their Congresscritters!
    Bet it came as a shock to Webster and his handlers.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 12:55:36 PM PDT

  •  Let's hope it's just a one-year delay. (2+ / 0-)
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    nocynicism, qofdisks

    Otherwise, it'll start looking like a "dismantling".

    The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

    by TheOrchid on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:06:43 PM PDT

  •  His district is not ruby red and moving to blue (6+ / 0-)

    The demographics is changing in a large swath of Florida which includes Webster's district.  GOP is loosing support with retirees with their Ryan budget.  I am not surprised that the tea party isn't strong in that area.  It is just a matter of a few election cycles before Webster is replaced.  

  •  Glad to see this happening. Make these people (14+ / 0-)

    face actual constituents who want actual legislation that serves them, from their elected officials.

    A word about the 1-year delay:
    My son works for an urban restaurant which is part of a larger, privately-owned company.  When Obamacare passed, the owners at first decided to break up into smaller companies to avoid requiring them to offer healthcare to all their employees, but in the end decided to do the right thing by them and stay one company, following the law.  Like many restaurants, they have an employee population that is a regular United Nations.  Many of their employees have "complicated" immigration status--some are completely legal, some are quasi-legal, some have visa issues that make them extremely nervous and cautious.  My son, who is completely on board with Obamacare, and needs to do a lot of the paperwork to follow the requirements, says the go-to people in the gov't for implementation don't have a clue how to handle these variations in immigration status.  They have no answers to questions, aren't sure how to fill in the paperwork, keep promising to get back to him with answers (and don't).  He says that the extra year is essential for the government to bring workplaces like his--and there are many, beyond only restaurants--into compliance, without endangering the employees.  

    "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

    by SottoVoce on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:20:28 PM PDT

    •  Just cover all the employees. Problem solved. (1+ / 0-)
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      I do believe that most other countries with "socialized" medicine are enlightened enough to cover foreigners.

      •  Sounds easier than it is. (1+ / 0-)
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        For the safety of these employees' complicated immigration statuses--a common phenomenon in restaurants--the employers have to tread carefully while bringing them into the system.  And the govt people aren't fully up to snuff in handling individual cases.

        "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

        by SottoVoce on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 02:16:23 PM PDT

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      •  Rand Paul on The Daily Show (0+ / 0-)

        With the British-born substitute host John Oliver, Sen. Paul tried to make a point about the "evils of socialized medicine" by pointing out that John was from the UK.  John replied that it's a lot better here for him, and he will not be moving back (he did not give a specific reason).  So the Senator started in on his "taxes too high and have to wait too long for a doctor" but before he could finish the next sentence, Oliver (probably realizing that he had given the wrong impression) interrupted, "But if i get SICK I'm on the next plane back.  They'll take care of me."

        If a celebrity who probably makes enough to afford the BEST health plan available here, and probably moved here to avoid the taxes, says he would rather take advantage of his former homeland's FREE service (admittedly paid for by taxes he is NO LONGER paying) than to get care here that he could well afford, then the care could not be WORSE there than here; otherwise he would say he could afford to pay our exhorbitant doctor bills (and premiums) and he would rather pay them and get superior quality.  So the superior quality claim must not be all that, right?

        Perhaps America is an exception because of all of our "illegal immigrants on welfare" (which they cannot get), but other countries apparently have enough slack in their health care budgets to take good care of tourists (the US probably has fewer tourists than the UK, or France, or Germany, or Sweden, most of their tourists being from the US) for free, or at reduced cost.

        It's just common sense that health care paid by ALL of society as a cost of staying healthy is more efficient than health care charged to the SICK individuals, which is STILL paid for by everyone if the sick cannot pay.  Not to mention that epidemics would be caught and stopped faster if the first patients, likely to be the uninsured, were not discouraged from seeking help by the cost.  Just as we don't charge people a "fire premium" to get a response from the fire department (except in a few rural places), and we don't charge a "police premium" in order to report being a victim of crime.

  •  Good. More of this, please. (5+ / 0-)
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    Fury, Railfan, micsimov, Aunt Pat, Gemina13

    Life is good. Injustice? Not so much.

    by westyny on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:33:59 PM PDT

  •  About friggin time! nt (4+ / 0-)
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    this just in, Railfan, Aunt Pat, Gemina13
  •  The Sleeping Giant of Truth Awakes! n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    willynel, Aunt Pat, Gemina13

    Nurse Kelley says my writing is brilliant and my soul is shiny - who am I to argue?
    Left/Right: -7.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

    by Bud Fields on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:47:07 PM PDT

  •  This is wonderful.... (3+ / 0-)
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    texasmom, Aunt Pat, Gemina13

    And something we should all be doing in are different areas.

    Blue or Red, we need to call them out on their lies.

    Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

    by Morgan Sandlin on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:48:25 PM PDT

    •  Or we can call our congressfolk (3+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, qofdisks, Gemina13

      and ask the same questions - if we are so unlucky as to be represented by a Republican.  I have and will again - my main questions are:

      1.  When will my grad school student be dropped from our family policy?  How much notice will we have to find new individual and more expensive coverage for him?

      2.  How will all insurers reinstate the lifetime maximum benefit cap?  Will it be up to each insurance company? Will it go back to the origination of the policy (many yrs. in our case) or start over at zero as of repeal?

      I hope people will take the time to call and register their sincere concerns.  

      The truth always matters.

      by texasmom on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:54:40 PM PDT

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  •  Haha... (3+ / 0-)
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    cuphalffull, Aunt Pat, Gemina13

    Informed voters to the left of me,
    'Baggers to the right, here I am,
    Stuck in the middle with myself.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

    by RichM on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:48:49 PM PDT

  •  Wow. Worthy of Goebbels. (5+ / 0-)

    The President wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act?   These people will do or say anything.  People of the Lie.

  •  Slowly, the tide may be turning on the anti-Obamac (5+ / 0-)

    care crowd. I just got my AARP August magazine today, and they too had lots of positives on the new health care act. Now if we can just get Mr. Obama out there this fall to really rally the troops!!!

  •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat

    I will remember that in "discussions" with fellow posters on other sites.

  •  My grandmother used to winter in Winter Haven. (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, Gemina13

    That's a big retirement community full of seniors.

    If this is happening in other areas of Florida, this could be a big surprise for the Republicans come 2014.

  •  Rep. Dan'l Webster is Gonna Get Himself "Repealed" (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, Gemina13

    When he's no longer in Congress, he'd better hope he doesn't get sick if FL's Republican governor drags his heels and fails to fully implement the state's portion of Obamacare.

    Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

    by Limelite on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 01:58:24 PM PDT

  •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

    What we needed was another article on how fucked up Republicans are...
    At least no writer here on Kos is giving any space to a military Junta supplied by the US gunning down peaceful protests against the Junta...

    cause...if we ignore our role in what took place and is taking least we can comment on the shiny thing of Republicans suck and after all who would support something called the Muslim Brotherhood?

    Quick quiz..
    How many days before rights advocate Kos posts on the front page condemnation over Junta murder? ..or well anyone...?

    Sorry for this..but goddamn it I have seen it too many times before.. and the cricket response ..from a place i did not expect it..pisses me off..still..

    "It did not happen if we ignore it."

  •  Yeah well (0+ / 0-)

    Who the fuck voted for this asshole in the first place?  I bet the same people who are all pissed off and yelling.  And I bet they vote for him again, too, just because, well, I dunno, Arabs or something.

  •  a few nights ago, i was listening to npr and heard (3+ / 0-)

    a bunch of disinformation on the ACA .  I was so disgusted, I wrote them this e-mail:

    I could not believe when I heard whoever you had speaking this evening about Obamacare (just before 6, i think) added NPR to the list of those spreading horrible disinformation about the ACA.

    Your speaker suggested there are ‘several’ things being delayed.  NOT TRUE.  
    The only full delay/exemption was to employers with over 50 staff.

    Your speaker stated that out of pocket caps would not be implemented.  NOT TRUE.  
    Out of pocket caps will exist on the exchanges AND for all employer based plans wherein one company manages both health care and pharmaceuticals.  Those companies whose health care plan is separate from their drug plan are the only ones with an extension (which I also don’t like – they have had 4 years to get their act together but now claim these two systems can’t communicate).  Even those plans will actually have caps, but because each separate plan has the cap, the cap is essentially doubled for persons in those split coverage plans.  

    Then your speaker had the audacity to state that there is talk of not implementing the exchanges in October. NOT TRUE
    – this is the most egregious of statements made.  The fact is, some Republicans have requested that the exchanges be delayed for supposed data security reasons, not a single sole anywhere in the administration has suggested this nonsense.  There is no ‘talking about this’ by anyone who matters.  Do you really wish to report as news just anything that comes out of some Republican’s mouth these days?  If so, you are as crazy as most of them are.

    I would expect you to correct this disinformation with an on air correction.

    How shameful.  Where the hell did you find this so called expert?  I have better information just reading from a blog!  I would suggest you raise your standards for your ‘experts’.

    I had an acknowledgement that they would pass this along.  no other direct response, so i just went and checked the link they provided me in their e-mail and, lo and behold, they still have disinformation posted on their site.  At least they do clarify there that it is just Republicans asking for a delay of the exchanges.

    What BS.  I left a long comment there, including a copy of my e-mail.

    If you'd like to leave your own comments with NPR (Philly), here's the link:

    "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

    by MRA NY on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 02:49:42 PM PDT

    •  I refuse to listen to NPR anymore... (2+ / 0-)
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      MRA NY, Gemina13

      They, as a "liberal" voice, give validity to GOP lies.

      I should note that I tell this to everyone who mentions NPR, and would love to see them go off the air.


      I hope that, during my lifetime, there will be a liberal president.

      by rantsposition on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 04:41:17 PM PDT

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      •  I've heard several rumblings about them here (2+ / 0-)
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        rantsposition, Gemina13

        over the last year, but recently I've been witness to some of this crap - this was not the first time they got my Irish up!  though it is the first time I gave them feedback.

        thing is, I don't have sirius and there is little else to listen to around here,

        "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

        by MRA NY on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 06:20:23 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  They have to be careful (1+ / 0-)
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        They still receive a TINY bit of their funding through Congress, and Congress has passed laws making their honor system financing legal with the FCC (and allowing donations to be deductible).  If they p*ed off the GOP too badly, all the wingnuts would be yelling to close them down AGAIN, and a future GOP Congress and President might really shut them down.

        So they have to make their debunking of GOP lies very subtle, so that their INTELLIGENT listeners get it but the wackos who scream at town hall meetings on the right will not get it.  They have to SOUND impartial, as in "Scientists have found a 3 million year old fossil of a hominid in ... BUT other scientists, with the Creation Institute, say the fossil cannot be more than 6000 years old, and could not be related to humans, more likely one of the nephilim mentioned in Genesis."  Or, "the dust plume from the Russian meteor has drifted around the world, IF the world is really round."

  •  Peaceful Confromtation (0+ / 0-)

    It is clear that we must confron guys like this and then vote them out of office now and show no quarter.  This guy for instance because he has lied openly should be voted out of office.  Unless he does this:  gets rid of his provided health insurance and that of his wife, children too just so we know how much it hurts.  Vote him out, don't give him another chance.

  •  The REAL Daniel Webster I suspect would have done (0+ / 0-)

    some kind of violence to this poor substitute...

    They that have power to hurt, and will do none

    by richardvjohnson on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 04:02:35 PM PDT

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