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Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) holds up a copy of the U.S. Constitution during the Senate nomination hearing of Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito on Capitol Hill in Washington January 11, 2006. Roman Catholics would be the majority on the U.S. Supreme Court for the first time if Alito is confirmed -- a historically remarkable prospect in a country where
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I think we're getting perilously close to the time when we can all write off Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn as a gibbering idiot.
Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn said Wednesday that President Obama was getting “getting perilously close” to the Constitutional standard for impeachment. Coburn was speaking at the Muskogee, Oklahoma Civic Center.
If you think Coburn is going to provide any coherent argument to support that statement whatsoever, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
“What you have to do is you have to establish the criteria that would qualify for proceedings against the president and that’s called impeachment” Coburn said, responding to a question about holding President Obama accountable. “That’s not something you take lightly and you have to use a historical precedent of what that means. I think there’s some intended violation of the law in this administration, but I also think there’s a ton of incompetence of people who are making decisions.”
Well yes, yes you do. To the apparent irritation of the entire Republican caucus, you are still nominally supposed to establish some criteria that might justify impeaching the president before you start contemplating whether or not to impeach the president. Something. Anything. While apparently we are in a time when some Republican congressmen summon legal teams in order to assign them the task of coming up with some plausible reason to impeach the president, I think you are generally supposed to have some particular outrage in mind before you get, er, outraged about it.

More on Sen. Coburn below the fold.

That was the original theory, anyway. In practice you can also go the Ken Starr route; that had been discredited for a while due to that whole being-a-stain-on-the-nation-and-an-embarassment-to-all-concerned bit, but enough of it seems to have finally been forcibly clubbed down the memory hole, now, and the newcomers seem to have a fondness for the thing.

This isn't some Rep. NoName Bumblefuck, though, this is Sen. Tom Coburn, who we all recognize as a very important person because other important people will not stop rattling on about it, and also because Tom Coburn has considerably more than his fair share when it comes to making sure world's greatest deliberative body cannot so much as sneeze without three hearings, two secret holds and five sniffling letters to other government officials about how this or that is the greatest outrage everz, probably, maybe, if you squint just right and look at it sideways. All right, Mr. Coburn, knock us out. Tell us what the intended violation of the law might be. Tell us what level of "incompetence" compares to the military fiascos, anti-terrorism ball-dropping and economic catastrophe visited upon us by the last president, the one who will not be named.

No? Nothing much? Throw us a bone here, give us something to work with. Surely you didn't plan on piping up on how very close to impeachable the president's actions have been only to shrug your shoulders and say that you can't be bothered to think about it too hard or to explain why.

“My little wiggle out of that when I get that written to me is I believe that needs to be evaluated and determined but thank goodness it doesn’t have to happen in the Senate until they’ve brought charges in the House. Those are serious things but we’re in a serious time. I don’t have the legal background to know if that rises to high crimes and misdemeanor but I think they’re getting perilously close.”
Oh, you poor dumb jackass. Yes, thank goodness you don't have to worry your gargantuan head over whether or not any of what you are saying is utter bullshit, since other people will have to come up with the precise wording of the bullshit first. Thank goodness we can all just agree among our Republican selves that, shit, son, there's got to be something in there worth impeaching a sitting president for, but we don't really have to worry about it until Darrell Issa finally comes up with a crayon drawing that the rest of us can put on the Senate fridge with a straight face.

And for the record, I see absolutely nothing to indicate that we are in a serious time. All evidence suggests we are in a decidedly un-serious time. We bleat on about fake scandals, not even having the decency anymore to drop them after they have been roundly disproven. We have a Congress that ties itself in knots even over its most basic, primitive tasks, primarily because it is too preoccupied with drawing up various Obamacair is bad dumhead scribbles and launching them, giggling, over to the other branches of government. There are a very large number of very serious things happening in the world, to be sure, but to say we are in serious times implies that we might be doing jack-all about any of them, and that is the singular most prominent thing we are not doing. No matter what economic or legislative building might be on fire, we still get the same clown-driven firetruck circus act; lots of selzer, a few painful looking gimmicks with the ladder, and bucket after bucket of confetti hurled hither and tither and yon. If you are going to mutter about serious times, you need to at least take the brightly colored rubber nose off. If you are going to furrow your brow and look troubled about serious times, you ought to at least stop squeezing your rubber nose and yelling "Honk honk, impeachment!" at the audience.

Or not, whatever.

“Barack Obama is personal friend of mine. He became my friend in the Senate but that does not mean I agree in anyway with what he’s doing or how he’s doing it. And I quite frankly think he’s in a difficult position he’s put himself in and if it continues, I think we’re going to have another constitutional crisis in our country in terms of the presidency,” Coburn concluded.
If he continues what, precisely? Be specific. Hell, be unspecific. Is it the pursuing policies that the Republican Party does not like, is that the impeachable thing? Is it the wanting to put judges on benches, even if the other party has decided that they no longer want any judges, thank you? Is it Benghazi? Please tell me it is Benghazi. Please tell me that you are contemplating impeaching a president for allowing a terrorist attack on a foreign-based embassy, because by God, I have a list of people who need to have their names scrubbed from various buildings and freeways and aircraft carriers post haste, if that is the standard now. It can't be the IRS "scandal," because even I give Tom Coburn more credit than that, and I am generally someone who suspects Tom Coburn would get his head stuck in a mailbox if he didn't have two staff members at all times keeping him from doing it. Crap, man, just write ACORN on your forehead and go with that, don't make your constituents strain their noggins on these things.

We might just write this up to pandering. Perhaps Sen. Tom Coburn is not, in fact, as addled as he comes across, and knows full well he doesn't have a shred of anything he can point to as the unforgivable crime of the current presidency, but he is just humoring a group of clearly touched-in-the-head constituents in order to make them feel good about themselves. That is, though, just as bad. We are in the position we are in precisely because Mr. Coburn's party has yet to find a constituent yet whose ideas are so ridiculous or so offensive that some thrice-elected boil will not eagerly agree with them. The president is not really an American? Run with it! The president is secretly Muslim, is secretly against America, is secretly possibly in league with Muslim terrorists? Hell, anything's possible! The president is "packing the courts" by nominating judges to open positions on courts? The fiend. The president used his partisan mind-waves to task the IRS with track down conservative and liberal political groups illegally masquerading as nonpartisan outlets and slightly annoy them? That is the most Nixonian thing ever, and not at all the ravings of the single most boring and least creative insane person ever born anywhere, at any time.

We have now reached the point where even conservative senators muttering about impeachment has become old hat. The level of ridiculousness has gotten so high that by God, it's actually gotten boring. It's to the point where you can look at any given video of any given speech by any given leader of the Republican tribe and just presume that it is going to be nothing more than a stream of drivel about one or 20 different conspiracy theories, a tired propping up of death panels or birth certificates or ammo hoarding or some new level of tyranny from the Bush administration that was only discovered to be tyranny now. What happens now? What happens when the clowns have been performing so long that nobody else thinks they're funny, or even interesting? Do the clowns just keep on going, keep on putting on that same show? Is there a bigger, better rubber nose in development, something that will really wow the crowds this time and save the whole bit?

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  •  Here is how a favor is returned. (30+ / 0-)

    Remember that time we ignored war crimes, and actual impeachable offenses for an administration.   Good times!

    The tent got so big it now stands for nothing.

    by Beelzebud on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:05:20 AM PDT

    •  Indeed. Why take the supposed high road (7+ / 0-)

      when no one gives you credit for it, and instead just stabs you in the back?

      To tweet or not to tweet. I tweet therefore I am.

      by RadicalParrot on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:17:19 AM PDT

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    •  You should welcome a Republican impeachment (13+ / 0-)

      attempt. It may be the final bit that blows the party to smithereens.  Such talk by the Republicans is stupid in the extreme.

      Actually attempting to impeach Obama?

      Beyond stupid.

      By a lot.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:31:15 AM PDT

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    •  We ignored 'em twice (20+ / 0-)

      because don't forget Reagan also committed impeachable offenses -- arms for hostages, violation of the Boland Amendment -- and the Democrats in their wisdom and mercy, thinking of the "greater good of the nation," let him walk.

      Ah, the Democrats and the greater good!  Good ol' Al Gore acceding to SCOTUS's coup, even though he not only won the popular vote but had clearly won Florida as well.

      You think any of this Republican crew would do anything like that?  McConnell?  Boehner?  Limbaugh?

      Makes me laugh.  A bitter, twisted laugh, that ends with me weeping for my country...

      The efforts to repeal Obamacare are the GOP Abort Obamacare Act. lynneinfla

      by litho on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:31:17 AM PDT

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      •  And don't forget... (12+ / 0-)

        Nixon, should have gone to jail and sent a message to all politicians that they are not above the law.

        We can have democracy in this country, or we can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis Brandeis

        by Ohkwai on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:04:17 AM PDT

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        •  9/11 was an impeachable offense (6+ / 0-)

          The utter disregard on the part of the Bush administration for the repeated warnings it was given about Al Qaeda represents the most grotesque instance of criminal negligence in this nation's history.  As such, it should have merited impeachment.  

          So too should the outing of Valerie Plame.

          The blatant lies leading to the Iraq War.  Not to mention the fact that the war itself violated international law.

          On the other hand, John Kerry looks French and Al Gore is fat now. So what do I know??????

          When you punch enough holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

          by Roddy McCorley on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:25:55 PM PDT

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        •  I'm too over-educated for my own good (1+ / 0-)
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          At the time, I thought, "Ford's trying to avoid that whole Caesar-at-the-Rubicon thing."

          Pompey and the Optimates hadn't given Caesar an out.  If he stayed in Gaul, he'd be hunted down as a rebel.  If he went back to Rome, he'd be put on trial and probably executed.

          The river Rubicon was the border between Gaul and Italy.  By crossing it with his army, Caesar would be at war with the Optimates.  "Alea iacta est," and all that.

          Like Ford would actually think such things.  It was a done deal when he became VP, a pardon for the presidency.

          Now I'm all in favor of locking up as many corrupt politicians as possible.  Man, have we got a lot of them!

          Tell me what to write. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

          by rbird on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:30:04 PM PDT

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      •  Gore was truly wrong to give up (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Dear Tom Coburn (5+ / 0-)

      What would YOU know about "impeachable offenses"?

      Ronnie of RayGun was both senile and presided over a presidency wherein Iran-Contra took place - to be fair, his VP who was formerly head of the CIA probably headed that one behind his back - but Ronnie should have resigned when his Alzheimer's was becoming apparent.  I can't have been the only one who noticed it when he started acting like my grandfather who was going senile at the same time.

      Bush the elder should never have been elected president, and he had his own little foray into Iraq to protect his and his oil cronies' interests there.  Wrong move to use a public military paid for with our tax dollars to protect private commercial interests (which was also behind Dumbya's invasion).  Plus, I doubt anyone ever investigated the elder's role in Iran-Contra and the extent to which he may have run the country when Ronnie was going senile.

      Then there was Dumbya and Dickie, both of whom should have been impeached.  Somewhere online is likely a leftover list of lies and crimes numbering over a thousand at one point (Dennis Kucinich listed a bunch of them when he used a personal resolution the first time to impeach Dumbya and spoke over four hours).  But you all in Congress did NOTHING to impeach a lying war criminal who authorized torture (torture! - and you stood mute and applauded him and paid for his misadventures based on lies in Afghanistan and Iraq and authorized new buildings to be built at Gitmo)... isn't that right, Nancy-impeachment-is-off-the-table Pelosi and John Conyers who followed her orders...???

      Obama's sin/crime is in following the same policies and retaining the same Repuke reichwingnut advisers and heads of departments as Dumbya, so Obama's an accessory; the illegal and unconstitutional use of drones to the extent he's done is all on Obama's shoulders.  He also tries to criminalize whistleblowers when they try to help us, and that's just wrong on so many levels.  Mostly Obama's a tool of the reichwingnuts because he wants to be seen as a bipartisan compromiser and he's in love with his own PR on that image because he kowtows to every criticism Dickie or his daughter yap about, and he caves to Boner every time because he's an enabler of the reichwingnuts.  Oh, he's given us a few victories now and then (Ledbetter, gays serving openly in the military, gay marriage), just no big victories that would save us a bundle of money and stop the infernal borrowing to commit war crimes (like closing Gitmo, ending the wars and occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq, or a sensible not-for-profit single-payer medical insurance).

      So, Tommy Tinker, you miserable little racist worm, if you couldn't impeach Dumbya and Dickie for their lies and war crimes, you got NO room to start the drumbeats to impeaching Obama (even though he's doing some of the same things Dumbya and Dickie did)..., so STFU!

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:24:20 PM PDT

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      •  That point (2+ / 0-)
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        "Ronnie should have resigned when his Alzheimer's was becoming apparent."
        Was the pre-election debates.

        America, we can do better than this...

        by Randomfactor on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 02:17:16 PM PDT

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        •  I know... but Media complied... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... and ignored his befuddlement because he knew how to distract them with bad jokes when he obviously had no comprehension what a question was about even.  As a B-List [or D List, IMHO] actor he could get through a typed speech, so Moronic Media dubbed him a "communicator."

          It wasn't until Nancy whispered a simple answer to a simple question and he repeated it sometime during his second term at the ranch that was caught on microphones that most people had a clue.

          It was pathetically obvious during the Iran-Contra hearings, too, which I watched on commercial TV, beginning to end (back in those days networks still had some sort of standards and actually ran important things - sans commentary and commercials - while preempting regular programming).  When Ronnie got these befuddled and fuzzy looks on his face to some questions and said he didn't remember or didn't know, I figured out right away that Bush the elder had set it up with his CIA connections and was probably running the country behind everyone's back (no one will say now, of course, because they're the same old pals and buddies who were also in Dumbya's cabinet and department posts, and they're all corporate loyalists - the loyalist criminals can be tracked in administrations going clear back to Nixon and keep showing up in Repuke administrations).  When Ronnie of RayGun said he didn't know something, he meant it... he had either forgotten it, never comprehended it, or was never told anything by Georgie the elder.

          Or maybe I just noticed the senility earlier because of having seen senile befuddlement up close and personal and knew what it looked and sounded like, so I never excused it as something else.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 02:35:29 PM PDT

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  •  Maybe we should just let them try... (20+ / 0-)

    Obviously we're just gonna go through this shit with every democrat that gets into office and obviously these idiots didn't learn anything from the Clinton years or think the public has forgotten so maybe the only way they are going to learn is to have it blow up in their faces again. Obviously once wasn't enough. As long as we take advantage of this opportunity and remind the public this is the real face of conservatism. A bunch of crybaby sore losers whining that they lost an election.

  •  Sorry to Pick Nits (8+ / 0-)

    But the term that actually works is Blithering Idiot!

    There is no right way to do the wrong thing!

    by HashHoward on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:11:43 AM PDT

  •  Coburn.....'serious' and 'gooper'.......never the (6+ / 0-)

    twain shall meet....They're all fucking crazy.

  •  The problem is that the President reads Coburn's (4+ / 0-)
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    words and thinks "is that what old Tom's out there saying?  [Chuckle chuckle].  That gasbag."  While we think we have to get riled up about what Coburn said, because !!!!asshole!!!!  

    We need to learn from the President.  No paying attention to same old same old asshole gas.  

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:11:46 AM PDT

  •  The saddest thing (3+ / 0-)
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    is that they might have a case if they went after the NSA spying and war on whistleblowers.
    But they won't.

    Hate Speech must remain legal. It reminds us that the hate is still out there.

    by SmallTownHick on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:12:40 AM PDT

  •  I almost wish (5+ / 0-)

    they would try.  They have nothing but it would be wonderful to make them put up or shut up about it all.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:12:53 AM PDT

    •  Remember (2+ / 0-)
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      for Clinton they talked the AG into hiring a special prosecutor who spent years looking for something to impeach him, and who finally found out that he lied about sex.  Saying the Rethugs should try implies letting them go that route again, and I really don't want to go there.

      Be bold. Be courageous. Americans are counting on you. Gabby Giffords.

      by Leftleaner on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 02:03:51 PM PDT

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      •  If I understand Coburn's town hall speech, (1+ / 0-)
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        his premise is that somewhere in the Code of Federal Regulation and the mamoth pile of Federal statutes, there are statutes he is charged with enforcing and which he has not enforced. NO great suggestion of which, although he mentioned IRS and EPA generally.

  •  Poster child (yes, I MEAN child) (2+ / 0-)
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    for the rank failure of our educational system.

    The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

    by MufsMom on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:13:08 AM PDT

  •  The GOP is bankrupt (9+ / 0-)

    of ideas and morals, they just keep hitting the same notes over and over again and hope that the song becomes a hit this time!

    And Senator Coburn is the President's friend? Don't make me laugh...

    Excellent piece Hunter!

    Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace. ~ Ulysses S Grant

    by vcmvo2 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:13:57 AM PDT

    •  Bankrupt of ideas and morals is par for the (1+ / 0-)
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      American political course in the 21st century. The thing that really sets them apart right now is how incredibly stupid they are being.  I know they're not stupid people because stupid people don't get that far, but they sure are proving my observation that the smartest people do the dumbest things.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:33:14 AM PDT

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      •  Yep! And they seem to be proud (4+ / 0-)
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        of their stupidest notions. Why yes the 40th vote to repeal Obamacare will work this time! :::eye roll:::

        Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace. ~ Ulysses S Grant

        by vcmvo2 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:12:42 AM PDT

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        •  I am baffled by their cowardice. (2+ / 0-)
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          It's not hard to explain that Democrats control the Senate.

          It's not hard to understand that the only base that could actually care about such things is not going to vote for the Democrats.

          It's not hard to understand that Republicans have same problem Democrats do, only worse: There aren't enough Republicans (or Democrats) to win an election. You have to win some independent voters to your side.

          Easiest of all is the math:

          Voters who will not vote Democratic cost you at most 1 vote -- the vote you might (but might not) lose.

          Winnable voters who might vote Democratic cost you as many as 2 votes: The vote you lost + the vote the Democrats win.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:56:49 AM PDT

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          •  Cowardice borne out of expediency (0+ / 0-)

            and corruption. They don't want to take responsibility for anything they do.

            Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace. ~ Ulysses S Grant

            by vcmvo2 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 01:26:26 PM PDT

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            •  That's the baffling part: it's not expedient. (2+ / 0-)
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              It's self defeating.

              You need look no further than Mitt Romney.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 02:18:59 PM PDT

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              •  Yeah there is always Mitt (2+ / 0-)
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                Of all the Republicans I have watched in my life, I don't get him at all. Terrible politician, it all looks painful to him and contrived.

                He has no political talent and yet he puts himself out there as if he wants to be there, then denies he wants to be there.

                It was painful just watching him lie. I think he plans to run again.

                Although a soldier by profession, I have never felt any sort of fondness for war, and I have never advocated it, except as a means of peace. ~ Ulysses S Grant

                by vcmvo2 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 04:08:57 PM PDT

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    •  Well actually (0+ / 0-)

      the President used his "friendship" with wacko Coburn frequently in the 2008 campaign to demonstrate his bipartisan bona fides, so it cuts both ways.  Some of my best friends are right wing morons, as it were.

      Given my views on this administration's sellouts on so many things, and the NSA stuff in particular, I can't summon too much outrage against blustery impeachment talk. Yeah so what.

    •  Coburn's announcement is the next GOP "hot issue" (1+ / 0-)
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      People we should have had enough experience with these Tea Party Republicans to recognize their Modus Operandi.
      Each "big issue" is put out to the MSM by some notable person in the Republican Party. Subsequently the "big issue" is picked up and expanded generally in the House of Representatives. The House will put a lot of energy into it simply because they have nothing else to do, as they have no interest in governing. They will do this in spite of the obvious fact that they know that anything they do will go nowhere in the Senate.

      Thus I expect that the calls for the impeachment of Obama will grow louder from the Republicans in the coming days. The Republicans will attempt to be more crafty on this impeachment issue. They may try to use Syria if in the future Obama initiates some limited military action in Syria as an outgrowth of the Gas attacks. In such a scenario they would craft articles of impeachment on the basis that Obama had exceeded his powers by starting another WAR without Congressional approval. If such situation were to arise it would be a tough one for the Democrats in the Senate, especially for many of the anti-war Democrats who have long opposed the Bush war years.

      So before we laugh and deride Coburn and his ilk for being silly clowns we must be careful that we do not underestimate the tactics of the enemy and thereby fail to adequately prepare for their attack.....


  •  So after they waste another year (5+ / 0-)

    Blathering on about the increasingly fictional outrages of an increasingly fictional world, when Election 2014 comes around what are voters going to be worried about, that Republicans are going to be talking about?

    My suspicion is, this disconnect is going to cost them dearly.

  •  Coburn is Scarborough's 'Go To' guy for (3+ / 0-)
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    reasonable whackadoodle.....No more Mourning Joke.

  •  Well, now, wait a second... (14+ / 0-)

    If Coburn is suggesting that we are NOT yet at the level of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' required for impeachment...


    Coburn voted to impeach Clinton for lying about extramarital sex (actually, he voted yes on all four articles of impeachment, but only two passed the House)...


    Nothing Obama has done has risen to the level of extramarital sex?

    The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

    by wesmorgan1 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:16:57 AM PDT

  •  Coburn was pandering to the Okies from Muskogee (6+ / 0-)

    who seem not to have learned too much over the 44 years that have elapsed since the Merle Haggard song.  They were dead wrong about the Viet Nam War back in 1969 and they are dead wrong about the Obama healthcare initiative in 2013.  Just why is Muskogee just so ignorant and proud of it?

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:17:13 AM PDT

  •  BRING. IT. ON. (9+ / 0-)

    Bill Clinton received the highest approval rating of his presidency in the Gallup Poll on the day the House of Representatives voted to impeach him.

    Two Democratic presidents, two impeachments. If that doesn't convince the voting public of the toxicity of today's Republican Party, nothing will.

    •  No kidding... (7+ / 0-)

      ... it seems they absolutely refuse to learn from their mistakes. Fighting immigration reform, threatening a government shut down, and now threatening impeachment for their silly made-up reasons. It's like they're daring the American public to vote stupid... and 48% still will.

      •  For Clinton, they had an actual (6+ / 0-)

        criminal offense, though his perjury for my money doesn't even come close to the standard of "high crimes and misdemeanors" laid out in the Constitution.

        If they try to impeach Obama, they'll have to make it up out of whole cloth.  Which doesn't mean they won't try...

        The efforts to repeal Obamacare are the GOP Abort Obamacare Act. lynneinfla

        by litho on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:35:20 AM PDT

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        •  For President Clinton's impeachment (2+ / 0-)
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          they eventually had "an actual criminal offense" sorta.

          It wasn't the first time his libido had been the subject of fevered repub fantasy, of course.

          The whole impeachment train-wreck started with no more focus than the current fiasco. After years of innuendo and insinuation (or insinuendo), with many claims they were about to reveal a "smoking gun"--literally, almost, in the case of the claims that Vince Foster was murdered. Self-declared deadlines came and went, mostly accompanied by efforts to muddy the water.

          Specifics are always the R's biggest problem, since they start from the verdict they want to hear and try to cobble together a case to justify it.

          This garbage isn't funny at all, but if the nut jobs are determined to be defined by such insanity they will get plenty of help from our side.

          Speaking of which, the impact I am most looking forward to (should these buffoons proceed with another reckless impeachment) is the unifying effect it will have on Democrats and Independents. Nothing, sadly, gets us working together as much as hateful attacks by our true opponents.

          So I semi-reluctantly echo the call, "Bring it on!"

          It matters not how small the beginning may seem to be: what is once well done is done forever. Henry David Thoreau, in Civil Disobedience

          by Had Enough Right Wing BS on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:31:38 AM PDT

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  •  Rec'd for (19+ / 0-)
    I am generally someone who suspects Tom Coburn would get his head stuck in a mailbox if he didn't have two staff members at all times keeping him from doing it.
    These guys have nothing.  Lie, cheat, talk bullshit, take money, take a long vacation, collect taxpayer-funded benefits.  Rinse, repeat.

    "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

    by SottoVoce on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:18:35 AM PDT

  •  mr coburn has a proverbial "friend who is black" (5+ / 0-)
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    and just happens to be the president impeachable offense fersure, of course the gibbering senator from OK is spot on when he says, "that's a difficult position the president has put himself into"


    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:19:39 AM PDT

  •  The moment they get specific is the moment (0+ / 0-)

    they get torn to pieces.  All those specifics will do is give the GOP's many detractors something to attack as utterly absurd.

    And with regards to their single-digit approval rating, Congress would be grateful for what they presently have after a move like that.

    When they call roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty'. --Teddy Roosevelt

    by thenekkidtruth on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:19:45 AM PDT

  •  I'd be willing to see Obama impeached... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...if it would restore the rule of law.

    As much as I would've preferred it if Bush got impeached or tried for war crimes, I'd be willing to trade Obama, who I voted for twice, for a return to the days when administrations were not above the law.  We still need our checks and balances.  Obama has proven that we cannot leave terrible powers to murder via remote control drones, or imprison without due process, or spy without warrant, in the hands of even someone we trust and feel is benevolent.  These powers are horrible and must not be held by governments or anyone.  I could deal with the shame of impeachment and even with having an idiotic Republican president for the next 4 or 8 years, if only we as a nation could get back to the rule of law as described in the Constitution, and stick with it this time.  Nobody should ever be above the law-- not Obama, not Bush, not the banks, not anybody.  We've seen what happens to the world when people are "too big to jail" and it's horrific.  The people who are responsible MUST be made to bear the consequences of their actions, otherwise the horrors will never end. If Obama has to be the first to be punished for the same things his predecessors are guilty of, I say fine.  I realize that might not seem fair to many of you, but I feel it would be progress in the right direction.

    •  I agree, except... (6+ / 0-)

      If the red rubber nose brigade is running the impeachment show, they'll be impeaching him because ACORN or Planned Parenthood or Jesus-less Christmas Cards or something, and that won't do jack shit as far as 'restoring the rule of law' goes.

      If Darrell Issa showed the least bit of interest in the actual violations and abuses of our justice, security, and defense apparratti, I'd be very nearly enthusiastic.  Unfortunately, that's...  About as realistic as the prospect of actual justice upon the banking industry.

      •  So make it a coalition impeachment... (0+ / 0-)

        ...some of their beefs, and some of ours.  They can go on about birth certificates, and we can talk about spying and war crimes.   At least that way some of the time would be devoted to our issues.  The Republicans became a coalition party of various groups that had nothing in common in almost the same way- fiscal conservatives and religious conservatives and libertarian-types, etc all got together even though they weren't eye-to-eye on everything, and it's worked decently well for them for many years.

        •  I can't begin (2+ / 0-)
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          To express the depth of revulsion you cause in me.

          You appear to have no concept of what kind of craven opportunists you'd happily throw in with because you don't think you're getting your way.   "Useful idiot" is a kindness to you.

          •  What are you talking about??? (0+ / 0-)

            "My way?"  It's the AMERICAN way!  I haven't called you any names, so I don't know what your problem is.  I'm talking about us regaining rights and freedoms by showing that we're not going to put up with this kind of governance for any reason.  People of all kinds are ready for this nightmare to be over.  We need a functioning government, and that's not going to be obtained by half the country calling the other half names and ignoring what they have to say.  If they're misinformed, it's not even necessarily their fault-- it's because our media is owned by the same corrupt plutocrats who run our government and fill it with stupid cr*p night and day.  Our news media is another thing that should never have been surrendered to corporate corruption, and our investigative journalists shouldn't be consigned to legal harassment and jail, either.  I'm sorry if you're revolted by the idea of taking a stand to try to fix what's wrong with this country, but you should know I'm equally revolted with the status quo, and so are many others.

        •  I dont think that'd be productive... (4+ / 0-)
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          Part of the reason our system is so dysfunctional now is because it was badly abused during the Clinton years.  Legitimatizing Glenn Beck's chalkboard would be entirely counterproductive.  Contra slippytoad, I don't think that 'working with the enemy' is automatically bad, but I do think that legitimatizing their beliefs in this case would further the wrong that impeachment could seek to right.

        •  No. (0+ / 0-)

          Beefs are not relevant. Only high crimes and misdemeanors.

          And Clinton's dalliances and any lying therefrom don't count.

          Innuendo doesn't count either.

      •  That didn't seem to go well (2+ / 0-)
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        when the liberals in the UK threw in with the conservatives to form a government.  This is a terrible idea.

        Be bold. Be courageous. Americans are counting on you. Gabby Giffords.

        by Leftleaner on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 02:06:32 PM PDT

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        •  ditto re: terrible idea. Criticism of Tea Baggers (0+ / 0-)

          for primarying Richard Lugar has been in Indiana news all week. As they start to understand the problems in Syria, the media and local and state politicians of both parties are bemoaning the last remaining thinking senator who had international stature and respect from other nations is no longer in Washington. Conservatives certainly hurt US standing in the world with their dumb move.

    •  Maybe Ralph Nader will run again in 2016 (7+ / 0-)

      Vote for him.  Get another eight years of unhinged Republican idiocy.

      The efforts to repeal Obamacare are the GOP Abort Obamacare Act. lynneinfla

      by litho on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:37:09 AM PDT

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      •  I don't get why this is even lightly contemplated (9+ / 0-)
        I'd be willing to see Obama impeached...if it would restore the rule of law.
        Impeachment is not a tool for policy pushback.

        "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

        by FiredUpInCA on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:47:41 AM PDT

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        •  Because most Americans have NO tools (1+ / 0-)
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          ...for policy pushback.  We have no tools to get justice for the horrible things that have been done.  We can't even stop them from doing the same horrible things in the future.  We don't have enough money to buy our own politicians' votes, and we don't even have tools for political protest, because protests are now violently repressed.  All we have is checking one box or another on the ballot, and in most cases both choices would lead back to the same plutocrats with the same agendas and policies being in charge.  An impeachment would at least be something.  If the right wants impeachment for wingnut reasons and the left wants it for real reasons (war crimes, spying, etc.) then maybe it could actually happen.  We've got to come together on something-- if it was ending this lawless way of governing that's been going on, I say do it.  I've had enough of this BS, and I'm not the only one who feels this way.

    •  When? (1+ / 0-)
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      for a return to the days when administrations were not above the law.
      I can't think of a time when that was.LBJ? VietNam, Nixon? Invented the concept of the Imperial Presidency. Maybe Carter. But he tried to invade Iran illegally and set us up for Afghanistan, illegally. Reagan? Iran Contra, Alliende... Poppy Bush? Are you serious? Our government has been prone to exceeding their legal boundaries certainly all my lifetime and probably since 1776.
      Obama might just be the cleanest we've had since, despite the concerted efforts of the entire Republican Party, they haven't found anything real to hang on him.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:44:10 AM PDT

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      •  Having taken a straw poll among my own friends (0+ / 0-)

        ...most have agreed that things in government began a noticeably more rapid downward slide somewhere around 2000, 2001.  Certainly that doesn't mean previous presidents were guilt-free...  Vietnam was a nightmare, and Nixon should not have been pardoned, just for starters.  

        Maybe all that was really intact previous to 2000 was the illusion of the rule of law, but I think even that had a certain kind of value to society.  Now we live in a world where just about everybody is violating the law every day in one form or another-- even if it's just downloading pirated computer software, it seems more and more common that many people go through life feeling the rules shouldn't apply to them.  But more worryingly, many people are also routinely breaking laws for the purpose of getting paid!  For example, cops who are "enforcing" non-existent laws against feeding the homeless in parks or political protesting, or low-level bankers foreclosing on homeowners who have made all their payments just because they've been given a quota that they must do a certain amount of foreclosures a month.  

        It's clear to me that we cannot live happily in a society where rules mean nothing and everyone ignores them and does whatever they want.  Maybe there were always some criminals who did live or even run the country that way "back in the day,"  but that doesn't make it "okay."  And I feel that's what we're saying when we say our party loyalty is more important to us than holding people accountable for their crimes-- we're saying it's "okay" for there to be no rules as long as "our guy" is in charge.  

        Well, it's not.  It's really, REALLY not okay.  And it's not going to end well if we let it continue.  And if "my side" (Democrats, Liberals, etc.) has to be the one to bite the bullet and say, "it stops here," even if our guy is holding the hot potato at the time, that's fine with me-- as long as it STOPS.  For that matter, we can almost guarantee that we WILL have to take the lead and be the ones to do this if it's ever going to happen.  Because if there's one thing Republicans are painfully bad at, it's policing their own.

        •  Maybe we have too many STUPID laws (0+ / 0-)

          and maybe we should repeal some of the STUPID laws so they didn't clog up the courts and the jails for STUPID reasons.

          We've made a small, small start by repealing some laws, in some places, as to who can do what with which consenting partner in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

          It's not enough, and it's more than counterbalanced by a whole metric shit-ton of new STUPID laws about how much control a woman has over her own body, and how many more roadblocks can be added to that.

          And then there are the STUPID laws about the use of certain natural herbal products, which do so have proven medical value and should be let alone where they have been legalized or decriminalized (do you hear me, Mr. Attorney General? Do you hear me, Mr. President?)

          Oh yes, we have far too many STUPID laws.

          If it's
          Not your body,
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          And it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 04:27:03 PM PDT

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      •  That's the point. The answer is (1+ / 0-)
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        NEVER.  It's never been this way.  I don't what history some folk have been reading...

        •  So we roll over and play dead, then? (0+ / 0-)

          Last I checked, this is a progressive site, not a regressive one.  So what if it never was?  We still should strive to make it be!

          I'm active in politics because I want to make things better, to improve the things that are broken.  I'm active in politics because I read MLK's Letter from a Birmingham Jail, and thought "I don't want to be one of those white moderates he rails against."  I'm active in politics because so many things are so badly broken, and I want to see them fixed.

          Perhaps an argument could be made that the current surveillance state isn't broken (although I have a real hard time seeing it, especially in light of the way it has been used by past and current leaders to crack down on progressive activists), but it is utterly dumbfounding to me that here, on a progressive activist site, people are arguing that changing the system just isn't possible (or, similarly, just isn't worth the effort).  Didn't Markos Moulitsas write a book aiming to refute that thesis?  Something about Gates and the Crashing thereof?

    •  You said: (6+ / 0-)

      "...I could deal with the shame of impeachment and even with having an idiotic Republican president for the next 4 or 8 years...."  

      I urgently disagree on the principal ground that I am not aware of ANY Republican who would be a tolerable national leader!

      •  I'm not aware of anyone... (0+ / 0-)

        ...who would make a tolerable national leader if he or she felt she had unlimited power to do whatever he or she wanted.  Corruption makes people terrible leaders.  And absolute power corrupts absolutely.  

        I own a Barack Obama t-shirt.  f you had asked me if I thought Barack Obama would ever murder anyone with an automated drone, or let the government read our e-mail, or leave Bush's prisoners to rot in Gitmo on hunger strike, or let the DHS beat, arrest and pepper spray political protesters, or have whistle-blowers locked in jail and prosecuted as criminals, or signed a law to protect a company (Monsanto) from being accountable for the health effects of their genetically modified Frankenfood, I would've told you "NO WAY!  That's Bush stuff, Barack Obama is totally different, he's about hope and change!"  

        And I would've been totally, utterly, completely wrong.  :(

        My conclusion is, leaders can only be as good as the system that produces them.  If the system is corrupt, any leader that gets elected will be corrupt, no matter how pristine his image.  If the system is fair and has functional checks and balances, the leaders it produces will be similarly fair, or at the very least, appropriately restrained from doing ghastly amounts of harm to their own people and the people of other countries in the world.

        •  Okay, you what? (3+ / 0-)
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          Turn the damn shirt in if it makes you feel better.  But that is not a qualifier for being so desperate for wanting to prevail on an issue that you want an armageddon-like political solution -- as if that would even work anyway.

          I think you are a bit naive to how this world works.

          •  The world doesn't work! (0+ / 0-)

            That's the problem!  If it were just one issue, I wouldn't be here making this argument.  But it's been one thing after another after another since the early 2000's and maybe before, and people can't take it any more.  People are waking up and realizing that parties don't matter if people in power are breaking the law without feeling the consequences of their actions.  They need to feel the shame and the poverty and the pain and the torture they are inflicting on others, or it won't stop.  The planet's weather systems are coming apart, radiation and oil are spilling into the environment, forests are being cut down for profit, young people have no jobs and increasingly no education, and old people have no jobs and increasingly no retirement funds.  Meanwhile our politicians are doing things like beating the drums for a proxy war in Syria with Iran.  They're going to start World War III if they're not careful!  We cannot put up with these things any longer-- people are going to die!  Somebody has to stand up and say that "right" and "wrong" aren't equal to "Democrat" and "Republican" or the other way 'round, or indeed, any other affiliation.  If you do a crime, you should have to do the time, and it doesn't matter if you're a Wall Street banker or the President.  And if you think that's naive, fine, but if you think we can have a stable society without law, order, and accountability at the top, I think you've been seriously  misinformed.

    •  Do you think a Republican (5+ / 0-)

      will return us to the rule of law?  How many Republican administrations were not above the law? I do not want to see the kind of damage done to this country again that the Reagan administration inflicted.

      •  I don't think party affiliation matters. (0+ / 0-)

        I don't believe all Republicans are "bad" people or that somebody who self-identifies as Republican is the enemy.  I think these parties are made-up categories that have been provided to confuse the American people and make us fight each other about wedge issues so that we don't notice the activities of the wealthy elite who are destroying our world for their own gain.  So no, I don't care if the other "team" has "control" of the White House.  The "branding" has nothing to do with it any more for me.  I care that we have laws that are enforced which restrain people, especially governments, corporations and other people at the top, from harming vast numbers of people below them on the socio-economic ladder.  In a law-abiding system, if the next ruler, Republican or Democrat, turned out to be a criminal, we could impeach him or her too.  But we have to make that system an implemented reality first.  We have to hold somebody accountable.  Why should any ruler get away with any crime just because their predecessors did?  What kind of system are people arguing in favor of here?

        •  I don't believe that all Republicans are "bad" (1+ / 0-)
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          or the enemy either (some of my best friends, and all that..). My point is that if you are looking for politicians of any kind to put the public good and the rule of law over party affiliation, you will be disappointed.  

    •  This is ridiculous. (2+ / 0-)
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      And foolhardy.  But ya know what?  Fine.  Let's allow Senator Ted 'Greg Stillson' Cruz become the President and being shameful would be something you would only hope to feel.

      Maybe you just got clued into things, but the global elite has always done what they wanted to do and we the people have always allowed it.  If you want to really hold someone accountable, take a look in the mirror.

    •  I can't agree... (3+ / 0-)
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      4-8 years of a Repub president means no chance of movement on climate change. I'll trade the rule of law for the survival of the human race any day.

      •  Because this administration (0+ / 0-)

        has already done so much to win the war on climate change?

        That's part of my problem with it-- it hasn't!

        It was supposed to, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating and the proof of the politicians is in what they've achieved.  And lest somebody start in again with, "they were going to save the planet, but the Republicans BLOCKED it, those fiends!" let me just say that there are PLENTY of horrible things that are still getting funded-- the military, the NSA, DHS, TSA, CIA, FBI, etc. etc. etc.  Our politicians can agree that we need a base in Utah to store every penis-pill advertisment e-mail that ever graced your spam folder, and tanks for your local police department and airport security thugs to "touch your junk..."  But they can't agree, over the many years and administrations since we first discovered "gee, there's a lot of CO2 building up in the air..." to take any action to save the planet?  Come on. Tell me another one.  :P

  •  It's Coburn and his ilk who are guilty of (9+ / 0-)

    high crimes and misdemeanors, not PBO.  His townhall was an amazing display of agitating the ignorant with propaganda and untruths.  

    These Republicans are not public servants.  They are seditionists, and it's time to start "impeaching" THEM.

    If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

    by livjack on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:20:33 AM PDT

  •  Jabber. gibber. caterwaul (my favorite) (1+ / 0-)
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    Urban dictionary: To prattle and chatter unintelligibly, usually when feeling guilty or after some sort of wrongdoing.

    Facts matter. Joe Biden

    by kpardue on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:22:58 AM PDT

  •  I doubt even the illustrious John Malkovich (4+ / 0-)
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    would have the chops to portray this wackaloon in a movie.

    Maybe Will Farrell?

  •  Yes he's pandering. To the slack jawed oldsters (2+ / 0-)
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    who cant remember when they last changed their underwear but know with absolute certainty, by God, Barack Obama is black and he's evil. Like they know to push the lever next to any name with an R next to it because Godly men like Coburn are all that stands between them and the Negropocalypse.

  •  OT: Donuts needed. 2 Repub advocating diaries on (0+ / 0-)

    recent list, saying people should vote for Lonegan instead of Booker.

  •  Maybe, just maybe he should actually read (3+ / 0-)
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    that document instead of just waving it around.

    "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

    by gritsngumbo on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:27:57 AM PDT

  •  If there is a periiously anything, Coburn's got it (1+ / 0-)
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    pointed in the wrong direction.

    Impeaching Obama will achieve one and only one thing: the continued implosion of the Republican party.

    Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:27:59 AM PDT

  •  gibbering idiot nothing (1+ / 0-)
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    should the GOP win control of both houses of Congress in 2014, they will impeach Obama as sure as night follows day.

    They don't need evidence or reasonable charges or anything.
    The Constitution leaves it up to the House to decide what's an impeachable offense. They can impeach the president based on the fact that they don't like his shoes, if they feel like it.

    Sure, the Senate won't convict but that's not their goal. Their goal is to energize their base, deadlock the government, and force the Democrats to expend energy on defense, and drag the credibility of Congress through the mud even further. Those things they can easily accomplish.

    I don't expect Obama will fight back--at that point he will never have to run in another election. And with less than two years left of his presidency, he'll be looking for the door and counting down the hours until his lucrative post-presidential career can begin. Given his eagerness for compromise and conciliation with the GOP even when the Dems controlled Congress, imagine how much more compliant he'll be when the GOP rules the roost and he only has a little bit of time left in the WH.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:29:15 AM PDT

  •  So....Name It (1+ / 0-)
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    What was the specific crime and/or treasonous act that would
    stand as the grounds for impeachment?  They wouldn't dare open up the can of worms on NSA spying or deportment or transparency.  Are they really foolish enough to actually go there?  

    They got nothing.  And, as for incompetence.....shall we talk about Katrina or 9/ll or Abu Gharab or the economic collapse that Dumbo left us with in 2008?

    Coburn should quit stinking up the Senate w/ his foolish self.

  •  I know Coburn (0+ / 0-)

    is smart enough to have earned a business degree, a medical degree, become a successful physician and business man.  So maybe he is delirious? A super secret Democrat plant? High?

  •  In order to have a more civil discourse (0+ / 0-)

    With people like Tom Coburn, I should bite my tongue.
    But, well, FUCK Tom Coburn. We are all adults and can use everyday language.

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party

    by voicemail on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:43:21 AM PDT

  •  Coming from a guy who.... (4+ / 0-)

    covered for NV Sen Ensigh, he needs to shut his pie hole.

  •  Sorry Hunter (1+ / 0-)
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    perilously close to the time when we can all write off Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn
    We are WAY past that threshold.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:45:26 AM PDT

  •  Wow...So much suffering, and so many sliding... (2+ / 0-)
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    backwards in their quality of life in this country:  Is this the best for Americans that this person can do and offer?  

    Such resentment of others, and such a sad state of affairs.

    Why seek revenge, when you know that Karma will get the bastards anyways.

    by LamontCranston on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:46:11 AM PDT

  •  He's No Saint (1+ / 0-)
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    Recall that this minion of C Street aided and abetted former Senator John Ensign's misdeeds then assist in payoffs and attempted cover-ups.

    Everyone is crying out for peace; no one's crying out for justice...

    by mojave mike on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:49:58 AM PDT

  •  By Mid 2009 A Number of Us Expected This (3+ / 0-)
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    if he got re-elected. These goons aren't all that hard to figure out if you don't fantasize that they're an honorable opposition.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:52:07 AM PDT

  •  Just awesome. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Isn't this the same moron who tried to land a (0+ / 0-)

    plane on a closed runway?  He's a doctor?  

    Wow, just wow these Rethugs are dumb.

    IF, if they could somehow impeach this president exactly who do they think would then be POTUS?  Boner?  Because there is a very good man who is liberal in the Vice-President office.

    Or would VP Biden be okay with these fucking jackasses because he is not black?

  •  this isn't new (2+ / 0-)
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    my college roommate unfriended me in 2009 when I asked her why she thought Obama should be impeached

    by chloris creator on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:01:34 AM PDT

  •  Ha! (2+ / 0-)
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    When all is said and done, Hunter is and remains the master at these things. Nothing short of epic.

    Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

    by MBNYC on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:07:57 AM PDT

  •  Is it "high crimes" and misdemeanors"? or (1+ / 0-)
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    "high crimes" and "high misdemeanors"? This is a constitutional grammar question, and not the first to trip up President Obama (i.e. "natural born citizen").

    What would the statute of limitations be for a high misdemeanor?  Apparently the gop only cares about the Clinton's crimes and misdemeanors when the Clinton's are running for, or have won, high office, so there certainly is a statute of limitations, but apparently only the gop gets to decide what it is. And let's not forget how the gop made the Clintons pay for a host of non-existent crimes and never-happened misdemeanors (Whitewater, murder, rape ...). Threatening to impeach Obama for stuff he never did is right out of the GOP playbook. So it won't stop.

    What's the statute of limitations for starting a war with lies? Is that a crime or a misdemeanor? High or low? What about deregulating fracking? Is it too late to hold President Cheney accountable for those crimes and misdemeanors?

  •  The photo reminds me of this... (2+ / 0-)
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    "The State Department is infested with communists. I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."
    -Joe McCarthy

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

    by richardak on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:12:33 AM PDT

  •  The impeachable offense (1+ / 0-)
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    I think I've found it.

    Obama's offense is that he's done nothing... to stop pandering jackasses like Coburn from spouting their mouths off; Coburn being the Senator most likely to mistake his ass for his mouth.

  •  Dr. No with more nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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    He's not afraid of getting primaried from the right.
    Coburn intends to retire from the Senate in 2016 to honor a self-imposed two-term limit.

    Just being his no-where, no-body self, I guess.

  •  Coburn was one of Obama's buddies in the Senate (0+ / 0-)

    I remember Obama touting Coburn as a reasonable voice and good friend way back in 2009.  Although I'm way past being surprised at how some couples fit, one wonders what Obama saw in him.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:32:17 AM PDT

    •  I think Obama takes (1+ / 0-)
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      the whole collegial thing too seriously. Coburn hides behind it.

      It's the secret sauce that binds all of the 535 into not saying untoward or truthful things about each other. Obama need not continue to employ it as a former member of the smallest club.

  •  Tom Coburn? A gibbering idiot? (1+ / 0-)
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    That's a feature, not a bug. He is a politician from Oklahoma, after all.

    The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric has ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

    by Rick B on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:34:19 AM PDT

  •  Cage Him/Or Off with his head. (1+ / 0-)
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    This man's credentials are worth nothing at this point. And he is in my opinion a traitor to our beloved country and deserves the guillotine effective immediately.


    by The Fritz on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:39:43 AM PDT

  •  William F Buckley saw how damning was (1+ / 0-)
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    the behavior of the John Birchers in his day and ostracized them from the conservative movement as he was defining and leading it.  No one has done what he did...yet.

    When you believe that there are communists lurking behind every door, fluoride is a meant to be a mind altering drug to control the masses, that we should be a theocracy, that "government" (as in public) schools are a dangerous phenomenon, that not every one should be allowed to vote, that the UN is a mechanism of the anti Christ, that we should all have to carry gold around as legal tender, etc. etc., you might just someday make people shun you.

    I predict the day is coming when to declare oneself a libertarian/tea party patriot will be as socially ostracizing as announcing your membership in the KKK.

    •  Don't hold your breath (0+ / 0-)

      The far right propagandists today are far more effective than in Buckley's time (fox "news"). Their followers subscribe to them solely, and are indeed true believers.
      I hope you're right, but I'm just not so optimistic.

  •  (R) fantasy holds Reagan up as a great president (4+ / 0-)

    while calling for impeachment of Obama over the deaths in Bengazi.

    So, let's compare/contrast Reagan in Lebanon with Obama in Libya.

    -- Death toll in 1983/2011: 398 vs. 4.

    -- Political impact on ground: Iran took revenge for the shellings of Arab towns/villages uphill from Beirut. That got them influence over all the Shi'ia tribes and led to formation of the unified Hezbollah operation in 1985. vs. Libya is a messy success story so far. Economics dominates tribal rivalries and there is nothing like Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.

    -- Suicide truck bombing succeeded four times in 1983 in Lebanon. The actions in Libya amounted to mob violence, augmented with a small number of RPGs.

    Reagan had no good reason to put troops on the ground in Lebanon. When it turned out bloody and stupid, Reagan turned tail and retreated U.S. troops immediately, abandoning allies among both Marist Christians and the commercial sector of Muslims.

    Press coverage was tweaked with a meaningless invasion of Grenada in the Caribbean a couple weeks after the Marine barracks bombing and a faked cancer scare when the doctors removed a benign polyp during a rectal exam. Managing the front pages was what mattered.

    Did you also read where Ronnie tore down the Berlin Wall, brick by brick ??? Obama can't even get Putin to cough up the Snowden fur ball.

  •  2012 election redo, nothing more (2+ / 0-)
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    These people just can't stand the fact that Barak Obama is the US President.
    I can not wait until Hillary is elected in '16. Maybe they'll all commit can hope.

  •  "I think all righthtinking people in this country (0+ / 0-)

    are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am." -  Graham Chapman

    Which actually makes more sense than Coburn's  'High crimes, misdemeanors and stuff' agreement.

    “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

    by se portland on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 11:53:39 AM PDT

  •  Uncle Tom's Blabbin'..... (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, now that he has announced that he will be retiring after this term there is no telling what will be spouted from the windmills of his mind.
     Is there any wonder why those of us who live on the Isle of Blue,surrounded by the Sea of Red that is Oklahomastan are so looking forward to his departure.
     The only worry is, what kind of extreme right character will we get to replace this joker.
     Hopes for a left or centrist alternative are very slim.

  •  It's like watching (0+ / 0-)

    It's like watching "Blazing Saddles".

    I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

    by roninkai on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:15:42 PM PDT

  •  What are true friends for? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Can't we just impeach "the House" already? (0+ / 0-)

    High crimes and misdemeanors you say?
    How many times have they falsely accused the President?
    How many times have they tried to take away the rights of women and entitlements from the poor?
    How many times have they lied on the floor of the House?

    Add in all the wasted hours repealing Obamacare when they could have been passing bills that had a chance in hell of becoming law and you see a clear pattern of corruption in our House. It's not politics. It's abuse of power and failing to do the work of the Congress.

    Can't we call for the House to be impeached? ;)

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:25:40 PM PDT

  •  While we all muse that Coburn is perilously (0+ / 0-)

    close to an asylum.

    “The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept a majority of the people from ever questioning the inequity of a system where most people drudge along paying heavy taxes for which they get nothing in return.” - Gore Vidal

    by Hanging Up My Tusks on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:26:45 PM PDT

  •  There's a nice explanation.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ....on Salon, from Jonathan Bernstein:

    None of these politicians seem to feel any need to actually discuss the grounds for impeachment. At best there’s some hand-waving around the minor scandals of the last year, but for the most part it’s just assumed that impeachment is what Republicans normally do to Democratic presidents, just because.

    The conclusions? Bill Clinton wasn’t impeached over sex (what Democrats believe) or over perjury (what Republicans claim); he was impeached because he was a Democrat in the White House. That’s enough.

    It's axiomatic that God is a Republican, and any Democrat who managed to win the White House must have made a deal with Satan to do so.  "Impeachment" has nothing to do with the law or the Constitution.  It's now a synonym for "exorcism."

    When you punch enough holes through steerage, the first-class cabins sink with the rest of the ship.

    by Roddy McCorley on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:31:13 PM PDT

    •  That is essentially the core of it (5+ / 0-)
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      I remember none other than Bill Clinton saying some years back that the main reason for the GOP's insane hatred of him was very simple: He won. And that's because many Republicans felt there would never be another Democratic president, that they'd found some foolproof way to beat them every time (which, again, shows how idiotic they are).

      It's the same with Obama, magnified by the fact that he's also a black man. If Hillary wins in 2016, her being a woman (and a Clinton too) will only make it worse. To these guys, if the President is not white, male and Republican, the world has gone to hell.

  •  Makes perfect sense to me (0+ / 0-)

    If the GOPhers can impeach a president over lying about a BJ then the GOPhers can impeach a president for being being a BLACKman in the WHITEhouse.

    Sarcasm on...It is so nice I live in a post racial America...Sarcasm off.

    by wbishop3 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 12:50:49 PM PDT

  •  And he continues to dig deeper (0+ / 0-)

      Over on the Reddit - there is an article in which he wants to call for a Constitutional Convention.

  •  Basically Republicans just want a do-over (1+ / 0-)
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    ....a Get Out of Jail Free card whenever they lose an election. Instead of accepting the outcome they shriek "impeach." Of course, if they got their way, they'd blow up our Constitional government.
    They act like children whose motto is, "You're not the boss of me."

  •  Coburn? A Gibbering Idiot? (3+ / 0-)
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    You mean the same guy who won his senate seat in 2004 campaigning against rampant lesbianism in Oklahoma public school bathrooms?

    You know, Josh Burkeen is our rep down here in the southeast area. He lives in Colgate and travels out of Atoka. He was telling me lesbianism is so rampant in some of the schools in southeast Oklahoma that they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom. Now think about it. Think about that issue. How is it that that's happened to us?"

    Tom Coburn, 8/31/04

  •  Cynical justification of hatred for Obama through (0+ / 0-)

    vague, unspecified claims of illegal actions or incompetence. Coburn is just playing to the Gomers in his state, many of whom are racist, with a Pyle of irresponsible accusations and code words.

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 01:20:24 PM PDT

  •  Don't Right Wing Christo-Fascists always start (0+ / 0-)

    with the objective of their hatred in mind (i.e. impeachment of Obama) and then work backward to justify why they should do what they always wanted in the first place?

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 01:23:16 PM PDT

  •  The wingnut Mobius loop (2+ / 0-)
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    They keep bringing up an endless stream of
    "Critical Issues" that amount to absolutely Nothing and
    go absolutely Nowhere.

    Not that the voters that elected them to office would
    ever notice.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 01:36:35 PM PDT

  •  coburn (1+ / 0-)
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    another red state hack that hates the govt but takes way more than he gives back as is the case with most of the cons in america.

  •  I don't even know where to start (0+ / 0-)

    He states that President Obama is "perilously close" to impeachment yet he freely confesses to a lack of knowledge of ANYTHING that would actually warrant an impeachment and is basically just waiting for the House to impeach him for...........something.  If I had to guess I'm guessing that he is just saying this to placate a rabid teabagger and work them up to get out and vote Republican next year.  The idiotic part of this is that by talking about things like shutting down the government and/or refusing to raise the debt ceiling in order to defund/repeal Obamacare and/or impeaching the POTUS for no particular other reason than they just don't like who is POTUS at the moment they are more or less guaranteeing that they will be EXPECTED to follow through on these sort of things or face a huge backlash at the polls come next election thus giving the teabagger crazies all of the power and control over things.  Even though most of the GOP leadership probably would love nothing more than to finally gut and repeal Obamacare and/or impeach President Obama, they are sane enough to realize that it's not going to happen under the current setup.  I think even Coburn realizes it as well but by not immediately- and strongly- shutting down this kind of crazy talk, it seems a near certainty that they will eventually be dragged kicking and screaming into going along with the teabaggers, which is going to be nothing but bad news for the rest of us. ugh facepalm  What the Republicans fail to realize is that the teabaggers whom now (largely) run the GOP are not the typical Republican voters in that they are actually willing to go to ANY lengths to see their ideology and vision realized and will punish any Republican politician who isn't willing to do the same.  Teabaggers are hardcore Republicans whom walk the walk and don't just talk the talk- and will punish anybody or anything that gets in their way.

  •  Coburn Always Part of Lunatic Fringe (0+ / 0-)

    No matter how the media tried to portray him as a thoughtful moderate.  

    The Republican Party is full of nut cases and racists.  Not much different than the Taliban.  They just want a Christian Sharia imposed.   If you need proof, look at what they are pushing Uganda to do to change laws to criminalize homosexuals ultimately making it a capital crime.

      Given free reign, they would do that and more in the U.S.  How blatant is their racism when they are doing everything they can to disenfranchise blacks and Latinos here in America.  Or the open support to racist clowns and cartoons.  

    Wake up America, these people are vile and evil.

  •  How perilously close are we (0+ / 0-)

    ...until the good and serious senator suggests lynching, if they can't get a good impeachment circus going?

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 02:12:39 PM PDT

  •  Two Presidents have been impeached (0+ / 0-)

    but neither was convicted; they finished out their terms just fine.

    On the other hand, there has been one President who was never impeached...yet left his office in disgrace.

    Just saying...

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 02:16:51 PM PDT

  •  Expulsion (0+ / 0-)

    The Senate has the right and duty to discipline its members.  Ds control the Senate, and are therefore responsible for at least proposing the appropriate means of disciplining a Senator who has abused his power by calling for the president's impeachment for purely partisan reasons, and not at all because he can even pretend that there have been impeachable offenses.

    Expulsion is the appropriate remedy.  No, we don't have the 2/3 needed for expulsion to succeed at ending Coburn's term in the Senate.  But we can and should present the case for expulsion, let the Senator present his defense, and then let those Senators who choose to associate themselves with that defense vote publically to let him continue to abuse his office.

    After expulsion fails, we then move censure, which only requires a simple majority. Censure will pass, and we can, if it seems useful given whatever kind of defense he puts on, attach to it the removal of all staff, all committee assignments, even any office.  He keeps those privileges only by way of abject apology.

    Coburn isn't perilously close to deserving expulsion.  He's already crossed the line, and failure to impose any consequences only reinforces the behavior.

    By all means, our side should not seek redress one iota past either justice or sound electoral politics.  This is not about vengeance or payback, this is about enforcing standards of public conduct on the people who hold the power of public office in this country.  I don't know Coburn from Adam, and have no interest whatever in humiliating him as an individual person.  But humiliation is what his party and its political and public policy excesses deserve, and it's what is needed to stop such abuses.

    Coburn needs to be humiliated, either by abject apology (which should still get him a censure, though without withdrawal of staff or other perks), or by a censure that takes away his power to influence public policy beyond the bare minimum the Constitution requires us to allow a sitting Senator, the power to vote on the floor.  The Senators who vote to not expel him, or not censure him, need to be humiliated by the way they vote after Coburn presents the case that the president has come perilously close to impeachable offenses, in the course of the expulsion and censure hearings.

    The point is that they will have to run on that record of voting against expulsion and censure of this bathroom idiot.  The point is we get to allow Obama's good name to be cleared, for the malfeasance of the Issa committee in selectively pushing the clearly partisan idea that conservative groups were targeted by the IRS to be completely explored.  That's the real point, winning the next election by humiliating the other party, exposing it as a low rent set of pathetic coup plotters.  But we seem to have forgotten that's the point of politics, winning the next election and throwing out the bums, so we'll probably settle for beating our breasts and decrying Coburn for what a brute he is, saying such things.

    I'm tired of that weak excrement.  Our side needs to put its money where its mouth is.  If what Coburn has done is worthy of expulsion -- unless he apologizes -- expulsion is what our side needs to pursue.  

    The states must be abolished.

    by gtomkins on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 05:41:21 PM PDT

  •  I have a feeling that Tom Coburn is (0+ / 0-)

    really nothing more than a RWNJ brain fart!  
    Oops, that one sounded like a Coburn!  Whoa, someone let a real stinker!  Smells like a Ted Cruz!!!

  •  You'd think the GOP would have a clue (1+ / 0-)
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    Its high crimes and misdemeanors.

    We've done this three times now and its only been a lock once (Both Johnson and Clinton were politically motivated and the Senate votes pretty much prove that)

    Nixon resigned because he knew the House had charges that met the Constitutional standard and the Senate had the votes.

    The GOP would do well to read a book on Impeachment written by William Rehnquist.

    The GOP not only did not recover from its impeachment attempt ---- it cost them dearly

    If Boehner and McConnell had clue one ---- they'd shut this crap down.  No Senator should even talk of impeachment and no Congressman should both without a lock case.  

    I worked on the Hill and the easiest letter to write to constituents is a letter responding to a request to impeach the president.  "The Constitution requires that the President be impeached for High Crimes and Misdemeanors.  Unless the President does, no case exists."

    Its mystifying why the GOP fans these idiots on the far right of their quote Bill Murray "Boys! Boys!You're scaring the straights, okay"

  •  Have none of these GOP schmucks read Aesop? (0+ / 0-)

    If they keep playing the Boy Who Cried Impeach, the villagers will eventually get tired of the ruse and wander away, ignoring them completely every time they scream the word.

    At that point, the only way Republicans could get Americans to take them seriously about that claim would be if President Obama ate a white baby during the State of the Union.

    Thank God, the Bob Fosse Kid is here! - Colin Mochrie

    by gardnerhill on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:55:03 PM PDT

  •  Sen. Tom Coburn muses that Obama is 'perilously cl (0+ / 0-)

        This is absurd. If Sen. Coburn is looking for something to fit the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' statute, i would like to propose wiretapping without warrants, or he could look at murder of civillians in foreign countries and if you would like, the murder of American citizens without due process in foreign countries.
         If you really, truly want to impeach Pres. Obama try any of the above. I can even suggest the perfect witness; George W. Bush. His testimony alone will prove beyond any doubts, shadowy or otherwise, that the President is guilty of 'high crimes'.
         Except you won't, will you Sen. Coburn. You probably agree with all the crap Bush did to this country and the rest of the world. To charge Obama would be to charge Bush and you just can't do it. But you what the funny thing is, Pres. Obama is guilty of illegal wiretapping in the U.S. and abroad. He is guilty of the murder of civillians in the numerous drone strikes around the world.
         All you have to do is make the charge. An investigation will be simple. Read a newspaper.... not from the U.S., but read any foreign paper. The proof is there. Make the charge and you will get what you want, assuming that you really want it.

  •  What??? (0+ / 0-)

    They don't have a clue how this would backfire on them.  What are they thinking?  Is this the legacy Tom Coburn and the Republicans want to leave?  

  •  That Pic Must Have Been Photoshopped... (0+ / 0-) remove the wisps of smoke rising from Coburn's hand.

    On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

    by stevemb on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 09:55:35 AM PDT

  •  Coburn is an asshat. . . (0+ / 0-)

    trying to stir up his rabid base, composed of mostly teabillies and conspiracy theorists.  He should be very careful, because once you get that genie out of the bottle, like McTurtle has done with Rand Paul and his followers, it becomes impossible to put it back in, and with serious consequences.

    Republicans cannot survive without lying, cheating and stealing.  So they do.

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