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USS Ramage, a destroyer that carries 56 Tomahawk cruise missiles
USS Ramage, one of the five destroyers in
 the eastern Mediterannean poised to attack
Syria if the order is given.
As noted here last week, no matter who asks, the response is the same: Americans do not favor conducting airstrikes against Syria. While the polls show some fairly large differences in the gap between supporters and opponents of a bombing campaign founded on what the Obama administration says have been repeated chemical weapons attacks by the regime of Bashir al-Assad, the White House campaign to convince Americans that an attack must be undertaken hasn't produced any obvious results in favor.

Here are the latest numbers from a CNN/Opinon Research International taken September 6-8:

After reports that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons to kill civilians in that country, Congress is considering a resolution to authorize limited U.S. military action in Syria. The resolution only authorizes military action for 60 to 90 days and it bars the use of U.S. troops in a combat role in Syria. Do you think Congress should or should not pass this resolution?

Should pass 39%
Should not pass 59%
No opinion 2%

Would you favor or oppose U.S. air strikes against military targets in Syria if Congress passes that resolution?

Favor 43%
Oppose 55%
No opinion 2%

And would you favor or oppose U.S. air strikes against military targets in Syria if Congress does NOT pass that resolution?

Favor 27%
Oppose 71%
No opinion 1%

So, even if Congress were to approve, the majority of Americans say no to airstrikes. And less than a third are in the same camp as John Kerry, who says, just as President Obama has said, that the administration doesn't need authorization from Congress to launch an attack on Syria.

Perhaps, while doing whip counts of congressional votes in this matter, The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, ThinkProgress, ABC and all the rest should ask members of Congress if they think the president has the authority to attack Syria without their thumbs-up.

12:28 PM PT: The Washington Post reports that there has been a sharp move into the nay column by Republicans.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:33 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  On the other hand (30+ / 0-)

    Americans are fully in support of sending Congress to Syria

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:39:40 AM PDT

    •  Don't bomb Syria... (8+ / 0-)

      bomb ALEC (see previous news item).

      I'm not sixty-two—I'm fifty-twelve!

      by Pragmatus on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:52:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  AIPAC making full court press - Politico (9+ / 0-)

        AIPAC to go all-out on Syria

        Officials say that some 250 Jewish leaders and AIPAC activists will storm the halls on Capitol Hill beginning next week to persuade lawmakers that Congress must adopt the resolution or risk emboldening Iran’s efforts to build a nuclear weapon. They are expected to lobby virtually every member of Congress, arguing that “barbarism” by the Assad regime cannot be tolerated, and that failing to act would “send a message” to Tehran that the U.S. won’t stand up to hostile countries’ efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction, according to a source with the group.
        •  We need to lobby AIPAC (3+ / 0-)
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          We need to keep contacting our reps, but perhaps we should also be lobbying AIPAC, telling them how much we do not want an attack on Syria.

          AIPAC TEL:202-639-5200
          Hill Staff

          Capitol Hill sources believe that the explicit backing of AIPAC will help the president collect votes at a time when the fate of his use-of-force authorization remains unclear.
          The word “Israel” appears nowhere in the text of the statement, underscoring by omission the worry pro-Israel groups in the United States have about framing retaliatory strikes in a way that makes it look like Israel is pushing for an attack on Syria for its own interests.

          "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

          by allenjo on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:05:44 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  I'm not convince home base approves. (0+ / 0-)

          Let be perfectly cynical and stick to the coldest of cold-blooded realpolitik for a moment.

          What does Israel have to gain from a Assad ouster and a full-blown Afghanistan-style clusterfuck right across the Golan Heights ?

          A weakened Assad, more or less in control of his country but with his hands fully occupied by internal insurgencies for as long as possible, is probably the best configuration for its south-western neighbour.

          So what's up with AIPAC? What horse are they riding, there?

          I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

          by Farugia on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:09:43 AM PDT

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    •  I think we can get a large majority for that (4+ / 0-)
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      I would love to see the results of a poll asking the following:

      Who is the biggest threat to United States Security:

      1. The current Syrian regine
      2. The Syrian rebels
      3. Al Qaeda
      4. The United States Congress

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:56:36 AM PDT

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  •  I hope there will be no strike now that assad has (12+ / 0-)

    agreed to surrender control of CW to avoid a strike by the US

  •  Those poll numbers seem totally made up (0+ / 0-)

    in my experience, in "real life" not one single person (sadly enough, perhaps) gives a flying fuck about whether we attack Syria or not.

    So where/how they get the 1 to 2% level of responses that corresponds to that level of  apathy that is "out there" raises grave concerns about the accuracy of their polls to me.

    •  Are you suggesting that 1) they don't actually... (12+ / 0-)

      ...ask the questions and make up the answers out of whole cloth; 2) that they ask the questions but fake the results: 3) that the people answering the questions just offer whatever pops into their heads but not how they really feel?

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:50:39 AM PDT

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      •  Definitely, some combination of those (0+ / 0-)

        three options are definitely happening!

        Maybe they (or we right here at DailyKos) could have a poll to figure out the exact breakdown.

        But in all total seriosity, there is NO WAY that 98 to 99% of the people out have even a rudimentary awareness of the situation in Syria that would allow them to respond to those poll questions in a meaningful way.

        •  Some percentage of Americans on just... (4+ / 0-)

          ...about ANY foreign policy question and a large number of domestic ones don't know enough about what they're responding to to give an informed opinion. But there is a big difference between saying that the pollsters are making up the results. A very serious charge, in fact.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:59:58 AM PDT

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          •  But I think it's a fair charge insofar as (0+ / 0-)

            if they don't include an option such as

            "I do not have a sufficient understanding of this issue to give an informed answer"

            then the poll is essential not valid and they're just making shit up.

            Of course, they'd have to slightly more artfully word that question . ..

            •  Well, then, that question should be on EVERY... (4+ / 0-)
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              ...poll. Which isn't a bad idea.

              But that's a long, long from actually "just making shit up."

              The reason I asked the question in the first place is to learn if you actually believe that CNN/ORC are INVENTING the results. That's very different than saying they failed to add an optional category that would allow people to say: "Look, I don't have a clue." Of course, as we see in the blogosphere every day, lots of misinformed, disinformed and uninformed people express strong opinions. Perhaps blog commenters should be required to add a caveat to their writings: 1) I am an expert in this field; 2) I am a well-informed amateur student of this subject; 3) I read the same newspapers and websites on this subject as everybody else;  4) I am just making a snide and empty comment on the subject to stir up trouble and distraction.

              Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

              by Meteor Blades on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:20:59 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  They don't need to know anything about Syria (6+ / 0-)

          What they KNOW is that they don't want another war.  Now, if someone bombs Pearl Harbor, they'll know where that is.

  •  Any resolution that allows for... (9+ / 0-)

    ...unilateral bombing without exhausting all possible international legal frameworks makes no sense.

    The Obama administration seems to be totally disconnected from the world outside DC.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:46:13 AM PDT

    •  Anyone who suggests Obama has not been (0+ / 0-)

      pursuing all possible international frameworks prior to, during this decision making process, and continues to do so...hasn't really been paying attention.

      •  I disagree (2+ / 0-)
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        Has he spoken in the UN floor?

        Have we joined the ICC?

        Why is NATO not on board? Turkey is a member?

        Arab League officially?


        The French seem to be lukewarm by now.  And if only the French are on your side, you should reconsider your approach.

        And if the world nations, all signatories of the Geneva Convention, don't get on board because they don't trust US intelligence (I wonder why...NOT) or because we tried to attack before the UN inspectors reported, or because of whatever reason, then who are we to attack unilaterally?

        Today and tomorrow he will try to reverse the polls, he should have touched bases with his constituency.  Focus groups perhaps?

        Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

        by Shockwave on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:17:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Then why is a military solution the only one (3+ / 0-)
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        chuckvw, Shockwave, Willa Rogers

        his administration is advocating?

        I'd be a little less cynical if someone in the WH admin could actually tell me how bombing Damascus 'just a little bit', is going to stop anyone from using CWs again.

        The US has a ton of leverage, yet once again we're dumping that in favour of bombs away.

        And, yes, I have been paying attention.

        Are you suggesting that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow incapable of concentrating on the problem?

        If so, then you might want to tone down the 'tude a little, mate.

        I'm a sanctimonious purist. Whatchya gonna do about it?

        by speedingpullet on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:20:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  And outside Riyadh and Jerusalem... (0+ / 0-)

      There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

      by chuckvw on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:08:11 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Kerry says strike will be "unbelievably small.” (3+ / 0-)
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    Secretary of State John F. Kerry said Monday that any military action undertaken in Syria would be “unbelievably small.”

  •  Polling will continue until (5+ / 0-)

    the approval percentage improves!

    So chin up, everyone.

  •  The floundering of the Obama administration on (2+ / 0-)
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    Farugia, speedingpullet

    This issue as been painful to watch. This is a lesson in how not to conduct foreign policy. I myself I'm conflicted about the whole thing, the use of chemical weapons is serious business and it deserves to be responded to.

    But the President and his team have simply not had a coherent policy to respond to it.

  •  Average Joe does not have classified data. (1+ / 0-)
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    So putting this to a poll is no different that putting civil rights up to a vote. Since Obama is not declaring war on Syria, I think he has unfortunately made a grand mistake by seeking approval of a completely dysfunctional teabagger controlled Congress. Even if many of the Rs approved of Obama's proposed intervention, they will reflexively oppose him just to oppose him. Gassing children ought to have real consequences other than public condemnation and inaction.

    •  How about giving Congress (4+ / 0-)

      the classified info? From what I've heard even that has been withheld from most of Congress. This is just like what's going on with the TPP Treaty, or NSA, this over secret, hush hush government is killing our democracy faster than the speed of light.

    •  Mmm... (0+ / 0-)

      So your point seems to be "no classified data, no informed opinion" then "no informed opinion, no point asking for your opinion".

      May I suggest that if the case for using force cannot be made in the open, based on generally available and readily understandable facts, well, then, maybe, maybe, there isn't much of a case to use force in the  beginning?

      I'm not a pacifist, far from it. But the bar to use force should be very, very high, sufficiently high that it's easy for everybody, Congress and the citizenry alike, to understand that that bar has been reached (and then, it means you have a very strong case to go to war which, in turns, allow you to go all out, which is the only way wars should fought).

      I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

      by Farugia on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:40:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  That's the same argument (0+ / 0-)

      we heard for Iraq.

      Also, it seems to assume that people would change their minds if they were convinced Assad had ordered the gas attacks.  I don't think that would flip a majority.

      Reasonable suspicion? How can being wrong 98.6% of the time ever be reasonable?

      by happymisanthropy on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 12:23:24 PM PDT

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  •  Democrats should really think hard about this. (6+ / 0-)

    George W. Bush was vulnerable in 2004, and might well have lost to a better candidate than the wooden John Kerry.

    Even he went to Congress for a vote, not to mention a resolution from the United Nations.

    There will be no incumbent Democratic President in 2016.

    More than  anything: "limited strikes" don't always stay that way. We started our VIetnam presence by sending a small number of "advisors".

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:54:45 AM PDT

  •  Looks like the percentages toward respect for the (3+ / 0-)
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    President are trending up.

    I trust Obama to intervene, if and only if, he deems it necessary. He's got way more info and carries that responsibility on his shoulders alone.

    He deserves a lot more support and respect than he's getting.

  •  The lamestream media is always in favor of war, (3+ / 0-)

    no matter what the reason.  It's such a nice change (from their point of view) from the Kardashians.  Or the jolly trio--Lindsey Lohan, Charlie Sheen, and Alec Baldwin.  

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:56:45 AM PDT

  •  It's as if Obama is channeling Bush... (1+ / 0-)
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    This isn't a slam dunk. I now question whether Kerry has any credibility. He's OK sending US servicemen to be the first to die for a mistake? What happened to him?

    There is evidence gas was used, but no believable evidence that Assad instigated it. In fact, McClatchy has a piece arguing the opposite is true. (And for the record, McClatchy is one of the few media outlets doing what media outlets are supposed to do.)

    Here's the link:  Intercepts

    I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

    by AllanTBG on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 10:59:22 AM PDT

  •  things proceed apace diplomacy continues to work (1+ / 0-)
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    certainly G20 discussions moved everyone toward consensus at least on an opening and of course powder remains dry for now, and misery on the ground continues as well. Perhaps there will be a broad humanitarian aid initiative in tomorrow's speech

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:00:12 AM PDT

  •  Have you tried eating Cheerios with a fork? (0+ / 0-)
    The strike, as envisioned, would be limited in the number of targets and done within a day or two. It could be completed in one fell swoop with missiles, said one senior official familiar with the weapons involved. A smaller, follow-on strike could be launched if targets aren't sufficiently damaged.

    A second senior official, who has seen the most recent planning, offered this metaphor to describe such a strike: If Assad is eating Cheerios, we're going to take away his spoon and give him a fork. Will that degrade his ability to eat Cheerios? Yes. Will it deter him? Maybe. But he'll still be able to eat Cheerios.

  •  Dear Mr. President... (4+ / 0-)

    Please spend the money you plan to waste in Syria on the poor and working class in this country. You may have restored funding for speedy airport check-ins and WH tours, but the poor are still suffering the effects of the sequester.

    Remember them?

    P.S. Please stop spying on your citizens. It's unconstitutional and, frankly, frightening.


  •  Come on (0+ / 0-)

    It's amazing that the number is as high as it is.  

    The idea that people "favor" attacks is a little extreme.  I think people would opt for something else that was more about positive towards it if they asked it without the idea of "Favor" being included. It makes me skeptical when I think about how I would consider my answer when I only have two options.  


    by otto on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:08:07 AM PDT

  •  After Obama gives his speech (1+ / 0-)
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    the numbers will probably be around 50/50. Whether some people like it not the President has an enormous amount of goodwill and trust from his supporters.

     Right now Assad and Putin might think Obama doesn't have the political support to strike, if it's 50/50 with Obama's "red line" credibility at stake it might make it more likely all parties come to the table to strike a deal before the bombs fall.

  •  Not the first time the majority has been wrong (0+ / 0-)

    Remember when 93% of the public thought Bush was an awesome president?

    -9.00, -3.69 "The purpose of a campaign is not to answer their attacks, but make them answer our attacks." - Paul Begala

    by SlackerInc on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:19:13 AM PDT

  •  The administration is operating under (1+ / 0-)
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    a fundamental misunderstanding, or pretending to do so.

    The opposition to a new war in Syria doesn't arise from being unconvinced by the evidence. The campaign to convince the people of the adequacy of the evidence is either a smokescreen for an attack already decided or evidence of the administration's tin ear.

    The American People are weary of living in a country bankrupted by war and corruption. What about my son who's been unemployed for two years? What about my daughter leaving for her fifth deployment in Afghanistan? What about my aunt who is being evicted from her home? What about my dad who only refills his blood pressure prescription every other month because he can't afford the medicine and his mortgage on Social Security? What about the primary school down the block closing? The bridge to downtown on the verge of collapse? Etc. Etc.

    I can see why the Village might want to "misunderstand" the polling. They are either lying, or they are full of shit.

    There's none so blind as those that will not see. --Jonathan Swift

    by chuckvw on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:21:05 AM PDT

  •  Polls suck basically. (0+ / 0-)

    We all know how the ACA polled. Not that I'm for a strike yet but I know a poll doesn't say wether the policy polled is better or worst for the country and I guess thats the real choice here.

    For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.” J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King

    by Maroon watch on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:22:28 AM PDT

  •  Polls are for proles... (1+ / 0-)
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    Vice President Dick Cheney had a different message. Informed during a Good Morning America interview broadcast Wednesday that two-thirds of Americans now think the war was not worth fighting, Cheney said: "So?"

    "So you don't care what the American people think?" ABC's Martha Raddatz asked.

    He added: "I think we cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations of the public opinion polls."

    Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. - Gandalf the Grey

    by No Exit on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 11:41:14 AM PDT

  •  It's being reported: Putin seeks diplomatic route (0+ / 0-)

    ..from an Israeli official: Putin seeks deal to prevent US attack in Syria - Attila Somfalvi Published:  09.08.13, 19:02 / Israel News  

    According to Israeli official, Russian president spoke with EU, Syria, Iran in order to establish agreement to cancel American strike in Syria, disarm Assad of chemical weapons
    Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent days has been trying to achieve a diplomatic settlement that would prevent an American strike in Syria, according to a statement by an Israeli government official Sunday. Another Israeli official said that the United States will notify Israel a few hours ahead of an attack.

    The two made the remarks while the cabinet convened to discuss developments in the Syrian crisis.

    So it sounds like most parties involved on differing sides and just as importantly the people from differing countries don't want war and choose diplomacy and talks - not bombs to work this through.

    Meanwhile ..the neo-cons & shills for the MIC; 'forget about peace, can't waste this crisis' so: extortion for profit - de-sequester our money trough or it's bombs away...

    Thx MB


  •  Polling doesn't matter (0+ / 0-)

    Jeez, Daily Kos posters invoking poll numbers to show polls of voters are against any intervention in Syria. If they believe that polls should dictate policy why aren't Daily Kos posters calling for the defunding and repeal of Obamacare. There isn't isn't a single poll that shows voter approval of Obamacare.

  •  WaPo/ABC News and Pew/USA Today (0+ / 0-)

    WaPo/ABC News and Pew/USA Today polls had almost the same exact results--for toplines, for Democrats, for Republicans, and for Independents. I found that rather impressive.

  •  Some oppose the attack just out of spite (0+ / 0-)

    And too make Obama look bad,  the US can decimate Syria in one hour,if the US wanted too, their  is no comparison to Bush and Obama, Bush had every intent on going too war in Iraq ,even while he had unfinished business in Afghanistan,the conflict  with Syria should not be about Obama or Assad ,but the people of Syria wanting to be free from Assad rule

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