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During the final minute of the NFC Championship game Sunday between the San Francisco 49ers and the Seattle Seahawks, with Seattle leading by 6, 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick targeted receiver Michael Crabtree in the Seahawks end zone with a pass that, if successful, would almost certainly have won the game for San Francisco. Instead, in a play that is destined to go down in franchise history, Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman tipped the pass to teammate Malcolm Smith for an interception. Now the Seahawks will be facing the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII, while the 49ers will be watching it on television, like the rest of us.

Minutes later, Fox Sports reporter Erin Andrews buttonholed Sherman for a brief but memorable sideline interview that turned out to be unlike any athlete interview you've ever seen.

I'm the best corner in the game! When you try me with a sorry receiver like Crabtree that's the result you're going to get! Don't you ever talk about me! ... Don't you open your mouth about the best, or I'm gonna shut it for you real quick! L.O.B.!
Sherman's remarks touched off a Hurricane Sandy-sized shitstorm on Twitter, that conduit for the human id that we turn to so often these days for instant reactions to anything.

And of course wherever idiots gather to leave 140-character brain droppings, there ye shall find racism. I'm not going to repeat them, but you can read some of the messages on Deadspin and Mediaite. The N-word was trotted out and paraded around; people assigned Sherman to several lower-order primate species; others expressed a heartfelt desire to see him murdered. As long as stupid racists have access to Twitter, no one should be surprised to see them say stupid racist things. But there were also subtler, more coded reactions: Sherman is a "thug."  Sherman is "ghetto." And then there were the reactions like this one:

Watch the clip above with the sound down and cover the left side of the video with your hand and tell me if you see a woman who's scared for her life. Aside from a brief oh-my-God-I-can't-believe-I'm-getting-this-interview reaction at the beginning, Andrews' demeanor is that of a seasoned professional throughout.

But of course that's not what Jeremy Rauch and others like him saw. What they saw was a large black man with dreadlocks standing next to a smaller white woman and ranting, and whether they realized it or not, something about that tableau made the lizard part of their brains light up with one of the oldest and most primitive forms of racism known to mankind: the perceived need to protect white womanhood from strong, virile black men. So in addition to perpetuating one of the worst racist stereotypes imaginable--and, again, I doubt that most of the people expressing sentiments like this realized they were even doing it--they did Erin Andrews a severe disservice, and to top it off, they weren't even right. Andrews was thrilled with the interview and explicitly denies most of what everyone is saying about it:

I don’t want this to look like I was upset with him, I was frightened, I felt threatened, we all like Richard Sherman a lot at Fox. At that moment I saw how crazy it was going to blow up, and I wanted to make sure people knew it wasn’t a situation where I’m a victim and he acted like an idiot.
So who is Richard Sherman? He's a man who graduated 2nd in his high school class after a childhood spent dodging gang bangers on the streets of Compton, California. He's a man who graduated from Stanford University--an institution not known for coddling its football players--with a 3.9 GPA and a degree in communications, and then turned right back around and got started on a master's degree. He's a man who was selected in the fifth round, the 154th pick overall, of the 2011 NFL draft, and in three years has become an All-Pro and Pro Bowl cornerback who has earned the right to call himself the best corner in the league. He is a student of the game who spends his free time watching game film for hours while his teammates are out partying. He is a philanthropist who is dedicated to his charity, Blanket Coverage, which supplies disadvantaged kids with school supplies and clothes. He is hated by fans who would love him if he played for their team.

He is a standout member of a team full of players who were never supposed to amount to anything, and he wears a chip on his shoulder that is the source of all his powers. All the racism, all the doubts, all the contempt, they all go into that chip. When idiots say racist shit about him on Twitter, that feeds him. All those sports fans who've ostentatiously declared themselves Broncos fans because of him have done nothing but work to bring about their own defeat. Because if the rest of the Seahawks play up to his level in two weeks, that upturned middle finger on Richard Sherman's hand will have a Super Bowl ring on it.

Originally posted to phenry on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:05 AM PST.

Also republished by Seattle & Puget Sound Kos.

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  •  Richaes Sherman is very smart, an (4+ / 0-)
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    outstanding football player and probably the best corner in the NFL. However, that does not make him any less a classless jerk. I would hope that given his dedication to his academic life both in high school and at Stanford that Sherman could be a great role model for other young athletes. But both his on the field antics and off the field rants make his someone unsuitable as a role model and that's unfortunate.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:19:20 AM PST

    •  typo alert - Richard Sherman (0+ / 0-)

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:19:53 AM PST

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    •  You don't get headlines being a respectable negro (4+ / 0-)

      Good for him.

      nosotros no somos estúpidos

      by a2nite on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:30:04 AM PST

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      •  Do you really think those are the (6+ / 0-)
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        two choices.  Here are some people I have never seen act like Richard Sherman yesterday.

        Jackie Robinson
        Hank Aaron
        Willie Mays
        Ernie Banks
        Frank Robinson
        Michael Jordan
        Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
        Labron James

        You want football?
        Jerry Rice
        Jim Brown
        Walter Payton

        The best players in their sports - ever!

        Do you really want to call them names?

        So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

        by illinifan17 on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:50:02 AM PST

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        •  I'm not clear on the point you're trying to make (1+ / 0-)
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          here.  Is this the list of "acceptable" players?

          Credulant (adj): Something that is not fully credible because it is unsourced but it sounds true so it is accepted without argument.

          by xajaxsingerx on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:54:08 AM PST

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          •  No that's a list of players who played with class (6+ / 0-)
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            and displayed the type of sportsmanship that we can point to as role models. In addition, they are all Hall of Fame players.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:00:57 AM PST

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            •  I keep seeing the word 'class' (3+ / 0-)
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              thrown around.

              Which 'class' are we talking about here, who defined it, and why do we insist that NFL players adhere to it?

              Do we have different standards for, say, WWE wrestlers because it's a 'make believe' competition instead of a real one?

              •  Ahh... (6+ / 0-)
                Do we have different standards for, say, WWE wrestlers because it's a 'make believe' competition instead of a real one?
                Yes.

                So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

                by illinifan17 on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:07:15 AM PST

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                •  My issue with your list is (0+ / 0-)

                  the fact that they are all black.  I know you don't mean to do this, but what you end up with is a list of acceptable vs. unacceptable African Americans which I don't think is what you meant to do.

                  Credulant (adj): Something that is not fully credible because it is unsourced but it sounds true so it is accepted without argument.

                  by xajaxsingerx on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:09:17 AM PST

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                  •  The comment with the list was a response to (5+ / 0-)

                    a comment from a2nite and it was right on point.

                    "let's talk about that"

                    by VClib on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:13:09 AM PST

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                  •  I have not used the words "acceptable" (2+ / 0-)
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                    or "unacceptable."  The original comment claimed that behavior like Sherman's is necessary for African-American athletes to "get headlines."

                    You don't get headlines being a respectable negro (3+ / 0-)
                    Good for him.
                    I quickly produced a list of the best players ever in their respective sports, all of whom are also African-Americans.  They all did way more than just "get headlines," and they never acted like Richard Sherman did yesterday.

                    I would not even call Richard Sherman "unacceptable."  His behavior at the end of one game was unacceptable, not because it was loud or emotional, but because it was selfish.  It drew attention to himself and his feud with a player on the other team, rather than to his team and its collective accomplishment.

                    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

                    by illinifan17 on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 12:50:37 PM PST

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              •  "We" can't insist (0+ / 0-)

                that they behave in a certain way. Only the NFL has the power to do that. However, there is no way to stop people from having opinions about athletes' or other famous people's behavior (or not-famous people for that matter).

                •  We 'insist' in that (1+ / 0-)

                  if they don't, they get criticized.

                  People are allowed to have all sorts of opinions about all sorts of things, just as we are also allowed to have opinions about what it means when people take to twitter to voice those opinions, and what it says about the people who are voicing those opinions.

                  Nobody is saying that people shouldn't have opinions, just that they might want to take a closer look at whatever assumptions or ideas are the foundation for those opinions.

                  •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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                    Fair enough ... however, as the parent of a young athlete, I feel like one of the important things we try to impart through athletics is good sportsmanship, and part of that involves a certain type of treatment of one's opponents. To me, teaching this goes along with a more general message that we are sending of the way we are supposed to treat others. The society at large is moving toward a higher vigilance toward denigration of others, bullying, basic meanness on the part of kids - we have become less accepting of that type of behavior over the past 30 years. It seems contradictory to me to be moving in a positive and more thoughtful direction in general in schools, etc., but to go the opposite direction on the sports field.

                    I would hope this is a general trend. I am not really comfortable with the idea that the expectation to treat people respectfully (which neither of the two did, not just Sherman) is classist / snobby / elitist / whatever.

                    •  Definitely (2+ / 0-)

                      and if you want to show your kids of a good example of an athlete who worked hard to get where he's at, have them read about Sherman's story:

                      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

                      He's overcome a lot of obstacles that would have and did stop a lot of people...perhaps those obstacles would have prevented many of us from succeeding, I don't know.

                      And it's not just about his scholastic success in high school or at Stanford, he started his own charity:

                      https://www.nflplayers.com/...

                      and yet people feel comfortable condemning the guy for a few seconds of post-game blather, in response to an ongoing back-and-forth with an opposing player? They think they 'know him', or know his character?

                      Priorities. They are also a valuable thing to teach our next generation.

                      I'm not sure if the division between trash talk and politeness is 'temporal', as you suggest. It's not like football players from the 50's and 60's were brimming with trash talk.

                      On the other hand, I can't even imagine would Twitter would think about some of Muhammad Ali's epic expositions.

                      But when comments are directed back and forth between two competitors, as is the case here, I think it's pretty far removed from 'bullying'. I doubt Crabtree thinks of himself as a victim.

                      •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)
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                        I agree the reaction was overblown. I mentioned that below.

                        I was using bullying as an example. I don't think what he did was bullying, but it's another example along a continuum of how others should be treated. With kids, we are trying to stop them from name calling, etc. It would seem weird to tell kids that they can't call names at home or at school or when playing with friends, but that it's fine against someone on the other sports team. If my son did that after a baseball game we would have quite the conversation in the car on the way home.

                        But again, I don't consider this a big deal, and I didn't tweet about it in horror ;) .

          •  No, as I say in the comment, these (5+ / 0-)
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            are the best players of all time in their sports.  Perhaps I should not have assumed that everyone would know that they are all African-Americans.  My point, again, as I wrote in the comment, is that I never saw any of these players act like Richard Sherman after winning a game.  Your original comment argued that Richard Sherman's kind of behavior is the only way an African-American athlete can "make headlines, and you labeled behavior different from his as "being a respectable negro."  All of the players I listed did far more than make headlines.  How do you characterize their behavior?

            So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

            by illinifan17 on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:04:34 AM PST

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            •  Do you know your sports? (7+ / 0-)

              Michael Jordan was a non stop trash talker on court. And his Hall of Fame induction was an all out pout against anyone and everyone.

              Willie Mays was called "surly" as was Kareem. LeBron James was roasted for his "My Decision" special on ESPN. Jim Brown was criticized for activism and for his criticism of self-interested cookie cutter Black athletes.

              Sherman had just made the biggest play of his career and was jacked. He did not use profanity or n word. He obviously did not scare Erin Andrews.

              And Muhammed Ali made remarks that make Sherman look like Miss Manners.

            •  Did anyone read what illinafan17 was responding to (1+ / 0-)
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              A poster said are there are only two choices for African-American athletes: "acceptable Negro" and "getting headlines"? And the wise answer is "No." There are a whole bunch of great black athletes who were neither "acceptable" in the sense of being servile or milquetoast-ish to avoid offending whites nor jackasses like Richard Sherman was being Sunday night. I am not saying Richard Sherman is a jackass in some permanent sense; just that he was acting like one Sunday night. Heck, he himself apologized, which shows that he's probably not a terrible human being, just one who needs to learn to keep his emotions in check, especially after winning, when long-established rules of sportsmanship dictate restraint rather than insulting your defeated opponent.

        •  Hey, those Toms never 'got headines' (0+ / 0-)

          Yes, snark.  Deep snark.

      •  No need to (1+ / 0-)
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        call Crabtree a "sorry" receiver, as he's not.  Sherman took it too far, as he admits.  

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:54:36 AM PST

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        •  Crabtree's not a bad receiver; just not the (0+ / 0-)

          be-all end-all receiver he thinks he is (yes, I've seen him in person). My kid had  classes with him at TTU awhile back, too.
          Remember how he "held out" after SF drafted him?

          We don't know what Crabtree said to Sherman. But I bet it wasn't rainbow-sparkle-unicorn remarks. 'Til / unless what Crabtree said comes out, I'll reserve my praise for both Sherman and Wes Welker (let's face it: if he'd been a Pats TE doing that to a Denver defender, Belicheck would be praising him to the skies still).

          LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 02:18:43 PM PST

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      •  So... (1+ / 0-)
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        Black men should behave like assholes during interviews in order to get respected?

        “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

        by RichM on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:31:29 AM PST

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      •  I agree with the diarist & Mr. Sherman did not (1+ / 0-)
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        Give the same "whitewashed" response after immediately coming off the field reminds me that the NFL = no fun league. His response was honest.

        There are a lot of people who don't like a display of powerful black men. Gotta keep a n in his place. gotta keep keep the white women safe.

        nosotros no somos estúpidos

        by a2nite on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 12:18:44 PM PST

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      •  'sides all that Crabtree thinks of himself (1+ / 0-)
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        as the hottest thing in the NFL, and he's (demonstrably IMO) far less than that.
        So go get 'em Sherman!

        Also: Graham Harrell used to throw passes for Crabtree at Texas Tech. Harrell's had his SB ring awhile now. Crabtree's out of the hunt this year, again.

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 02:15:22 PM PST

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    •  You know who are classless jerks? (3+ / 0-)
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      People who take one rant in the heat of the moment, after Crabtree was trash-talking him for weeks (according to Sherman), and judge him based entirely on that episode.  Do you think Dan Choi is a classless jerk after his comments about Harry Reid's balls?

      ....no longer in SF.... -9.00, -7.38

      by TFinSF on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:44:31 AM PST

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      •  It's a classless act, so when you do that, (1+ / 0-)
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        you need to redeem yourself later. As I said above, Sherman himself apologized, yet there are a bunch of folks who are so (rightly) upset about the racist backlash against Sherman that they are losing all sense of proportion by defending what Sherman did, even though Sherman himself has expressed regret.

  •  I think it was blown out of proportion. (17+ / 0-)

    Those sideline interviews are usually pretty stupid but what would be expected  when the man just saved the game and is asked how he feels. Of course he is still pumped and excited and now he goes to the Super Bowl. Sherman is not a thug. But.... many San Francisco fans are going to take out their upset with the loss on Sherman. And many still believe that true sportsmanship means you have to be a humble winner and not gloat.  I think Sherman did try to shake the hand of Crabtree and was rejected with a slap. I think I would be very aggravated if I were Sherman.  As for the racists out there they need very little to get them to show their true colors.

  •  He's obviously (9+ / 0-)

    a smart guy and a great player. But it's hard to go wrong with good sportsmanship, and that was not an example thereof.

    I agree though, the reaction has been overblown, and I tend to doubt there would be the same kind of anger aimed at a trash-talking white player.

  •  He was also classless in that situation (9+ / 0-)

    Legit criticism isn't racism. Just as racism isn't legit criticism.

  •  Wow. (2+ / 0-)
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    And here i was, thinking football players and its fans had class.

  •  Yup nt (1+ / 0-)
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    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:28:25 AM PST

  •  Sherman wrote a piece for Peter King's... (5+ / 0-)

    ... MMQB site.  It is a great read.

    Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

    by Hey338Too on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:31:16 AM PST

  •  I am surprised that he is getting so much (8+ / 0-)

    support.  Racist criticism, as always, is unacceptable, but not all criticism should suffer guilt by association.

    I have two problems with what he did:

    1) His actions after the game were selfish - they diminished the accomplishment of his team and made sure that he would be the main story.

    2)  He talked about how bad his opponent (Michael Crabtree) is instead of  complimenting his teammate Malcolm Smith for being in position to intercept the pass when Sherman deflected it up (ask the University of Georgia how that can go wrong).  Again - selfish!

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:33:12 AM PST

  •  He acted like a clown. (5+ / 0-)

    What is racist is excusing this sort of behavior because some racists criticize it.

  •  The reaction (2+ / 0-)
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    is coming from roughly the same set of people who thought the media was making too big of a deal of Riley Cooper using the n-word.

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:44:36 AM PST

  •  I thought it was a bit over the top at first. (7+ / 0-)

    And still do, but to a much smaller extent when I read that there was some history between him and Crabtree. Also read a statement that his 'good game' handshake was spurned by Crabtree at the end.

    Makes the outburst a bit more understandable.

    For what it's worth: http://nypost.com/...

    •  Actually Sherman mocked Crabtree on the field (0+ / 0-)

      before extending that handshake, according to Slate at least. SO the handshake offer actually came off as a domineering gesture, not a sincere one. But regardless, even if Crabtree himself acted like a jerk, that's absolutely no excuse to descend to that level when you are the winner. The winner always needs to be a better sport than the loser. It's sportsmanship 101, which has nothing to do with race and is drilled into young athletes from age 8 - 18.

      •  ? A better sport than the loser? (0+ / 0-)

        I think I read a different sportsman handbook than you did.

        And yet, we are all talking about Sherman, and not the face push.

        Also, isn't trash-talk rather ubiquitous among young male athletes?

  •  Plus, Crabtree tried to start a fight with him (6+ / 0-)

    last summer at a charity event.

    They have a history.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:48:49 AM PST

  •  While there was certainly a lot of over racism (4+ / 0-)
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    in the twitterverse after his interview --- you've linked to some of it in the main -- there is also a less identifiable, less confrontational, more acceptable denigration of Sherman in the comments that he is classless, tasteless, or a poor sportsman.

    It's not racism -- it's classism.

    I live and work very close to where Sherman grew up and down here, Sherman's reaction is the expected and accepted reaction -- trash talk is not poor sportsmanship, it's part of the game here.

    There is also the backstory, which seems to have been missed -- after the play, Sherman turned to Crabtree and said, "Good Game."  Crabtree reacted by pushing Sherman's facemask.  That would've pissed me off, too.

    Even if Sherman's story doesn't play out, I believe that his interview was not only acceptable, but appropriate.

    What is considered genteel and sportsmanlike depends greatly on where the game is being played and by whom.   Professional Football is played in large part by people who have a very different definition of appropriate sportsmanlike conduct than the average NFL viewer.  The real question, then, is whose game is it, really?

    Credulant (adj): Something that is not fully credible because it is unsourced but it sounds true so it is accepted without argument.

    by xajaxsingerx on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:50:43 AM PST

    •  Sherman drew a flag after the play (1+ / 0-)
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      I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere in comments:

      Some time between breaking up the pass and getting to his interview with Erin Andrews, Sherman was flagged by the officials for unsportsmanlike conduct. That's why the Seahawks ran out the clock at their own 10 rather than at their own 20.

      I don't think the officials threw that flag because Sherman "turned to Crabtree and said, 'Good Game.'" Notably, they did not flag Crabtree for giving Sherman the straight-arm to the face; they saw something else going on they judged that Sherman was instigating.

      Compton culture notwithstanding, his behavior on the field was objectively unsportsmanlike under the rules of the NFL, and his behavior off the certainly wasn't any better.

      "They let 'em vote, smoke, and drive -- even put 'em in pants! So what do you get? A -- a Democrat for President!" ~ Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!

      by craiger on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 12:19:03 PM PST

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    •  Well then the teaching of sportsmanship ... (1+ / 0-)
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      has to change. There should not be two standards, one for some neighborhoods and another for other neighborhoods, especially for athletes who aren't playing at the neighborhood level but are becoming star athletes first in colleges with nationwide audiences and then as professionals.

      Not everyone should have to meet the Jackie Robinson standard of neither being too deferential nor too "in your face"; that would be unfair. But there needs to be a basic code of sportsmanship that cuts across class and race and includes the principle that the winner does not tap dance on the grave of the loser.

  •  Even admirable people make mistakes. Own up. (4+ / 0-)
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    It was a classless rant and it's not racist to say so.  It would have been just as classless coming from a white player.  It wasn't any less classless just because he has led an otherwise exemplary life.  

  •  I don't know what I enjoyed more... (10+ / 0-)

       ...the sideline interview or the massive media pearl-clutching afterwards.

       And we wonder why most athletes stick to cliches...
     

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:52:36 AM PST

  •  I don't have tv. (0+ / 0-)

    I heard a very angered athlete vent some hate which had spat history to it.
    Usually such uttered poison comes from Republicans.
    The world uglies by the minute as things stand.
    I hear frightful radio lies continually as I roll the dial. I don't know what it does to the listeners; except, somewhat indirectly, I imagine the gun slaughters and anti abortion murders and blind rejection of decent legislation confirms some cause effect.
    Role models reveal plenty.

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    by renzo capetti on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:54:27 AM PST

  •  i like the arguments (1+ / 0-)
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    "He's an arrogant jerk!"
    "But he went to Stanford!"

    If there's an issue, it's that we expect anything else -- a need to be the best is what drives Sherman, even while upon reflection, he admits he went to far in insulting Michael Crabtree, he'll do the same thing again.

    The best trash talker of all time is Larry Bird, for people who want to think it's a black thing.  He came into the locker room before the NBA three point contest and said "which of you is competing for second."  And hockey has the "pest," the only black one of whom I can think is P.K. Subban.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:01:18 AM PST

    •  'He went to Stanford' (2+ / 0-)
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      was not used as a defense against the charge of being arrogant, but of the oft leveled charge that he was an 'ignorant thug'.

      •  those arguments are self-evidently stupid, (0+ / 0-)

        but "classless" is more complex.  Yes, he's acquired certain credentials and  great education, but Stanford has graduated plenty of people a lot worse than Richard Sherman.  

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:11:58 AM PST

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        •  Those comments are only 'self-evidently' stupid (2+ / 0-)
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          to people who wouldn't make them in the first place.

          They also contain a fair dose of racism. So perhaps responding to an 'ignorant thug' comment with a list of academic achievements might cause the poster to think just a little bit.

          Maybe.

          One can only hope.

          And once again, 'classless', to me, is too ill-defined to properly discuss. You can call it 'complex', but I'm not even sure what most people mean when they say it.

          To me, Crabtree's face-push at the end was far more classless than Sherman's after-game vocal response to the cameras. But, I guess just like football penalties, it's always the last guy that gets called out.

          •  sure, Crabtree's probably (1+ / 0-)
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            more of a jerk than Sherman, but he's not a "sorry receiver."   In any event, Sherman tipped the ball not because of anything Crabtree did, but because Kaepernick underthrew it.  

            Ironically, the players in the NFL who've proven to be thugs were generally among the more soft-spoken, like Marvin Harrison, Aaron Hernandez, Sam Hurd . . .  But the notion of a discrepancy between going to Stanford and being a trash talker is crazy -- Sherman's old college coach spent the whole game (not unjustifiably) screaming about the officiating from the other sideline.  (Harbaugh's a Michigan man - not a thug.)

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:28:09 AM PST

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      •  He's also 'clean,' I guess. (0+ / 0-)

        What a lame-o defense of a dick move.

    •  Origihs of trash talk? (1+ / 0-)
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      "which of you is competing for second."
      If anyone is laboring under the misapprehension that trash talk originated in the second half of the 20th Century, take a look at John L. Sullivan at the end of the 19th Century.

      And the above quote isn't even original with Bird. Try Walter Hagen.

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      by exatc on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 12:58:00 PM PST

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  •  Unsportsmanlike conduct. (0+ / 0-)

    Threats from a winner are just plain unsportsmanlike, especially when they come from privilege.

  •  Mr. Sherman by his very nature has two very (10+ / 0-)

    different personas. There is the man who for all intents and purposes is a modern day gladiator in our somewhat bloodless blood sport. There in his modern amphitheater he becomes what he needs to be to compete in a brutal younger brother of war that we call a game, but in essence is a battle. Erin stuck a microphone in front of a warrior's face to hear what he was thinking. Shocking for most of America to hear what he had to say when still in his combat persona. He must therefore be a very bad man.

    Mr. Sherman away from that environment is a thoughtful, educated and caring individual. His first comment on the way Mr. Bowman was treated by some of his fans when Bowman was carted of the field is worth reading. His Blanket Coverage program does good work in the city of Seattle. They do not hand out degrees at Stanford for remedial shoe tying.

    As a combat vet I can completely understand what happened. Why do think there are no unedited interviews with soldiers fresh from a firefight? Most of America cannot understand and more importantly and tellingly, do not want to understand, where that man or woman just came from. Understandably so as it is an ugly place.

    Further there is a history and an intense rivalry between the two teams. There is also a history between Mr. Crabtree and Mr. Sherman on a personal and professional level.

    Rushing to judgement is something that we like as a society like to do. 120 to 200 hundred seconds of video do not define the whole person. Remember that you live in a glass house before you start throwing stones. I'm absolutely certain that each and everyone in the country has said or done something similar, and are profoundly glad that there was no reporter with a video camera on hand when they did it.  

    Give blood. Play hockey.

    by flycaster on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:07:29 AM PST

    •  Except that apparently he acts like that off the (1+ / 0-)
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      field as well.  Chris Hayes actually spent a lot of time on him last night, I think it was, showing a clip of him being an arrogant ass to some sports pundit type from some time in the past.  He kept going on about how he was one of the 22 best people in the NFL, and kept going on about how the talking head wasn't one of the 22 best of anything, and they in his short life, he was more successful than the other guy.  

      It was the same level of arrogance you see in various elites in any field, whether 'earned' or inherited, of any race.  He may be one of the 22 best whatevers in the NFL, but he's got a lot of growing up to do.  And if he manages to hold on to whatever wealth he makes playing football, he might just live the rest of his life that way.

  •  It's sports man, people are taking it too (4+ / 0-)

    seriously.  It's like when Muhammad Ali did his thing, stuffed shirts couldn't handle it.  They still can't handle it.  People need to loosen their fucking ties.  Which brings up another question, why do people wear ties and suits to football games?  What is up with that anyway?

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    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:10:21 AM PST

  •  I saw the interview. (1+ / 0-)
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    Thought, "WTF?" Figured there was a back story there. Smiled. Moved on.

  •  I thought it was rude and bizarre (1+ / 0-)
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    I was out of the room and heard it from a different room.  I did not know the race of the speaker as I had no TV in the room where I was.

    When I heard it I immediately thought it was sophomoric, rude, over the top and an embarrassment to his team and teammates.

    I was not reacting to his race - merely to his rant.

  •  Assholes come in all colors and IQ levels (0+ / 0-)

    Is this gonna force me to root for Peyton 'Papa John' Manning?

    Geezus.

    Puppy Bowl!

    And oh yeah -- KITTEN Bowl!

  •  Hey, at least he bared his thoughts honestly (1+ / 0-)
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    rather than reading a PR message from a teleprompter.

    Shall we go? Yes, let's go.

    by whenwego on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:37:31 AM PST

  •  "Football is hell." -- Sherman (nt) (1+ / 0-)
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    "Woe unto ye beetles of South America." -- Charles Darwin, about to sail on The Beagle, 1831

    by Katakana on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 11:43:36 AM PST

  •  Good intentions, questionable diary (2+ / 0-)
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    People don't like jerks in sports, whatever their skin color.  Ted Williams, Pete Rose, John McEnroe, etc.

    It's always been this way and there's really no way to establish that "much" of the criticism is based on race.

    Whether racists are using Richard Sherman's rant to further the stereotype of the "angry black man" and how susceptible people are to that stereotype is another story.

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