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Volunteers working at a food pantry.
Democrats and Republicans in Congress have reached a food stamp cuts "compromise." The $8 billion in cuts over the next decade will certainly compromise the health of low-income families and the moral standing of any Democrat voting for it, but if we're going to define anything as a compromise as long as it's less than the most crazy-extreme Republican demand, the nation is basically doomed. Yes, $8 billion over a decade is less than the $40 billion House Republicans favored, but Republicans can take comfort in the fact that it's still going to leave a lot of people hungry:
The farm bill would avoid some of the drastic measures that were part of the House bill, like work requirements and drug testing for food stamp recipients, but antihunger advocates said the $8 billion cut would reduce benefits by about $90 a month for 850,000 households. The bill does contain financing for a pilot program aimed at encouraging recipients who can work to find work. Nearly two million people will be affected by the cuts.
Oh, great. A pilot program to encourage people to find work. Now if Congress would just pass some meaningful job-creation legislation so there were actually jobs to be found. By the way, under current rules, "Able-bodied adults without dependents (ABAWDs) may only receive 3 months of SNAP benefits during any 3 year period, unless they are working in a qualifying job training program." Funny how that gets lost in the shuffle when Republicans start screaming about work requirements.

After November's cuts to food stamp benefits, many food pantries and soup kitchens ran out of food. Now Congress is doubling down with that $90 a month cut for 850,000 households, so any Republican who likes to claim that charity will be able to step in and fill the gap had better get out their checkbook right now and make a big gift to their local food bank. Or prepare to be proven very, very wrong about charity being enough. Actually, be prepared to be proven wrong anyway. And be prepared for higher health care costs as well.

It's cruel, it's shortsighted, it's shameful. And of course the major question is whether the most extreme among the extremist House Republicans will revolt because it's not cruel, shortsighted, or shameful enough.

Tell your House member: Stop the backroom deal that cuts food stamps.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 08:08 AM PST.

Also republished by Hunger in America and Daily Kos.

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  •  Sick of this crap (33+ / 0-)

    There's no excuse for Democrats rolling over. None.

    But damned if there aren't a handful of people trying their level best to make some. I can't say shame on them anymore, since, clearly, they have no shame whatsoever.

    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

    by lunachickie on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 08:23:51 AM PST

    •  how true, but the Buck stops elsewhere. (1+ / 0-)
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      The Doe starts with congress. In several ways. And means.

      What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

      by agnostic on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:00:33 AM PST

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    •  Ditto. I'm sick of it too but (10+ / 0-)

      I'm not blaming Democrats. Unless they want to be the ones ripped to shreds for refusing to give an inch and pass ANYTHING unless they get 100% their way i.e. no cuts in food assistance, they have to do the best they can. I would prefer to see an increase in food assistance, but the way to do that is not to damn the Democrats who are between a rock and a hard place but to oust Republicans from leadership.

      As for "encouraging recipients who can work to find work," FUCK THEM. Diarist is dead on — in what jobs. I have two college degrees, a great work record, and am in perfect health in my 60s. I have been job hunting for a year now. I'd be happy to do anything that paid at least $10 an hour. There's nothing. What "training" am I going to do at my age? For what? Some job that probably isn't even there anymore.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:54:32 AM PST

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    •  Not to Worry! (0+ / 0-)

      BIG cuts are coming for other...... well, NOTHING.

      "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

      by Superpole on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:10:55 AM PST

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    •  It's easy to stand on principal. . . . (6+ / 0-)

      . . . when the decision doesn't take food off of your table.

      I work for a Food Bank.  I got an email this morning from Feeding America (the national organization that the majority of Food Banks belong to) and it contained the information cited above about the cuts to SNAP and the following position from Feeding America:

      While we strongly oppose the cuts to SNAP and therefore will not support the bill, we also will not be actively opposing its passage.  This decision did not come lightly.  We know how damaging the loss of SNAP benefits will be to low-income households, particularly coming on top of the SNAP ARRA cut last November.  However, after discussing the implications with the network, our partners, and key Members of Congress and their staff, we have come to the following conclusions:

       After a thorough assessment of the political climate, we believe it very unlikely that the outcome for SNAP and other hunger-relief programs will improve if this bill fails.

      •     Based on what we saw with the House increasing the cuts to SNAP after the initial bill failed because cuts to SNAP were not deep enough, history suggests the outcome could be far worse if Congress attempts to pass a different bill later in 2014.

      •     With the mid-term election this fall, it is possible that the political composition of Congress will shift in a direction that makes it harder to protect against cuts. Democrats are at-risk of losing seats in the Senate, possibly losing control of the chamber, and are unlikely to pick up significant seats in the House.

      •     After three years of partisan fighting to get the farm bill to a vote and with mid-term elections on the horizon, we believe this is likely the best bill possible for this farm bill cycle.

      •    While the TEFAP [*The Emergency Food Assistance Program] gains in no way will make up for the lost meals due to the SNAP cuts, they are nevertheless critical to our network.  An increase of $205 million in TEFAP is a significant victory in this era of deficit reduction, and there is no guarantee that we would be able to secure the same amount of new funding for TEFAP if the current bill fails.

      So, the fact is when you're looking to put as much food on the plates of hungry Americans, sometimes you have to realize that a bad deal now is better than a worse deal tomorrow.  This is a rational decision that we have to make in the Food Assistance world, because our job is to put as much food in the mouths of struggling families as possible, not to make some high-minded stand that ends up hurting the families we serve.  

      Democrats in the House and Senate must make the same decisions we do.  The fact is it would probably be irresponsible for them to vote "no" on this bill.  Struggling families need food, not idealism.

      Also, insulting and name-calling of those who are fighting as hard as they can on behalf of food insecure families is not very productive.  We are out here on the front lines and yes, making tough choices.  But we're all on the same side here.  Blasting someone for making a difficult choice that you might disagree with is just being a jerk.  We don't want these cuts either.

      •  Thank you very much for this info! (1+ / 0-)
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        And I commend you and your work.

      •  Excuse me? (2+ / 0-)
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        It's easy to stand on principal when the decision doesn't take food off of your table.
        You flat-out have no basis to say that whatsoever. None. How the hell do YOU know what's taking food off MY table?

        Unbelievable...do you think "working in a food bank" gives you the right to say such a thing?
         

        This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

        by lunachickie on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:01:54 PM PST

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        •  I sincerely apologize (2+ / 0-)
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          It was never my intention to imply that it didn't affect your personal situation.  I have no clue if it does or doesn't, nor does it matter.  It was a poor choice of word emphasis.

          My point was it would be easy for politicians (and affluent advocates like the CEO of Feeding America) to take an "ideological stand" but the harder thing is to ask them to accept a bad deal that could potentially cost them politically because it's actually better for their constituents than what they would get for holding out.

          I was trying to emphasize the difficulty of the calculus.  I think it's ideologically lazy, and dishonest, to imply that anyone who supports the deal is not even attempting to act in the best interests of food insecure families.  Which is what your statement was saying.  You're saying that they should be ashamed, but don't have the capacity.

          What I'm saying is that people who mean well, hell people like me and other Food Bank employees who dedicate their lives to feeding people in need, are ambivalent about the passage of the deal.  There is a very, very legitimate argument to be made that taking this deal now is the smart thing to do and that it will help struggling families more than some ideologically based hold out for 100% concession that is never going to be given.

          So, you want to say I should be ashamed?  Well I'm not.  Me and people who work in the emergency food network can have opinions that are different from you and not need to be ashamed of it.  Please learn, and I'm going to go ahead and emphasize this here and stand by it:  OTHER PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE WITH YOU AND NOT AUTOMATICALLY BE WRONG.

          •  Oh yes, it does matter (0+ / 0-)
            So, you want to say I should be ashamed?  Well I'm not.  
            And you should be. This isn't a matter of "disagreement". It's a matter of reality.

            And FRANKLY WITH ALL THE SHOUTING, and seeing who rec'd your "apology", I'd have to disagree with your sincerity as well.
             

            This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

            by lunachickie on Wed Jan 29, 2014 at 06:13:05 AM PST

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      •  How fascinating! (1+ / 0-)
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        Just jump right in there, partner! Brand new account, helping to defend another Dem "leadership" sellout on SOTU Day?

        LOL! like hiding the Homeless when the Conventions come to town...

        This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

        by lunachickie on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:38:14 PM PST

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      •  This takes food off of my table (1+ / 0-)
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        And it takes food off the table of a lot of people. I don't know what world you live in where $90 dollars a month less for food isn't taking food off the table.

        Thank you for doing what you do at a food bank, but neither I nor anyone else affected by this needs your condescension.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 01:24:14 PM PST

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        •  Again, I apologize (3+ / 0-)
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          I wasn't saying that anyone who is on SNAP is/isn't automatically in favor of this or that they should be.

          I was saying that the choice is a hell of a lot harder than what  lunachickie implied, and that intelligent and well meaning people who are dedicated to the fight against food insecurity can disagree on if this bill is better than the alternative we would get for holding out.

          I'm saying that just because a politician (or organization, or individual) doesn't demand a 100% ideological stance and holdout on this legislation doesn't mean they are any less serious about fighting for food insecure families.  

          And saying that everyone who disagrees with you should be ashamed of it but " clearly, they have no shame whatsoever" is a hell of a lot more condescending than anything I said.

          •  100% ideological stance would mean (1+ / 0-)
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            fully funding food stamps to previous levels, or increasing them.

            And saying that everyone who disagrees with you should be ashamed of it but " clearly, they have no shame whatsoever" is a hell of a lot more condescending than anything I said.
            I could quibble with this but it's a fair point. I think that the politicians who "negotiated" this should be ashamed.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 02:36:50 PM PST

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            •  I don't disagree that SNAP cuts are awful. . . (3+ / 0-)
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              because they are.  They are incredibly awful.  They are life-shatteringly destructive.  And that's why we've been advocating for full funding of SNAP since day one.  That's why we've written hundreds of letters and had volunteers make thousands of phone calls.  That's why Rep. McGovern read the paper plate messages that my student advocate group sent to him on the floor of the House of Representatives.  

              I don't point all this out to brag.  I point this out because goddamn it, I take SNAP cuts seriously.  I live and breath this stuff for 10 hours a day at work.  I say this because I think my opinion is just as valid as anyone's and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand, and for a fellow progressive to imply that anyone who is willing to support passage of this bill is incapable of shame and doesn't really have the best interests of food insecure families at heart, quite frankly that is really, really insulting to me, which is why I had to respond in the first place.

              I wish we could get a farm bill with not just no SNAP cuts, but with a boost that would really address the problem, not put a bandaid on the sucking chest wound that is food insecurity and poverty in America.

              And I'm sorry but it pisses me off to see people on sites like Daily Kos, so liberals that should know better than to go around name calling everyone who disagrees with them, oversimplifying policy discussions, ignoring anyone who disagrees with them, and dismissing anyone that doesn't line up 100% agreement with their opinion.  That's not how liberals are supposed to talk about issues.  Is this a progressive blog or is this Brietbart where we all bitch about anyone in the party that doesn't toe the hardest of the hard left line and pretend that every decision that a politician makes is an easy black or white issue?

              •  You've done an admirable job (1+ / 0-)
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                of trying to explain the l positions of those NGOs who do regular work (and advocacy) to help feed the hungry.  This is no easy and as you've obviously learned, not often welcomed task.

                But it serves the whole community to have this perspective spelled out for us, so we can have more informed opinions about the actions of various stakeholders and politicians, even if we disagree with it.

                Welcome to daily kos.  You've been baptized in a bit of fire, but you seem to have come through it, admirably imvho.

                Welcome from the DK Partners & Mentors Team. If you have any questions about how to participate here, you can learn more at the Knowledge Base or from the New Diarists Resources Diaries. Diaries labeled "Open Thread" are also great places to ask. We look forward to your contributions.

                Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

                by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 05:09:43 PM PST

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              •  My estimate would be that (0+ / 0-)

                most of the people that read this blog totally agree with you, and support your POV.

                You may already realize this, but there are some fairly irrational people that like to post here often.  It's unfortunate.  I ignore them most of the time.

  •  Shame on the Democrats that (13+ / 0-)

    voted for this.

    Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by DRo on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 08:25:17 AM PST

    •  Did the Democrats think that it would (18+ / 0-)

      be a good thing to announce this news on the same day that the President and party leader was going to be giving the State of the Union address which will focus on the problems of economic inequality?

      Did they really think that announcing a kick in the teeth for millions of vulnerable Americans would lend credibility to what their party leader is reportedly going to talk about tonight?

      So, the President stands up and says he wants to help people at the bottom - to help revive the middle class and working classes - and the members of his party are on the very same day announcing a cut to a program that helps people at the bottom and is unfortunately being accessed now by people who were just a few years ago amongst the ranks of the working and middle classes.  WTF?

      •  They'll blame the GOP like always (4+ / 0-)

        They were forced to do it. Never mind that the GOP was never forced to do anything by the Dems when the GOP was in power.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:08:05 AM PST

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        •  They Are NOT (3+ / 0-)
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          limited to now putting forth a food bill that enables all working poor and all unemployed, all who are past 45 who lost jobs due to financial sector forcing recession.

          No one is mentioning all the people who are doing some work or working two jobs now, just to the congress neglect or intentional crafting of loophole laden bills, or whatever the whole case is. Those who work for Walmart's McDonalds and many others who now must WORK AND HOPE they can maintain foodstamps...

          Or need retrained at 50yr old... as example... what of those?  

          It is a very dark time in this country. Around the world I guess we are just catching up with some other countries?

          It is not beyond prudent expectation that any congress dem now put forth multitudes of bills, simple and clear intent over and over for assistance for the people of this society in this country. Yes, logic and perhaps courage so, which way will they go? Rely on excuse they HAD to? How embarrassing that old speech should be and then Off to vacation I suspect..  

          They are whittling away, each time presenting this as a small give to get something DONE?

          Ok, I accept I had allowed my emotions of the injustice to take hold. I stand in acknowledgement.. But dammit it is shamefully and repetitively true for me.

        •  We will see when President Obama (3+ / 0-)
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          speaks tonight, but I am betting that rather than scolding Congress for cutting food stamps, he will congratulate them on making a deal.  

          That's the problem.  

          His advisers have never pushed him to say something like, "While I am really glad that we are likely to have a farm bill, I am extremely troubled by the food stamp cuts in it.  This is not the time to cut assistance programs.  We should be looking to create jobs to reduce the need for assistance programs.  But until we get serious about jobs and opportunity, we simply can't be cutting help that Americans need."

          Anyway, we'll see how he handles it later, but my bet is on him claiming victory and creating more cognitive dissonance as he so often does, imo.

  •  Embrace the Suck! (14+ / 0-)

    That's the new Democratic Party mantra at the leadership level.

    The less fortunate and the less well off are the first casualties of compromise.

    The Dems in DC have fully embraced austerity...and we ought to have a serious discussion about the implications of that.

    The Grand Bargain must be stopped at all costs to protect the 99%.

    by cybrestrike on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 08:34:41 AM PST

  •  Well, someody's got to get triaged (13+ / 0-)

    to keep the 1%'s wealth increasing.

  •  Lemme see... (20+ / 0-)

    "It could've been worse!!!!"

    "The president isn't a dictator!!!!"

    "You hippies shouldn't have sat home in 2010!!!!"

    "It's the best we could do so Republicans wouldn't yell at us!!!!"

    Have I got all the main excuses covered?

    •  They do have the majority in the House, and this (7+ / 0-)

      is the best deal we could get.  Let's not go crazy blaming our side.

      •  I Know! (5+ / 0-)

        Let's shut down the government until we get SNAP funded!

        47 is the new 51!

        by nickrud on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:42:29 AM PST

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        •  very apt comparison (0+ / 0-)

          "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

          by JackND on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:58:27 AM PST

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        •  Why not? (6+ / 0-)

          I would do a lot to keep someone from starving. I'd admire and support a representative who went the extra mile for the poor.  This is the little extra bit I added to the standard letter to my congresswoman.

          Why do you want a part of this? Let the Republicans own it if they want to hurt people. You aren't "saving" anyone or doing yourself any favors by supporting this. It's evil, walk away from it. Every religion, every moral philosophy on this horrid little planet tells us to FEED THE POOR. You're going to back away from that?

          Join Essa in a revolt against the gods. Continue the fight, Causality.

          by rbird on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:04:47 AM PST

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      •  Well, an acceptable compromise to me would have (11+ / 0-)

        left it the same.  No cuts, no increase.  I would consider that an acceptable compromise.  Less than that . . . a failure.

        “One life. A little gleam of Time between two Eternities.” -- Thomas Carlyle

        by Rikon Snow on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:42:38 AM PST

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      •  So true, icemilkcoffee (3+ / 0-)
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        Our only other option, given the intransigent Crazy of the hard-line right, would have been to do exactly what they are doing — stomp and scream and refuse to give an inch. And they won't. So .... stalemate. Then WE get the blame going into the 2014 elections, they keep control of the House, and things get worse. I'm not happy with this, but the blame is not on the Democrats.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

        by anastasia p on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:56:24 AM PST

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        •  And, more importantly (0+ / 0-)

          no funding at all.

          "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

          by anonevent on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:01:37 AM PST

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        •  I'll take the blame for trying to feed the poor (5+ / 0-)

          So, yeah, stomp and scream and make a fuss. It ain't like we're short on money, we have a trillion dollars for a program to replace all our existing tactical aircraft when we're not in a cold war, we're closing down the one war we have left, there are no real-world challenges to our existing fleet of tactical aircraft, and in less than ten years there will be no manned tactical aircraft.  Never mind, let's blow the money on military aircraft that will be obsolete in a decade.  But we can't swing enough money to feed the poor?

          Let's shut down the government.  The Republicans shut it down over an abstract accounting gimmick, let's shut it down to feed the poor.

          I'm serious, this isn't snark.  Democrats should stand for something other than the interests of the wealthy.  Time to make that clear to the American people.

          Join Essa in a revolt against the gods. Continue the fight, Causality.

          by rbird on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:16:59 AM PST

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          •  Us shutting down the government (0+ / 0-)

            especially since the media will not spin for us like they do for the GOP means that we will decrease our chances of getting what we want and increase our chances of losing power to do anything we want.

            Not acceptable to me. This is why I got out of politics for 30 years. I want results, not smug moral superiority.

            Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

            by anastasia p on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:54:23 AM PST

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            •  You really think that the public is going to (0+ / 0-)

              blame the Dems for a shut down? When has that ever happened?

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:46:23 PM PST

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            •  Refusing to allow American citizens to starve is (2+ / 0-)
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              "smug moral superiority"?  Now that's what I call smug indifference to human suffering.  Willingness to sacrifice the underclasses for political gain has no place in liberal ideology.  When you say "what WE want", I hope you realize you're speaking for the neoliberal plutocrat kissasses because the largely disenfranchised dem base DOES want their party to take a damn stand on moral issues already.  Problem is, there aren't many morals to go around in DC these days.

              Not sure how anyone can misconstrue the real cause of dem base apathy these days but you seem to be doing a fine job of it.

              "I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy..." -Albert Einstein

              by socindemsclothing on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:50:15 PM PST

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            •  "smug moral superiority"? (0+ / 0-)

              It is a fundamental moral commandment in just about every fucking religion and moral philosophy on the planet. Atheist thought is shoulder to shoulder in this with Christians, Hindus, Moslems, Jews, Taoists, Confucians, and Buddhists:

              FEED THE POOR

              Have you considered him who calls the judgment a lie? That is the one who treats the orphan with harshness, And does not urge (others) to feed the poor. [Al-Quran 107:1-3]
              Allah's Messenger (PBUH) said: " The most excellent sadaqah consists in your satisfying the hungry  stomach." (Al-Tirmidhi #1946)
              Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 19:10
              The gods have not ordained that humans die of hunger;
              even to the well-fed man death comes in many shapes.
              The wealth of the generous man never wastes away,
              but the niggard has none to console him.

              He who, possessed of food, hardens his heart
              against the weak man, hungry and suffering,
              who comes to him for help, though of old he helped him--
              surely he finds none to console him.

              He is liberal who gives to anyone who asks for alms,
              to the homeless, distressed man who seeks food;
              success comes to him in the challenge of battle,
              and for future conflicts he makes an ally. Rig Veda 10.117

              There are three kinds of persons existing in the world: one is like a drought, one who rains locally, and one who pours down everywhere.

              How is a person like a drought? He gives nothing to all alike, not giving food and drink, clothing and vehicle, flowers, scents and unguents, bed, lodging and light, neither to recluses and brahmins nor to wretched and needy beggars. In this way, a person is like a drought.

              How is a person like a local rainfall? He is a giver to some, but to others he gives not.... In this way, a person is like a local rain- fall.

              How does a person rain down everywhere? He gives to all, be they recluses and brahmins or wretched, needy beggars; he is a giver of food and drink, clothing... lodging and lights. In this way a person rains down everywhere. Buddhism. Itivuttaka 65

              When the Holy One loves a man, He sends him a present in the shape of a poor man, so that he should perform some good deed to him, through the merit of which he may draw a cord of grace. Judaism. Zohar, Genesis 104a
              One should give even from a scanty store to him who asks. Buddhism. Dhammapada 224
              He who has two coats, let him share with him who has none; and he who has food, let him do likewise. Christianity. Luke 3.11
              See to it that whoever enters your house obtains something to eat, however little you may have. Such food will be a source of death to you if you withhold it. Native American Religions. A Winnebago Father's Precepts
              Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Christianity. Hebrews 13.1

              Is that enough?  Do you get the fucking point?  It's a fundamental human responsibility to feed the poor, not "smug moral superiority."

              Join Essa in a revolt against the gods. Continue the fight, Causality.

              by rbird on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:25:47 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  Military Industrial Nightmare (1+ / 0-)
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            Add to that buying M1A1 Main Battle Tanks still against the Army's wishes... must prepare for the coming land battles against.... oh, wait.

      •  How do you know this is the best deal (2+ / 0-)
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        we could get?

        What makes you say that other than assuming that it's the best?

        Anything?

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:08:45 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  How do you know it's not? (0+ / 0-)

          I know my congresswoman goes to the wall for stuff like this.

          Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

          by anastasia p on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:54:45 AM PST

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          •  I never claimed to know that is isn't (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm just curious as to why every single time a deal comes out some people declare it the best deal we could get. Maybe if the Dems started negotiating somewhere other than in the middle we'd get a better deal. But I see no reason to think this was the best deal we could get.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:45:24 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  like the... (1+ / 0-)
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      person below you replied...shall we shut the government down over it?

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:59:27 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  LOL..... (0+ / 0-)

      .....

      "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

      by Superpole on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:09:25 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Your answers (0+ / 0-)

      1) Yes, it could have been worse

      2) No, the president isn't a dictator, although you wouldn't know that from the level of understanding of the US system on Daily Kos.

      The president is unilaterally working on raising the minimum wage paid on federal contracts. It's ok, you can still rip him on not getting minimum wage bills passed through the Republican House, because "bully pulpit."

      3) Yes, you shouldn't have sat out 2010. I said as much when you guys were commenting about how much Obama let you down and how happy you'd be if the Blue Dogs got voted out.

      You got everything you wanted. Rahm and Gibbs feel bad. The Blue Dogs are weakened. Shouldn't you be happy?

      4) How exactly would you pass bills through the House again?

      There you go, questions answered.

      Feel free to sit out 2014 again to show Obama what a terrible corporatist he is. Just please don't show up the day after the elections with an "I told you so" and then start complaining about the bills passed by the Republican House and Senate.

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:39:31 AM PST

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      •  "Yes, you shouldn't have sat out 2010." (0+ / 0-)

        Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. Progressives did not sit out 2010. You know who did sit out 2010? Obama's massive organization. And thank fucking god Obama and OfA are not going to be sitting out 2014, so we have a damn good chance of taking back the house.

        This whole "progressives did 2010" shit needs to stop. It's completely wrong and has been shown to be so again and again.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 01:37:51 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Obama's organization sat out 2010? Really? (0+ / 0-)

          I remember the diaries and the comments from 2010 saying "Obama deserves to get smacked down for what Rahm said about us." I remember the "We'd be better off with Republicans instead of Blue Dogs."

          We didn't recognize the threat of the astroturf Tea Party and we paid the price. We should have been fighting even HARDER to get Democrats elected, but we didn't. They were fired up, we weren't.

          If that's Obama's fault, then we're not political aware and we deserve to lose.

          Obama isn't our dad. We should be able to recognize a disaster coming without Obama holding our hand, because in 2010 a lot of people had already given up on Obama (actually come to think of it I remember people giving up Obama 3 weeks after the election when they saw his potential cabinet picks).

          But whatever, sit out 2014. Complain. Don't organize. It's your right as an American.

          I just don't want to hear the complaining from your side of the Democratic Party when the Republicans kick our butts again and nothing can get done.

          When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

          by PhillyJeff on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 03:53:57 PM PST

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          •  Way to change the subject back to your (0+ / 0-)

            original lie.

            Progressives did not sit out 2010. That is an outright lie. There is no proof that it's true and you can't show it's true. It's bullshit of the highest order and you're spreading it as bullshit and it's been debunked here more than once, on the front page even.

            But whatever, sit out 2014. Complain. Don't organize. It's your right as an American.
            There you go again you liar. You should be HRed for spreading these smears. Of course you won't because it's in "defense" of the party. You don't want people to criticize the party, and if they do it must be because they aren't going to vote or organize. It's fucking pathetic.

            I mean, you can't even offer evidence of the mobilization of OfA in 2010, which would have been what a reasonable response to my comment would have been. Instead you offer more smears and bullshit lies.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 04:05:06 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  This makes raising the minimum wage crucial (5+ / 0-)

    to the well-being of millions. Not that it wasn't important already.

  •  Don't worry, Obama will veto! Or not. (1+ / 0-)
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    Sad times.

    •  VETO it? (2+ / 0-)
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      That would assure that we will lose the House by an even larger margin, and the Senate as well. There are all kinds of undercurrents that I don't think some of the purity progressives here understand. Sure — he could veto it — if he wants to slit our throats. Horrible, horrible idea.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:57:39 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  We're not going to lose the house (0+ / 0-)

        OfA is mobilized this time, unlike in 2010. GOTV is the most important thing and it's in the bag.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:09:57 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  If he vetoes this and shuts down the government, (0+ / 0-)

          then it's on the Democrats. That's the GOP's wet dream.

          I get a little tired of people who think President Obama is some kind of rightwing sellout because he doesn't live up to their left-wing firebrand fantasies.

          Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

          by anastasia p on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:56:32 AM PST

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          •  Obviously he's never going to veto this (1+ / 0-)
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            So it's really beside the point. And even if he did, what, are the repubs going to run on that? I somehow doubt it.

            I get a little tired of people who think President Obama is some kind of rightwing sellout because he doesn't live up to their left-wing firebrand fantasies.
            Now not cutting food stamps is a left-wing firebrand fantasy? Or even starting a negotiation anywhere other than the middle ground?

            And when has the public ever blames the Dems for a shut down?

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:46:55 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  Why Don't They Just Draw Straws? (7+ / 0-)

    To see who lives and dies.

    So-called Democrats compromise. Democrats like us demand that people be taken care of.

    Remember, the road to victory is paved with big words and professorial arrogance. Passion need not apply.

    by The Lone Apple on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:47:44 AM PST

  •  For the life of me, I can't understand why my (5+ / 0-)

    Congresswoman , McMorris Rogers, who is going to give the GOP response tonight and has 3 children, could possibly support this. She needs to go.

  •  This is what makes me wish that those RW'ers (6+ / 0-)

    would end up on the street starving with no way of getting food or appropriate health care for a year.  

    Especially with the cold front that is happening from SE Texas to the eastern shore, they wouldn't survive it.

    How good would their conservative beliefs be when every social service closes its doors in their faces as a result of these draconian measures?

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:53:35 AM PST

  •  It's unfortunate but... (4+ / 0-)

    it's a bit naive to think that a compromise between 0 and 40 billion was going to turn out any better than 8.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:57:18 AM PST

    •  Which raises the question: (5+ / 0-)
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      Why are we starting at zero?

      "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

      by Hayate Yagami on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:34:47 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  ask Speaker Pelosi... (1+ / 0-)
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        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 12:40:28 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not sure what that has to do with anything (0+ / 0-)

          Why can't the Dems start with demanding a raise instead of no cuts? We control the presidency and the Senate and yet there's more cuts to food stamps now than when the Dems weren't in power at all.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 02:01:16 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  The House controls $ (0+ / 0-)

            "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

            by JackND on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 02:04:36 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Yes, nominally. But if they truly controlled it (0+ / 0-)

              then why would this not been cut to zero? Again, We control the presidency and the Senate and yet there's more cuts to food stamps now than when the Dems weren't in power at all. When the dems had no power there were fewer cuts.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 02:10:30 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  there is always... (1+ / 0-)
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                far more spending under GOP gov't control. Only when Dems take over do people (of both parties) get the vapors over it.

                "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

                by JackND on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 02:21:39 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

    •  The problem, as always, is the starting point. (7+ / 0-)

      If the Republicans begin with a demand of $40 billion in cuts, the Democrats should counter with a proposal for $40 billion in increases to SNAP. Then let the negotiations begin.

      ''Over the last 30 odd years, Democrats have moved to the right and the right has moved into the mental hospital."-Bill Maher

      by shoeless on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:49:30 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Hot damn. Finally, someone's making sense. (1+ / 0-)
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        Of course that's only because you aren't a corporate bought-and-paid-for democratic congresscritter bargaining away people's lives and well-being with the disingenuous attitude:"Gosh, I did the best I could.  What more do you want?  Actual negotiating on Americans' behalf?  Pfft.  That's not the job I'm bribed to do, suckahs!"  

        "I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy..." -Albert Einstein

        by socindemsclothing on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 01:02:38 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Here's my message to Andre Carson (8+ / 0-)

    -- He's one of the good ones.

    Food stamp recipients have an awful time surviving as it is, and a backroom deal that cuts another $8 billion out of food stamps is unacceptable.

    Furthermore -- food stamp money is money well spent.  It gives more to the economy than it takes away.  $5 in Food Stamps is worth $9 to the overall economy, and food stamps support Public Health.  Cutting food stamps is being penny wise and pound foolish, and no political compromise should be dabbling in it.  http://www.motherjones.com/...

    Please do not support any Farm Bill that includes any cuts to food stamps. Do not support ANY bill that cuts food stamps at all.

    And please help get the message out to all and sundry that Food Stamps are good public policy. By forcing cuts to food stamps in a political compromise, Republicans are undercutting the health and welfare of the whole country, while beating up on poor people.  We shouldn't have to stand for that.

  •  Well, the average Dem in Congress (2+ / 0-)
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    is even wealthier than the average Republican congressman. Even the most well-intended is bound to seriously f up because that person has little concept of what it is like to struggle financially. Of course, the Third Way Dems supportive of this effort are the same as Republicans, minus the social vitriol.

    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

    by pajoly on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 09:59:59 AM PST

  •  If Republicans can demand that any increase (3+ / 0-)
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    to the debt limit be matched with a corresponding budget cut, then Democrats can demand that any decrease in benefits be matched by a corresponding cut in Corporate welfare.

  •  This is just disgusting. (3+ / 0-)
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    Anybody who votes to cut food assistance to people at this time of day, well, I won't vote them.

  •  Well, Just Add this Insult (7+ / 0-)

    to the loss of UNemployment bennies to what? 1.3 million Americans?

    wow...

    "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:04:42 AM PST

  •  but I bet (9+ / 0-)

    all the subsidies to fake farmers is still in there.  

    Have a giant house on a huge property, toss a few goats on it, call it a farm, and get your free govt money.
    Have hungry kids asking for food, screw you you lazy peasant, we have no money for such things.

    I mean who can think about hungry children when we have rich fake farmers to worry about.

  •  Senators more important (5+ / 0-)

    If you have Democratic senators, contacting them is more important.  I have two good ones and have contacted both to oppose.  My junior senator, Chris Murphy, has done the food stamp diet ( a bit of a gimmick but his heart is in the right place).
    Shameful does not begin to describe this action.  Not his, of course, the "compromisers."  Once again, all compromise is on GOP frame.  Sometimes I wonder where the heck these Dems learned about negotiation, then I remember: Wall Street.

  •  Democrats appear powerless to fight for us (5+ / 0-)

    against austerity.

    Reduce it, sure. Fight against it. I guess not.

    That has been proven time and again over the past couple of years. Just not up to the the task. No matter what, the GOP is gonna get some of what it wants, and people will suffer, because the Dems gotta let them have some austerity.

    just tired of this same old crap. Not buying the we're helpless against the GOP shit, anymore.

    Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

    by greenbastard on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:11:52 AM PST

  •  A two day general strike would illustrate (4+ / 0-)

    our immense displeasure at this supreme insult to the 99%.

    It's time we stopped being nice little girls and boys and showed them who's boss of this country.

    If they cut food stamps, we cut their profits.  Easy peasy.

    She told me I could choose anyone I wanted to help me save the planet, so naturally, I chose you.

    by Lavender Menace on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:23:46 AM PST

  •  Fucking R and D American politicians (1+ / 0-)
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    With the Right in control, people just get destroyed like those in the path of a tsunami.

    When there are Dems there to act as a theoretical balance, we instead merely get people destroyed by slow water-boarding.

    People are destroyed just the same.

    For every Elizabeth Warren, there are 50 others will to see you and your family starve to death. It is becoming us versus them.

    Back in 2008 people went to the polls in droves because we believed justice was possible. Subsequently, we learned our vote is really largely symbolic -- something we feared was true, was made crystal clear.

    Keep this up and the People will be left with the only solution available forced upon people throughout the ages to return justice to the people and it won't be so tidy as the solutions the elite might have accepted.

    I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

    by pajoly on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:33:03 AM PST

    •  Agreed! (0+ / 0-)

      but 2008 was still worth it.  Unfortunately, people did not go to the polls in 2010, and all Republicans are evil fucking criminals.

    •  Vote Green? (1+ / 0-)
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      I know you had something gorier in mind, but, in all honesty, I'm having a hard time understanding why there hasn't already been a mass exodus from the dem party.

      "I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy..." -Albert Einstein

      by socindemsclothing on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 01:14:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'd happily start with a national strike (0+ / 0-)

        or mass rallies silently marching in protest of inequality.

        I'd support morally protestors taking direct action that harms economic interests of select one percenters, like blockading Koch Industries sites.

        There will be a day when poor elderly folks with nothing left to lose lead mass marches and we will treated to masked government, thugs in war gear beating and spraying senior citizens. But I fear even then the mass media will be supportive of the State and will label the hungry and poor as anarchists like they did OWS protestors.

        I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. - Susan B. Anthony

        by pajoly on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 01:43:58 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  How About A Dem-Based Compromise for once (6+ / 0-)

    I hate the way Republicans always demand large cuts in public assistance and when Dems. agree to smaller cuts, our side declares a "bipartisan" victory.  Just once I would like to see Dems. ask for large increases in public assistance and then agree to a smaller increase in the end.  That's a bipartisan compromise worth celebrating.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 10:34:43 AM PST

  •  Saving a measly $9 billion (1+ / 0-)
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    and making another million people go hungry?

    WTF is going on?

    This proves that we no longer live in a civilized society.

    This is the one issue -- hunger -- that makes me crazy enough to give up on peaceful change.

  •  Progressive Caucus (5+ / 0-)

    I just read that Grijalva and the heads of the Progressive Caucus are whipping against it. Good for them.

  •  What's the point of this? (0+ / 0-)

    This reduces food stamp spending by 1%, and does so by eliminating a "heat and eat" loophole that allows states to give people as little as $1 in heating assistance and use this to gain higher food stamps, so it's everyone's way of saying that they got something... Extending unemployment insurance seems like a higher priority to me, and I hope they still work something out on this.

  •  Shazaam! (2+ / 0-)
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    Uncle Ebenezer Sam will not be happy until he starves the poor into the ground.  He won't see to it that there are jobs, but he will see to it that there is not enough food.

    Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, it gets worse.

    He certainly deserves the Kratschitz Annual Low Achievers Award for 2014 just as he did in 2013.  

    "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness," Allen Ginsberg

    by Hermenutic on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 11:08:35 AM PST

  •  reality (2+ / 0-)
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    'tell my Congressman' not to cut SNAP ...

    'My' Congressman is Raoul Labrador, who appears to be somewhat to the right of the late Francisco Franco. I'd get more of a response talking to my apple tree, which does at least bear fruit in the fall. Labrador doesn't bear fruit ... he cuts down the tree.

  •  Say that means that Food Producers and those that (2+ / 0-)
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    sell Food to people also got screwed out of all that Money by this cruel act on those in need.

  •  Another thought: (1+ / 0-)
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    Compromises like these are why Dems cannot be friends with the GOP.  Deal with the Republicans, you get screwed six ways to Sunday.  Hadn't the long time Dems learned this lesson?  Haven't the LW folks witnessed this crap first hand?

    How many times must a Dem shake the hand of a GOP person after receiving a swift kick to the behind?

    We can't take this anymore.  It's not productive as a party.  We've got to stand our ground when it comes to the people in this country.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 01:06:58 PM PST

  •  For Progressives to have an impact, they need to (1+ / 0-)
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    have their own coherent vision of the future.  That goes beyond reacting to the latest reactionary rightwing injustice. It means acting, not reacting.

    This measure hasn't even been explained to the public. It might catch your attention if you knew that the benefits paid in 16 states + DC are targeted by the bill.

    Specifically, SNAP is linked to the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program for determining food stamps eligibility.
    The way that LIHEAP assistance was paid in 16 states + DC
    left room for Republicans to cry foul about the payment of
    SNAP benefits in those states. Here's the list:

    California
    Connecticut
    Delaware
    District of Columbia
    Maine
    Massachusetts
    Michigan
    Montana
    New Hampshire
    New Jersey
    New York
    Oregon
    Pennsylvania
    Rhode Island
    Vermont
    Washington
    Wisconsin

    I posted a diary about this morning for those who want to understand what's at issue. The cuts were proposed for the sake of addressing a 'problem' that may not even exist.

    Look at the list of states and you can see what Republicans get out of this charade.

    What do Democrats get? I'm not sure. I don't know everything but I do know that there's always more to a story than what your so-called free press tells you.

    There is no existence without doubt.

    by Mark Lippman on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 01:51:13 PM PST

  •  SNAP and Junk Food (0+ / 0-)

    I would feel worse if I didn't just witness a SNAP recipient buy Snapple drinks and other junk food with her $200 benefit  as I sat behind her in line.   Why am I paying for her to eat potato chips and doughnuts?    Why can't we just go to WIC standards so only healthy foods can be bought?  

    •  And how were you able to determine that the (0+ / 0-)

      items were paid for with food stamps or the amount of the person's benefit? SNAP beneficiaries have a right to privacy and the program has features that make it difficult for a casual observer to know that benefits are being used.

      There is no existence without doubt.

      by Mark Lippman on Tue Jan 28, 2014 at 07:32:03 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Nice that you've let the rightwing divide and (0+ / 0-)

      conquer so effectively.  Keep hating those down on their luck.  More than likely you're actually paying for the caviar and champagne of the wealthy moreso than you are the benefits to the poor, especially if you shop at Walmart.  And how did you know she had a $200 benefit?  

      Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

      by judyms9 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 02:38:39 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Scared. (0+ / 0-)

    That's all I have to say for now, as I can't make it without SNAP. I can't work.

  •  To the battlements! (0+ / 0-)

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 02:39:54 PM PST

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