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Sen. Mark Pryor (D-WM)

Will conservative Democrats never learn? Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) is facing a tough re-election battle in Arkansas, which is both a low-income state and the home of Walmart. So what position is he taking when it comes to raising the minimum wage, which would pull many of his constituents out of poverty but require Walmart to pay higher wages? If you guessed "he'd find a way to be mealymouthed and spineless," give yourself a gold star.

On the one hand, Pryor kinda sorta supports a state ballot initiative that would raise the Arkansas minimum wage to a whopping $8.50 an hour over three years. (The state currently has a $6.25 minimum wage on the books, below the federal level, so that's the initiative's starting point.) On the other hand, Pryor opposes raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10:

“I know $10.10 still isn’t a whole lot of money, but I think it’s too much, too fast,” Pryor, who is seeking a third Senate term, said in an interview at the Capitol. “I’m not supportive of that.”
Seriously. It's not much, but it's too much for the poors, apparently. That's $21,000 a year for a full-time worker, enough to get a family of three out of poverty, but leaving them well within food stamp eligibility.

Meanwhile, 52 percent of Arkansas voters support raising the minimum wage to $10 while just 38 percent are opposed, according to a Public Policy Polling poll, with 47 percent saying they'd be more likely to vote for a candidate who supported raising the minimum wage. Maybe that's why Pryor went way out on a limb to say raising the state minimum wage all the way to $8.50 over three years is "a pretty reasonable approach." But he should look at another question in that poll: 73 percent agreed with the statement that "Someone who works full-time should be paid enough to keep them out of poverty." That's your winning argument, and it points to a wage well above $8.50. Except that apparently Walmart's money (they're Pryor's sixth-largest campaign donor) speaks more loudly—and Pryor doesn't seem to get that being Walmart's lapdog won't make them go to bat for him over a Republican.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:05 AM PST.

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  •  Another loser like Blanche Lincoln. (27+ / 0-)

    I think we focus on La., Ga., Ky., NC, Montana and Alaska.  

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:10:11 AM PST

    •  Pryor dead man walking.... (15+ / 0-)

      Pryor's numbers are terrible and he is going to lose to Cotton (R).

      Time for Democratic Party to throw him overboard as dead weight and concentrate on winnable races.

      •  He's just scared of Wal Mart/Waltons, no? (9+ / 0-)

        Didn't the head of Wal Mart just come out against minimum wage rise?

        My question: how about making a legal ratio between what the CEO or top administrator of a company makes and the average salary of its employees?

        It used to be somewhat reasonable, but now I believe it's something like 3000:1. What would the world look like if either the superrich had a salary cut or had to raise the wages of employees?

        •  Corporate servants also most Democrats (5+ / 0-)

          Lets not forget that Hillary Clinton is also beholden to the Walton family. Why do so many people rally around for someone who is a huge part of the problem in government. Have not we learned anything from President Obama ? Just because you call yourself a Democrat does not mean your progressive. Let's find a truly progressive candidate to be the next POTUS.

          •  Sure... (2+ / 0-)

            and then you realize that a real progressive can't win a Democratic nomination much get elected.  It will be McGovern and Mondale all over again if a corporate candidate who panders to the Republicans doesn't win the nomination (re: Hillary) and then it's really just Republican-lite again.  Just keepin' it real here.

            •  Can't *realize* the afactual. (2+ / 0-)

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:22:08 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Wait. (5+ / 0-)

                ...you'll see.  Progressives are the minority in America (however I wish it were otherwise or we on KOS would like to believe otherwise).  Establishment Democrats do little more than pander to the Right and serve the same corporate interests---and they are the only ones that can be President because we are so far to the Right as a nation.  While I might prefer Senator Warren or Sanders be nominated for the Presidency, it's not going to happen.

                More to the point, Pryor is just saying what he thinks he needs to because he's scared and is likely to lose, being a Democrate in a regressive, red State is to be an underdog, and he thinks he needs to say whatever he can to stand even the slightest chance at reelection.  Sure, it's better if he's reelected than some wing nut Republican (that's a redundancy) but I wouldn't put a dime on that bet and the country isn't moving forward with the likes of Pryor or his Republican opponent.  Real progressivism stands no serious chance.

                •  Many who should support the left support the (2+ / 0-)
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                  right, crying that we, as a nation are too far to the right to do anything else. To what extent do they make it so? This approach is a self fulfilling prophesy. If one never steps over the imaginary line, it is a de facto truth that nobody ever does, but that is not because nobody can. Now and then a moderate or liberal Dem wins in a so called red distraic/state and folks are surprised, but immediately forget.

                  As is so typical of the Dems, in 2010 a buncha blue dogs moved even further to the right, folks like Blanche Lincoln, and lost. Why doesn't anybody get that? Myths spread by those who would like to see contests solely between the right and the far right.

                  That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                  by enhydra lutris on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 06:13:22 PM PST

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                  •  While I agree with you to a point... (1+ / 0-)
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                    I also live in rural Arkansas. So I live with the reality on a daily basis. There are a few die-hard liberals here, but not enough to make much of a dent in the teabag machine - and our state legislature is firmly in their grip.

                    Gawd, gunz, and gutz rule here - sadly.

                    And why do I live here? Because we can afford to have a nice place, 20 acres, etc. here. Try that in a blue state.

            •  Voters memories are short lived... (0+ / 0-)

              The progressives losing in general election leads to regressives screwing up in office followed by moderates getting elected again.

              But unfortunately voters forget and go back to the same idiots who brought the country down.

              Example. McGovern's loss was followed by Nixon's watergate, leading to Carter getting elected.

              Mondale's loss followed by Reagan/GHWB's failure on the economy and Bill Clinton was rewarded.

          •  and then they want to blame the voters (4+ / 0-)

            for not bothering to vote.

            Voters will turn out for real Democrats, if the Democratic politicians are not afraid to get real about being a Democrat.

            don't always believe what you think

            by claude on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 12:42:05 PM PST

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        •  not a bad idea...really... (2+ / 0-)
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          "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

          by tuma on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:52:25 AM PST

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        •  MyMy - I don't think the federal government (2+ / 0-)

          can legally create such a ratio. What would be the regulation, or statute, that would give the federal government a legal basis upon which to create such a law?

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:38:20 PM PST

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          •  Something I read somewhere about (2+ / 0-)
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            "promote the common welfare".

            •  You have to do better than that (1+ / 0-)
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              Promote the general welfare isn't a catch-all. The federal government has enumerated, not unlimited, powers. There has been a very interesting debate among constitutional scholars over the "General Welfare clause" starting in the confirmation process as the Constitution was debated in the states. The consensus is that the SCOTUS has never accepted it as the sole authority for action by the federal government, but rather more in the context of a "do no harm" proclamation. I don't see how under our Constitution the federal government could create such a ratio. One of the European countries is implementing something similar, but they are working with a different constitution.

              One of the many unfortunate fall outs of how the SEC requires reporting executive compensation is that the total compensation number companies use in their proxy statements, and report to the public, is assumed to be salary or cash. Typically about 10-20% of the reported number is cash, and nearly all the rest is stock options which could be worth a lot more than the estimate or zero depending on the appreciation of the stock. I wish the SEC would require, or even allow, a second schedule that was cash based so people could see how much actual cash the CEO was being paid each year.  

              In any event the only possible way to impose such a restriction would be to require it for public companies (although I still don't see how) which would be a boon to the private equity industry.  The line for public companies to go private would be farther than the eye could see. I think there is a benefit to having more companies public, where the SEC requires significant transparency. Private companies live under the radar.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:37:42 PM PST

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              •  You may be right - (0+ / 0-)

                it may be something the states would have to do. Although we have seen some astounding stretches of the powers of the Federal government, something that directly threatened the ultra-wealthy would obviously get shot down by the courts on the flimsiest of pretexts.

                Or the people themselves. At this point, with corporations, which are entirely a creation of the law, being elevated to the status of persons, the idea of a Constitutional Amendment that reins in the power of corporations is anything but far-fetched.

                •  It probably is something the states could do (0+ / 0-)

                  but why would they ever drive companies out of their states? Delaware is the state of incorporation of about half the public companies in the US. This is actually a great convenience for companies because all US lawyers know corporate law in their state and in Delaware so using Delaware law is convenient. Delaware would never put the entire industry they have developed in jeopardy by proposing things like wage caps for CEOs.

                  In the US corporations have not yet been elevated to the status of "human persons" (although many people here seem to erroneously think so) but I understand the trend, concern, and the desire to reign in the legal status of corporations.

                  "let's talk about that"

                  by VClib on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 05:41:07 PM PST

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          •  enumerated power (0+ / 0-)
            I don't think the federal government can legally create such a ratio. What would be the regulation, or statute, that would give the federal government a legal basis upon which to create such a law?
            The combined effect of two Constitutional Clauses: the Commerce Clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3) and the Necessary and Proper Clause (Section 8, Clause 18).

            The businesses this law would apply to -- those with CEO's making tens to thousands of times what their lowest-paid workers get -- are, by nature, interstate. NO single state -- not even California or New York -- can generate commerce of the size we're talking about.

            In addition, as dependent as Wally Weird is on cheap imported crap from China, this calls the Commerce Clause into play for a second time.

            "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

            by thanatokephaloides on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:06:17 PM PST

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            •  But the commerce clause isn't a grab bag either (2+ / 0-)
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              and the SCOTUS has been reigning in the Commerce Clause, most recently in their ruling on the ACA. This would be an unprecedented intrusion into the governance of corporations where the federal government has no standing. Corporations are not incorporated nationally, but in individual states. If you think it would reduce executive compensation, it would even have a negative revenue effect on the US Treasury. If some legislators tried to do this I think they would initially try with public companies. It's inconceivable to me how the federal government could legally implement such a rule in a private company. If I owned a company how could the federal government tell me how much I could pay the CEO? It would certainly lead to a stampede of companies going private. That would be good for private equity funds.

              In my view the correct public policy response is to increase marginal tax rates for all high income earners, not just corporate CEOs.

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 04:11:45 PM PST

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              •  constitutional basis (1+ / 0-)
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                But the commerce clause isn't a grab bag either and the SCOTUS has been reigning in the Commerce Clause, most recently in their ruling on the ACA.

                [...]

                In my view the correct public policy response is to increase marginal tax rates for all high income earners, not just corporate CEOs.

                I wasn't intending to (necessarily) state that the idea was the best address for the problem; rather, I was trying to simply answer a question which had been incorrectly answered. The "general welfare" clause of the Preamble, like the rest of the Preamble itself, has no force of law. Only the Constitution proper (including its duly passed Amendments) has that force. In other words, the Preamble explains why the Constitution was enacted, but isn't part of the enacted item itself. The Commerce and Necessary and Proper Clauses, on the other hand, are part of the Constitution proper, and have the full force of law.

                Now, to your view expressed above: I agree with you on this. It would solve the expressed problem while closing major loopholes which those who are now overpaid CEOs would abuse to escape the proposed reforms.

                "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

                by thanatokephaloides on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:48:55 PM PST

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        •  Walmart seems to be a bit mixed (3+ / 0-)

          on this matter.

          On the one hand, they do actually pay more than the Arkansas minimum, and a minimum wage around $10.10 wouldn't cost Walmart much, if anything. They do, however, oppose any regulation because reasons.

          On the other hand, Walmart is finally understanding that there are just too many people who are becoming too poor to shop in their stores, and that's bad for business.

          Walmart understands that a great deal of any pay rise for the poor will find its way straight to the checkouts in Walmart stores, but they will have to swallow on their knee-jerk response to raising wages.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          Who is twigg?

          by twigg on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:38:57 AM PST

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          •  The only good thing about cutting food stamps (0+ / 0-)

            is that Walmart is now feeling the loss. Their stock is actually down. When the poor are too poor to even shop there at all (including their own employees who get food stamps) then maybe they will see the wisdom of raising their pay.

            I love the way the right is claiming that income equaiity is about people wanting to be paid huge amounts of money. It isn't. Every person who takes a minimum wage job understands that they are paid according to their worth as an employee. All raising the minimum wage is about is a cost of living increase. But if you read business publications they claim it is about "class-envy" which is total BS. Wanting to be able to eat and have a roof over your head IS NOT "class-envy"

            •  Stocking, too (0+ / 0-)

              Walmart is even cutting help. Their shelves are more and more bare because they don't have enough stock help. You go in and can't find stuff half the time.

              But they had enough money to do a billion dollar stock buyback, which boosted the stock value of the Walton family stock.

        •  Minimum wage (0+ / 0-)

          How about indexing the minimum wage to the Congressional salary?  They raise their salary, which they will probably continue to do, the minimum wage gets increased by the same %. They don't raise their salary because...gee it would have repercussions ...hmm.  That doesn't  look too good either. This may not be the perfect solution but we need to be creative here to move people in states like Arkansas to have a better set of "elected leaders" in D.C.

      •  W-M's a big donor, but what did they give Cotton? (0+ / 0-)

        Good chance that WM is contributing to both sides.  Unless Pryor intends to take that contribution money home with him, it will do him no good.  All the TV ad money in the world won't convince the underpaid to vote for him if he is voting against them.

      •  So the GOP takes over the Senate? (0+ / 0-)

        Is that what you want?  He may not personally support minimum wage increases, but if the Senate stays Dem and the House can be flipped, the OTHER Dems will make sure it gets passed.  If either (or worse, BOTH) chambers are under GOP control, there will be NO CHANCE on minimum wage or any OTHER ISSUES to help the people.

        The worst Democrat is better, right now, than the best Republican in Congress.

    •  23 Dem senators still haven't signed onto increase (12+ / 0-)

      including the ML, as per this superb diary.  That's over 40% of the caucus.

      The problem isn't merely w/ 1 DINO seeking re-election who doesn't want to alienate his state's economic behemoth--it's w/ 22 other Dem senators, too.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:11:24 AM PST

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    •  For any progress in this nation TERM LIMITS (1+ / 0-)
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      are a MUST.
      -Why is Pryor kissing up to WM? because he needs money  for campaigns now and the in future...yep! the future...and therein lies the root of the evils of Washington...career-politics.
      -Just imagine if all he had was one term to serve?
      -He would do the right ...because that's it, he is going back home. Owes no loyalties or allegiances to anybody.

      “I know $10.10 still isn’t a whole lot of money, but I think it’s too much, too fast,” Pryor, who is seeking a third Senate term, said in an interview at the Capitol. “I’m not supportive of that.”

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

      by tuma on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:51:32 AM PST

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    •  Tell me again why it is the voters' fault (1+ / 0-)
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      tardis10

      for not showing up to vote, Kos?

      don't always believe what you think

      by claude on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 12:38:42 PM PST

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    •  Too much? Too fast? (2+ / 0-)
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      thanatokephaloides, travelerxxx

      This is an increase of than $2 an more an hour.  For a full-time worker, that means less than $80 more a week.  That's too much, too fast?

      This is coming from a guy who's annual pay as a senator has increased by almost $20,000 in the time he's been in the Senate.

  •  I saw this news item.. (13+ / 0-)

    It shows the influence corporate money has. Why do some Democrats oppose legislation that would help many people especially when that legislation has public support?  I really don't think it helps them win elections.

    •  It helps them win elections because it gets (10+ / 0-)

      them the big money donations, which then enables them to plaster the airwaves with misleading ads convincing the voters that they'll be helping them.

    •  Because they are ideologically against such (1+ / 0-)
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      policies. They are real conservatives - from Pryor's website
      http://www.pryor.senate.gov/...

      anti-environmental protection (one of 2 examples)
      Home / Newsroom / Press Releases
      Feb 04 2014
      Pryor Joins Bipartisan, Bicameral Group of Legislators, Labor, Business, National Security Leaders to Call for Approval of Keystone XL Pipeline

      against separation of state and supportive of "xtian nation" type horsecrap
      Home / Newsroom / Press Releases
      Feb 05 2014
      Pryor Invites Arkansans to Join Him at National Prayer Breakfast

      Pryor Invites Arkansans to Join Him at National Prayer Breakfast

      WASHINGTON – Tomorrow, U.S. Senator Mark Pryor will join over 3,000 guests representing every state and over 140 countries at the 62nd Annual National Prayer Breakfast. Joining Pryor at the event will be two Arkansans, Bishop Jewel R. Withers, Jr. of Williams Temple Church of God in Christ in Little Rock and Father Tom Elliot of Immaculate Conception Catholic Church in North Little Rock.

      “In the book of Proverbs, it says ‘iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another.’ Yet all too often in Congress individuals are focusing on our differences, instead of finding common ground so we can move our country forward” Pryor said. “Coming together for events like the National Prayer Breakfast reminds us that if we work together in a spirit of fellowship and unity we can strengthen our nation. I’m honored to share this experience with these respected leaders from our state’s faith community.”

      During his time in the Senate, Pryor has been a regular participant of the Senate Prayer Breakfast and has served as Co-Chair of the National Pryor Breakfast.

      etc.

      Yet another Arkansas Third Way New Democrat. Maybe he wants to be president so he too can repeal some onerous banking regs.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:28:48 PM PST

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      •  I don't know where you are from.... (1+ / 0-)
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        but NO one will ever be elected dog-catcher in Arkansas unless they are very actively Xtian. I'd run for office myself, but being ethical, couldn't bring myself to lie about my atheism. A lot of folks here think Pryor doesn't go nearly far enough in the fundy direction.

        BTW, the National Prayer Breakfast is run by "The Family", and HRC has been deeply involved with them, and is quite close to Doug Coe for years. Pryor is not some sort of "rogue" Democrat - he's just a typical one.

    •  Maybe because a "living wage" is a better idea (1+ / 0-)
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      thanatokephaloides

      Maybe a mandatory across-the-board minimum wage isn't going to work for everyone. Why couldn't a wage floor be set based upon cost of living in the area?

      10 bucks an hour isn't going to cut it in NYC or Seattle, but it would be huge in, say Mississippi - or Arkansas. $8.50 in Arkansas would actually be pretty reasonable, based on our cost of living. (Though $10 would be really nice.)

  •  What's been "too much, too fast" is the shrinking (24+ / 0-)

    value of the minimum wage. In 1996 dollars, today's rate is $4.87.

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:12:38 AM PST

  •  Nothing like helping the GOP (1+ / 0-)
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    retake the senate by bashing an embattled Democrat.

  •  seems like (12+ / 0-)

    the dems would listen to Rachel that being for a minimum wage increase is a winning strategy but that would mean he would have to go against his lord and masters - walmart

    It would be interesting to know how much they have contributed to his campaign (ahem point of view)

  •  Can I SuperSize that for you Sir? (3+ / 0-)
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  •  This is (10+ / 0-)

    sadly, a new state of mind for far too many Dems.  We have a city council here in San Jose that has 9 Dems, sadly only 5 of them supported our recent ballot measure that raised minimum wage to 10 with an index for inflation.  

    The argument is always the same, we will lose jobs.  We do lose some jobs, and I wish there was a way to help small business folks absorb the costs better, on the other hand we end up requiring the major employers like Target to pay their thousands of workers more.

    We lose 100 jobs, gain tens of thousands of jobs that pay people more......I may not be a math wiz but it seems to me that that is a win not a loss.

  •  This is politics, not policy. (11+ / 0-)

    Here's the deal.  $10.10 has no chance of happening this year.  Nada.  Zero.  Not going to get through the House.  

    Right now, the best use of Democrats' time is to make every effort to keep the Senate.  

    So, Mark Pryor looks at his state, looks at his record of voting with the President, looks at the President's 35% approval rating in Arkansas, and realizes that to win re-election this fall, he needs to put some distance between himself and the President -- and since he can't do so with respect to the ACA (since he voted for it) he's going to have to take whatever other opportunities he has this year to let the voters know that, even though he's a Democrat, he can be "independent" from the President's proposed policies when he needs to. This certainly wouldn't play in New York, but that is what he needs to do to win re-election in Arkansas. This is an opportunity to do that.

    Frankly, I would not be at all surprised if the party leaders ok'd this for him.  They are not stupid -- they know that the minimum wage is going nowhere this year, so if Pryor can use the issue to help him get re-elected, they would probably say go for it.    

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Sen. Landrieu doing something similar on one or two high profile issues this year.  

    •  Ever wonder why so many don't bother (8+ / 0-)

      to vote? I don't.

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:32:07 AM PST

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      •  No, if they voted he could demand a min wage (1+ / 0-)
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        for them, chicken and egg question but he knows in midterms the poor people don't vote

        "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

        by merrywidow on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:35:50 AM PST

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      •  It's about playing to your audience. (7+ / 0-)

        when the President has a 35% approval rating in your state, and you are a Democrat, you are not going to get re-elected by playing to the Democratic base.  I know people here think that if Democrats everywhere would stick to progressive principles, they'd win.  That may well be true in blue states.  That's NOT true in red states like here in Louisiana.  

        I will tell you that the reason that Mary Landrieu keeps getting re-elected is that the business community, and the oil and gas industry (which is huge here, and employs a lot of people, not only in oil companies but also in oilfield service companies) have never come out strongly against her.  If LABI (the Louisiana Association of Business and Industry comes out against her big time, she's toast.  So, you absolutely will see her going against progressive principles at times, especially in the energy area, and especially this year when she's up for re-election.  

        For some states, your choices are between (1) a Democrat like Landrieu or Pryor; or (2) a Republican.  A progressive Democrat is not an option in the foreseeable future in areas like Louisiana or Arkansas.  

        •  Yes,the audience leaves the (3+ / 0-)

          building. We all know this and the entrenched and corrupt know this as well.
             

          "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

          by tardis10 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:00:29 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  More than half of America wants $10.10 (4+ / 0-)

          Fortunately, at this point in time, they're also still allowed to vote.

          Voters rule.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:13:59 AM PST

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          •  He's exactly in line with Arkansas on the (2+ / 0-)
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            minimum wage.  

            See here.

            They support raising it to $8.50 with indexing to inflation.

            •  Standard Republican fallacy in argument (4+ / 0-)

              Supporting a raise to 8.50

              DOES NOT EQUAL

              Opposing a raise to 10.10

              Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

              by Big River Bandido on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:38:14 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Do you have a poll that shows they support (1+ / 0-)
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                $10.10?  

                Otherwise, you have these two options.

                1.  $8.50, which you know his voters support.

                2.  $10.10, which is what the President wants but for which he has no data (unless you've seen a poll?) that says his voters support it.  .  

                •  Um, the diarist included this very poll (2+ / 0-)
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                  Maybe you should read a diary before commenting on it.  It includes very prominently, a link to this poll.  

                  The diarist also very clearly noted in the text of the diary that 52 percent of Arkansas voters favor an increase to $10.10.  

                  But then, you don't seem to be here seeking information.

                  Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

                  by Big River Bandido on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:30:23 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Are there any similar polls, not sponsored by (2+ / 0-)
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                    an advocacy group, that show the same data?

                    "let's talk about that"

                    by VClib on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 06:52:00 PM PST

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                    •  You are grasping at straws, and it's pathetic (0+ / 0-)

                      Public Policy Polling (PPP) is not an advocacy group, it's a polling firm.  One of the most accurate, in fact.  Yes, it's a Democratic polling firm...most firms do tend to take one side of the "aisle".  Most of the successful firms these days are Democratic polling firms...reality, you may have heard, has a liberal bias.  And the Republican firms pretty well crapped last time.

                      Since you didn't read the diarist's link and since you don't trust "Democratic" polling firms even though this is supposedly a Democratic site — their question on this issue was about as straightforward as could possibly be.  So were the results:

                      Q3 Would you support or oppose raising the
                      minimum wage from $7.25 an hour to $10 an
                      hour?

                      Support ........................................................... 52%
                      Oppose ............................................................ 38%
                      Not sure .......................................................... 10%

                      In other words, you're jumping in the tank for a politician who is seriously bucking his own constituents, who favor an increase in the minimum wage by 14 percentage points.  It's not even a contest.

                      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

                      by Big River Bandido on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 03:27:02 AM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  The poll was sponsored by (1+ / 0-)
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                        Americans United for Change and done by a Democratic polling group. I just wanted to know if there was additional polling data sponsored by the media and done by any of the non-affiliated polling services and, if so, how it compared to this poll? If this is the only poll available it's a single data point, but certainly not definitive.

                        My question was a reasonable one and I don't understand your hostile tone.  

                        "let's talk about that"

                        by VClib on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 07:35:18 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Even "media polls" use private firms (0+ / 0-)

                          and nearly all private firms are either "aligned" with one party or another;  it's not easy to find conservative polling firms interested in polling questions on, for example, the minimum wage.  Conservative voters don't want to hear about it, and conservative polling organizations don't want to even be seen raising the issue.

                          My "hostile tone", as you call it, is a combination of anger and bewilderment that there are people who call themselves Democrats but see fit to stick it to working people, yet again.  On a "Democratic" site, no less.  

                          Frankly, no one who opposes a minimum wage increase today has any business in the Democratic Party.  They should go to the Republicans, where they'll fit right in shitting on Democratic and progressive values.  

                          You have a nice day.

                          Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

                          by Big River Bandido on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 11:31:03 AM PST

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                          •  BRB - I support the increase of the minimum (1+ / 0-)
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                            wage to $10.10 using stair steps over the next few years. I never stated or inferred that I didn't favor raising the minimum wage. I have stated many times, in my comments here at DKOS, that I do favor increasing the minimum wage. I don't favor raising the minimum wage to $15/hr because we have no data on how the employment market would react to a more than 100% increase. It has never happened before and I do think that a dramatic increase will lead to a more rapid substitution of automation for labor.

                            "let's talk about that"

                            by VClib on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 02:33:50 PM PST

                            [ Parent ]

        •  Hey, worked for Blanche Lincoln, right? (1+ / 0-)
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          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:43:14 PM PST

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        •  Louisiana is pretty (2+ / 0-)
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          different from Arkansas at this point. I completely agree with you about Landrieu. The swing voters are southern Democrats.

          That is not true in Arkansas - it may have been more true 10-20 years ago or more. Over 90% of Arkansas voters fail to declare a party when they register. This doesn't mean they are independent of course, but it's very different than Louisiana at 47% Democratic and 28% Republican.

          The swing voters in Arkansas are mostly the rural poor, more Appalachia type voters. I will grant that one approach is to distance himself from the President however he can. But doing so by opposing something that my guess would be the most important swing voters support by a larger margin than the state as a whole is likely not a winning strategy.

          Given that, it doesn't make sense to me to be silent in the interests of protecting the majority, not in this case.

          Want a progressive global warming novel, not a right wing rant? Go to www.edwardgtalbot.com and check out New World Orders

          by eparrot on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:27:16 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Except (10+ / 0-)

      that taking the Republican Lite strategy rarely works.
      Being opposed to a $10.10 minimum wage doesn't neutralize any of the opposition. It won't make the Koch brothers give up and go somewhere else. All it does is depress enthusiasm among the base.

      Pryor has a much better chance in a state like Arkansas if he takes the populist road and concentrates on turning out the black vote, which is essential for Democratic chances throughout the South.

    •  But the people want this, not allowing a vote (0+ / 0-)

      by the house is the tyranny they are always complaining about

      americans elected a house of reps but they are not allowed to vote

      "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

      by merrywidow on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:35:01 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  While he is doing WalMart's bidding... (5+ / 0-)
      ...(snip...)...he needs to put some distance between himself and the President...(...snip)... --  coffeetalk
      Progressive and...other clear thinking voters in his state will just stay at home and...NOT vote for him.  If, he is not gonna be much different than the repugnut g.NO.p candidate...then why should they vote for his dumb asssss.

      Voters are smarter than he gives them credit...they know he "...is bought and paid for...", lazy (unwilling to forego the money bucket rather than work harder for independent contributions.

      Voters will remember and understand:
      ...that the senator form WalMart is really voting ...(snip...)...to get a family of three out of poverty, but leaving them well within food stamp eligibility...(snip...)... -- Laura Clawson

      Senator Pryor is toast and...either does not know it or does not care.

      I am General Maximus Decimus Meridius. Father of a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife and...I shall have my vengeance in this life or the next.

      by 2questions on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:58:00 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  He won't win if he caters to the progressive vote (4+ / 0-)
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        there aren't enough progressives in Arkansas.  

        The President has a 35% approval rating there.  

        He will get killed if he takes a progressive position on everything.  He has a chance of re-election if he takes a position of "I vote with the President when I agree with him, but I'm also independent from the President on some issues."  

        Arkansas is NOT New York.  His only chance is to run as a moderate, independent Democrat.  A true progressive, like Elizabeth Warren, would lose in a landslide in Arkansas, or Louisiana.  

        Would you prefer a moderate Democrat, or a right-wing Republican?  Because those are your options in a state-wide election in Arkansas.  A progressive like Senator Warren cannot win in a state-wide election in Arkansas no matter how much you wish it were otherwise.  

    •  Which leads to... (8+ / 0-)

      Average voter: "Gosh, even Pryor thinks the Democrat proposal sucks!  I'm voting Republican!"

      Yeah, there's a winning strategy!

      •  No, here's the only possible winning strategy. (3+ / 0-)
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        (It's how Mary Landrieu has done it since 1966).

        Yes, I'm a Democrat.  But I'm a reasonable [in the eyes of Arkansas voters] Democrat.  I'll vote with the President on some things, but when I disagree, I'll vote the way I think is right.  See, I disagreed on [this issue and this issue] and I didn't vote the way the President wanted.  And I can work with business -- see, I did [this and this[ that was business friendly.

        Now, the Republicans have nominated a right-wing crazy person.  I know you usually like Republicans, but you want a sane person, and my opponent is a right wing nut.

        For a story of how that particular strategy won, see Landrieu v. Jenkins and Landrieu v Terrell.  She didn't even have to call John Kennedy a "right wing nut" to defeat him -- because here in Louisiana, she's viewed as a business-friendly, oil and gas friendly, moderate.  It's the only way she's kept her seat.  

        That's what the bottom line is when you are talking about a very red state.  

        Again, electing an Elizabeth Warren progressive is not an option in a state wide-election in states like Arkansas or Louisiana.  If that's who Democrats run, the end result will be a Republican Senator.  

        •  Raising The Minimum Wage Is Popular Among All (6+ / 0-)

          kinds of voters - GOP, Independents, and Democrats.

          On minimum wage, voters support raising the federally mandated minimum, 72 percent to 27 percent, including a majority of Republicans, who support it 52 percent to 45 percent, according to a Quinnipiac poll out Wednesday.
          http://www.politico.com/...
          •  So, what issue do you think he should use (1+ / 0-)
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            VClib

            to distance himself from the President?

            His only chance of winning is if he can distance himself from the President that has a 35% approval rating in his state.

            And by "distance" I mean take a position to the right of the President.  Progressives won't like that, of course, but Pryor has got to make clear that he's willing to be to the right of the President on some issues, or he will lose.  This is NOT a state where a good turnout among the progressive base can carry a state-wide election.  

            What high profile issues, if not this one, should he use to show voters that he's independent from the President?

            •  He should talk about issues that matter (6+ / 0-)

              for his constituents and not worry about POTUS.

              Keep in mind the GOP Congress has even lower approval ratings.

              Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

              by Betty Pinson on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:18:16 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  His constituents don't like (2+ / 0-)
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                the President's policies.  That's the issues that matter to his constituents.  

                The Affordable Care Act polls at 30% in Arkansas --  lower than the President.  And Sen. Pryor voted for the Affordable Care Act.  In fact, because there were no votes to spare in the Senate, every red-state Democrat (like Sen. Landrieu) can be called "the deciding vote" -- if he had voted "no," the ACA would not be law.  

                He has to pick issues that his constituents care about AND use those issues to show that he's not always going to vote with the President.  I think he doesn't have a lot of options right now as to which issues to pick.  

    •  Time? (0+ / 0-)

      They barely work as it is. It's not as if they're pushing policy 24/7/365. They already spend most of their time campaigning. Elections will roll around, be settled, and you'll still be stuck with "the best use of Democrats' time is to make every effort to keep the Senate." Nothing will get done. It's just treading water.

    •  Good points-still pisses me off, but good points. (2+ / 0-)
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    •  If we settle for $8.00 an hour (2+ / 0-)
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      Mr Robert, TheUnknown285

      it will be more than a decade before we have another chance to get $10.10 an hour.

      By then, our economy will be in tatters.

      Compromise with the corporate party and the GOP never works.

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:12:39 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  What are the options here? (3+ / 0-)
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        wdrath, Dr Swig Mcjigger, VClib

        You can't wave a magic wand and change the law.  

        Republicans are almost certainly going to control the House for the next two years.  Right now, Democrats are trying to hold on to the Senate so that at least they will be able to stop Congress from passing the Republican House agenda and sending it to the President.  There's virtually no possibility of getting any legislation done without compromise with Republicans.  

        •  The President, though, does have (0+ / 0-)

          a magic wand--the veto. As long as he wields it, it doesn't matter what Congress does, regardless of who controls it, and we gain a boon in that our party becomes more recognizable as such. I'm not arguing for purity, but coherence would be a nice touch. I don't want just "any legislation", if it's bad legislation. I'd rather have gridlock, proving yet again to the public that Republicans don't want to help them.

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:21:22 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  When 52% of voters in your state (5+ / 0-)

      favor an increase in the minimum wage, it's bad politics to talk like this.  Stupid politics, in fact, especially considering which way the winds are blowing.

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:21:19 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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      Frankly, I would not be at all surprised if the party leaders ok'd this for him.  
      Gee, you really think some Third Way New Dem Corporatists would support a  Third Way New Dem Corporatist's use of a  Third Way New Dem Corporatist talking point? Shocking.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:39:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  (Sooner & faster campaign contributions excluded.) (1+ / 0-)
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    tardis10

    Punxsutawney Phil has been unfriended.

    by jwinIL14 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:38:19 AM PST

  •  If Walmart is his 6th largest donor, who (1+ / 0-)
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    Betty Pinson

    are the top five?  I'd find that information very interesting.

  •  Minimum wage needs to be at state or local level (2+ / 0-)
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    mconvente, TofG

    to reflect the very different costs of living across the country.

    Minimum wage in New York City is now $8/hr going to $9/hr in 2016. Even the current $7.25 national minimum wage that applies in Arkansas supports a higher standard of living than what the minimum wage will provide in NYC in 2016.

    To match the standard of living from $7.25/hr in Little Rock, AR in NYC would take about $15/hr.  See http://money.cnn.com/...

    New York's minimum wage is actually far worse than Arkansas.

    A single national minimum wage lets high cost of living states and cities to have terribly low minimum wages that don't fit the local cost of living.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:43:12 AM PST

  •  how did this dick escape the republican party? (6+ / 0-)
    isn’t a whole lot of money, but I think it’s too much
    that is just such a perfect republican idea! the millionaire with all the added benefits of being a US senator has determined that 10 bucks an hour for labor is "too much"! if 10 is too much, is seven "just right"? how about five? two bucks an hour to slave over boiling grease for eight hours a day? to clean toilets in a nursing home?

    dear "democratic" senator: you're proposing that people staying in officially calculated poverty is preferable to them getting 10 bucks an hour for their hard labor

    fuck y'all

  •  The rest of the quote (0+ / 0-)
    I mean, we treat 'em nice, give 'em a job even though they are so lazy and stupid you put their brains in a jaybird's head he'd fly sideways, and the next thing you know they want to marry your daughter.  
  •  I'd rather take the high road to obscurity... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TheUnknown285

    than the low road to infamy.  I'm so tired of moral cowards.

    What's the difference between the Federal government and organized crime? One's legally sanctioned.

    by FrankenPC on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:05:35 AM PST

  •  What a weasel. &10.10 too fast and furious? It (1+ / 0-)
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    TheUnknown285

    should be his salary for two weeks (even a fortnight!) and see how he rates it. These are the sort of people needed to hold the senate?

  •  This Senate seat is going to be a good test of (6+ / 0-)

    the theory that if you put a quasi-Republican up against a real Republican, voters will go for a real Republican.

    You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

    by MikePhoenix on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:09:38 AM PST

    •  Um, we don't need any more of those. (0+ / 0-)

      We already know the answer. (I know you know that.)

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 10:26:09 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Scum like this ain't worth defending (5+ / 0-)

    Unless a firebrand primary challenger can be recruited but fast, Democrats may as well write this seat off.  Pryor is just another worthless, tone-deaf legacy pol.  

    Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

    by Big River Bandido on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:11:55 AM PST

  •  So what's YOUR suggestion…? (0+ / 0-)
  •  those of us (0+ / 0-)

    that are legitimately left of center should discard the dem party because they are part of the problem but use rhetoric that implies they support the left and the 99% when the reality is something quite different.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  Good night Mark Boy (1+ / 0-)
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    The Waltons were what America used to be about. Not so much any more.

    “He talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans.” James Carville

    by Mokislab on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:17:36 AM PST

  •  So in 1964 I was making $1.25 minimum wage (2+ / 0-)
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    Betty Pinson, Mr Robert

    that is $9.40 today, plus in 1964 I got free food at work.

    Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

    by 88kathy on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:18:27 AM PST

    •  oops I forgot the inflation calculator (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Betty Pinson, Mr Robert

      link

      And tips were in cash.

      Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

      by 88kathy on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:20:08 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Back in 1967 (3+ / 0-)
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        I was going to college and did some work for one of the instructors. The instructor was getting paid a bit over $5 per hour to do some programming for the Testing Services Department but he didn't really have the time to do it as he and his wife had just adopted a baby daughter.

        Anyway, I ended up doing the work and he paid me $5 an hour. He held out a bit to pay the taxes and I got the money tax free directly from him.

        According to your calculator

        $5 of 1967 dollars would be worth: $34.97 in 2013

        So even $10.10 per hour is gross underpayment for any job IMHO.

        My invisible imaginary friend is the "true" creator

        by Mr Robert on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:20:20 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  The Blue Dog... (4+ / 0-)

    gene always leads to a big dose of the stupid! Who the f--- does he think he's appealing to? This doesn't win him one damn vote with ANYBODY: Democrats, Indies, and damn sure no Republicans.

  •  This is a guy that thinks the end-times are near. (0+ / 0-)

    And thinks there is a scientific debate about the merits of creationism.  

    Don't expect policies for a better tomorrow, from someone that doesn't think we'll have a tomorrow.  

    The tent got so big it now stands for nothing.

    by Beelzebud on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:21:46 AM PST

  •  It really depends . . . . (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Big River Bandido

    . . . on whether you're a Payer or a Payee.  For a millionaire, $10.10 an hour is a pittance.  For a pauper, working two jobs at $7.25 an hour,  it's a huge raise.  The Senator has no empathy.  Why is he calling himself a Democrat when he talks like a ?

  •  Hillary Clinton was on WalMart board, 1986-1992 (3+ / 0-)
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    2008 isn't that long ago:

    In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers. Clinton has been endorsed for president by more than a dozen unions, according to her campaign Web site, which omits any reference to her role at Wal-Mart in its detailed biography of her.
    http://abcnews.go.com/...
  •  Just one question (0+ / 0-)

    I'm all in favor of raising the miniumu wage, but since no good deed goes unpunished, won't doing so -- by putting a big bunch of money into the economy that wasn't circulating around in there before -- put upward pressure in the form of inflation so that, eventually, the cost of living as opposed to what people earn will be pretty much right back where we are now?

    I'm no economist, but this seems rather intuitive to me.  Maybe it's erroneously intuitive, one of those "seems reasonable" kinds of things but really isn't.

    •  I am pretty sure (2+ / 0-)
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      that Krugman does not see us as being at risk for serious inflation right now

      I think we should do candidate selection in a new way, only selecting people who will speak out to get the Senate leadership to push the Republicans hard in the media

      by GideonAB on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:46:11 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  you could try emailing (0+ / 0-)

      Dean Baker.  He has responded to my questions in the past

      I think we should do candidate selection in a new way, only selecting people who will speak out to get the Senate leadership to push the Republicans hard in the media

      by GideonAB on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:12:46 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I paid my employees $15 an hour minimum (5+ / 0-)

    I owned a retail shop and paid my employees at least $15 an hour.  Not only did I get an incredibly loyal staff but they spent a lot of that difference in Minimum wage in my shop!  When will employers ever learn?  Grateful employees will always support your business and make sure their friends and families do as well.

  •  "Too much, too fast" is a reasonable argument (2+ / 0-)

    when set against the history of the minimum wage, but...it's also a near-necessity so long as Congress refuses to adjust for the cost of living.

    Historically, the minimum wage has hovered around $9.00-$9.50  an hour in 2013 dollars, but it's worked a bit like a thermostat: set up higher, then sinking down, then set up higher.  Some bills have built in a steady stream of increases to keep up with inflation, but nothing works as well as an adjustment that actually tracks increasing costs.

    Don't want to go to $10.10? Do $9.25 + COLA or something like that.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 12:00:26 PM PST

  •  Nothing surprising here... (3+ / 0-)

    Arkansas will get every bit of what it deserves.  I won't be surprised when the Senate goes red in 2014, Obama declared the lame duck he already is, and nothing changes---because the Republicans have never been less committed to nullification, obstruction, and more of the same past six years.  A solid 35% of the electorate will mindlessly pull their lever, and in rural (and red) America far, far more, enough to elect them to majorities in both Houses fo Congress.  America is already a banana republic where the poor can't afford to shop at Walmart, the middle class hopes for the crumbs, and the 1% controls Congress, a wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries.  Today the President is out touting the farm bill today while millions are thrown off food stamps and corporate welfare prospers.  It's over, folks.  Simply put, we suck and are going to be way worse come November 2014.

  •  $21K only if (2+ / 0-)

    one works 40 hours a week, every week, 52 weeks per year.  That's as unlikely as Senator Pryor acting in his constituent' interest.

    A 50 week total is still generous, but more likely, so $20,200.  Just don't get sick, don't make medical appointments for the kids during working hours...

  •  Has Sen. Pryor ever known of a CEO (2+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, thanatokephaloides

    who got "too much, too fast"?  I suspect not.

    "There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress." - Mark Twain

    by rustypatina on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:57:33 PM PST

  •  PRIMARY HIS ASS (2+ / 0-)

    If he's going to lose anyway, run a pro-labor candidate against him.

  •  And what about the subsidies from the rest of us. (3+ / 0-)

    And never forget, most minimum wage jobs are not full time, nor do they usually provided any benefits.  Which means that the worker has to pay for his own (REQUIRED!!!) health insurance (or perhaps get a subsidy or medicaid, IE THE REST OF US ARE MAKING UP THAT DIFFERENCE) and the person can't afford to save for retirement. So the government contribution will continue for a lifetime. Subsidized rent.  Subsidized heat.  Senior dining with subsidized meals.  Yes, I know lots of people who are old, frail, and qualify for everything.

    (We as a society can afford to pay for this stuff, but how much better for all of us, if the workers just got better pay upfront.)

  •  I bet Pryor ends up "evolving" on this (1+ / 0-)
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    I figure by early Summer, he'll be championing $8.90/hr. And then Labor Day he'll take the "radical step" of advocating  $9.15/hr. So tepid progress, but still distancing from DC.

    If he is re-elected, I don't think he'll be against $10.10 any longer.

    Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 03:09:51 PM PST

  •  americana the stupiful. (0+ / 0-)

    The #1 thing I am pretty sure of: America and its exceptional people are being exceptionally f%cked royal and the only answer is to bend over and take it where the sun don't shine. I DO NOT SHOP AT WALMART! I do not eat at McDonalds period! I look for smaller business stores and shop at them. We americans wield ULTIMATE POWER and I wonder if people will ever develop a brain cell to use this POWER we hold? If enough people finally figure out that we are being systematically f%cked then who needs a government to do anything? These corporations will beg people to work for higher wage but as long as we keep producing more people and making them dumber then get use to this because mathematically we have lost the game..good luck to your grandchildren because we fucked them royal by being stupid assholes today.
    America is getting a psychological fuck job by corporations/politicians who finally figured out the recipe to NEVER LOSE....its a numbers game and we are losing.
    I hope our 18-30 year olds wake up before its too late because my generation has their heads up their ass.
    The truth is the truth!

  •  Everything Wrong with the Democratic Party... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...is on display in this thread.

    We have a Democratic senator taking a reprehensible stance and spewing right-wing talking points.  And he's doing it in an effort to save his own ass.  We have a Democratic official essentially pissing on a group of people that 1) get pissed on enough already and 2) are supposed to be the people this party purports to look out for.

    On top of that, it's a dumb strategy.  He's alienating a group of people that he's going to need and for what?  He's seriously delusional if he this is going to win over Republican voters.  And raising the minimum wage is a winning issue anyways, not just with the Democratic base.

    What's even worse is the crap being spouted by the "pragmatists."  We have the excusing of these actions  in the name of playing short-term, localized electoral gains.  We have them spouting the same failure of a message, that people should vote Democratic because "we suck less" or we throw you a few more crumbs.

    Christ, when is the Democratic Party going to stop being a party of inept, soulless cowards?

  •  Pryor is no profile in courage, but (1+ / 0-)
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    his reelection or defeat may very well determine whether Mitch McConnell becomes the next Senate Majority Leader ... so progressive Democrats better hold their noses and hope he wins

  •  oh come on! (0+ / 0-)

    Like Wal-mart has full time workers.

  •  I support Pryor, though I'm not crazy about him (1+ / 0-)
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    He's done some good things, and some bad. Like every politician. I think the good outweighs the bad, generally. But Pryor is up against the wall. The teabagger Tom Cotton is getting money hand over fist from the Koch Machine. Pryor can't afford to alienate the Waltons - or other big donors who might help him.

    But there are some somewhat misleading comments in the article. Arkansas raised the minimum wage to $6.50 when the Federal minimum was $5.25. Then the Feds raised it, and of course the minimum here is the Federal minimum.

    I don't think you can say there is a one-size-fits-all minimum wage. $10.10 is not a living wage in New York or California, but here in Arkansas, that is considered good money by most working folks. $8.50 here would not be half bad.

    Bear in mind that you can buy a nice cottage here where I live in North Central Arkansas for $30K, give or take $10K. We have a steep sales tax, but personal property and real estate taxes are very low - homeowners living in their own homes get quite a break. I can buy a nice pork roast at the local supermarket for $1.39 a pound, or sometimes less on sale. Groceries are not cheap, but not what they are on the coasts.

    Mark Pryor has become sort of a whipping boy for progressives for some reason. He is NOT a progressive, he's a blue dog. But he is light-years better than the competition. If he were a progressive, he couldn't get elected here. You have to understand how it is in the very red South. You MUST wear your religion on your sleeve, and you MUST at least give lip service to economic cuts to the 99%.

    Pryor did support ENDA (pretty brave thing to do down here), is working on the military sexual assault bill, supported VAWA, and is trying to keep Social Security cuts off the table. All in all, I think I'd like to keep him. (BTW, he IS way left of Boozman, and somewhat left of the deposed Blanche Lincoln.)

  •  Conservative Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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    The flies in the ointment.

  •  VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! (0+ / 0-)

    We have to get these self-serving egotists out of Washington.  They vote for themselves, not for the constituents that they were elected to serve.  I grew up lower middle class, and rarely heard of foreclosures, poverty, childhood hunger, and homelessness.  I'm sure that they existed, but not at the level that they are at today.  There's money....just ask the military contractors.  And we must wash away the term "working poor".  Raise the minimum to $15.00 p/h, and the Wal-Marts of the world be damned.  We're all subsidizing their profits, while keeping good men and women enslaved.  

  •  Here is that much needed cup of wake-up coffee... (0+ / 0-)

    And pay for executives has gone up to 400% of an average worker within the past few years, and that is NOT too much, too fast for them?!?

    Most of these problems exist solely on the basis of THEM selling outrageous ideas to the gullible population in the hopes that they will just assume these things are true and couldn't be otherwise solved and take them for granted because an 'expert' has declared them.  Take, for example, the budget cuts to various safety nets due to the excuse that 'THEY just don't have the money.'  And were are people supposed to assume the money went?  Into a black hole?  Money is like water, a limited resource that can be stretched in a number of shapes on the planet.  The hole that it all 'went into' is the rich man's pocket!

  •  Republicans cannot win in Arkansas (0+ / 0-)

    But Democrats can still arrange to lose.  And in Arkansas, that's what they do, and Pryor seems determined to follow them.

    This could have been a safe seat.  Give the voters a choice between two Republicans, and they'll pick the Republican.

    "It was all a mistake! I'm dieting and I told my staff to close the FRIDGE!" --attributed to Governor Christie

    by AdmiralNaismith on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 03:39:51 PM PST

  •  Pryor needs an intervention by Bold Progressives (0+ / 0-)

    SEN Mark Pryor D AR is one of those third way jellyfish democrats who has turned his back on 99% of the people of Arkansas and the nation because he had to vote according to walmart and the waltons, the corporation and wealthy family who bought and paid for his election and so his votes in the US Senate. They don't want the minimum wage raised so he is going to oppose it, disregarding the poverty of so many of his own constituents. It is time for the Bold Progressives of the Democratic Party to issue new marching orders to Sen Pryor, he either starts representing ALL the people who elect him, or he can check with the waltons and see if his position with walmart is available.

  •  Walmart owns more than brick and mortar. (0+ / 0-)

      Walmart also owns its fair share of elected officials in the congress and senate, you see.

  •  reverse that (0+ / 0-)

    $10.10 is too little, too late.

    Yeah, I'm tired of Deadocrats. Obama in particular. Supporting the NSA. Forgiving the Banksters with the atty general promising in public he'd never prosecute them - which was the Real crime. Weak or just jawboning on minimum wage and net neutrality. Letting the Second cut in food stamps, which are mostly for children, slip through. Pushing the TPP - NAFTA on steroids. Agreeing ahead of time to cut social security. A drone policy that is making us more and more hated in the world and actually creating More terrorists.

    I almost think I voted for a Republican.

  •  3 year Phase in for minmum wage (0+ / 0-)

    As I commented in the Ithaca JournalGannett...phasing in minimum wage to $10.10 per hour by Democrats that claim to be progressive is a slap in the face to the workers who need it most. Why not immediately this year, asap?
    Because Gillibrand and all the rest are Wall Streeters like Hillary (she was on the Walmart board long ago), and they are sellouts. The comment that said we need REAL progressive Democrats, not fake ones IS right on and the barbs against him and this concept is by people that are not real progressives.

    www.norenforsenate.com Scott Noren DDS

    by DoctorNoren on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:05:26 PM PST

  •  BS. Immediate raising of the minimum wage. (0+ / 0-)

    Immediate tripling of taxes on those making more than $1 million per year. Tripling of taxes on all profits generated from companies overseas. Tripling taxes on offshore bank accounts. Jail time and confiscation of assets for those caught cheating.

  •  Dump Pryor (0+ / 0-)

    If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. What's worse- a boner fide Republiclown, or a republiclown masquarading as a Democrat? I hope a progressive steps up to bat and knocks Pryor out of the ball park. MR. PRYOR stop putting Walfarts interest before the people of Arkansas.

  •  Pryor is correct (0+ / 0-)

    Given that in most States, especially Red ones, it's $7.25, going up nearly $3/hr in one fell swoop is crazy.

  •  gap (0+ / 0-)

    The income gap between the rich elite and the shrinking class is bigger than it was a year ago. According to Forbes, much of the 400 wealthiest people in the nation saw their net worth boost since this time in 2011. As the rich get richer, the middle class continues to shrink, widening yet more the gap between the wealthy and the poor.

  •  Ten Dollars and Hour.... (0+ / 0-)

    is too little, too late.

    Adjusted for inflation, and depending which indices are used, it should more like $15.

    Pryor, YOU FAIL!

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