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Here's the basic reason it's so hard to pass paid sick leave in the United States:

Graph showing access to paid sick days by personal earnings. 83% of people making more than $65,00 have paid sick days, 77% making between $45,000 and 64,999 do, 75% between $35,000 and $44,999, 54% between $20,000 and $34,999, and just 28% below $19,999.
The more money you make, the more likely you are to already have sick leave. The more money you make, the more likely your legislators are to know you or people like you and to be interested in your opinions.

The facts are stark: 61 percent of American workers have access to paid sick days, up from 57 percent in 2009. Just one state and seven cities have laws requiring employers to offer earned sick leave. And some of the occupations in which you'd most want people taking time off if they were sick, for public health reasons, have the lowest rates: Just 24 percent of food preparation and serving workers and 31 percent of personal care and service workers get paid sick days.

But employers insist they need workers sneezing into the food prep line or they'll go bankrupt, or something, and the issue doesn't feel so urgent to legislators whose friends and family all already can take a day off when they need it. And so the U.S. lags behind much of the rest of the world on this as on so many other basic workplace rights.

(Via Bryce Covert)

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 07:34 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  And the numbers at 250k+ ? (9+ / 0-)

    I'll bet they're 100%.

    "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

    by nosleep4u on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 07:45:32 AM PST

    •  Perhaps, but at those and higher pay rates... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...you don't really need them.

      "Nothing happens unless first a dream. " ~ Carl Sandburg

      by davewill on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 10:36:51 AM PST

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    •  And paid Golf days ... (1+ / 0-)
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      Dirtandiron

      “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire

      by RUNDOWN on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 10:39:16 AM PST

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    •  Actually at that level you don't formal leave (1+ / 0-)
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      Dirtandiron

      They don't have you accure leave / sick or vacation.  You take time off at your discretion.  This is an accounting thing.  If a company gives you time off it is a charge in that quater.  If you just work the hours you want, they don't book the charge.

      At that level people aren't abusing the leave system or they aren't around long.

      Just one more way people play the system.

      I am a statistician, not a magician although we are easily confused. I guess that explains why people keep trying to tie me in chains and place me under water.

      by Edge PA on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 12:27:42 PM PST

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    •  People That Have (0+ / 0-)

      Too many folks view the government/country from an inner directed view.  It's all about them (no taxes, I don't want to pay for birth control ...).   If they would have a more outer directed view it would be about what's best for the whole country and not just them.   We lag behind because of selfish views.

  •  In my best republican voice (17+ / 0-)

    If you want to get sick
    just work hard and get a better higher paying job .

    Go to the emergency room
    on your own time .

    Do you want a job
    or do you want to be sick ?

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 07:58:29 AM PST

  •  A more general reason (1+ / 0-)
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    A law mandating paid sick leave would be a law requiring workers to be paid for not working.  At the present time, employers are required to compensate workers only for hours actually worked, and there is a lot of resistance against breaking with that tradition.

    •  For people who have paid vacation days (11+ / 0-)

      I have been seeing a rapid change to combining vacation and sick days into a total number of days with Paid Time Off (PTO) with little or no ability to carry over PTOs from one year to the next. I like PTOs because you don't have to convince anyone you are really sick, if you don't feel well you can stay home, or use time to go to the doctor or dentist, or a parent/teacher meeting. I think employers like it too because it's easier to administer, and because each day of PTO is a potential vacation day, it is self policing.

      The other trend I am seeing in startups is no formal paid vacation or sick days. Each employee is paid for 52 weeks and is expected to take some time off. The timing of the days off is a negotiation between each individual and their boss. The company creates no financial liability so if you leave no accrued vacation pay is owed. This only works with small teams of highly energized people, who are intensely focused, and rarely take vacation anyway.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 08:44:41 AM PST

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      •  Haha...we have what is termed, "voluntary time (5+ / 0-)
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        off"...You don't get paid but you get to keep your "full time status".  That's when our business slows down in the winter.

        My company gives every full time employee 2 weeks paid vacation or 10 actual days of pay after 1 year. Then we get 6 sick day per calendar year and 2 personal days.

        So, 18 days of free pay in total.  None of which carries over.

        Vacation time increases as years of service increase.  After 7 yrs you get 3 weeks, after 15 yrs you get 4 weeks, after 20 yrs you get a maximum of 5 weeks.  We have 11 employees in the highest tier and that's out of 60 total employees at our location.

        But because we have so many in the highest tiers, you're lucky if you can actually get a full weeks vacation, at the same time.  

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:05:12 AM PST

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        •  In CA they are very strict about the issue that if (3+ / 0-)
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          AoT, sethtriggs, gerrilea

          people are at the work site they have to be paid at least the minimum wage. In the startup world lots of rules are bent, but with some liability to the company, its officers and directors.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:22:57 AM PST

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        •  no wonder you are outraged (1+ / 0-)
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          enough to be so keen on guns...............

          (unapologetic fan of gun control here, but also supporter of workers' rights - me European, sorry, badly brought up)

          •  Hon, I've never owned a firearm... (0+ / 0-)

            What you mistake for being "keen on guns" is actually my unequivocal support of our Constitution as the supreme law of our land.

            It is the only law our creation must abide by AND defend, as their sworn duty requires.

            Oh, and I expect our creation to do so equally, as in "Equity Under Law".  No special classes of "exempt" citizens.  If they pass a law, it must be for all, not just you or me.

            :)

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 11:38:24 AM PST

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            •  our creation??? (0+ / 0-)

              what does that mean?

              and a pity for you that the 2nd Amendment makes no sense,  if you are so fond of it.  Does not even say 'everyone can own a gun'. About time that somebody banned bullets, I'd say.

              and what is the point about no exempt citizens?  You mean that anyone can own a gun  - mentally disturbed citizens with a history of spousal abuse can do, or something completely different?

              •  As you've already admitted to be in Europe, (0+ / 0-)

                you may not understand that our government is at the request and permission of, We The People.  We created it through the agreed upon treaty called the constitution.

                The Constitution does not grant any American anything, it does grant our creation, ie government, rules that it must abide by.

                In the context of this understanding, the 2nd A becomes very clear.  Our creation cannot infringe upon the preexisting right to keep and bear arms.  It can, however, "regulate the arms of the militia" when called into service.

                Why you felt the need to bring this issue up in a diary about wage law is a bit of a mystery...

                If you'd like for us to discuss this further, please feel free to Kosmail me or better yet, write a diary so that all can participate.

                I don't recall ever seeing you in any of the RKBA diaries, maybe you should stop by sometime or review the hundreds of diaries we, as a group, and individually have written.  We understand one thing, the most dangerous thing to our lives and safety are Republicans getting into office.

                Our topics of personal concerns vary from Wildlife preservation to Constitutional Law.

                I'm of the latter, if you haven't figured it out yet.

                -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                by gerrilea on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 01:47:37 PM PST

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                •  who are these exempt citizens... (0+ / 0-)

                  still waiting for your answer there.

                  (whilst hoping that you get round to amending the Constitution, in your own interests, so as to get gun control on a better footing)

                  •  ??? "still waiting"??? ROFL...considering I just (0+ / 0-)

                    got home from work and saw your reply...I didn't know you had questions.

                    It's obvious to many that the gun control being put forth is on very shaky grounds.  "You shouldn't have military weapons. Only police and military can have x, y, z."

                    These "special citizens" are not superior.  If a law is to be constitutionally sound it must apply to all Americans.

                    You want assault weapon x banned, great, it must be banned for all, including LEO and our military.  If the military has magazines with 100 rounds, so should every citizen, if they so chose.

                    Equity Under Law is my biggest issue.

                    I don't understand what it is you're saying here:

                    whilst hoping that you get round to amending the Constitution, in your own interests, so as to get gun control on a better footing)
                    The constitution, even if it were amended, cannot strip any American of any preexisting right or create the conditions whereby there are defacto bans on exercising them.

                    My personal interests are to wake up in a country where no American feels the need to own a weapon but still maintains the inherent right to do so.

                    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                    by gerrilea on Wed Mar 05, 2014 at 10:22:56 PM PST

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        •  Wow, that's awful (1+ / 0-)
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          you get 18 paid days a year.  So sorry you can't carry that over.  You can probably use it as you see fit, too without planning your illnesses or getting your supervisor to sign off on paperwork for a wedding six weeks ahead with maybe a 50/50 chance of getting it.  A good friend of mine was denied use of his pto for a friend's funeral.  He came to work rather than be written up along with missing the pay.  

      •  PTO sucks because if you want to visit your (2+ / 0-)
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        family in another state, you or your kids can't get sick, nor can emergencies force you to take a PTO day.

        "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

        by zenbassoon on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:38:32 AM PST

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      •  All combining sick time and vacation time into (6+ / 0-)

        one PTO bucket does is cause people to come into work when sick and share it with everyone else because they don't want to use paid time they were saving for a vacation later in the year.

        Having a limited number of sick days, especially if it doesn't carry over each year, just causes employees to be "sick" at the end of the year so they can use those days before losing them. Or, it causes people to come in while sick because they think they're not that sick, and want to save their sick time for later in case they really are sicker later in the year.

        My employer has no set limit on sick days and I think it's the right way to go. People aren't coming into the office sick and making everyone else sick because no one's worried about cutting into their vacation time if they take the day off. And no one is faking being sick before the end of the year when our PTO has to be used by.  Being out sick for an extended period of time may trigger a request for a doctor's note, but if I'm out for a couple days with the flu, there's no consequence. And everyone's happier and healthier when I'm not in the office sharing my germs.

        Are there people who abuse it? In a company as large as mine, I'm sure there are. But overall, employees are honest and don't abuse it.

        "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

        by yg17 on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 10:28:18 AM PST

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        •  sensible employer!!! (nt) (0+ / 0-)
          •  Heh, the ironic thing is (0+ / 0-)

            and I'm not going to name who it is, but it's one of the largest companies in the country and probably universally hated by everyone on Daily Kos ;)

            And no, it's not a bank.

            "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

            by yg17 on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 12:39:29 PM PST

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        •  Same for mine. It has taken some getting used to (0+ / 0-)

          as my wife's leave is the combined vacation and sick leave style.  She's been bumping up against her maximum because she's afraid to take time off.  Fortunately she works from home so she doesn't contaminate co-workers, but I cannot convince her not to go "into the office" unless she literally can't see straight.

      •  I like PTO as well (0+ / 0-)

        I don't know why anyone still sticks with having separate sick and vacation days. It puts the employer in the position of having to police the days off so people don't take the wrong type of day off. It leaves employees open to suspicions that they are abusing the system and creates this nanny/child scenario where the employee has to prove that they are behaving. Grown-ups don't need to be dealing with permission slips and doctor's notes. It's infantilizing.

        As for the liability for accrued vacation time: In the throes of the recession we were having large layoffs and people were having their accrued vacation paid out. Some people had the equivalent of a month’s salary or more in vacation time. My employer decided they just weren’t going to do that anymore, so if you left or were laid off you got nothing. Well, there was a huge backlash and my employer relented such that you could have up to 2 weeks paid out. Good to know the people still have some power to get a response if they express enough outrage.

        Meanwhile, I know a few state employees who don’t have any limits on accrued vacation time (versus ‘use it or lose it’) and have gotten massive payouts when they quit or retired because they have 500 or 600 hours banked. There was a story that made the news around here a few years ago about a city manager who over a 30-year career had accrued something like 2000 hours and got a six-figure payout.

        Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

        by Joe Bob on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 10:54:27 AM PST

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        •  Some places do that (0+ / 0-)

          Mostly that's not vacation though, that's sick time.

          I think that's really not good either.

          We're allowed to carry over some vacation time, but not all of it, and you can never get over a set limit - you'll lose whatever you have that's over. So people do take their vacation, so they don't lose it.

          Sick is different. You can carry as much sick time as you want. There is a reason for doing so.

          If you get REALLY sick, you'll get paid your regular salary until your sick leave runs out. At that point your short term disability might kick in, or you might qualify for long term disability.

          Save up a couple of months worth of sick time (and that's not impossible if you stay in the job), and you can have surgery, or be in an accident, and not have to worry about not having any income, or insurance.

          Now, I don't think you should be paid for all of that when you retire (it doesn't kick in when you just quit, at least I don't think so), but I think you should get some reasonable amount.

      •  I've worked at startups much of my life. (0+ / 0-)

        And, even as they grow, the problem for managers (including myself as a manager and my manager managing me!) is getting people to take vacation or time off.

        With the "take it or stop accruing" policies that started in the 80's due changes in how accrued vacation was accounted for, it got a little easier ("Dude, if you don't take a day off, in the next pay period you won't get the vacation accrual that you earned"). Although, this often just meant the person worked on "pet projects" instead of "assigned work" that day -- but that was good for all anyway.

    •  Since they do it anyway at the high income scale, (3+ / 0-)
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      they obviously have no problem paying for not working. This law just means they have to do that for everyone.

    •  Well (6+ / 0-)
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      Catte Nappe, duhban, VClib, Wee Mama, kyril, mmacdDE

      There is a fundamental difference in how employers measure a work day and a work hour for different types of employees.

      For workers in the service industry, a day is a day and an hour is an hour.

      For workers in my sector and my role, employers consider you to be "working" seven days a week, regardless of whether you are in the office or at home, and your work hours are fungible, as long as you are working at least sixty hours a week and work still "gets done."

      In this part of the technology business, we in fact do not have the concept of sick days at all. If you are sick, you stay home, but you still work, just like you work from home on the weekends.

      If you have a medical emergency, you may be out of touch for a period of time. If that time period becomes too long, they eventually demand that you go on a medical leave.

      I am guessing that many white collar jobs in the private sector are like mine -- your work day is every day and your work hours are "until exhaustion."

      I wonder how much resistance to paid sick days comes from that perspective.

      "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

      by bink on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 08:49:14 AM PST

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    •  Not true, currently employers are required to pay (1+ / 0-)
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      employees for breaks. Which is paying for time not worked.

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:04:14 AM PST

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      •  Yes and no...depends if there is a union contract (1+ / 0-)
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        and what the State laws are.

        NY does not have any such requirements for "breaks" being paid for.  Only a "30 minute uninterrupted meal period" for 8 hours of work.

        The factory I once worked at, we were required to take a 15 minute break, every 4 hours but we didn't get paid for it either.  We'd punch in and out for it.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:10:34 AM PST

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        •  Under federal labor law coffee break are (0+ / 0-)

          paid breaks.

          http://www.dol.gov/...

          Federal law does not require lunch or coffee breaks. However, when employers do offer short breaks (usually lasting about 5 to 20 minutes), federal law considers the breaks as compensable work hours that would be included in the sum of hours worked during the work week and considered in determining if overtime was worked. Unauthorized extensions of authorized work breaks need not be counted as hours worked when the employer has expressly and unambiguously communicated to the employee that the authorized break may only last for a specific length of time, that any extension of the break is contrary to the employer's rules, and any extension of the break will be punished.
          But both New Mexico and California, the only states I've worked in, both require paid breaks, so it's much more common than paid sick days.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:25:34 AM PST

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          •  Only 7 States require "rest periods". (0+ / 0-)

            http://www.workplacefairness.org/...

            Only 7 states have provisions requiring that employers give their employees rest breaks. Employers may also be bound to provide breaks by collective bargaining agreements (in unionized workplaces) or other state labor regulations.

            If you work in one of the states where there is no law, then your employer is only voluntarily giving you rest breaks if you have them. Your employer is free to revoke that policy at any time, or may make any appropriate modifications or limitations it chooses.

            Then there is this:
            5. My employer allows me two rest breaks during the day, but does not pay me for them. Is this legal?

            Under the FLSA, rest periods of short duration (for example, five to twenty minutes) are considered to make employees' work more efficient, and are customarily paid for as working time.

            I know for a fact, I never got paid for the two mandatory "15 minute breaks" as required by NYS Labor Law, that I had to take.

            I think the operative term is "customarily paid"...meaning if my employer gave breaks but never paid for them, that would be lawful.  If they did pay for them, they couldn't change their policy and make them unpaid.

            I guess.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 10:48:34 AM PST

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            •  You may not have been paid for them (0+ / 0-)

              but under federal law they are required to pay according to the DoL.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 11:12:12 AM PST

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              •  I really am anal when it comes to my pay... (1+ / 0-)
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                Don't screw with my money.  Treat me like a dog, call me names, whatever...don't cross the line and not pay me what I've legitimately labored for.  I've traded part of my life for your business, parts I'll never get back, ever...

                I've sued and won multiple cases through the years against the fraudulent practices of many of my former employers.  Employers in NY were so scummy they intentional misclassified hundreds of thousands here just to not pay overtime.  So much so, NY was finally forced to make their "practices" into actual criminal offenses.

                I'm pretty sure you're missing the operative part of "customarily".  That does not state, "breaks must be paid for", there is a real legal difference.

                Hey, I think breaks should be paid for...really.

                -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                by gerrilea on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 11:25:51 AM PST

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      •  If they offerbreaks at all (1+ / 0-)
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        Which they do not have to do.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:10:40 AM PST

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        •  In both states I've worked in they were required (0+ / 0-)

          California and New mexico.

          Either way, the certainly should be required. Maybe this would be a good place to start with requiring pay for time off?

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:27:48 AM PST

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    •  you mean (2+ / 0-)
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      there's a lot of resistance to breaking the tradition as it applies to poor people.  Upper middle class people getting paid for not working doesn't generate the same kind of backlash.

      Politics means controlling the balance of economic and institutional power. Everything else is naming post offices.

      by happymisanthropy on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:34:06 AM PST

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  •  I figured the numbers were bad (4+ / 0-)
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    but I didn't think they would be this bad. We really need to start mandating some level of sick time and paid vacation time.

    Der Weg ist das Ziel

    by duhban on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:12:53 AM PST

    •  As someone who lived most of my life in CA (5+ / 0-)

      I didn't realize how bad the labor law in the rest of the country is. They don't even have mandatory paid breaks in most places. Sounds like we need a serious update to the labor law. We are one of the only countries in the world that doesn't have and mandatory paid sick leave. It's absurd.

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:35:10 AM PST

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      •  yes (5+ / 0-)

        I frankly have known I am rather lucky given my position (the factory literally can not run without us) and as such we're better then the floor workers in most regards. But we badly need some federal laws on sick leave, vacations time and even in my opinion how breaks and lunches are handled. Most hourly people frankly don't get a full lunch break. By the time you clock out, get your lunch and sit down you've used up 5 minutes or more and it's going to take as long to be back on the clock. Thus your supposed thirty minute lunch is actually 20 minutes or less.

        Der Weg ist das Ziel

        by duhban on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:45:39 AM PST

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        •  Absolutely (1+ / 0-)
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          Add time to that when you are required to keep any and all personal items in a locked locker.  Same thing with breaks.  I got a verbal warning because I suddenly had diarrhea on my way back from a break so I took 3 extra min.  Another time, I'm ashamed to say I peed down my leg leaving the customer service call floor at the last possible second.  It was usually 85 degrees on the call floor and I had to drink a LOT of water. Yes, we got breaks but we weren't allowed to go to the bathroom otherwise because they know when you put your phone on pause and they will come after you.  

  •  The "Job Creators" Don't Want to Pay for Crap. (4+ / 0-)
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    Especially when the money could be going toward their third vacation home.

    I miss Speaker Pelosi :^(

    by howarddream on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:26:54 AM PST

  •  United we bargain (3+ / 0-)
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    Divided we beg.

    This is what it all comes down to. Without a union to negotiate, workers are left begging. Please Boss, may I have some......more?

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    by Grey Fedora on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:29:31 AM PST

  •  All you need are the ads with workers (5+ / 0-)

    sneezing into the food, with lots of snot.  Pus is good too.  Along with the workers saying "I can't take off because I will lose my job" and "If I don't work I don't get paid and I can't afford to feed my kids".

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 09:36:54 AM PST

  •  Plus, again, it is part of the evil meanspirited- (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Diana in NoVa, ColoTim

    ness rife in the 'halls of power' - mainly the GOP - the ones who are much more adept at getting their shitty plans foist upon us.

    Too bad the law makers despise us.

    Legal means "good".
    [41984 | Feb 4, 2005]

    by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Mar 04, 2014 at 10:02:54 AM PST

  •  You see the same pattern for (6+ / 0-)

    Paid Vacation, Paid Maternity Leave, Paid Holidays, Health Insurance, etc., etc.  

    The whole "I got mine, your position in life is 100% your own fault" attitude is definitely there but people do have empathy.  It's important not to have a defeatist attitude about it.  Paid Sick Days have overwhelming public support and every other first world nation requires employers offer them.  We will get them in the US and it will be soon.  The only reason we don't have them in the US is that the Democratic party has been asleep at the wheel on this topic.  We need to wake them up.

  •  San Francisco proved this is beneficial (4+ / 0-)

    And no, tons of restaurants did not suddenly go broke when we passed a law requiring time off!

    Sick leave laws generate more concern than pain

  •  No sick days on my last two jobs (3+ / 0-)

    Even if you had Paid Time Off hours accrued, you basically had to "plan" your illnesses. I swear this is pretty much what HR told me.  I broke my glasses and can't drive or use the computer without them (no, I can't afford a spare pair).  So I called in and explained and was given an "occurrence".  3 of those and you're fired.  So, I had PTO coming to me, but not only did I lose money out of my paycheck, I got disciplined.   Plus, I drove blind to get same day glasses, which weren't covered under my vision insurance I paid for since they only cover glasses that are ordered from their factory god knows where.  And those were the good old days.  At this point I desperately need unemployment reinstated (not bloody likely, right?) so I can fix my car so I can get a job and keep my house. Then I'll be lucky enough to worry about sick days.  Employers sure have the boot our neck, don't they? I can't imagine what people with small children do when it comes to sick days.  Wait, I do.  They were fired.

  •  As an employer this gets tricky. (0+ / 0-)

    I work for an electrical contractor. We offer PTO time accrued per hour worked. The first 3 years it is at 2 weeks then after 3 years it increases to 3 weeks. We allow PTO to be accrued on overtime hours as well which many companies do not. Our employees on average work overtime regularly so they get more hours than just the standard. I still have employees that accrue more time and use every minute before they start to accumulate more for the holidays. Most employees carry over hours from the prior year. We do not have a use it or lose it policy.

    When we have employees out for whatever reason it causes a strain on the jobs we are working on. I don't want our employees coming to work sick and we usually will send them home if they are in a bad way. We do not have a backup crew when the workload gets heavier. It isn't fair to hire people for short term projects only to let them go after the job is complete. We have a pretty good retention rate for employees that have invested in their career. We offer full benefits including health insurance, retirement fund matching and PTO. We only have 20 employees so we did the right thing by offering benefits and were not forced to do so.

  •  Since some of the people with the lowest access (0+ / 0-)

    to paid sick leave are food prep and personal care workers and so many diseases are food borne or transmitted through person to person contact, it seems logical that mandating access to sick leave for these workers would reduce illness and healthcare costs overall.  But I guess that's too logical for a Republican politician or a plutocrat to follow.

  •  But that will leave tyrannical managers (0+ / 0-)

    with only workers injured on the job to threaten with termination if they do not come in.

  •  another reason (0+ / 0-)

    the right is against unions.

  •  but the mechanism for obstructing such legislation (0+ / 0-)

    is the same- ALEC related stink tanks feed local state right wing radio stations that blast the electorate with bullshit all day - with little or no correction from those effected. that translates into votes, including a lot of the low information voters adversely affected but too busy working or apathetic to find the alt ammo to counter the loudest soapboxes in the state and their teabagger servants all too often camping out around the water coolers.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 08:00:07 PM PST

  •  The Excuse I've Heard Is... (0+ / 0-)

    ...the same as the excuse for why the ACA is bad -- competition. How can I compete when no other restaurant has paid leave. How can I compete when shops with less than 100 employees don't have to provide health insurance under ACA.

    “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

    by chuco35 on Fri Mar 07, 2014 at 10:13:57 PM PST

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