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Republican leaders Senator Mitch McConnell (R) and John Boehner speak after a bipartisan meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House in Washington June 10, 2010. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS)
It's not just you recoiling. America agrees.
Jed touched upon that new NBC/WSJ poll earlier today, noting both President Barack Obama's rising numbers and the massive intensity gap. But also in the poll, proof yet again that Americans really do not like Republicans.

I'd like you to rate your feelings toward each one as very positive, somewhat positive, neutral, somewhat negative, or very negative.

Not that Democrats are a paragon of popularity, but those GOP numbers are brutal. In fact, when you calculate the net ratings for each (positives minus negatives), it's clear who's at the top and who's at the bottom of public opinion:

Clinton +16
Obama +3
Democrats -1
Rand Paul -3
Jeb Bush -11
Koch Brothers -11
Mitch McConnell -15
Republicans -19
Tea Party -19

Note that few know who the Kochs are (two-thirds were either neutral on them or didn't know who they were). Over half of respondents were in the same boat regarding Rand Paul. But still, if Americans know who you are, and you're a Republican, odds are they want little to do with you.

Our problem isn't winning over the American people. It's getting them to the polls.

It's also the reason Republicans are so vested in voter suppression.

Originally posted to kos on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:03 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (133+ / 0-)
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  •  Kind of sad how few Americans vote, especially (47+ / 0-)

    in off-year elections. And compare that to the Iraqis willing to face terrorists just to get a chance to vote. Are we really sure the oligarchs are stealing/buying our democracy or are we letting them have it by our apathy?

    GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:12:51 AM PDT

    •  30 + Years (20+ / 0-)

      30 + years of brainwashing and propagandizing by the repubs have brought us here.  I am white and am so embarrassed by the white repub party hell bent on destroying us. The repubs power comes from gerrymandered districts, very very rich folks and counting on their brain dead base for votes.  They will destroy us if we let them.

      •  Florida GOP gerrymandered so many districts... (2+ / 0-)
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        murrayewv, Pilotshark

        that my worthless GOP rep only has call-in Townhalls and doesn't even have a Dem challenger.
        sigh
        That alone discourages Dems from participating in registration drives, if there even are in our district.

        "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

        by MartyM on Thu May 01, 2014 at 04:05:39 AM PDT

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        •  Independent Redistricting Commisions (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          MartyM, Pilotshark

          decrease gerrymandering. Arizona's has passed several legal challenges and gave us five Dems out of eight congressional House seats.

          It is ridiculous to pretend that firing teachers based on student test scores, starting charter schools, giving out vouchers or implementing merit pay will overcome the challenges facing a child living in poverty. -Jersey Jazzman

          by Desert Rose on Thu May 01, 2014 at 05:14:00 AM PDT

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    •  The key is using Ad Biz emotional appeals. (18+ / 0-)

      You have to reach people at their gut reactions.

      The single best recent example for doing this was the Democratic side of the Senate race in North Dakota in 2012. Heidi Heitkamp started off 30% down with 3 months to go. She focused on core topics: fiscal issues with her opponent Rick Berg, the dominance of lobbying in Washington, just how bad Republicans had been when Bush43 was the President, how Democrats are pro-education, and the advantages of the new "Obamacare" health care and insurance reforms. She connected with individual voters every single day.

      Heidi's campaign gets "A+." Best of 2012.

      Outside efforts hit Berg for writing the amendment to the FAA budget Bill that enabled 30,000 private drones to fly over US soil. He had also said a couple things off the wall about the military. A second focus went to Berg's sorry performance as a landlord. As with all Republicans, it's easy to find people who like to talk and don't like them a bit.

      Give that effort a "B+." It might well have pulled her over the top, depressing GOP turnout.

      Final count: 50.5% to 49.5% for the Democratic victory.

      Pretty much all of what Heidi got for new votes came from poaching "Base" Republicans to vote for her. She already had the Democrats when she was down 30%.

      Taking the air out of GOP turnout is surprisingly easy. Give them something to be mad about.

      Serious study of that campaign should show you the way forward. And only $750,000 in total "late" money landed on that race -- which you might compare/contrast to what was happening with the Warren/Brown bloodletting in Massachusetts.

      Issues are nice. Solid emotional appeals win elections.

      "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Paul "False Prophet" Ryan von Koch

      by waterstreet2013 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:51:05 PM PDT

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      •  There was another emotional component to the (6+ / 0-)

        Heitkamp candidacy. She had been a much admired  (it's not too strong to say loved) Attorney General for two terms in the 90's. Fairly late in the 2000 campaign when she sought to move up to the Governor's office she was stricken with breast cancer. She continued to campaign but lost the race and stepped out of electoral politics until her brilliant and indefatigable winning effort in 2012.

        The people of North Dakota were happy to see Heidi back in action. She still had that flaming head of red hair, a healthy and hugely energetic presence, she was full of her signature good humor and straight talk and she seemed to be everywhere.  There'd been a real sense of sadness when she became ill and lost that race in 2000 and Heidi's return to seek a major office was cause for lots of good feelings all across the State. Women, especially, were delighted and excited by her candidacy. It was, indeed, an emotional campaign.

        Heidi also had a deep connection to both Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad, recently retired and widely admired Senators. She benefited from their participation in her campaign and her long time connection to them. On some level, Heidi made it possible to not let go entirely of Byron and Kent.

        The good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain, is floating in mid-air, until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. Jane Addams

        by Alice Olson on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:10:51 PM PDT

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    •  And especially in red states. (8+ / 0-)

      Most red states are red because Republicans have been so successful in limiting turnout.  And I'm not just talking about voter suppression.  Texas Republicans have managed to make apathy the defining feature of people outside the Republican base.

      29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:00:22 PM PDT

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    •  Hastert Rule (0+ / 0-)

      Most don't even know this rule: 'Majority of the Majority' even exists...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      The Hastert Rule, also known as the "majority of the majority" rule, is an informal governing principle used by Republican Speakers of the House of Representatives since the mid-1990s to maintain their speakerships[1] and limit the power of the minority party to bring bills up for a vote on the floor of the House.[2] Under the doctrine, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives will not allow a floor vote on a bill unless a majority of the majority party supports the bill.
      There are some bills worthy of support
      HR3118/S567(Strengthening Social Security Act of 2013) and
      HR1601/S2089(Supplemental Security Income Restoration Act of 2013/2014),
      but all these bills have NO Republican support, I know what a surprise.
      HR1601 and S2089 have slightly different names, otherwise they are identical.
  •  Dems need to promote info on the difference (15+ / 0-)

    We know GOP sucks because we pay attention.  Most folks don't.

    •  And we can't let the Republicans be the only ones (11+ / 0-)

      doing the comparisons. We'll get lots of Republicans crying about how Democrats are taking away "freedom". We need to push back, and hard, to show we're not taking away freedom but giving you opportunities. To get a job that pays the bills. To get health care. To marry who you want.

      GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:16:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Freedom to get an abortion (2+ / 0-)
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        Paragryne, waterstreet2013

        Republicans want to take that away. But I have never made another man pregnant. Freedom to have gay sex. Freedom to marry someone of the same gender. Freedom of a church to perform a same-sex marriage. Freedom to use the Evil Weed.

        Censorship is rogue government.

        by scott5js on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:07:34 PM PDT

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        •  Ah (2+ / 0-)
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          scott5js, Chi

          I'm not sure where you are coming from, but weed is not evil. This I know to be true.

        •  Tie abortion to the date-rape-drug explosion. (3+ / 0-)
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          redwagon, METAL TREK, OldDragon

          All over America parents are afraid of their teenage girls getting nailed by a chemically induced/enabled rape.

          Almost 1% of pregnant girls think they are still virgins. That's the rohypnol talking. (e + roofies) is the common cocktail.

          Love is great, but fear is more reliable. Fear of not being able to get an abortion if the kid gets (e + roofies) raped -- that's a dagger in the GOP's heart.

          "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Paul "False Prophet" Ryan von Koch

          by waterstreet2013 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:59:44 PM PDT

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          •  How about the criminal justice industry? (1+ / 0-)
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            waterstreet2013

            Isn't it too big? Isn't it a monstrosity? Why expand it any more by criminalizing abortion?

            Censorship is rogue government.

            by scott5js on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:19:01 PM PDT

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            •  "Defend your family !!" plays stronger (0+ / 0-)

              than abstract complaints related to enforcement of anti-abortion laws.

              Everybody knows, today, that their daughters can be drugged and raped. Ecstasy and rohypnol. E + roofies. Fxcked, preggers, and no memory to enable prosecution -- yeah, that's time for an abortion.

              "E" + "Roofies" = Date Rape.
              We Need Legal Abortion.
              Simple construction, eh?

              "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Paul "False Prophet" Ryan von Koch

              by waterstreet2013 on Thu May 01, 2014 at 03:54:01 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Read Dean Becker's book (0+ / 0-)

              It is entitled "To End the War on Drugs." You can find it on Amazon.
              Think of the War on Drugs as a model for what would happen if Roe v Wade is reversed and legislators criminalize abortion. We cannot afford to think of the abortion issue as an isolated issue.
              Dean is a diligent critic of the War on Drugs and he broadcasts on Pacifica station KPFT in Houston. Perhaps one reason for his interest is that he once served in the military police in the Air Force.

              Censorship is rogue government.

              by scott5js on Thu May 01, 2014 at 06:16:27 AM PDT

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  •  For who? (2+ / 0-)
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    greenbastard, Demi Moaned

    Or should I say "For whom?" if grammar demands . . ..

    I suspect that when they see that there's a meaningful alternative out there, they might do just that.

    •  The politics of contrast (3+ / 0-)

      At last, it seems like some Democrats in tight races are playing the politics of contrast, most notably Mark Begich in Alaska.

      Our ideas are actually popular. But will Democrats run on them? The track record is spotty.

      "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

      by Demi Moaned on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:10:07 PM PDT

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    •  For whom? For Democrats. (1+ / 0-)
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      METAL TREK

      Yeah I know they're far from perfect, but they are a "meaningful alternative" in ways too numerous to list.
      I don't know any sane woman who doesn't see the difference. I don't know any person of color who can't see the difference. Minimum wage. LGBT rights. Supreme Court nominees.
      Everybody here knows all of this, but it doesn't stop this "why bother" attitude from cropping up.

      I actually do tell some people that it's not worth voting cause everyone sucks. But I only tell that to Republicans.

  •  Winning them over will get them to the polls. (11+ / 0-)

    Fact is, many of the non-voters belong to disadvantaged and disaffected groups, who feel that Dem politicians are taking them for a ride in a "good cop / bad cop" routine with the GOP.

    Dems do need to win over these critical groups and gain their trust on the merits.

    •  So why the difference ... (12+ / 0-)

      between Presidential elections and mid-term elections? It cannot just be a lack of positive incentives in off-year elections, because it is a very regular pattern of larger turnouts in Presidential years.
      One reason I vote in every election is because when I was 14 I read a book by Dr. Douglas M. Kelley, psychiatrist at the Nuernberg trial. He had a chapter on what made each defendant tick and a final chapter on how our country can avoid a Third Reich. Three recommendations: Barriers to voting must be removed. People must vote. People must reject candidates who appeal to bigotry. Is avoiding a Third Reich a positive incentive to voting? Of course not: very negative.
      It is a reality that there are only 2 political parties for all practical purposes. I believe my interests and yours fit better into the Democratic Party. It is important to vote in primaries, give good people an incentive to run for office. Running for office is far more difficult than voting.

      Censorship is rogue government.

      by scott5js on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:02:16 PM PDT

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      •  Age is a big factor (8+ / 0-)

        And our electorate skews younger, which is good for the longer term, but a challenge for now.

        See this item over at digby's:

        Older people vote more often. They also watch more news programs and give more money to politicians. There's something about the routine rituals of democratic politics that appeal more to older people than young people. Maybe it's just that young people have other things to do and politics becomes a form of entertainment for us old duffers. I was a political junkie way back when I was young too and I blew off some midterms. It wasn't a protest, it was a lack of interest --- my congressional reps were usually incumbents who weren't in any danger and the state and local races were uninteresting. Ballot measures were what caught my eye most often in midterms. These days I'm one of the old people who no longer follows every musical trend or stays out late at clubs so I have even more time on my hands to think about politics, so I always vote. I know it's hard to believe when you're young, but your interests change a bit when you get older.

         I think getting young people to the polls to vote in midterms is always going to be a challenge. It's not that young people don't care --- it's just not a priority in off years.  

        "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

        by Demi Moaned on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:16:21 PM PDT

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        •  When I turned 21 (2+ / 0-)
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          I started voting. The voting age in 1962 was 21. I grew up hearing my Republican parents say they voted in every election and they usually did. I switched parties in 1967 but I kept on voting.
          Elections don't happen just every 4 years. Every year in my city of Houston. Not just when people feel like it. Elections happen as scheduled as law, sexy or not.
          I may be preaching to the choir, but hope my words will filter out into the great beyond.

          Censorship is rogue government.

          by scott5js on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:32:06 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Maybe it's because (5+ / 0-)
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        Assaf, hooper, scott5js, Chi, liberaldad2

        Folks do not know how our government works. The repubs have drilled it into their voters for the last 30 years that power lies in the House, Senate and the courts, not just the presidency.  Why our side doesn't see it, is way beyond me.  

        •  Funny enough, in 2001-2008 it was very clear that (0+ / 0-)

          power lied with the President, and the rest of the government Arms became de-facto rubber stamps.

          It's not about which Arm is stronger; it's about which political party is afraid of its base's wrath - and which is dismissive of its base, assuming it's in the back pocket "because the other side is always worse".

      •  Presidential elections are sexy Midterms aren't (2+ / 0-)
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        Presidential elections are all over every possible form of media, social and traditional,. front and center, night and day.

        Mid-terms are not because there isn't the unifying candidate to focus on.

        So the messaging often gets fractured, and what's important in one race isn't important in another, so people don't pay as much attention -- because they're not forced to.

        But that doesn't mean that there aren't national factors in play -- just that they don't get amplified like they do during the presidentials.

        What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

        by equern on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:55:04 PM PDT

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  •  I don't think the GOP understands... (8+ / 0-)

    ...that disenfranchisement has limited short term value (in raw numbers) and significant long term brand blowback.  They can only disenfranchise a relatively finite number of people.  To maintain long term party equilibrium at the polls, they're going to have to find a way to shave between 5 and 10% of likely Democratic Party voters off the rolls in the coming decade.  Even that might not be enough.

    I just don't see voter suppression happening to the extent that the GOP will need in order to maintain the status quo.  For example, there are almost 20 million people living in Florida.  How does even a voter fraud crackpot like Rick Scott purge enough voters off the roles to maintain long term GOP viability in the state?

    Short answer is, he doesn't.  Like Bill Clinton said, it's simple arithmetic.  There are more of us (and going to be even more of us) than there are of them.  Even off-year election results are going to start changing soon.  

    And Prince Reebus knows it.

  •  Need an effort to drive ppl to the polls (15+ / 0-)

    Especially in spanish speaking communities.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:23:57 AM PDT

  •  I guess people have short memories. (12+ / 0-)

    I'd think a central theme of all Dem campaigns would be reminding voters of the consequences of sitting out elections:

    "Remember 2010?
    Want THAT again?"

    Seems scary enough, but maybe that's just me.

    •  I think that (2+ / 0-)
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      corvo, claude

      the EXACT same message could be said by the voters TO the Democratic Party.

      Remember 2010? Want that again? If not, give us a reason to vote besides "but the Republicans are even worse..."

      •  Point taken, but... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        METAL TREK, jrand

        ...sometimes, "the Republicans are even worse" is enough.

        Or as Jack Paar put it back in 1964 (in a bit involving satiric campaign slogans), "Vote Democratic. Why trade a headache for an upset stomach?"

        Some things don't change much in 50 years, huh?

        •  I agree, (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          howabout

          but try making that argument to a "both parties are the same" non-voter. It just reinforces their decision not to participate.

          A MUCH better solution would be to push a message like "If you give us back the House we will accomplish X goal that will benefit the working class."

          •  Certainly, reaching non-voters... (1+ / 0-)
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            kingfishstew

            ...is always desirable, no matter the year. Beyond that, the Dems' dilemma seems to be keeping actual voters engaged in between presidential election years.  

            And you're right: there's no reason an "incentive" message can't be combined with a "warning" one. But I feel that this year in particular, the latter is equally useful, if not more so. Voters hear, "Vote for us, and we'll do this for you" every election year, so it's easy to ignore. If those who took 2010 off are  reminded how dissatisfied they were with the results of their apathy, they might be less likely to give in to it again.

            The lessons that hurt the most can also be the most effective.  

          •  What works around here (rural Michigan) (2+ / 0-)
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            Satya1, PlinytheWelder

            Is minimum wage, food stamps, healthcare, birth control, unemployment insurance and equal pay.

            Things that mean something in the lives of the poor rural community where I live. When I talk to these people I try to stay away from gun control and abortion, although I have strong feelings about those issues, they always sidetrack and undermine everything else.

      •  According to the excellent (imo) The Culture Code (3+ / 0-)

        the code for President in American politics is Moses...you have to promise to lead people to the promised land.  http://www.amazon.com/...

        Basically this means you have to give people something to believe in, something big.  

        Republicans sell The Good Old American Days.  Dems have to sell The Future.  It can't be all negative - fear of Republicans - it has to be more than that.

  •  Take a lesson from Albuquerque; we did it right (25+ / 0-)

    when we resoundingly voted down a loathsome anti-abortion ordinance last November. We built coalitions, we knocked on doors, we wrote letters to the editor, and even though we were outspent by I dunno how much - we defeated that ban by 60-40.

    Imo, building coalitions was key to our win. Also noteworthy - when the ABQ city council, which was Repub-dominated at that time, voted to prohibit the elections office from establishing a voting center in walking distance from Univ. of New Mexico (voter suppression much?) a group called Progress Now NM spearheaded a fundraising drive to hire shuttles to take UNM students to the nearest polling center.

    That's how it's done. We need to see this kind of local effort repeated across the country. The 2014 elections are too important to do any less.

    Oh btw - in that special election we also switched a city council seat from R to Dem. So the council is no longer R-dominated :)

    I don't love writing, but I love having written ~ Dorothy Parker // Visit my Handmade Gallery on Zibbet

    by jan4insight on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:43:40 AM PDT

    •  But you were motivated (0+ / 0-)

      What's to motivate the average voter to bother going to the polls and vote for a Democrat?

      Sure, WE know all the reasons. That's why we're here.

      But to the average low information voter???

      And lately, local elections have devolved into nothing more than mailbox stuffers.

      Wanna make me ANGRY?? Spam me with mailers.

      What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

      by equern on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:58:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  That's The Ticket! Get Up & Fight,Fight/Fight! (4+ / 0-)

    decent wages don't eliminate jobs. Republicans eliminate jobs; and workers, and prospects, and then excuse it all and call for more austerity. there is no end to their ignorant, arrogant avarice. only political dinosaurs support their treachery.

    by renzo capetti on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:59:01 AM PDT

  •  I'll say it again: (10+ / 0-)

    We have to drive home the message that it's the "little" elections that make the big differences in real people's lives.

    Set up against congress, state leges, county boards, city councils, etc., the president of the United States has remarkably little power.

    The message should be: if you want a say in the laws and rules that affect you, then you have to vote in the "unimportant" years.

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:04:13 PM PDT

    •  Yes, and you have to volunteer. Opinions don't (4+ / 0-)

      win elections.   Calling & canvassing do.

      •  It's boots on the ground, GOTV is everything (0+ / 0-)

        Howard Dean knew it, I know it, we all now know it. It isn't something you can improvise on election day, it's something you have to design, build, and staff. Then, when the big day is at hand, election day, you have to have your lists and volunteers ready. You have to get your voters to the polls. That is what wins close elections.

        Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is now 400ppm. That is "Climate Cluster Chaos". (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

        by Zinman on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:02:02 PM PDT

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  •  See that minimum wage vote the Senate took? (7+ / 0-)

    That's the Democrats' saving issue, at least in the Senate.  Reid needs to keep bringing it up for a new vote — as often as he can.  How many votes have House Republicans taken to repeal Obamacare?  Democrats in the Senate should do the exact same thing on the minimum wage, repeatedly, from now to the election. You don't make a political point with a single legislative vote.  You make your point with a pattern of committed action in support of a policy.  Democrats have a golden opportunity to do this on a political issue with widespread popular support and no political downside whatsoever.  

    In between each of these Senate votes, Democrats need to piss and moan — loudly and angrily, at every possible opportunity — about how vile and evil (note the anagram) Republicans are, and how Republicans are opposed to working Americans enjoying a decent standard of living.  

    You want to get Democrats to the polls?  There are plenty of other issues like this, which Democrats could and should use as clubs to bloody the Republicans at the polls.  There's your campaign.  It really isn't rocket science.  

    Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

    by Big River Bandido on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:06:15 PM PDT

  •  The problem is another recent poll indicated (6+ / 0-)

    over half of Americans don't feel either major party represents them and only 8% approve of Congress.
    The American people know both major parties serve the interests of the ruling class.

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:21:45 PM PDT

  •  The GOP takes from the poor and gives to the (3+ / 0-)
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    rich.  The GOP wants to take away your ObamaCare and doesn't care if that gets you or your children killed.  The GOP blocks raising the MINIMUM wage so the takers make bigger profits.  The GOP wants to wage endless wars all over the globe.  The GOP wants you to hate your own government so they can get their agenda done.

    Vote in November and let's fuck these fuckers up.

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:22:42 PM PDT

  •  Why do poor whites keep voting for the GOP? (1+ / 0-)
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    it blows my mind

    •  because it gives them what they want. (1+ / 0-)
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      Face it: Some of them vote "values" more than "pocketbook."

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:58:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  And hell, about half of that 21 on Hillary ... (0+ / 0-)

    Comes from here.

  •  Tea Party actually worse than -19% (0+ / 0-)

    If you notice, all of the others cited had close to 100% choosing one of the categories (97-100%, part of which may be due to round-off). The Tea Party apparently was only rated by 89% of respondents.

  •  Which is the very reason I wrote this diary (3+ / 0-)
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    @TheDemocrats help me promote #WalkUrPrecinctWeek.

    I'll be banging this particular drum all spring.

    I welcome any and all assistance in getting the word out.

    The 2nd week of July, August and September.

    Let's go old school and turn the political chattering class on its ear come November 5th.

    There are more of us, than there are of them.
    When we Vote, we Win!


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

    by Angie in WA State on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:53:24 PM PDT

  •  People are burned out on polls. (0+ / 0-)

    I know I am, and they don't determine how I vote.

    Through thoughts, words and actions, we live the truth we know. -- L. Spencer

    by orlbucfan on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:56:38 PM PDT

  •  As always, the problem is not (2+ / 0-)
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    that they have the Republicans to vote against. We all know that.

    The problem is that few of them have anyone to vote for. So of course a lot of them will stay home on Election Day.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 12:56:56 PM PDT

  •  Wanna get them to the polls? Have Democrats (3+ / 0-)
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    PhilJD, claude, hooper

    act like the 'party of the people' and not the 'other party of the oligarchy but isn't mean and hateful too'.

    Its really easy, if they really wanted to.

    But they don't....

    Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

    by fToRrEeEsSt on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:03:34 PM PDT

  •  Here's the bottom line: votes by income (1+ / 0-)
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    with vartical bars

    Democrats still lose way too many White votes in the lower income brackets. Those people end up voting for their enemies.

    Look at the chart and you see the ratios at Democrat:neutral:Republican like this:

    Under $20,000 = 57%:13%:30%.

    Then up to $35,000 = 53%:13%:34%

    Then up to $50,000 = 47%:13%:40%.

    The Whites are the ones voting irrationally. Blacks recognize their enemies and vote more like 90% Democratic.

    The aim should be to move Whites to 60%:20%:20% for the <$50,000 income voters.

    Eventually 80%:10%:10%.

    Of course most poor Whites see their problems accurately. The 30% to 40% in the graph are voting for their enemies. What else?

    "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Paul "False Prophet" Ryan von Koch

    by waterstreet2013 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:10:01 PM PDT

  •  I erally find it troubling that (0+ / 0-)

    Hillary is polling higher than Obama.

    Obama is dong a great job in site of all the obstruction.

  •  It would (1+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight

    help if the MSM helped us out.

  •  Gads, I agree with Cilizza: 2010 redux. We HAVE (1+ / 0-)
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    lady blair

    to get people voting, even if we have to put on the greatest acting job in history and pretend we like the Democrats we are getting them to vote for.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:47:26 PM PDT

  •  Sorry, Disagree -- STRONGLY (0+ / 0-)

    When you're combined favorables are an anemic 36%, how can you POSSIBLY say that "winning over the American people isn't our problem"???

    It IS our problem!

    Democratic efforts focused simply on GOTV are going to leave us in RUINOUS position in November.

    I DEEPLY resent this "conventional wisdom" because it paints the party into the SAME corner it finds itself during the mid-terms -- relying on people who don't really give a crap and cajoling them to go out and vote.

    Whereas if you take the OPPOSITE approach and actually GIVE PEOPLE A REASON to go to the polls, you motivate a tsunami to do it on their own.

    Reliance on GOTV puts the effort in the hands of the PARTY MACHINERY

    Reliance on MESSAGING puts the effort in the hands of the individual voters AND THEIR SUPPORTERS who now have a more effective stick to use to get people to the polls.

    I am VASTLY disappointed that Kos would ever say such a thing. I had some vestige of hope we'd be able to do better than conventional wisdom this election cycle given all the obstacles in our way.

    What we need is FRESH THINKING, not more of the "same old, same old."

    GOTV is important.

    MESSAGING is VITAL!

    What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

    by equern on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 01:50:01 PM PDT

  •  Tea-party-Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    The tea-party-and-Republicans.   That's the frame . . .never just say Republicans when you can qualify that term with "tea party."  Make 'em own that shit . .

  •  Stop It Kos!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight, T J Lewis

    I spent the whole day surfing the net until I was thoroughly confused about everything and then you come along and break it down into terms even I can understand.

    Its like I wasted my whole day.

    Collect Different Days

    by Homers24 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:23:14 PM PDT

  •  we need to figure out what will get American voter (1+ / 0-)
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    jrand

    off their asses on election day.

  •  yes. (1+ / 0-)
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    METAL TREK

    especially when it isn't that hard for abled bodied people to get to the polls. I mean people haul their butts all over town to the mall and back, trips to Seaworld, Disneyland, or Mardi Gras or Cancun and not to mention all the cruise lines and oh whatever.

    But vote? And it is usually in a place not too far from your home.

  •  Voting in the mid-term elections is (1+ / 0-)
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    METAL TREK

    key.  Most of us can see quite clearly the refusal of those on the right to steer the Ship on a level and even course, and the detriment to our progress if Republicans are elected and re-elected.

    From infrastructure repair, to immigration reform, to raising the minimum wage, the regression of women's rights over her own body, and to a host of social inequities, voting into office those in the Republican Party will continue to promote injustice and keep the Ship veered away from the course most of the American people want.

    And, that is the frustating part, most Americans do want a raise in the minimum wage, immigration reform, women to keep their reproductive rights, etc.  

    But, unless we show up at the voting booth in 2014 and again in 2016, we may see any gains we have already made go for naught.

  •  Democrats can offer free no hassle ID procurement (1+ / 0-)
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    METAL TREK

    for those states using ID for voter suppression.

  •  We need to give people a reason (2+ / 0-)
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    jrand, scottdc

    I like Mark Begich's example: he's running in a conservative state but he's not apologizing for being a Democrat.  He's running to the left of Obama on some issues, even.

    If the Democratic candidate reacts to uncertainty by pretending to be Republican-lite, that gives our base no reason to turn out, and there really aren't that many swing voters looking for someone half way between the parties.

    So we need Democrats pushing hard on economic issues and women's issues.  Wrap every bad vote around their necks.  Promise people that if the Democrats take both houses, the minimum wage is going up and the Republicans try to stop it the Democrats will override them, filibuster or no (either do it with reconciliation or get rid of what's left of the filibuster).  Run to win, not just to stay in one place.

    Candidates should embrace Obamacare and talk about making it better.  They should find people in their district who are getting care who weren't before, and demand to know why Republicans want to kick those people off of the health insurance rolls.  Wrap those repeal votes around their necks, and when people bring up real flaws (and there are plenty) say that while it can be improved the Republicans have no workable ideas.  On a local level, crush those people who rejected free Medicaid money from the feds.  What a stupid, insane thing to do.

  •  My mother said I shouldn't hate but, (0+ / 0-)

    it feels so good to read Kos's statement that allows me to say and admit that I too hate republicans. Sorry mom! I'm sick and tired of people who say both sides are just as bad. NOT TRUE!

  •  Dems (0+ / 0-)

    Perhaps the haters of the Republican party don't turn out for elections because they despair of the Democratic party.  The very thought of electoral politics depresses me.  I hate presidential elections, with all their phony debates and the rest of the circus.  They make me want to hide out alongside some Walden Pond until November arrives.  

  •  73 of 100 described themselves as "White?" (0+ / 0-)

    If the polling was 73% White and those are the results of the polled sentiment, Republicans are in serious trouble.

    The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

    by Pacifist on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:53:31 PM PDT

  •  GOTV! GOTV! GOTV! (0+ / 0-)

    That is all.

    "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

    by Bob Duck on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 11:15:55 PM PDT

  •  Hmm, getting people to vote? Here's something: (1+ / 0-)
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    Just make it easier. I guess we're not near online voting, but mail voting is amazing.

    Going to the polls is a hassle. Parking, crowds, lines. I skipped a lot of elections when I lived in a state without mail voting. I didn't have the time or energy, most of the time.

    That might sound alien to DKos posters, but the fact is that's just how most people are who might vote your way but aren't obsessive about politics. It just takes a back seat.

    California has full mail voting. I just look up stuff on my laptop on my couch, look at the ballot, fill it out, mail it. Victory. I voted without leaving the comfort of my couch. Except to go put it in the mailbox.

    I now vote on everything, because the election comes to me.

    Rousing speeches, appealing to the power of voting, ad campaigns. None of that stuff will ever be as effective as shoving the ballot at someone and say "Here, fucking vote and send it back. You got questions, just Google it."

    You want turn out? Don't try to fight the laziness of the Modern American.

    You will never win.

    Embrace it.

  •  so how bout dem Hillary numbers eh? (0+ / 0-)

    Warren not running. Maybe we can get Sanders as VP lol? (i can dream)

    "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

    by TheHalfrican on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:29:30 AM PDT

  •  Lets be clear; I don't hate Republicans. (0+ / 0-)

    I don't trust their leadership, and don't like the direction they want to take the country.  And I surely find their surogates (Palin, Fox, etc) distasteful.  But I don't hate Republicans; there's been too much of it floating around.  The less we promote emotionally-bases politicts, the better.

  •  YEAH? WELL MAYBE IF DEMOCRATS WOULD (0+ / 0-)

    JUST CARE ABOUT [my pet issue here] PEOPLE WOULDN'T STAY HOME!!!

    Non futuis apud Boston

    by kenlac on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:10:33 AM PDT

  •  please do not fall into this trap again (0+ / 0-)

    yes, people hate Republicons on the issues.

    but people DO NOT VOTE based on the issues.

    they vote their emotions, and their personal identifications.

    GOPropaganda has been very effective at manipulating their emotions and personal identifications away from Democrats.

    Our job is to reverse that.  And this year we have the personal stories to do it with, at least with respect to Ocare and the minimum wage.

    as Rachel showed last night, people agree overwhelmingly with each of the individual things the President is doing about Ukraine (do not send in arms, do not send in troops, increase economic sanctions), but when asked whether they approve of his handing of the situation in Ukraine only 33% agree.  Stirred up negative emotion and lack of personal identification is what explains the difference between those sets of numbers.

    if Dems want to win, we have to reach people at the emotional level and the personal identification level.

    those are the ONLY ways to motivate non-political junkies to make the personal sacrifice and effort it takes to vote, esp in an off year

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    DEMAND CREATES JOBS!!!
    Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights to talk about grief.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:59:10 AM PDT

  •  How to get Americans to vote (0+ / 0-)

    Take the money and revolving doors out of politics and give Americans veto power over all legislation.

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