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Governor Paul R. LePage and Education Commissioner Stephen Bowen.
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How far out of the mainstream is Maine Republican Gov. Paul LePage? This far:
Gov. Paul LePage has long cast a wide net for programs that he says fit the definition of welfare. On Wednesday, in a media release written as an alternative take on new personal-income data from the federal Bureau of Economic Analysis, he lumped Social Security and Medicare into that definition. […]

"It doesn't matter what liberals call these payments, it is welfare, pure and simple," LePage said in the statement. "Liberals from the White House all the way down to Democratic leadership in Augusta believe that redistribution of wealth—taking money from hard-working taxpayers and giving it to a growing number of welfare recipients—is personal income. It's not. It's just more welfare expansion. Democrats can obfuscate the numbers any way they want. The fact is that we have created thousands of jobs, more Mainers are working, and their income is going up."

That, challenger (and Daily Kos-endorsee) Rep. Mike Michaud rightly calls "an insult to Maine seniors."
"These two programs have helped to provide a secure retirement to thousands upon thousands of hard-working men and women who have earned them one paycheck at a time," Michaud said in a prepared statement. "They deserve much better than to have their monthly Social Security checks called 'welfare handouts.' The governor should be embarrassed that he ever suggested such a thing."
That would be assuming LePage is capable of being embarrassed by the ridiculous and harmful things that come out of his mouth. He's not. Maine deserves much, much better.

Please give $3 to help Mike Michaud give LePage the boot.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 12:25 PM PDT.

Also republished by Social Security Defenders and Daily Kos.

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  •  This is why I'm glad I live in a State w/Recall... (6+ / 0-)

    A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

    by falconer520 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 12:32:06 PM PDT

  •  Another reason I could never be a pol. (33+ / 0-)

    If I were running aginst him I would have said "If this idiot is too fucking stupid to understand that people receive Social Security benefits based on the amount of money they paid in over their life times he has no business running our state."

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 12:37:06 PM PDT

  •  LePage: "I have given up any hope of reelection." (14+ / 0-)

    Followed by rambling curses like "Cutler's failing me!" and "I'm losing to a gay man!" Culminating in a massive drunken belly-flop, upon which he soiled himself.

  •  Pft, And Asshat is a tag. TnR (1+ / 0-)
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    No one gets out alive

    .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 01:41:40 PM PDT

  •  He's right on the welfare angle, but wrong on it (3+ / 0-)
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    being a slur.

    Effectively, higher earners -- up to a point -- subsidize lower earners under the current system.  That wouldn't be too bad if it weren't for the fact that those higher-earners are capped at a decidedly middle class level that leaves truly high earners off the hook on most of their earnings.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 01:44:14 PM PDT

  •  I haven't followed this race but...seriously... (8+ / 0-)

    Does this guy even stand a chance of retaining his position??

    He's just a bucket load of crazy.

    Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

    by Morgan Sandlin on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 01:47:39 PM PDT

  •  Funny I'm pretty sure I'm paying for my SocSec (13+ / 0-)

    (or at least a good chunk of it).  this would be why they are called 'earned benefit' programs, no?

    But then we also pay for unemployment compensation in the form of lower immediate wages, and they call that 'welfare' too.  So no surprises.

  •  Shit for brains politicians (8+ / 0-)

    How in hell did someone who understands so little get elected to any office.

    I thought ass-wipes like LePage only haunted the deep south - especially Texas.

    •  Get west of the turnpike, away from salt water... (5+ / 0-)

      ...and this state is for all practical purposes Kentucky.

      The superfluous goods of the rich are necessary to the poor, and when you possess the superfluous you possess what is not yours." St. Augustine

      by Davis X Machina on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:03:30 PM PDT

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      •  Bit too simplistic.... (3+ / 0-)

        The house I know of with the hugest John Bircher signs is on the coast, and my area in the western hills has quite the aging hippy population ;-)

        So, a combination of a love of independent candidates (so LePage won a race with more than two candidates), lingering Republicanism from my great-grandfather's era (several people I know are that dying breed ~ family's been Republican sine the days of Lincoln, so they stay...), and so on..... politics can be strange ~ if only it didn't hurt so many people in real life :-(

        The worst sin - perhaps the only sin - passion can commit, is to be joyless. (Gaudy Night, Dorothy L. Sayers)

        by mayim on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 03:19:49 PM PDT

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        •  I can see Mt. Washington... or at least... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...one of the Presidentials, from the parking lot of my school.

          And it's pretty damn red -- 70-30 red -- over here.

          YMMV.

          The superfluous goods of the rich are necessary to the poor, and when you possess the superfluous you possess what is not yours." St. Augustine

          by Davis X Machina on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 04:00:11 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe 60/40 here... (2+ / 0-)

            but my town in the foothills of the White Mountains maybe be a bit of an oasis ;-)

            It's going to be an interesting dynamic, with Michaud running, as lots of the middle of the road traditional Republicans around here (at least the ones I know....) like him and don't like LePage ~ but they've never voted other than Republican for governor, so are feeling a real dilemma.

            I also know several people who, four years ago, voted for both LePage for governor and Michaud for US House.

            Actually, more than 60/40, I'd say in this area it's maybe 35% tea party style right wing, 35% Democratic, and 30% traditional New England Republican* ~ and elections are decided by who captures the traditional Republican votes.

            *Family has lived in the area since the Civil War or earlier, fiscally conservative, socially live and let live (in other words, may be quite traditional/conservative themselves in many ways, but willing to not worry about others or run their lives; may be fairly liberal religiously ~ members of Congregational and Universalist churches ~ but do go to church), and tending towards old-fashioned conservationist rather than modern environmentalist ~ in favor of the billboard ban and the environmental laws about building on lakefront property, OK with the bottle bill, want the woods and lakes to be maintained for hunting as much as anything. Tend to view the 'improve society' parts of the municipal budget (schools, libraries, town parks) much more favorably than the tea party types.
            It's late for this diary, and this is off-topic.... but I'm hosting my fifth annual meet-up here in a couple weeks, if anyone want to join us. Details at the linked diary.

            The worst sin - perhaps the only sin - passion can commit, is to be joyless. (Gaudy Night, Dorothy L. Sayers)

            by mayim on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 06:27:57 PM PDT

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    •  Don't Confuse What RW'ers Say w/ What They (1+ / 0-)
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      believe.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:23:41 PM PDT

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    •  He convinced other shit-for-brains that they sh... (3+ / 0-)

      He convinced other shit-for-brains that they should vote for him 'cause he' a just like them.

  •  Utah on track to end homelessness by 2015 (2+ / 0-)
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    Looks like someone in Utah can do the math.

    http://www.nationofchange.org/...

    When I cannot sing my heart. I can only speak my mind.

    by Unbozo on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 01:53:15 PM PDT

  •  and so is the MIC and the PIC among other things (1+ / 0-)
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    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 01:56:19 PM PDT

  •  3rd Rail and Then Some (3+ / 0-)
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    Seniors use healthcare and vote much more often than any other demographic group. More often than not they also tend to vote Republican. The rest of the population not so much, but they still favor Social Security and Medicare more often than not.. Not only will this depress the vote of chronic Republican voters who surely would otherwise be voting for him, it will flip some of them giving Dems a 2 for 1 in electoral math. Of all the dumb things this guy has done, this is the dumbest. He still has more time to step in it further, but this one can't be beat.

    Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and they make you king.... Dylan

    by bywaterbob on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 01:59:27 PM PDT

  •  Hell freezes over (3+ / 0-)

    I agree with Paul LePage: Public pensions and health care are most definitely considered part of the "welfare state," which is a neutral term in Europe, and was a neutral term here until the modern era.  But I guess all of us on the left are still running and screaming from the welfare slur, hence this diary.

    •  Yet another word to take back, eh? (4+ / 0-)

      After all, providing for the general welfare is literally in the constitution. The founders felt is so important that they put it there twice, once in the Preamble:

      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
      And once in the famous Article I, Section 8:

      Section. 8.

      The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
      Yes, I know, wingers claim that the founders meant something else, the overall well-being of the country, e.g. roads, schools, internal security, etc. All of which is true. But a country consists of people and not just infrastructure, and their welfare is obviously important too and the reason the overall welfare has to be taken care of. Over the centuries the understanding of that has evolved and expanded, but at bottom we're still talking about taking care of peoples' basic needs so they don't suffer or die needlessly. Anyone who doesn't get that or agree with it is an idiot or a creep, or both.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:37:17 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, no (4+ / 0-)

      Social insurance programs, like Social Security and Medicare, aren't the same as welfare programs. They are insurance programs--every worker pays in knowing that they'll get a return back when they retire.

      We're not in Europe, btw, and acknowledging that these programs are not welfare is not the same as denigrating welfare as it is understood in the U.S.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 03:21:19 PM PDT

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  •  LePage's Pension & Other Retirement Benefits (10+ / 0-)

    are welfare, the worthless asshole.

    If he was noble, he'd refuse them.

  •  He's not the first conservative asshole to state (2+ / 0-)
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    that Social Security is Welfare.  Jesse Helms of NC used to call Social Security "doles and handouts" in his commentaries for WRAL-TV in the 1960s.  Of course, WRAL never would OK the release of the video for public use, so any Democrat who wanted to publicize Helms' lies had to do it the hard way.  This meant that most of the seniors who Helms raised money from for his reelection campaigns never knew that he was calling them Welfare recipients.

  •  One would think that this man, (2+ / 0-)
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    eldest of 18 children, who left home at age 11 living hand to mouth and working his way through college and finally becoming an MBA businessman, would have more insight and compassion.  I guess not.

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:07:51 PM PDT

    •  Why should he? Compassion... (1+ / 0-)
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      a2nite

      ...and insight aren't all that common, among officials, the electorate, or people generally. Elsewise people of LePage's ilk would never see high office.

      Take St. Augustine, and the points. The fundamental depravity of mankind doesn't always win, but it always covers the spread.

      The superfluous goods of the rich are necessary to the poor, and when you possess the superfluous you possess what is not yours." St. Augustine

      by Davis X Machina on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:25:55 PM PDT

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  •  I've noticed that... (5+ / 0-)

    ...whenever someone narrowly defines something using the term "pure and simple," it is usually neither.

    So endith the trick.

    by itsjim on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:11:15 PM PDT

  •  A GUARANTEED INVESTIMENT (3+ / 0-)
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    Social Security is a guaranteed investment which you make in those older then yourself because they have made a similar investment in those older then themselves.  Those younger then you are making the same investment in you.  It has worked for nearly eighty years and will continue working as long as we believe in each other.  LaPage does not believe in us only in himself.  Sad man   !   How did he ever get elected?   I know 3-way race.   But, why more the 4 votes?

  •  Cool, then my SS check is not taxable income! (4+ / 0-)

    and talk about being taxed twice, the famous RW meme to excuse rich folks from paying taxes. I had income tax and payroll tax for decades and now I'm taxed again when I get some back. And if I ever pick up some paying work, taxed again. And if I get lucky ducky and earn too much, they reduce my SS check.

    "You are what you write, not what you look like."

    by PHScott on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:28:15 PM PDT

  •  Who's on Welfare (3+ / 0-)
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    That would be you governor after all you are living high on the hog at the expense of Maine taxpayers. The people on Social Security and Medicare paid into the programs all of there lives. The least you could do since you are living off them is to show some appreciation to them for what they have given you. Instead what they get is a Governor who is dumber than a box of rocks not much of a deal for them is it!

    Dogs and Philosophers do the greatest good and get the fewest rewards (Diogenes)

    by Out There on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:28:37 PM PDT

  •  Liar or idiot? I'm taking all bets... (3+ / 0-)
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    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:30:26 PM PDT

  •  Social Security is an insurance program (3+ / 0-)
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    drmah, concernedamerican, ditsylilg

    Unemployment Insurance is an insurance program
    Social Security Disability Insurance is an insurance program
    Medicare is an insurance program (excluding Part D which seniors and disabled people have to pay a private insurance company for - it's the model for Obamacare/ACA).

    Look them up in Wikipedia.

    Actually, Social Security and SSDI recipients continue to pay for Medicare (and separate Part D corporate prescription insurance) through death.  It is deducted from Social Security monies before being deposited in one's account.

    i.e.  We The People pay for our retirement (&/or disability) and Medicare..., and receiving either or both means we receive our EARNED BENEFITS [not free welfare money].

    Just like car insurance, life insurance, whatever insurance, we pay and pay and pay and pay..., whether we use these insurance programs we pay for or not.  Someone benefits..., but when it comes to Social Security and Medicare, it's most assuredly NOT Casino Wall Street or Corporate America - except for Medicare Part D [passed under the Bushista regime, remember], corporate prescription insurance... which came with the caveat "buy this insurance or else."  By the time Obamacare came along, that model became "buy this insurance or pay a $1000 fine."

    The BIG difference, of course, is that with Social Security and Medicare (excluding Part D, corporate prescription insurance) there are no corporate CEOs or bigwigs who receive obscene yearly bonuses with OUR money (except for Medicare Part D, prescription insurance, where our money goes straight to corporate coffers).

    The reserve Social Security trust fund has over a trillion dollars (or is it over $2T by now?) and without an infusion of money from rich bigwigs &/or a higher cap, by the time something like 2032 gets here we may have to take a cut in benefits, although it will NOT be broke by then.  (Obama's payroll tax suspension cut into Soc Sec reserve funding; that was a huge mistake and could make the reduction in benefits happen sooner).

    If LeGreedyBastard needs an explanation, I'm a senior citizen on Social Security and on Medicare and I'd be glad to explain it (at the decibel level of a shrewish woman).

    I have to assume that LeGreedyBastard is going to refuse to accept "welfare" when he becomes old enough to receive Social Security and/or Medicare and just not apply for his EARNED BENEFITS...???

    Hmmmmm...?

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:37:49 PM PDT

  •  It's called having a civilization. (6+ / 0-)

    You dumb ass.

    What has our nation become? When did ignorance become fashionable.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:42:37 PM PDT

    •  November/December 2000 (6+ / 0-)

      ... is when ignorance became fashionable.

      Election day November, and 12 December 2000 when SCOTUS appointed Dumbya.  2004 saw a questionable outcome in Ohio because they couldn't do a proper recount from e-voting machines which may or may not have been rigged.

      Then there was the election of 2008.  [Puh-leeze do not make me say their names, especially the VP candidate.  I want their names forgotten to history so never write them out if I can avoid it.]

      Then there were/are the moronic teahadists.  Uff da!

      It's now a greased slippery slope when it comes to electing the dumbest, most prejudicial, racist, rotten morons to political office.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 02:51:06 PM PDT

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    •  Before The Great Depression, senior care was (3+ / 0-)
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      called "begging or selling apples on the street corner to pay the doctor". After WW II Social Security is called "a safety net."

      It is not WELFARE, it is insurance. If Gov. LePage isn't forwarding the SS (tax) taken from his staff's paychecks into the Government's pool, he's breaking the law, which has a HUGE penalty.

      •  One of the saddest genealogy documents... (4+ / 0-)
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        ... I have in my collection is a copy of an admittance form of one immigrant gr-gr-grandfather to the poor house in Canandaigua, NY in the early 20th century (he was born in Alsace, emigrated in 1851; I have copies of his petition for citizenship and 1856 his naturalization record).  His son is the one who had him committed; on the next census he and his family were in a different location in NY, so likely gr-gr-gramps' health was frail enough that they couldn't move him with them.

        Every time I hear one of these dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks "politicians" rattle on about Soc Sec and/or Medicare being "entitlement" or "welfare" programs, my blood pressure rises to dangerous levels.  They have NO idea in the world what in the hell it used to mean when someone was on welfare and in the poor house before Social Security became a fact, then Medicare.

        Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...........

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 03:13:37 PM PDT

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        •  Oh, they know all right.... (1+ / 0-)
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          ....they think it's the just punishment for not becoming a millionaire during their careers.

          This is the landscape that we understand, -
          And till the principle of things takes root,
          How shall examples move us from our calm?

          (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

          by sagesource on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 04:26:42 AM PDT

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          •  Only, not everyone could BE a millionaire (0+ / 0-)

            If they were, there would be no serfs to do their dirty work.

            The ancestor who was admitted to the poor house was a blacksmith by trade/training, so he was by no means an unskilled laborer.  It takes skill to know how to work iron - actually, chemical skill, too, albeit that's not what they called it.  There's a YouTube about recreating a Viking sword called Ulfbert, and back in Viking days the blacksmiths were revered because they essentially took elements from the earth and made something utilitarian or ornamental from the earth.

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 01:34:59 PM PDT

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  •  ...and also sidewalks, libraries, (0+ / 0-)

    and firetrucks.

    More people die from alcohol every year than from guns, so let's compromise--We'll take away the guns and those assholes can shoot each other to death with alcohol!

    by The Gryffin on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 03:00:52 PM PDT

  •  Why We needed FACE law. (1+ / 0-)
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    Guess that the SCOTUS has forgotten why FACE passed in the mid-1990's and why it was necessary.  Suddenly, they think that the nation has gotten more civil and less polarized on the issue of a patient's right to FREEDOM OF ACCESS TO CLINIC ENTRANCES to family planning clinics given how civil the atmosphere has become to women getting their family planning needs met by the ACA.

    I remember the day back in the mid-1990's when John Salvi walked into a Planned Parenthood and murdered two young women working at the front desks.  

    I remember too working at Planned Parenthood in California as an NP being harassed, followed home, spit on, called "baby killer" and watching my patient's get their hair pulled, their front tires gutted when protesters with the most disgusting signs showed up to harrass and terrorize clinic patients, staff, doctors, nurses etc with the impostion of their relgious beliefs onto others.

    Murder, mayhem, terror, destruction of property, and harrassment of those who freely choose to go to family planning clinics is not protected speech.

    Given the gun totting crowd showing up at local restauarants this is going to get ugly real fast and a license to kill someone.

    SCOTUS- YOU suck on this decision and as far as I am concerned if someone gets killed you"re responsible.

    We needed FACE then and we still need it given the level of terrorism leveled at women and clinic staff on going and getting much worse.

  •  i will ask this question again (6+ / 0-)

    what the hell is wrong with the voters in america today have they lost their minds, common sense, and logic, or are some just so dam angry and mean they don't care until they are affected themselves of course, then the shoe is on the other foot.

    •  I'll take 'angry and mean' for 400, Alex. (3+ / 0-)
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      The superfluous goods of the rich are necessary to the poor, and when you possess the superfluous you possess what is not yours." St. Augustine

      by Davis X Machina on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 04:01:54 PM PDT

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    •  I have a more hopeful take on it. (0+ / 0-)

      In the "good old days," people could vote for a well-spoken, courtly gentleman and still be assured that he believed in keeping the n***s in their place. He didn't have to say it in so many words.

      Now, our society has advanced by all of a half-inch or so, and the hateful have to proclaim their ideas clearly, rather than being able to assume they are generally shared.

      This is the landscape that we understand, -
      And till the principle of things takes root,
      How shall examples move us from our calm?

      (Mary Oliver, "Beyond the Snow Belt.")

      by sagesource on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 04:32:49 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  he should read the constitution........ (3+ / 0-)

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare....

  •  Actually...he's... (0+ / 0-)

    right that both programs are welfare. The only problem is that if they were both gone...what would Congress raid to pay that welfare to the ones paying their bribes? Plus...if the old age welfare is so big and bad...why do so many Baggers start throwing a fit when their leaders start getting rid of their gravy train? They love their welfare when they're sticking it to others...but heaven forbid if anyone else gets it. This being the case...let's rewrite the law and anyone who rails against it is taken off the role. This way...they can have their cake and eat it too. Don't want others to have it...they can't have it either. Want to support people wanting to cut your throat...you can face the music with them.

  •  Dear Mr LePage (3+ / 0-)
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    I PAID out of every single paycheck for my Social Security. Don't you even THINK about trying to take it away from me

    Biden/Warren 2016

    by artr2 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 03:53:52 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, time for those lazy seniors to come out (1+ / 0-)
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    of retirement and get jobs!

    And get a haircut, Gramps!

    Feel trickled on yet?

    by War4Sale on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 03:55:40 PM PDT

  •  The demonization of the term "welfare" (4+ / 0-)

    Social Security and Medicare are government programs that provide for the welfare of the public. That shouldn't be controversial.

    LePage is using the Republican Party standard of demonizing the term "welfare." The appropriate response should be to challenge the demonization of welfare.

    But I don't expect that response from Democrats any time soon.

  •  ... until he reaches eligibility age, (2+ / 0-)
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    AlexcSinger, drmah

    then he, and only he, will be worthy.

    How in the world did this man get elected?

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 04:03:03 PM PDT

  •  It's like these assho...I mean Republicans want... (2+ / 0-)
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    ditsylilg, No one gets out alive

    It's like these assho...I mean Republicans want people to vote against them. I honestly never understood how someone could be this big of a doofus and have people vote for him. Says more about the supporters I suppose.

    Please hurry November!

  •  Maine governor (1+ / 0-)
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    ditsylilg

    Well the majority of Maine voters who voted got what they voted for.  Time for a change I think.   Biggest complaint for republicans about SS is this.  SS must use any excess cash to buy US treasuries.  So all the unused money has been lent to the government which is why they complain that it is costing the nation a lot.

    Gee did they expect to borrow at zero interest as they allow the giant bank holding companies to do?

    •  Actually... (1+ / 0-)
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      drmah

      he was elected with 39% of the vote in a multi-candidate race (three major candidates, with an independent coming in second and the Democratic candidate third).

      So a majority of Mainers (61% ~ have a bumper sticker with that...) did not vote for him.

      The worst sin - perhaps the only sin - passion can commit, is to be joyless. (Gaudy Night, Dorothy L. Sayers)

      by mayim on Thu Jun 26, 2014 at 06:33:24 PM PDT

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  •  The Koch Brothers will never play Vegas.. (1+ / 0-)
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    Nautical Knots

    with a ventriloquist dummy that looks like that!

  •  My "welfare" (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    Nobody is giving me anything.  I'm paying for it.  Every two weeks.  In cash.

  •  LePage is the kind of man who would sell his own (0+ / 0-)

    Grandmother for a buck.

  •  Please refund me all my money then you basterd (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Somebody tell Ralph Cutler (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sure he doesn't give a shit, though.

    Just like the original (spit).

  •  GOP wants to end SS and Medicare. Extra, Extra (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    Read all about it! They say they don't need it so why should anyone else? That money is need for tax relief for the wealthy.

  •  Just think (0+ / 0-)

    All these right wing people are on the way out

  •  Republicans across the country have (1+ / 0-)
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    No one gets out alive

    been spouting the same nonsense, yet they keep getting elected.  Many of the recipients of SS and Medicare, who are seniors, continue to vote for people like LePage.

    Are these people not aware the republicans are talking about them?  

  •  The folks of Maine voted for him, ergo they (0+ / 0-)

    are stupid! QED.

    Can we tell them they are now honorary Southern CSA?
    Or is that not PC??

  •  They're Batcrap Crazy! (0+ / 0-)

    This is why Republicans are F***ING NUTS! Doesn't he know that Social Security is an Investment taken out of your hard-earned paycheck for Years? What in hell is wrong with these people? Are they insane?

  •  ME-Sen: "Moderate" Repug Collins' response; hint: (0+ / 0-)

    Don't hold your breath,

    as further detailed in these Dkos posts.

  •  OMG! (0+ / 0-)

    Remember back when we used to put people that were this far out of touch with reality in mental institutions for their own protection against themselves.

  •  The Beans of Egypt Maine (0+ / 0-)

    If you can't fix stupid does that mean the Republican party will always be broken?

    by gypsyrose on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 05:41:46 AM PDT

  •  Maine should have runoff elections. (1+ / 0-)
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    No one gets out alive

    There is much to bemoan about the politics of my home state, Georgia. But one thing we do right is: if no candidate gets 50%+1 vote in the general election, then the top 2 go to a runoff. If you're going to hold office in GA, then you have to be elected by an actual majority. (Of people who bother to vote, at least.)

    If Maine had runoffs, LePage would never have been governor in the first place.

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 06:00:02 AM PDT

  •  He is right - they are welfare (1+ / 0-)
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    debris54

    welfare - the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group

    it is both big W welfare as it is a government program and little w welfare.

    I believe our government has a duty to promote the welfare of the people and I am proud to support its efforts to do so. I am ashamed of the government when it instead promotes poverty and exploitation.

  •  Welfare Is (2+ / 0-)
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    No one gets out alive, debris54

    Welfare is where a society understands that capitalism systematically creates unemployment at a certain rate and because of that provides people who are out of work the money to survive even if they are not employed.

    That's welfare. We don't have any welfare in the U.S.

    Social Security and Medicare are transfer payments that are part of the private sector of the economy. They are a form of minimum wage. They require employers to pay the complete cost of the labor they use, not just while they those workers are working but also when they can't work because they are disabled or too old.

    We need to be absolutely clear on what these programs are precisely because people like Paul LePage will try to distort their purpose. Our purpose is to protect workers from abuse by employers. Medicare and Social Security do exactly that.

    It sounds like Paul LePage is on the side of abusing workers. Is that what he's really saying?

  •  Social Security and Medicare are piles of money (1+ / 0-)
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    debris54

    poor people made and rich people want.

    Child forgotten in car? -- Use open source E-Z Baby Saver -- Andrew Pelham, 11yo inventor E-Z Baby Saver

    by 88kathy on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:00:33 AM PDT

  •  Well, Yes (1+ / 0-)
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    debris54

    They ARE welfare.  Get over your fear of that word. These programs are for the welfare (well-being) of the people. Us. We pay into it collectively, and it is available for qualified recipients. Public education, the highway system, police and fire departments, government itself -- all funded by the people, for the common good, with those taxpayer dollars distributed according to specific guidelines. To address the "I paid for it" declaration: Well, who do you think paid for our former welfare programs? Over 80% of recipients were enabled to quit welfare for jobs within 5 years, earning wages, working their way up, paying taxes, effectively repaying all the aid they had received.  Their family members -- children, parents, siblings -- all paid into the system as well. That said (and to the "I paid for it!" crowd): Add up how much you, personally, paid into Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. How long could you survive, following retirement or disability, on only that amount of money?

  •  Turn the LePage (0+ / 0-)

    Apparently LePage must not be taking any pay as governor. For, if he is he is taking money from those very "hard working" folks he claims to be protecting. I asked for a photo of him with both feet in his mouth. But the response was he would have to pull his head out of his posterior for the photo.

  •  I think LePage (1+ / 0-)
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    debris54

    like all modern republicans is just plain fed up with democracy.  It just doesn't work that well for them and oligarchy is the wine that oozes from the pores of the fatted neocon.

  •  Twisted Logic (1+ / 0-)
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    debris54

    By LePage's twisted logic, savings accounts, dividends and trust funds are welfare...oh, wait...private sector welfare, so that's okay.  How does he feel about government bonds?

  •  Someone should (0+ / 0-)

    literally kick the man's arse. I think a little violence is the only thing these gas bags are going to understand. Actually they won't understand. They have lied to themselves and everyone else to the point they believe the nonsense they spout. The problem is they are hurting people, they don't care, and they are not going to stop until we stop them. We need to do that soon because they are hurting too many men, women, elderly, vets, and children. Come to think of it they are hurting everyone but themselves and their like. I don't care (like they don't care) how we go about it but they have got to be stopped. They have no values, they are less than human. What do they deserve? Not passion, that is for sure. They would join the Nazi sickos if times were different.

  •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

    So, what do you suppose he calls taking money from hard working Americans and giving it to corporations?  Highly doubtful he calls that welfare, only when it's going to the average person, who by the way actually paid into SS and Medicare, but 25% of corporations that get hand outs out of our taxpayer money actually paid no federal taxes at all, so in my mind they are the true welfare recipients.

  •  Humm? let me check my Payroll check ?? (0+ / 0-)

    Yep the little boxes are still there .

    The ones that say Social Security Tax , Workers Comp and Federal income tax.

    Guess that proves the Rep is a big fat liar !!!

    We really need to reverse the flow of redistribution of middle class wealth to the Top 1% and stop handing out Corporate Welfare like it was a  platinum credit card  

    We have put up with this trickle down BS for 3 decades now and know for a fact it fails...

  •  Pay Structure (0+ / 0-)

    Change all public officials to receive only the median wage of their electorate and then we'll start seeing what's welfare and what' not.

  •  The Shawshank Desecration (0+ / 0-)

    There's surely a vacant cell available in Shawshank Prison for Maine's Governor.

  •  LePage (0+ / 0-)

    WHAT a moron! I see no difference between SS and my 401(k) except that SS was a mandated program - Thank God! - and my 401(k) was voluntary. They are both investment retirement accounts that I happily paid into.

    The RETURNS from both help me a great deal......AND I find the "new" nomenclature referring to my SS returns as a "benefit" insulting. I worked, I paid in.....the RETURNS are mine, they are not being "given" to me anymore than the returns from the 401(k). are.

    Most of the folks I have met from Maine always struck me as practical, hard working people. HOW did they ever vote this fool in?

  •  Heart of Darkness (0+ / 0-)

    Social security was supposed to be a locked-box deal, as Gore once said.  The Republicans are as guilty as the Democrats for borrowing the old folks money.

    Now this horses ass, Col. Kurtz-LePage, filled with false rage, is shoveling shit in the face of not thousands of seniors, as Michaud claims, but to millions and millions of hard working Americans, who paid or pay into a system that is not welfare.  He simply dosn't want to pay back the money he and his politician pals, stole from us, the working people.

    It is a savings account that we Joes/Josephines pay into, sometimes for up to 45 years!  It is the average persons pension, in a country where pensions are like a fart in a mitten; they disappear whenever politicians put their hands in them. And something always stinks.

    I have been to Maine.  I have met many fine people of Maine. I have drunk the water in Maine.  It was clear and clean.   I have never drank the Kool-aid in Maine. LePage did. Bad stuff.  Filled with chemicals that will rot your brain.  Worse than drugs, I tell you.

    This hatred, which hides behind well-spoken words, and pits brother against brother, is the dark part of humanity.

    I do know that, if any elected public official had said this before 1980, they would likely be out in the next election.   This used to be uncouth.  Where is the national outrage from all level-headed Editorialists?

    To the shorty's comin up; this guy is tripping.  He is the guy who will steal your stuff and tell you it was his.  He is the guy from the other neighborhood who cruises in your's, doing drive-byes.

    Beware of the person who tells you he is protecting you from your brother.  I do not need protection from my brother.  I love my brother.

  •  President Eisenhower on SS (0+ / 0-)

    President Eisenhower asserted that any politician  who attempted to undo SS would be doomed and rightly so.

  •  Governor (0+ / 0-)

    Many medicare recipients are hard working tax payers too.  They have reached a certain age and gleefully got rid of their insurance companies with all their efforts to deny claims for a fairer system.  Social Security recipients have been paying into the system all their working lives.  Now they are getting some of that money back.  Where do you come off insulting all of these hard working people with you ignorant derision?

  •  next he'll be saying that payouts from our savings (0+ / 0-)

    accounts or insurance distributions are 'welfare'.  Anything to reap what others have sown.

  •  Vote this walking fart machine OUT already (0+ / 0-)

    Maine needs to seriously LeTurn the LePage.

  •  LePage is only crying "welfare dependency" (0+ / 0-)

    to hide his own addictions - to corporate money handouts for example.  LePage's addiction goes beyond dependency to obsession.  

  •  Please, Maine Democrats... (0+ / 0-)

    do NOT stay home this time!  That's how Maine got this asshat in the first place.  (My parents, who live in Maine and are Democrats, did vote, and were thoroughly embarrassed and humiliated when LePage won the election.  And my parents are seniors - in their 70s - who receive monthly SS checks as well as my dad's pension from his 40 years as a practicing physician.)  I have been considering moving back to Maine - where I partly grew up - but I absolutely refuse to do so until Mike Michaud is in the Governor's Mansion in Augusta.

    That's how serious I am about this.  LePage is a wart on the ass of Maine state politics.

  •  Social Security (0+ / 0-)

    No, Governor Retard, Social Security and Medicare are insurance. You know, as in "pay the premium throughout your working life and someday, if you live long enough, you'll collect."

  •  How in the hell could the people of Maine (0+ / 0-)

    have elected this out of touch a*hole?

  •  I think you hit the nail! (0+ / 0-)

    That they are simply incapable of embarrassment. That is the answer to many questions I had.

    And the wind whispers Mary...

    by okpkpkp on Sat Jun 28, 2014 at 08:32:28 PM PDT

  •  Why is it that the Republicans decided... (0+ / 0-)

    to show the rest of the world just how incredibly stupid and ignorant they can be?

    Do they think that people will feel sorry for them and vote for them?

    I swear, my dog understands Social Security and Medicare better than most Republicans.

    By the way, as far as I'm concerned, the Republicans in Congress have taken money from hard working taxpayers and not given us anything in return.

    THEY MUST BE ON WELFARE!

  •  Welfare (0+ / 0-)

    Dear Paul. F**k you

  •  All the while... (0+ / 0-)

    this Lepage idiot is living off our tax dollars.

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    by JohnnieZ on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 07:52:28 AM PDT

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